Superbikes on Speed channel
Jim
very misleading title indeed. Anyway this is a show about moronic
stunters. Well anyway the host and a bunch of idiots are on their way
to a stunt competition and while they are riding there on the highway
they are doing high speed wheelie's in traffic while the host states
"I never ride like this on public roads while wearing improper safety
gear(Tee shirts no helmets) and you should not either" although they
continue with their idiotic behavior. These idiots give us a bad
name. I was hoping one of those guys would flip the bike and take out
20 or so T shirt wearing riders behind them. These stuntas just beg
for attention. Maybe their mommies didn't give them any growing up.
TroytheTroll
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>I just got Speed channel and there is a show called "Superbikes". A
> very misleading title indeed. Anyway this is a show about moronic
> stunters.
Yeah, some of us were similarly disappointed.
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com
>I just got Speed channel and there is a show called "Superbikes".
The guy that hosts the show is Jason Britton. I think he lives in Huntington
Beach.
He has his own blog so maybe you can tell him directly how you feel about his
show.
It won't bother him, he has a sponsor and some of the dealerships like Del
Amo are recognizing that there is big money in catering to asshole stuntas.
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>
>For someone who enjoys the performance aspects of modern sportbikes on
>public roads to accuse "stuntas" of being responsible for our bad
>reputation is just mildly hypocritical.
If I told you that I am a safe, responsible rider who has never intentionally
done a wheelie or stoppie on the street, nor ever spun a donut or done a
burnout, you would either call me "sanctimonious" or accuse me of having "no
balls".
I got interested in sportbikes and roadracing from reading an article about
European GP by Gordon Jennings in Road&Track. My intent has always been to
sport tour on an aerodynamic motorcycle.
>The lack of our collective discretion seems to be the problem.
I have repeatedly explained how the motorcycle magazine fed the problem by
testing their own race bikes on public roads and how their magazine articles
about the Rock Store scene led to the problems of 20 years ago when Senator
Danforth wanted to outlaw sportbikes.
>No one would give two shits about "stuntas" if they practiced their craft out
>on lonely farm roads.
You think the farmers won't do something about it? You think if the stuntas
and drag racers make a habit of gathering in one place, the police won't show
up?
I saw that happen in various places 20 years ago. The heat came down and the
streetracers got tired of being chased from place to place.
The police and the local car clubs organized 1/8th mile drag races and got a
lot of street racers off the public roads. Drag racers could run their
motorcycles as often as their turn came around, there were no elimination
runs.
>It's the showboat clowns doing it on busy public highways that draws
>the heat. But the same can be said for nuts who think the same
>highways are built to high speed test their latest crotch rockets.
Like I said above, I don't do that, I go out on Saturdays or Sundays to do a
sport tour.
The old time outlaw biker clubs (I don't mean Hells Angels and other criminal
gangs) were interested in going out on long club runs to a lake or to the
desert or to the mountains. When they got there, they would party, get drunk,
swap women, and have fun.
On the way to the party, some riders would break out of the pack and screw
around, doing wheelies and speed runs, but most just stayed in formation.
The Mexican and Black stunta clubs that Jason Britton is interviewing
ignorantly organize their clubs along the lines of the old time outlaw bikers.
Coming from a street gang background, it's what they know, it's what they
think a motorcycle club should be all about.
Unfortunately, they are riding *our* style of motorcycle, instead of a Harley
or a
metric cruiser.
They wear vests and have club patches like "Ruff Rydahs" and "L.A. Cockies".
Stunta clubs have presidents and sergeants-at-arms and chaplains and new
members have to learn the history of the outlaw club (such as it may be) and
learn who their cult "heroes" were.
IOW, new members are *prospects* just like somebody trying to get into the
Hells Angels. But there is no real screening out process, the club members
believe in "equality" and having fun, and if the new member seems to be a
"fun" type, he's going to be a gang member.
When Jim S. says that the stuntas or giving us a bad name, he's right. The
public cannot tell *us* from the stunta gangs.
Jason Britton did report that there is an association of stunta gang
presidents who have met and analyzed the problem of having too many stuntas
squirreling around in the public view.
The spokesman for the President's Association said that the presidents told
their club members that they should get a motorcycle drivers license and that
they should be insured and wear safety gear.
But the spokesman also said that he had no authority to make a stunta do
anything.
In that episode, Jason Britton went on a ride with the stuntas and they were
chased out of every parking lot where they tried to gather to screw around.
