Is their a scientific explanation why shaft drives can't wheelie??
rebotco
rotational forces or something?
Jim Tiberio
"rebotco" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
> rotational forces or something?
>
torque on the shaft and twist or snap it.
Andrew
: rotational forces or something?
:
:
yup.
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Chris Stumpf
>I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
>rotational forces or something?
>
>
Idiot! Ever see a car at the drag strip pull the front wheels? Cars are
shaft drive and they can wheelie with enough power. I used to have a 1983
Honda V65 Magna. That thing would wheelie on just throttle. Actually had to
work to keep the front end down and it was shaft drive. Shaft drive
motorcycles not being able to wheelie is some stupid made up shit to cause
arguements because someone was bored. Kinda like the story about it being
impossible for a bumble bee to fly due to aerodynamics or some shit. Despite
the so called scientific reasons why it is not possible, bumble bees do
indeed fly and shaft drive motorcycles do wheelie.
Gary
>
> I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
> rotational forces or something?
I have no problem getting the front end of my V65 Sabre off the ground
at any speed below 60mph. Riding a wheelie is another story though. My
brother can do it on the Sabre, but I can't.
Gary
'92 FZR1000
'84 V65 Sabre
WorkTOG
wheelie.
Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
phenomenon, or *maybe* do a bit of google group searching.
Hold on theback brake on a chain driven bike, and note what happens.
The back end squats. Try it on a shaftie - the back end *rises*,
compressing the forks.
Rather in the way the bath water rotates the opposite way when
draining, this phenomenon ought to be reversed in the Southern
Hemisphere, but as shafties don't wheelie there either, nobody can be
certain.
It has been suggested that shafties can wheelie on the equator, where
the forces cancel each other out, but nobody's conducted a scientific
test. In theory the back end would just stay put, but when Spagforth
did an unofficial test, during Empire Trials of their shaft-drive
Imperator in 1938, in what is now Tanzania, the test team reported
that the front wheel did in fact lift off the ground for a moment or
two.
However, this has also been attributed to the wheel hitting a snake on
the road, so believe what you will.
The sad thing is that the Imperator was never put into production and
the only prototype was in such a poor state after the Empire Trials
(an ill-advised attempt was made to see if palm oil would be a
satisfactory lubricant) that it was not rebuilt before the outbreak of
war, and then, of course, the factory was bombed.
I'd love to see somebody locate the remnants of the Imperator (if they
weren't melted down to make Spitfires) and try and recreate the
Equatorial test. It would settle this fascinating argument once and
for all.[1]
But, in the meantime and the absence of any such tests - shafties
don't wheelie.
[1] Does anyone know what happened to this machine, in the end?
X-posted to reeky because I know there are a few Spagforth fans there.
Jack Hunt
wrote:
>Gary <"the_g_man"@(nospam)excel.net> wrote in message news:<uqskhdb...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> rebotco wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
>> > rotational forces or something?
>>
>> I have no problem getting the front end of my V65 Sabre off the ground
>> at any speed below 60mph. Riding a wheelie is another story though. My
>> brother can do it on the Sabre, but I can't.
>>
>See other posting. Sabres are chain-driven, which is why they can
>wheelie.
A brilliantly composed response is unfortunately negated by an error
in the opening line.
Unlike the interloper Shadow Sabre, the V65 Sabre is indeed shaft
drive. Horribly ugly, but still a shaftie.
--
Road Dog
M. J. Freeman
news:q9atqus3knokrl8n9...@4ax.com:
And as we all know, shafties can't wheelie.
Hell, the whole reason Honda made the Interceptor a chain drive was
so it could pull a wheelie in the infamous "One Wheel to Victory"[1]
TV ads.
[1] obvious rip-off of the classic Spagthorpe "More Wheels Than
Brains" ad campaign
'85 VF700S "The Leper"
--
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mike_f...@mac.com_noSpam Cincinnati, OH
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Brent Evered
"WorkTOG" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
>
Brilliant explanation. Answers so many questions!
However, I am now able to wheelie my CB900 Custom shaftie. I dismantled the
transmission, and reversed the disraeli gears.
Very simple, inexpensive, and actually improved my gas consumption better
than the magnets on my tank bag.
