The King is Dead.
Blake Baysinger
> >
> > Doug Domokos, 44, of Lake Elsinore, California, died along with his
> > instructor when an ultralight plane that the two men were flying crashed
> > near Bear Creek Field in Murrieta, California, yesterday.
> >
> > The crash occurred at 4:05 p.m. Witnesses said that the ultralight was
> > between 300 and 1000 feet off the ground and was in a steep turn when
the
> > wing apparently tore and the craft plummeted.
> >
> > Domokos was world-renowned in the industry as "The Wheelie King", having
> > come from a motocross background to develop a trademark act that gained
in
> > popularity throughout the '70s and '80s, landing him factory support
from
> > Kawasaki, Honda and ATK during his career. He set and reset several
> > records on one wheel, and still holds the record for the highest wheelie
> > ever, performing the feat atop the Empire State Building in New York.
> >
Pobirsm
him for over 2 decades , I recall him riding a 3 block wheelie on a KZ1300
almost 20 years ago in Westlake Village ,Calif. at the offices of "Cycle"
Magazine. Hope they have bikes in heaven ,of course they do or it would`nt be
heaven would it ?Rest in Peace Doug .
RC46
brotheres dead instantly.
rc
"Blake Baysinger" <bbays...@kscable.com> wrote in message
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Don
husband and wife dead instantly.
Or is that a bad analogy of the point being made?
RC46 <unava...@thistime.net> wrote in message
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Erik Astrup
>Good old motorcycles. One crashed in rush hour traffic here last month,
>husband and wife dead instantly.
>Or is that a bad analogy of the point being made?
Good old cars. One crashed in rush hour traffic here last week, whole
family dead instantly.
People shouldn't drive, ride, or fly.
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1995 Triumph Tiger
1999 Yamaha YZF1000 R1
"Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately."
"Well, I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it, Bob."
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Erik Astrup
wrote:
>Good old ultralights. One crashed into rush hour traffic here last week, two
>brotheres dead instantly.
Are you insinuating that they are inherently dangerous? What do you
think about motorcycle safety?
I've been looking into ultralights a bit lately and from what I can
tell a trained UL pilot is a lot safer in his plane than you or I are
riding around cars all day.
Odd how people would take cheap shots at another hobby that involves
some sort of risk. Maybe you didn't mean that, but that's how I read
it.
wheelie king
an ultralight crash.
not very encouraging...
phil
00 R1
Jeff
"wheelie king" <wheeli...@wheelie.king> wrote in message
> It seems that I recall reading that the guy who invented ultralights died
in
> an ultralight crash.
Al Gore?
Jeff
Peter Roehling
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:06:41 GMT, "Don" <n...@this.time> wrote:
>
> >husband and wife dead instantly.
> >Or is that a bad analogy of the point being made?
>
> family dead instantly.
>
> People shouldn't drive, ride, or fly.
Well, not after drinking beer. The local paper (Riverside Press
Enterprise) reported that both the crash victims had been drinking
before they took off.
P.
Larry
Peter Roehling <peter_r...@eee.org> wrote in message
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> Erik Astrup wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:06:41 GMT, "Don" <n...@this.time> wrote:
> >
month,
> > >husband and wife dead instantly.
> > >Or is that a bad analogy of the point being made?
> >
> > family dead instantly.
> >
> > People shouldn't drive, ride, or fly.
>
> Well, not after drinking beer. The local paper (Riverside Press
> Enterprise) reported that both the crash victims had been drinking
> before they took off.
>
> P.
But I think a witness stated that he saw a wing tear off. That doesn't
sound particularly alcohol related, IMHO.
Larry
00 929
RC46
structural part collapse could suggest improper inspection or assembly. Or
possibly pilot error.
I was intrested the Mitchel wings back in the early 80s and was about to
build. Then two fell from the sky that summer and I lost interest.
Safer that bikes? In my opinion not quite as safe, close though.
Cheap shot? Well it wasn't ment to be.
rc
Paul Cassel
drinking/misjudgements.
-paul
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Paul Cassel
"Jeff" <myst...@NSmindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
Sadly, no.
Erik Astrup
wrote:
>Safer that bikes? In my opinion not quite as safe, close though.
I've never seen any figures on crashes so can't be sure. But it would
seem to me that ultra light pilots have a lot fewer things to deal
with than we do on the road. There aren't thousands of cars,
pedestrians etc. No traffic lights or road hazards around every
corner.