They finally went to the parking lot where Britton's office is located.
Britton has also interviewed the East Bay Rats, an Oakland stunta club of
tattooed bare knuckle fighters and stuntas.
I posted a link to their club website last year, but nobody responded.
To compare a safe and responsible sport touring rider like me to stuntas and
claim that I might be "hypocritical" is ridiculous.
TroytheTroll
> For someone who enjoys the performance aspects of modern sportbikes on
> public roads to accuse "stuntas" of being responsible for our bad
> reputation is just mildly hypocritical.
But also perhaps highly accurate?
Vaughn
I disagree.
The tried and true legal standards all bear a common theme (e.g. "in
plain view," "brought in bad faith," "salutory neglect."), which is
that shit in the eye of the beholder is gonna make trouble.
Taking a sportbike out into a relatively isolated location and
speeding past a few farms along the nicely ridged corners is really
quite different from cruising the strip on a chromed out R1 doing
stunts and antics at stoplights around pedestrians.
Risk management and discretion are the better parts of valor.
TroytheTroll
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> On Nov 4, 11:03 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > For someone who enjoys the performance aspects of modern sportbikes on
>> > public roads to accuse "stuntas" of being responsible for our bad
>> > reputation is just mildly hypocritical.
>>
>> But also perhaps highly accurate?
>
> I disagree.
>
> speeding past a few farms along the nicely ridged corners is really
> quite different from cruising the strip on a chromed out R1 doing
> stunts and antics at stoplights around pedestrians.
Thats why we think stunna's are nitwits giving us a bad name.
>
> Risk management and discretion are the better parts of valor.
>
Stunna's doing wheelies in traffic don't know much about either. And still
piss off the civilians who don't mind us getting clipped with $3000 fines
and noise ordinances and all the rest of it.
Battleax
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I would suggest that sportbike group rides, which we all take part in, give
us an equally bad name. Six bikes out on a run, passing cars at what's
usually a fair pace make more drivers shake their heads than stunters
because there's more of us. First rider breezes by the car, usually with the
second rider right on his tail. Third rider wants to keep up so passes close
to a corner, next several pass hard so as not to get left behind. By this
time the driver is usually not happy, and some start blocking the passes,
making things worse.
Drivers see no difference in someone wheeling on the freeway and someone
passing them at 80mph.
TroytheTroll
>>> Risk management and discretion are the better parts of valor.
>>>
>>
>> Stunna's doing wheelies in traffic don't know much about either. And
>> still piss off the civilians who don't mind us getting clipped with $3000
>> fines and noise ordinances and all the rest of it.
>
> I would suggest that sportbike group rides, which we all take part in,
> give us an equally bad name.
I stopped riding with others quite some time ago, but you are quite right.
I've been blitzed on backroads by these very groups and been left just
shaking my head.
> Drivers see no difference in someone wheeling on the freeway and someone
> passing them at 80mph.
80mph? Must be slow roads where you live.
Jamin
> On Nov 4, 10:58 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
> wrote:
>
>> The spokesman for the President's Association said that the presidents told
>> their club members that they should get a motorcycle drivers license and that
>> they should be insured and wear safety gear.
>>
>> But the spokesman also said that he had no authority to make a stunta do
>> anything.
>
> True dat. He can't stop SuperK from riding 180 mph on Florida
> highways or stop me from slaloming down winding West Virginia
> mountainsides either.
>
No, but the club prez could pass a club rule that says in order to be a club
member you have to have a motorcycle license or endorsement. Likewise the
clubs could make rules about requiring insurance and safety gear to go on
club-sponsored rides.
I bet the club officers really don't want to get too involved in what laws
their club members follow.
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>
>What is the definition of "sport touring?"
Sport touring is when you get on your powerful fast motorcycle and ride to a
place where you can relax and pound your abalone. Then you ride back home in
the same style.
Sportriding is when you go out and ride like a fool with a pack of other
fools and you only stop for gasoline and a smoke break and then you rush back
home to
watch a football game
>
>Well maybe if they regularly brought out a parking lot full of people
>to do wheelies in front of their combines, but I go out in the country
>and carve corners and pop wheelies most every weekend and no one seems
>to mind.
The farmers around here would call the cops if a bunch of sportriders stopped
and hung around their property. The farmers would figure that the sportriders
were planning to come back and steal their brass and copper pipes and
fittings at night.