Try it. its worth it.
brent
The ObsoElitist, Paul Calman
> news:a0258999.02101...@posting.google.com...
> > Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
> > phenomenon, or *maybe* do a bit of google group searching. etc etc:
> >
This may answer the dilemma of the Rokon Trail Breaker.
This bike has both wheels driven by chain, but won't do a backwards wheelie
as there are jackshafts involved in the forward drive system.
--
Paul Calman, the ObsoElitist, Hathaway Pines, California
MrDancer
> rotational forces or something?
Geez, can't you keep this silly stuff over on reeky (rec.motorcycles)?
a.m.s is getting enough goofiness to it already.
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Kaybearjr
>I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
rotational forces or something?
Nobody told my buddy Lazlo that his Gold Wing couldn't wheelie, just before he
mono-wheeled through a plate glass window...
Jack Hunt
<obsoe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "WorkTOG" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:a0258999.02101...@posting.google.com...
>> > Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
>> > phenomenon, or *maybe* do a bit of google group searching. etc etc:
>> >
>
>This may answer the dilemma of the Rokon Trail Breaker.
>This bike has both wheels driven by chain, but won't do a backwards wheelie
>as there are jackshafts involved in the forward drive system.
My nephew has one of those. It won't wheelie but it will do a
vertical climb. It can't flip over backward because the same shaft
effect that keeps it from doing a wheelie also keeps the front wheel
on the ground.
You can ride it down a vertical cliff because it won't stoppie either.
You can, I can't. But wait till I get the video camera running before
you try. One of these days I'm going to win that $10,000.
--
Road Dog
Andrew
"Jack Hunt" <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: On 17 Oct 2002 04:26:13 -0700, chateau...@btinternet.com (WorkTOG)
:
his other error is thinking that chain drive bikes squat under load.
Put the front wheel up against a wall and give it a little gas. Notice the
rear end of a chain drive bike gets higher under the load.
Cam Penner
says...
> his other error is thinking that chain drive bikes squat under load.
> Put the front wheel up against a wall and give it a little gas. Notice the
> rear end of a chain drive bike gets higher under the load.
Had he said ACCELERATION, he may have been more correct, as that allows
for the weight transfer to the rear to combat the chain climb.
--
Cam
'89 RZ 350
M. MacDonald
Go to the very bottom of this page http://www.hot.ee/nowhere/gw1.html and
look at the 1500cc unicycle, er, Gold Wing doing a pipe dragger.
I've seen some BMW's wheeling around too (not that anyone would dare call
their CHP commander 'bout it).
[groan...another myth]
Mack
The Older Gentleman
> A brilliantly composed response is unfortunately negated by an error
> in the opening line.
>
> Unlike the interloper Shadow Sabre, the V65 Sabre is indeed shaft
> drive.
Jack, Jack - I didn't expect to hook *you* with that stinky bait.
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S. Hunter
northbound in Chicago last year. I didn't know what the bike was until he came next to me.
Timberwoof
chateau...@btinternet.com (WorkTOG) wrote:
> > rebotco wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
> > > rotational forces or something?
See the FAQ.
--
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a motorcycle faq: http://www.infernosoft.com/timberwoof/motorcycle/faq.shtml
XS11E
news:3DAEF524...@umd.umich.edu:
> Then someone please explain how I saw a Suzuki Intruder 800
> wheelie. He was behind me on I-94 northbound in Chicago last year.
> I didn't know what the bike was until he came next to me.
Musta been one of the very rare chain drive Intruders that Suzuki built
They built very few and they are hard to recognize as Suzuki made the
chain guard so that it closely resembled the shaft drive housing.
Troy the Troll
do with
> rotational forces or something?
BBWWWAAHHAAHHAAAA!!!
Moron...or a troll....
The Older Gentleman
> Then someone please explain how I saw a Suzuki Intruder 800 wheelie. He
> was behind me on I-94 northbound in Chicago last year. I didn't know what
> the bike was until he came next to me.
See XS1100E's reply - the Intruder has a chain inside what looks like a
shaft drive housing.
The Older Gentleman
> In article <a0258999.02101...@posting.google.com>,
> chateau...@btinternet.com (WorkTOG) wrote:
>
> > > rebotco wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
> > > > rotational forces or something?