When you're 800 feet in the air there' not much to run into.
I'm not saying it's "safe", but I think the pilot has a lot less to
worry about than we do.
>Cheap shot? Well it wasn't ment to be.
Fair 'nuff.
W.J.Quinn
> Peter Roehling <peter_r...@eee.org> wrote in message
> news:3A272463...@eee.org...
> > Erik Astrup wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 06:06:41 GMT, "Don" <n...@this.time> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Good old motorcycles. One crashed in rush hour traffic here last
> month,
> > > >husband and wife dead instantly.
> > > >Or is that a bad analogy of the point being made?
> > >
> > > Good old cars. One crashed in rush hour traffic here last week, whole
> > > family dead instantly.
> > >
> > > People shouldn't drive, ride, or fly.
> >
> > Well, not after drinking beer. The local paper (Riverside Press
> > Enterprise) reported that both the crash victims had been drinking
> > before they took off.
> >
> > P.
>
> But I think a witness stated that he saw a wing tear off. That doesn't
> sound particularly alcohol related, IMHO.
>
> Larry
> 00 929
Really? Fold up the wing on a light aircraft with a "hamfist" on the controls
at the wrong time?... sounds potentially ETOH exacerbated to me. Same rules
apply to motorcycles. All speculative at this point, of course.
--
'00 SV650
'97 EX250
W.J.Quinn
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:02:16 GMT, "RC46" <unava...@thistime.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Safer that bikes? In my opinion not quite as safe, close though.
>
> I've never seen any figures on crashes so can't be sure. But it would
> seem to me that ultra light pilots have a lot fewer things to deal
> with than we do on the road. There aren't thousands of cars,
> pedestrians etc. No traffic lights or road hazards around every
> corner.
> When you're 800 feet in the air there' not much to run into.
>
> I'm not saying it's "safe", but I think the pilot has a lot less to
> worry about than we do.
>
>
It's not the drilling around "in the air up there" that gets you; it's the
dealing with the ground that's the problem. The earth has roughly a kill ratio of
1. It takes the same kind of concentration to both activities (flying and riding)
well and safely.
Larry W.
wake of a C5 Transport. Anything's possible. But so far the report is that
there was a wing failure. The autopsy will demonstrate whether or not there
was alcohol in their systems. Until then, if we are going to spread rumors,
I like the "angry harpies" story better. More inventive. Otherwise, let's
not prejudge two dead men without evidence, IMHO.
Larry
Paul Cassel <pcas...@home.com> wrote in message
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> They may have done something that caused the wing to tear due to
> drinking/misjudgements.
>
> -paul
>
> "Larry" <l...@will-contests.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
Larry W.
W.J.Quinn <quin...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
All speculative at this point, of course.
My point exactly. Let's not damage these dead gentlemen with speculation.
Let's wait for facts.
Larry
00 929
Ken Ishiguro
Larry wrote:
>
> But I think a witness stated that he saw a wing tear off.
>
> Larry
> 00 929
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate, and are treated as such
by the NTSB. Even experienced airline pilots who all witness an
accident provide widely varying accounts of what they saw.
Ken Ishiguro
Ken Ishiguro
"W.J.Quinn" wrote:
>
> It's not the drilling around "in the air up there" that gets you; it's the
> dealing with the ground that's the problem. The earth has roughly a kill ratio of
> 1. It takes the same kind of concentration to both activities (flying and riding)
> well and safely.
>
I have been in probably a total of 1000-2000 landings as a pilot and as
a passenger. Seems like if the ground had a "kill ration of 1", I
wouldn't be sitting here typing this.
I do get your point, though.
Ken Ishiguro
Larry
Ken Ishiguro <ken...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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My point was that we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the pilots were
drinking alcohol, and should wait for the facts. Your post would seem to
go yet another step further in making that same point.
On a different note, did you ever ride the T509 Triple with the 885 engine,
and if so, how would you compare it to your 99 Speed Triple?
Larry
00 929
Peter Roehling
>
> They may have been attacked by angry harpies. They may have flown into the
> wake of a C5 Transport. Anything's possible. But so far the report is that
> there was a wing failure. The autopsy will demonstrate whether or not there
> was alcohol in their systems. Until then, if we are going to spread rumors,
> I like the "angry harpies" story better. More inventive. Otherwise, let's
> not prejudge two dead men without evidence, IMHO.