>If you are riding above posted speed limits you are breaking the law
>as much as someone lofting their front tire or spinning their rear
>one.
No, riding 10 mph over the speed limit is NOT the same thing as a display of
speed or power. When streetracers gather to do shit like that, the cops will
come out and impound their motorcycles.
>I love people like them. They know how to have fun.
Yes, the old time outlaw clubs did know how to have fun, but they discouraged
squirrels from joining. Stuntas are squirrels.
>Yeah, I've meet a bunch of them. A former black coworker and I used
>to party at their clubhouses from time to time. Most of their bikes
>were old and the majority didn't ride sportbikes, but they were
>typically much more inclusive of their fellow riders than your typical
>overextended cracker trying to buy "cool" at the Harley store on a
>Saturday afternoon.
You don't know a "cracker" from a coon-ass.
"Cracker" is a word you shouldn't use when talking to a "cracker" if you have
no idea what it means. Ah'm aye crackin' bonnie auld stories.
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"Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote in message
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> saddlebag wrote:
>
>
> "Cracker" is a word you shouldn't use when talking to a "cracker" if you
> have
> no idea what it means. Ah'm aye crackin' bonnie auld stories.
>
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Hmmm. Saddle lives in the midwest, you live on west coast.
Thinking.....
Yep, Saddle knows more about "cracker" that you.
And BTW, "Cracker" is an amazing Texas bar band. See Camper Van Beethevon,
(sp?)
"I brought you warm beer in a plastic cup, in the parking lot of the Show
Boat Casino Hotel"
"What the world needs now is another folk singer, like I need another hole
in my head.
What the world needs now is another Frank Sinatra, so I can get you in bed."
"That's not a real Cadillac, its an Olds 98 spray painted black, with fake
leather seats from Juarez."
Never mind, no one knows Cracker, like I know Cracker.
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com
>And BTW, "Cracker" is an amazing Texas bar band. See Camper Van Beethevon,
M is for mullet
O is for the Oil they put in your truck
T is for T-bird,
T is for wing-ed lizard
H is for Haggard
E is for eggs
R and is for...
Redneck
From what I've seen of Cracker's lyrics, they are clueless about their
heritage.
They've totally lost it.
But that's to be expected. Crackers have been kicked around for centuries.
Listen Tae The Teacher
He's five year auld, he's aff tae the schuil
Fermer's bairn wi a pincil an a rule
His teacher scoffs whan he says "hoose"
" The word is house, you silly little goose"
He tells his ma whan he gits back
He saw a "mouse" in an auld cairt track
His faither lauchs fae the stackyaird dyke
"Yon's a MOOSE ye daft wee tyke"
Owerwird:
Listen tae the teacher, dinna say dinna
Listen tae the teacher, dinna say hoose
Listen tae the teacher, ye canna say maunna
Listen tae the teacher, ye maunna say moose
He bit his lip an shut his mooth
Whit ane coud he trust for truith
He teuk his burden ower the hill
Tae auld gray Geordy o the mill
"An did thay mock thoo for thee tongue
Wi thaim sae auld an ye sae young?
Thay warna makkin a fuil o ye
Thay war makkin a fuil o thaimsels ye see"
Say hoose tae the faither, house tae the teacher
Moose tae the fermer, mouse tae the preacher
Whan yer young it's weel for you
Tae "do in Rome as Romans do"
But whan ye growe an ye are auld
Ye needna dae as ye are tauld
Dinna trim yer tongue tae suit yon dame
That scorns the langage o her hame
Than teacher thocht that he wis fine
He keepit in stap, he steyed in line
Faither says that he wis grand
He spak his ain tongue like a man
An whan he growed an made his chyce
He chose his Scots, his native vyce
An A chairge ye tae dae likewice
Spurn yon puir misguidit cries
Bob Nixon
Jim, this week it was mostly about Bonneville Speed runs. IOW, not
squidly at all.
Bob Nixon.
JamesR. Walker
give us an equally bad name. Six bikes out on a run, passing cars at
what's usually a fair pace make more drivers shake their heads than
his tail. Third rider wants to keep up so passes close to a corner, next
several pass hard so as not to get left behind. By this time the driver
is usually not happy, and some start blocking the passes, making things
worse.