>
> See the FAQ.
Um, get your attributions sorted out.
Jack Hunt
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> A brilliantly composed response is unfortunately negated by an error
>> in the opening line.
>>
>> Unlike the interloper Shadow Sabre, the V65 Sabre is indeed shaft
>> drive.
>
>Jack, Jack - I didn't expect to hook *you* with that stinky bait.
But you claimed the Sabre was chain drive, which it isn't. Nobody
really knows if the shaft drive Sabre can wheelie because nobody can
stand to look at one long enough to find out.
--
Road Dog
The Older Gentleman
Well, this is true. Of course, the Sabre has gear prinary drive, which
cancels out the non-wheelie effect of the hidden chain drive.
Buzz
but no.
I wheelie my Shadow Aero 1100. First gear only, but still it lifts about 16"
and I can probably keep it there for 20' to 30'. I will have to practice
shifting while up. If there are enough request, I will get pictures of
this.:-)
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Timberwoof
XS11E
news:timberwoof.spam-46...@typhoon.sonic.net:
> My Honda Civic is shaft-drive, and it can't wheelie.
Funny, my Winnebago is shaft drive and I'm sure it can, I'll have to
try it? But it won't countersteer.
D Whitehorn-Umphres
> rotational forces or something?
>
>
Yamaha Seca Turbo could be wheelied. In fact, it was difficult not to do so
until you got used to the turbo kicking in all at once.
-dawu DoD#0366
Charles Soto
> My Honda Civic is shaft-drive, and it can't wheelie.
You should get the belt-drive CVT version, then...
Charles
(it's hybrid-lectric, too!)
--
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("Meepmeep" is "rr," as in "roadrunner.")
Buteo Lagopus
68.6.19.6:
LOL! For a split second, when you drive your Winnebago over a cliff, yes,
you will wheelie.
Tim & Kathy Morrow
>
> Well I read the whole thread to see if someone was going to answer for me,
> but no.
>
> I wheelie my Shadow Aero 1100. First gear only, but still it lifts about 16"
> and I can probably keep it there for 20' to 30'. I will have to practice
> shifting while up. If there are enough request, I will get pictures of
> this.:-)
Pictures can be (and have been) faked. Are you sure that what seems
like a wheelie to you isn't actually the rear end digging down deep into
the pavement (the patented "pavement-rippling torque" effect)?
Tim
Bruce Richmond
> > "WorkTOG" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:a0258999.02101...@posting.google.com...
> > > Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
> > > phenomenon, or *maybe* do a bit of google group searching. etc etc:
> > >
>
> This may answer the dilemma of the Rokon Trail Breaker.
> This bike has both wheels driven by chain, but won't do a backwards wheelie
> as there are jackshafts involved in the forward drive system.
It's just as well. You probably couldn't steer it going backwards
anyway. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration built a
"safety" motorcycle back in the 70's that steered with the rear wheel.
Nobody could ride the thing. I'm not making this up. Sometimes
reality is funnier than the trolls around here ;-)
Timberwoof
XS11E <xs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Doesn't it have a kitchen in the driver's area?
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Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
"The opposite of hardware is not easyware."
Gary Stephenson
> >> rebotco wrote:
> >> >
> >> > rotational forces or something?
> >>
> >> at any speed below 60mph. Riding a wheelie is another story though. My
> >> brother can do it on the Sabre, but I can't.
> >>
> >See other posting. Sabres are chain-driven, which is why they can
> >wheelie.
>
> in the opening line.
>
> Unlike the interloper Shadow Sabre, the V65 Sabre is indeed shaft
>
> Road Dog
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-)
Gary
'92 FZR1000
'84 V65 Sabre
Tim Kreitz
> rotational forces or something?
Lamest troll I've seen in quite a while. But what the heck, I'll bite.
If shafties can't wheelie, how do you explain this:
http://www.timkreitz.com/photosection/shaftiewheelie.jpg
For those who are interested in such things, at one time or another
scientists have conclusively proven that bumblebees are
aerodynamically incapable of flight, and that a human being will die
if he/she travels faster than 60 mph. So take the so-called "evidence"
on the impossibility of shaft-drive wheelies for what it's
worth...nothing.