Reporting the substance of a newspaper story isn't spreading rumors.
Here are two actual quotes:
"Crash linked to maneuvers: The two men killed had been drinking beer
and disregarded warnings not to fly, according to police."
"The two men killed in an ultralight crash in Murrieta Sunday were
performing risky aerobatics seconds before the plane's wing collapsed,
sending the pair plunging several hundred feet to their deaths,
according to an acquaintance."
P.
Larry
Two thoughts:
1. I missed the first paragraph above before I posted, and apologize.
You are correct that recounting a news story is not the same as initiating
rumors. I was wrong.
2. It still bothers me to rely on a newspaper report of a crash. You can
tell from the context of the story that it is more opinion than news. News
reporting doesn't opine that the two men "were performing risky aerobatics"
And the reporter claims the police stated the men had been drinking beer.
How do they know that? They disregarded warnings not to fly? How do they
know that? Nothing from any actual witnesses, and no attribution to any
police officer. Just hearsay on hearsay, couched in the language of opinion
and published as news.
I can't begin to tell you how many newspaper reports I've read, or
contributed to, over the years that twist "facts" and "reliable sources" to
create the spin the reporter is going for. I don't know if that has
happened here, but I would just be wary, since the dead men can't defend
themselves.
M. J. Freeman
<l...@will-contests.com> wrote:
> I can't begin to tell you how many newspaper reports I've read, or
> contributed to, over the years that twist "facts" and "reliable sources" to
> create the spin the reporter is going for. I don't know if that has
> happened here, but I would just be wary, since the dead men can't defend
> themselves.
Oh, come on now, as Duddley Dooright used to say: "It must be true,
it's in print!"
But seriously, never mistake incompetence for conspiracy.
--
Michael J. Freeman (a.k.a., Pi)
mfree...@earthlink.net Oxford, OH
"Insanity runs in the family; it practically gallops"
Ellison, H. Thompson, D. Parker, Prince, SRV, Led Zep
Peter Roehling
>
> Two thoughts:
>
> 1. I missed the first paragraph above before I posted, and apologize.
> You are correct that recounting a news story is not the same as initiating
> rumors. I was wrong.
Jeeze, what a breath of fresh air. Thank you. Next time that I'm wrong
-and I have been and will be again- I hope to do as well as you just
did. Kudos.
> 2. It still bothers me to rely on a newspaper report of a crash. You can
> tell from the context of the story that it is more opinion than news. News
> reporting doesn't opine that the two men "were performing risky aerobatics"
> And the reporter claims the police stated the men had been drinking beer.
> How do they know that? They disregarded warnings not to fly? How do they
> know that? Nothing from any actual witnesses, and no attribution to any
> police officer. Just hearsay on hearsay, couched in the language of opinion
> and published as news.
Well, there was more in the actual original newspaper article(s),
including quotes from witnesses who were both friends of the pilot, and
ultralight pilots themselves. Unfortunately, the P.E. charges $1.50 a
whack to access their data base of past articles, so I just quoted the
headlines. (I read the complete articles when they were first published,
but didn't want to try quoting from memory.)
> I can't begin to tell you how many newspaper reports I've read, or
> contributed to, over the years that twist "facts" and "reliable sources" to
> create the spin the reporter is going for.
In this case it seemed a pretty straight-forward job of accident
reporting. There have been previous problems with drinking and flying at
this ultralight field (Which is exactly that: a field. Not an airport),
and I'm told that the guys who fly out of this field are trying to
police themselves in an effort to keep from getting chased off/closed
down.
In any case, it was a sad event. Nothing to celebrate about.
P.
Ken Ishiguro
> My point was that we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the pilots were
> drinking alcohol, and should wait for the facts. Your post would seem to
> go yet another step further in making that same point.
Agreed. I hate it when there's an airline accident and the media hauls
out their "aviation consultants" and pins down a cause within
hours...with the caveat that the NTSB is the ultimate expert, they don't
want to speculate, etc. etc.
> On a different note, did you ever ride the T509 Triple with the 885 engine,
> and if so, how would you compare it to your 99 Speed Triple?
>
Never rode a T509, sorry.
Ken Ishiguro
ABNZX9
in Michigan that I currently live in.His mother still lives here