Drivers see no difference in someone wheeling on the freeway and someone
passing them at 80mph.
yeah, i can dig it. buddies & i were passing 10 bikes at a time on the
BRP,somewhere NC. kinda pissed me off because freaken bikers wouldnt
get over so we could pass in same lane. they made us go in left lane
across double yellow line to pass.
Battleax
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Well you have no right to pass in the same lane and nobody has an obligation
to let you. Groups of tailgating cruisers are a fact of life and it's your
responsibility to get around them safely. Double yellow lines don't
necessarily mean it's unsafe to pass.
You just have to learn to squeeze yourself into the group of cruisers till
the next passing opportunity.
There's definitely an art to getting by cruiser groups
TroytheTroll
> BRP,somewhere NC. kinda pissed me off because freaken bikers wouldnt
> get over so we could pass in same lane. they made us go in left lane
> across double yellow line to pass.
>
BBBBWWAAHHHAAHHAAAA!!!
Good one....
Alexey
Not sure if it was a rerun, but I caught a glimpse of the episode
about this year's GP races at Laguna. As if I didn't know how lame
that show was by then, this one drove the point home. They were
hanging out at the most amazing road race event in the US, with people
from all over the world, incredible racing, incredible bikes, and all
they could focus on was umbrella girls, some very limited freestyle
jumps (limited because they were confined to a very small area), more
umbrella girls, people parking their sportbikes on Cannery rd in town
(I guess they felt they needed to make it look more like a Harley
rally). And finally, when they were showing the segment about Roland
Sands' bike that he built for Kenny Roberts, they showed Sands talking
about how much he enjoyed making it for KR and how much he respected
him and just as KR opened his mouth, that was the end of the segment.
I believe KR was also the only person from the actual GP scene to even
make it into the show. I can't be sure, as I couldn't bear to watch
it any longer after this point, but I'm sure there was more extensive
coverage of umbrella girls that I missed.
D
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I watched a complete episode of Squids! once. It was the NYC episode. I
just don't know what to say. I hate it, but maybe some good will come out
of it. Maybe it will legitimize stuntas in the public eye and in turn all
sportbikers. If not, maybe us normal folk won't look so bad when compared
to the stuntas. Just trying to see the positive in it all. That lame Epic
Rides was a big disappointment too.
TroytheTroll
> just don't know what to say. I hate it, but maybe some good will come out
> of it. Maybe it will legitimize stuntas in the public eye and in turn all
> sportbikers.
And this might be possible how? They'll all de-tattoo themselves, plug up
the piercings, stop being jackasses in public, and find another hobby which
doesn't involve motorcycles?
As long as sportbikes get tagged with a "cool" label, I'm thinking idiot
stunna's will still ride them.
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com
>Not sure if it was a rerun, but I caught a glimpse of the episode
>about this year's GP races at Laguna. As if I didn't know how lame
>that show was by then, this one drove the point home.
I watched the episode and wanted to hurl. I attended the first superbike
races at Laguna Seca in the mid-1970's, when only "true believers" even knew
about the sport of motorcycle roadracing.
By the mid-1980's, the party animals had found out about how Laguna Seca was
the west coast version of Daytona, and they partied all weekend and they did
wheelies and burnouts in the infield and the access roads.
The next year, the officials invited the would-be stunters to do their
wheelies and burnouts on the race course in front of the grandstands, but got
almost no response.
If the race promoters allowed stuntas to do their thing on the race track now,
someone would certainly kill themselves for the glory of doing their thing in
front of everybody.
New "true beliefs" are always evolving, and those companies that provide the
means of expression of these beliefs to the stuntas are making mega$$$$$.
And, aren't mega$$$$$ proof of success?
JamesR. Walker
Why not? i get over for faster bikes.
Groups of tailgating cruisers are a fact of life and it's your
responsibility to get around them safely. Double yellow lines don't
necessarily mean it's unsafe to pass..........
Ain't that the truth. BRP is about 90% double yellow line. either
pass on DYL or your in for a long ride.
You just have to learn to squeeze yourself into the group of cruisers
till the next passing opportunity.
There's definitely an art to getting by cruiser groups..........
Amen bro.
D
>> I watched a complete episode of Squids! once. It was the NYC episode. I
>> just don't know what to say. I hate it, but maybe some good will come
>> out of it. Maybe it will legitimize stuntas in the public eye and in
>> turn all sportbikers.
>
> And this might be possible how? They'll all de-tattoo themselves, plug up
> the piercings, stop being jackasses in public, and find another hobby
> which doesn't involve motorcycles?