Cheers,
Tim Kreitz
2000 ZX6R
1992 ZX600
AMA #481284
DoD #2184
http://www.timkreitz.com
-----------------------
"I make no apologies for any inconsistencies or contradictions in my
essays. Those who do not change their opinions over the course of a
decade have probably stopped thinking all together."
The Older Gentleman
> I wheelie my Shadow Aero 1100. First gear only, but still it lifts about
> 16" and I can probably keep it there for 20' to 30'.
You obviously didn't read the Spagforth tale closely enough. Unless you
live on the Equator, I seriously doubt your bike wheelies.
Kevin Moran
WorkTOG wrote:
> Gary <"the_g_man"@(nospam)excel.net> wrote in message news:<uqskhdb...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>>rebotco wrote:
>>
>>>I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
>>>rotational forces or something?
>>>
>>I have no problem getting the front end of my V65 Sabre off the ground
>>at any speed below 60mph. Riding a wheelie is another story though. My
>>brother can do it on the Sabre, but I can't.
>>
>>
> See other posting. Sabres are chain-driven, which is why they can
> wheelie.
>
> Suggest you read about the Coriolis Effect for full explanation of the
> phenomenon, or *maybe* do a bit of google group searching.
>
I got a V65 Sabre to wheelie once, but it took some work. I had to take my cat,
attach a piece of buttered toast to it's back, and then zip-tied the
whole assembly to the shaftie's front fender. Thanks to the
anti-gravity effect from combining the butter-side-down rule and the
cat-landing-on-it's feet rule, with the proper amount of butter, the
bike would wheelie.
Of course, with BMW's you need 2 cats.
Kevin
Jack Hunt
<"the_g_man"@(nospam)excel.net> wrote:
>Jack Hunt wrote:
>>
>> Unlike the interloper Shadow Sabre, the V65 Sabre is indeed shaft
>> drive. Horribly ugly, but still a shaftie.
>>
>> --
>> Road Dog
>
>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :-)
Ugh, I'd hate to have a Sabre stuck in my eye...
--
Road Dog
WorkTOG
Mungebucket, who headed this amazing collection of talent, only died
last year. His flat cap has pride of place as an exhibit in the
Spagforth museum. If you're ever in England, you must pay it a visit.
It's in Oswaldtwistle, behind the gasworks)
Anyway, Spagforth had experienced problems with torque reaction while
testing their supercharged Stabismus racer just after the war, in
1946. That, too, was shaft-driven. By gearing the oil filter canister
(a converted gas-mask, believe it or not - materials were in short
supply then) to rotate in the opposite direction to the crankshaft,
they were able to prevent the annoying habit the thing had of rotating
about its longitudinal axis whenever it took off on a hump-back
bridge.
They discovered, at the same time, that this cancelled out the
Coriolis effect and allowed the Strabismus, under certain
circumstances, to wheelie. However, when they changed the op end from
side-valve to overhead camshaft, it steadfastly refused to wheelie.
They discovered that the rotational forces of the camchain offset the
cancelled-out torque reaction.
So that's why a Gold Wing can, under some circumstances, wheelie a
tiny amount: because it has belt drive to the camshafts, and therefore
generates exactly the same kind of rotational counter-stress (for want
of a better expression).
BMWs also have a short chain drive to the high-mounted cams, and older
BMWs have a timing chain at the front of the engine. In both these
motors, *just* enough counter-force is generated to allow the front
end to skip slightly over road imperfections, but fell-blown
wheelies??? I think not. The same applies to the Wing. All photos
purporting to show shaft-driven B<MWs wheelieing have turned out to be
fakes.
All pictures
BMWs,
Demetrius XXIV and the Gladiators
<kmmoran...@rcn.com> wrote:
>Of course, with BMW's you need 2 cats.
Feckin' enviro-nazis!
If I wanted German pussy with my motorcycles I'd go to Dusseldorf.
Viragonut
>wheelie??
Check out ride carolina.com stunt show
not fake photos
fnord
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fnord
to give you 200k+ miles for a reasonable price.
Once the CVT goes, you can't find a shop that'll repair it for anything less
than a mint.