TV they start to go along with it. If they start to accept stuntas, then
how can they not accept sportbikes as a whole? But I don't even know who
their intended audience is. Probably jr stunta wannabes, so nevermind,
forget it. I guess a show about middle aged guys riding sportbikes
responsibly is just too boring. But hell, they have shows about people
FISHING.
> As long as sportbikes get tagged with a "cool" label, I'm thinking idiot
> stunna's will still ride them.
If they did those stunts on trials bikes, would they (stuntas, et al) still
think they're cool?
TroytheTroll
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> "TroytheTroll" <f4_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> I watched a complete episode of Squids! once. It was the NYC episode.
>>> I just don't know what to say. I hate it, but maybe some good will come
>>> out of it. Maybe it will legitimize stuntas in the public eye and in
>>> turn all sportbikers.
>>
>> And this might be possible how? They'll all de-tattoo themselves, plug up
>> the piercings, stop being jackasses in public, and find another hobby
>> which doesn't involve motorcycles?
> I dunno. I just think if people are bombarded long enough with something
> on TV they start to go along with it. If they start to accept stuntas,
> then how can they not accept sportbikes as a whole?
Easy, they will vote for idiot politicians who will ban the type of bike
because they can't pick out the characteristics on what makes responsible
riders responsible and others idiot stunna's. So they'll nail the brand of
bike.
> But I don't even know who their intended audience is.
Chics. Other testosterone ladden youths with as low an IQ as theirs. The guy
who's daddy bought him a Vette for high school graduation...can't afford
it..so they buy something faster just to "show'im".
>> As long as sportbikes get tagged with a "cool" label, I'm thinking idiot
>> stunna's will still ride them.
>
> If they did those stunts on trials bikes, would they (stuntas, et al)
> still think they're cool?
Effectively, what they try and imitate...poorly and usually incompetently,
is trials riding. But because you can't impress chics at the local "trials
riding" track, you blow it off, buy a sportbike, and do it in traffic.
And no, if you can't do it to irritate the general public, it isn't cool.
>
>
D
All this reminds me of an article a few months ago in one of the moto rags.
It was about a squid-turned-racer that used to run from the cops just about
daily. They glamorized the kid when he really should have been prosecuted.
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com
>If they did those stunts on trials bikes, would they (stuntas, et al) still
>think they're cool?
When AMA superbike racing was at Pomona about 12 years ago, there was a
trials bike demonstration. It didn't receive a lot of attention.
Trials bikes are ridden by "true believers" who have been interested in the
core sports of motorcycle trials, desert, enduro, motocross, flat track,
speedway, road racing, TT, etc.
The Black and Mexican clubs that are getting into stunting have NO experience
in the core sports of motorcycle competition.
They are coming from a drag racing/street racing/gangbanging/drug abusing
background and they are getting onto sportbikes because they have a lot of
cheap performance.
Motocross racing got screwed up by the US promoters within the first few
years after they started organizing races here.
Motocross is supposed to be raced on *natural terrain*, whatever type that
may be in the region.
Natural terrain for southern California would be the Mojave desert. But the
promoters of the California Motosports Club had seen motocross racing in
Europe, where it's wet and muddy and they thought they had to have mud holes.
After one season with those guys, I said, "Fuck that shit. I don't want to
spend my time scraping mud off the motorcycle just to maintain it." So I went
desert racing.
The next misdirection motocross took was unnatural piled up triple jumps and
barrel turns.
Then the promoters started stadium motocross to drag tens of thousands of
fans in.
Now motocross bikes are being jumped "free style".
When a promoter gets ahold of anything, it will always be degraded to the
lowest moronic denominator.
If I ever figure out a novel new sport, I will keep it secret, so it won't be
perverted for $$$$.
Alexey
I'm hoping to build a new kind of bicycle: downhill road racer.
That's right, wider tires, a fairing, tall gearing. If it picks up,
I'm sure it'll get bastardized, but for now, no one's doing it as far
as I know.
Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com
>I'm hoping to build a new kind of bicycle: downhill road racer.
>That's right, wider tires, a fairing, tall gearing. If it picks up,
>I'm sure it'll get bastardized, but for now, no one's doing it as far
>as I know.
Yes, this has been done. I saw it on TV. The bike had hydraulic forks
from a morcycle. There was some sort of mechanism that lowered the
seat to get the rider as low as possible as I recall.