A friend of mine just went through this with his Civic. In the end he
dropped in a VTEC from an Acura and a 5-speed and it ended up being cheaper
than replacing the CVT.
fnord
"Charles Soto" <cs...@austin.meepmeep.com> wrote in message
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Brutus
news:<aomo4f$pskq$1...@hades.csu.net>...
> > Gee, didn't know they couldn't.
> >
> > Go to the very bottom of this page http://www.hot.ee/nowhere/gw1.html
and
> > look at the 1500cc unicycle, er, Gold Wing doing a pipe dragger.
> >
> > I've seen some BMW's wheeling around too (not that anyone would dare
call
> > their CHP commander 'bout it).
> >
> > [groan...another myth]
> >
> Well, once again Im afraid the Spagforth research team (Arthur
> Mungebucket, who headed this amazing collection of talent, only died
> last year. His flat cap has pride of place as an exhibit in the
> Spagforth museum. If you're ever in England, you must pay it a visit.
> It's in Oswaldtwistle, behind the gasworks)
Is this part of the infamous Spagforth Triangle?
> Anyway, Spagforth had experienced problems with torque reaction while
> testing their supercharged Stabismus racer just after the war, in
> 1946. That, too, was shaft-driven. By gearing the oil filter canister
> (a converted gas-mask, believe it or not - materials were in short
> supply then) to rotate in the opposite direction to the crankshaft,
> they were able to prevent the annoying habit the thing had of rotating
> about its longitudinal axis whenever it took off on a hump-back
> bridge.
>
> They discovered, at the same time, that this cancelled out the
> Coriolis effect and allowed the Strabismus, under certain
> circumstances, to wheelie. However, when they changed the op end from
> side-valve to overhead camshaft, it steadfastly refused to wheelie.
> They discovered that the rotational forces of the camchain offset the
> cancelled-out torque reaction.
Now we're getting somewhere...
> So that's why a Gold Wing can, under some circumstances, wheelie a
> tiny amount: because it has belt drive to the camshafts, and therefore
> generates exactly the same kind of rotational counter-stress (for want
> of a better expression).
>
> BMWs also have a short chain drive to the high-mounted cams, and older
> BMWs have a timing chain at the front of the engine. In both these
> motors, *just* enough counter-force is generated to allow the front
> end to skip slightly over road imperfections, but fell-blown
> wheelies??? I think not. The same applies to the Wing. All photos
> purporting to show shaft-driven B<MWs wheelieing have turned out to be
> fakes.
>
> All pictures
Thanks for the eductive clarification...
The Older Gentleman
> Is this part of the infamous Spagforth Triangle?
You've been there! Did you see the display of pipe tobacco tins?
Battleax
"WorkTOG" <chateau...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
spew snipped
> X-posted to reeky because I know there are a few Spagforth fans there.
And now we're flooded with rec.moto idiots.
"Spagforth"??? You can't even spell your own jokes, lol.
B
Wendell Gunderson-Ogelthorpe
> Well, once again Im afraid the Spagforth research team
"Spagforth"? Why, this sounds like a trademark infringement to me. I
shall have to notify Royal Barrister Alaistair Bannister, our company
solicitor!
> (Arthur
> Mungebucket, who headed this amazing collection of talent, only died
> last year.
"Arthur Munglebucket"? Now if anyone could detect a fake name, that
would be me. This is clearly an invention. Why, I bet they don't even
have a web site.
> Anyway, Spagforth had experienced problems with torque reaction while
> testing their supercharged Stabismus racer just after the war
Now this is margiannly funny. If you don't know what strabismus is, look
it up in a dictionary. (Hint: it has nothing to do with Pepto Bismol.)
> All photos
> purporting to show shaft-driven B<MWs wheelieing have turned out to be
> fakes.
This has been hashed and rehashed. IIRC, there's an Adoobie Frodoshop
plugin from Infernosoft that fakes wheelying-motorcycle pictures.
--
Wendell Gunderson-Ogelthorpe, Director of Virtual Development & Simulations
Spagthorpe Skunk Works, Isolation Chamber B-7
Spagthorpe Motorcycle Company (http://www.spagthorpe.com)
To email me, take the castor oil out of the spagthorpe.
Timberwoof
Kevin Moran <kmmoran...@rcn.com> wrote:
> I got a V65 Sabre to wheelie once, but it took some work. I had to take my
> cat,
>
> attach a piece of buttered toast to it's back, and then zip-tied the
> whole assembly to the shaftie's front fender. Thanks to the
> anti-gravity effect from combining the butter-side-down rule and the
> cat-landing-on-it's feet rule, with the proper amount of butter, the
> bike would wheelie.
>
> Of course, with BMW's you need 2 cats.
This is good!
You do realize that modern BMWs already come with cats. There's usually
one under the transmission housing.
Timberwoof
<1fk8my7.1uf...@host213-122-163-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com>,
chateau...@btinternet.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
> Buzz <Buz...@canoemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wheelie my Shadow Aero 1100. First gear only, but still it lifts about
> > 16" and I can probably keep it there for 20' to 30'.
>
> You obviously didn't read the Spagforth tale closely enough. Unless you
> live on the Equator, I seriously doubt your bike wheelies.
Quite frankly, I'd take the "Spagforth" tale only as far as I could
throw it. Clearly an invention modeled after the Real Legendary
Spagthorpe.
--
Timberwoof <timberwoof at infernosoft dot com>
The Older Gentleman
Buzz
but no it does wheelie and with not much effort. I don't know what to say,
but that's the way it is. Now some might say that 30' is not much of a
wheelie but it does and I honnestly never tried very hard or practised.
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Buzz
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The Older Gentleman
Tim & Kathy Morrow
> And now we're flooded with rec.moto idiots.
> "Spagforth"??? You can't even spell your own jokes, lol.
Lord knows there are enough of them in alt.motorcycle.sportbike to begin
with!
_Bob Nixon_
Which kinda begs a question, Tim. You either think you're too good for
AMS or something else, which and what is it?
01 Sprint ST "RED"
Bob Nixon, Phoenix Az.
http://members.cox.net/bigrex/
Timberwoof
word "their" in the thread title.
}: )
--
Robert A. Barr
> You know, what really irritates me about this whole discussion is the
> word "their" in the thread title.
>
> }: )
It doesn't belong they're?
Charles Soto
Your over reacting!
Charles
Jack Hunt
<timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote:
>You know, what really irritates me about this whole discussion is the
>word "their" in the thread title.
It's bothering me to.
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Road Dog
Jim Williamson
Steve Makohin
It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
can't go fast: 68% Misconception + 32% Ignorance = 100% Flame Bait.
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| (hotmail acct is spam catcher)
Jack Hunt
<smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
>can't go fast
Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need any
explanation. It's just...there.
--
Road Dog
Daniel Bannon
>I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
>rotational forces or something?
>
They'll wheelie fine in the Southern Hemisphere, but not the Northern.
I have pictures of Aussies wheelieing the new FJR1300 all day long.
Sadly, those of us in the U.S. cannot.
In the Southern Hemisphere, the anti-cyclonic direction of the
coriolis force reverses the torque direction on the shaft (torque
equals force X lever arm, except in the S.H. where torque = 1/force X
lever arm).
(Substitute S.I. units for the S.H.: Newtons for F(orce), Kg, and
Litres for Lever Arm). In the U.S, use Ft/second for F, Lb and quarts
for weight).
Entering the average coriolis force felt by a rider at Phillip Island,
e.g, and deriving the equation, you'll quickly note a LOT more force
transfers to the back wheel upon throttle up in the S.H. Up north,
the force (torque) evenly applies to the shaft both front and rear of
the U-joint, tending to keep the wheel on the ground.
Sorry, man. Physics does not lie.
'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' '99 CBR1100XX & '00 RSV Mille
'-----------------------------------------------------
Tim & Kathy Morrow
>
> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:07:35 -0400, Tim & Kathy Morrow
> <tomo...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >Battleax wrote:
> >
> >> And now we're flooded with rec.moto idiots.
> >> "Spagforth"??? You can't even spell your own jokes, lol.
> >
> >Lord knows there are enough of them in alt.motorcycle.sportbike to begin
> >with!
>
> Which kinda begs a question, Tim. You either think you're too good for
> AMS or something else, which and what is it?
No, no, and neither.
Mutt'n
Daniel Bannon <daniel_...@hahtmail.dott.c0mm> wrote in message
news:t1u5rus3deqhqi7nq...@4ax.com...
Thanks for clearing this up form me Daniel. I can now go shopping with
absolute confidence.
There really are some definite advantages to living at the foot of Africa!
Martin
F4 - South Africa
Y2KYZFR1
> I don't understand why they can't. Does it have something to do with
> rotational forces or something?
The natural force of stupidity is the main one at work. Gullability is
a secondary cause also.
QVP
with a purely shaft driven bike that can wheelie? Is it really impossible?
Troy the Troll
"QVP" <q...@runco.com> wrote in message
news:urh3gof...@corp.supernews.com...
> I'm not sure what to beleive. Is there anyone in the northern
hemisphere
> with a purely shaft driven bike that can wheelie?
Of course. The original poster was either a nutcase or just plain
stupid.
> Is it really impossible?
Of course not. You aren't a troll too are you?
Timberwoof
1...@2.edu (Jim Williamson) wrote:
Sigh. No one noticed that you really meant to write, "Yeah, allot grief
all over. (Opps a lot.)" }: )
--
Timberwoof <timberwoof at infernosoft dot com>
Steve Makohin
Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
Charles Soto
> In article <bqo5ru47ru1ribecq...@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:33:24 -0400, Steve Makohin
> ><smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
> >>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
> >>can't go fast
> >
> >Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need any
> >explanation. It's just...there.
>
> Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
No true! Macs *are* PCs. It's just that Windows sucks!
Dave Slavik
"Charles Soto" <cs...@austin.meepmeep.com> wrote in message
news:csoto-F7CFFC....@newsr1.texas.rr.com...
> Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <bqo5ru47ru1ribecq...@4ax.com>,
> > Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:33:24 -0400, Steve Makohin
> > ><smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
> > >>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
> > >>can't go fast
> > >
> > >Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need any
> > >explanation. It's just...there.
> >
> > Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
>
>
> No true! Macs *are* PCs. It's just that Windows sucks!
The words they are searching for is Mac vs Wintel
Charles Soto
Nah. They really mean Windows versus Linux. Those of us smart folk
don't give a shit otherwise...
Dave Slavik
> "Dave Slavik" <val...@NOPANTScorecomm.net> wrote:
>
> > "Charles Soto" <cs...@austin.meepmeep.com> wrote in message
> > news:csoto-F7CFFC....@newsr1.texas.rr.com...
> > > Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <bqo5ru47ru1ribecq...@4ax.com>,
> > > > Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:33:24 -0400, Steve Makohin
> > > > ><smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
> > > > >>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
> > > > >>can't go fast
> > > > >
> > > > >Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need
any
> > > > >explanation. It's just...there.
> > > >
> > > > Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
> > >
> > >
> > > No true! Macs *are* PCs. It's just that Windows sucks!
> >
> > The words they are searching for is Mac vs Wintel
>
>
> Nah. They really mean Windows versus Linux. Those of us smart folk
> don't give a shit otherwise...
You are correct sir!
</McMahon>
Timberwoof
Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <bqo5ru47ru1ribecq...@4ax.com>,
> Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:33:24 -0400, Steve Makohin
> ><smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
> >>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
> >>can't go fast
> >
> >Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need any
> >explanation. It's just...there.
>
> Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
So what does it mean when a BMW rider uses a Mac? (Or is that a Mac user
rides a BMW motorcycle?)
(Legend has it that years ago Steve Jobs had an old airhead BMW on
display at Apple's development offices to inspire people to make good
design. I tried searching for documentaiton of that on google. "apple
computer bmw motorcycle" yields some interesting pages.)
Steve Makohin
Timberwoof <timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote:
>In article <smakohin-9A07C7...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <bqo5ru47ru1ribecq...@4ax.com>,
>> Jack Hunt <jhu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:33:24 -0400, Steve Makohin
>> ><smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Is there a scientific explanation why shafties can't wheelie? Yup!
>> >>It's the same "scientific" explanation that explains why BMW bikes
>> >>can't go fast
>> >
>> >Some things, like gravity and BMWs lack of performance, don't need any
>> >explanation. It's just...there.
>>
>> Exactly! Just like Macs being better than PCs. It's just... there!
>
>So what does it mean when a BMW rider uses a Mac? (Or is that a Mac user
>rides a BMW motorcycle?)
>
>(Legend has it that years ago Steve Jobs had an old airhead BMW on
>display at Apple's development offices to inspire people to make good
>design. I tried searching for documentaiton of that on google. "apple
>computer bmw motorcycle" yields some interesting pages.)
Please do share the URLs to those "interesting pages." I don't have
time to wade through 2,810 hits. Thanks in advance.
Timberwoof
Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Please do share the URLs to those "interesting pages." I don't have
> time to wade through 2,810 hits. Thanks in advance.
Oh, do the search youself ... I only looked at the first two or three
pages of results. }: )
--
Timberwoof <timberwoof at infernosoft dot com>
XS11E
news:timberwoof.spam-69...@typhoon.sonic.net:
> In article <smakohin-CEED29...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Please do share the URLs to those "interesting pages." I don't
>> have time to wade through 2,810 hits. Thanks in advance.
>
> Oh, do the search youself ... I only looked at the first two or
> three pages of results. }: )
http://www.jeffgoodell.com/articles/appl15.html:
"To relieve stress, Capps played basketball. Others snarfed pineapple
pizza, tossed Nerf balls. Nobody drank (hackers seem to have an anti-
alcohol gene), but when things got tense, somebody would spark the
occasional joint. Jobs brought in a $25,000 Bosen-dorfer piano and a
BMW motorcycle for design inspiration; worried that his team needed
creative stimulation, he authorized $1,000 a month to be spent on toys
- so somebody went out and bought a killer stereo. During late-night
kamikaze programming marathons, they'd crank up the Pretenders or the
Violent Femmes loud enough to rattle the windows."
Timberwoof
XS11E <xs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah ... but what kind, what color? Are there any pictures?
--
XS11E
news:timberwoof.spam-4A...@typhoon.sonic.net:
> In article <Xns92B695BE517...@68.6.19.6>,
> XS11E <xs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Timberwoof <timberw...@infernosoft.com> wrote in
>> news:timberwoof.spam-69...@typhoon.sonic.net:
>>
>> > In article <smakohin-CEED29...@enews.newsguy.com>,
>> > Steve Makohin <smak...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please do share the URLs to those "interesting pages." I don't
>> >> have time to wade through 2,810 hits. Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > Oh, do the search youself ... I only looked at the first two or
>> > three pages of results. }: )
>>
>> http://www.jeffgoodell.com/articles/appl15.html:
>>
>> "To relieve stress, Capps played basketball. Others snarfed
>> pineapple pizza, tossed Nerf balls. Nobody drank (hackers seem to
>> have an anti- alcohol gene), but when things got tense, somebody
>> would spark the occasional joint. Jobs brought in a $25,000
>> Bosen-dorfer piano and a BMW motorcycle for design inspiration;
>> worried that his team needed creative stimulation, he authorized
>> $1,000 a month to be spent on toys - so somebody went out and
>> bought a killer stereo. During late-night kamikaze programming
>> marathons, they'd crank up the Pretenders or the Violent Femmes
>> loud enough to rattle the windows."
>
> Yeah ... but what kind, what color? Are there any pictures?
Don't know, don't care. I was just trying to help out some guy too
lazy... er... excuse me, too busy with really important stuff to do the
search himself.
Steve Makohin
XS11E <xs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I guess one man's "really interesting" is another man's (me) "ho-hum."
Carry on.
XS11E
news:smakohin-15C169...@enews.newsguy.com:
I thought the entire topic was boring, so why did you want the URLs?
Steve Makohin
XS11E <xs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Someone suggested that there were some "interesting pages" when
searching for several key words. I'd rather have someone tell me
exactly what is interesting rather than me having to wade through
possible 2,810 hits. I found the passage above to be curious, but of
little interest. As I said, I guess one man's "really interesting" is
another man's (me) "ho-hum." No offense intended to anyone.
XS11E
It was the other 2,809 hits that were interesting. ;-)
RG圻星
I took a new Goldwing for a test drive and it wheelied just fine... no joke.
Kidder
could wheelie the hell out of those. (Remember the
red, white, and blue and red/black and blue/black?)
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