is the CBR600F4i a Real Sport bike?
herman
the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
also heavyer than most 600's?
What do you all think?
I will be using it on the street but would like an agressive seating
position and agressive handling bike.
Thanks.
_Bob Nixon_
>I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
>the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
>also heavyer than most 600's?
Most squids are riding R6's. What do you care? Don't be a leeming.
>What do you all think?
I think if you can ride an F4i at anything close to it's capabilities
buy the R6. But you can't and won't, so buy the nice street worthy
F4i.
>I will be using it on the street but would like an agressive seating
>position and agressive handling bike.
Why? BTW, what's your age and riding experience?
Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"
03 Suzuki ST "SILVER"
P.Roehling
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote
> I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position.
Oh, crap. It's slightly less focused (read "more comfortable") than an R6,
but not by a lot.
> It is also heavyer than most 600's?
A few pounds. But since it would take an expert rider to exploit the
difference; who cares?
> What do you all think?
Buy whichever bike makes you happiest. They're both great bikes, they're
both very quick, and the Honda is marginally more practical.
> I will be using it on the street but would like an agressive seating
> position and agressive handling bike.
Have you looked at the Honda CBR 600RR?
P.
Troy the Troll
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> I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
> also heavyer than most 600's?
Most people can't ride their way out of a wet paper bag, particularly those
who might be young and squidly. So they probably aren't qualified to even
know the DIFFERENCE between the two, let alone whether or not one is a
"touring" bike and another is "sporty".
>
> What do you all think?
>
Buy whichever is cheaper, looks better to you, feels more comfortable,
whatever.
> I will be using it on the street but would like an agressive seating
> position and agressive handling bike.
Sounds like either would work fine.
Daniel Bannon
Heavier, it may be. The data's out there, though I'm too lazy to look
it up.
Superbike did an interesting comparo of the F4i to the new 600RR ('02
vs. '03). In the quest for top end, they left out the midrange on the
new bike. Not surprising. Buy the race kit, I'm sure everything will
be hunky-dory (grin).
As I recall, they felt the RR made up for the odd midrange deficiency
in other areas, notably chassis and suspension. The RR's a focused
track bike, the F4i less so.
A guy I know rides an F4i at a startling pace on the track and street.
The potential's there, without a doubt. Seems like a swell
middleweight all-purpose bike to me.
If you're a street guy, and want the "aggressive" part, perhaps take a
look at the '03 ZX636B: aggressive look, seating, handling, and more
midrange than any of the others by a wide margin. Downside is the
harsh compression damping. Arguably the best track bike, too, but
whatever: 600s on the street are not my thing, since they must be
wound up to the moon and back to make power. Doing this on the street
seems futile, where midrange is usually an advantage.
Depends what you want in a 600, I suppose. I've read nary a test that
finds major issues with any of the current 600s, nor the F4i. Honda's
usually a leg up on build quality, with the occasional exception, if
that matters.
'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------
Wes Colvin
and boast about years from now. I own a 87 zx 1000 Ninja, it's my first
sportbike, it's also the only 2 wheel ride I own. I can tell you this, I
don't feel ashamed when I say I ride it.
I'll tell a story. Friend of new friend of mine comes over, who I just
found out owns a harley. Our conversion goes something like this.
Me: "Hey, I hear you own a Harley?"
Him: "Yeah, It's a 72, I had the rear swing widened, got custom paint. It's
tight."
Me: "Could I take it for a ride?"
Him: "Ha, your full of *rap man, no one rides my bike, cept'
me. Besides I don't even know you that well."
Me: "I'll let you ride my bike, if you do."
Him: "Hah, if you owned a ride nicer than mine you wouldn't have asked.
Beside you couldn't handle it."
Me: "It's a one thousand Ninja."
Him:"Ninja?"
Me: "Yes."
Him:"One thousand?"
Me: "Yes."
Him:"Ninja one thousand?"
Me: "Yes."
Him:"It run?"
Me: "Of course."
Yes, I ended up with my harley drive. Pretty cool too.
Depending on your age, you'll find if you part with your first "real" bike,
you'll probably miss it. I see 2 fates probably playing out. Bike last
3-6 months or 10-15 years.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Toup
really depends on riding experience. The R6 handles better IMO and is
lighter and faster, but her's is a great bike too. If you plan on
hitting the twisties a lot or the track, take the R6. I really like
the 03' due to major improvements if you can find one, or an 04' if
not. If you want to save some $ or will be doing some longer rides,
go with the F4i. You can get an 01-03 at killer deals for leftovers
and the bike hasn't changed.
As one poster told me one time, go with the bike that stirs your soul.
For me that happened to be the R6.
Derek & Allison
"_Bob Nixon_" <bi...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4dtmovomlom35eev7...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:00:32 GMT, "herman" <o...@no.way> wrote:
>
> >I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> >the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
> >also heavyer than most 600's?
>
> Most squids are riding R6's. What do you care? Don't be a leeming.
>
> >What do you all think?
>
> I think if you can ride an F4i at anything close to it's capabilities
> buy the R6. But you can't and won't, so buy the nice street worthy
> F4i.
Best answer Ive read in a while. I love it when people spend hours and hours looking
through motorcycle mazagines at track times, 1/4 mile times, weight, etc etc etc. And when it
comes down to it - Id say at least 90% of the people who buy street bikes cant even ride them
NEAR the bikes capabilities.
Buy the bike that rides the best for you. If they are all around the same spec - odds are the
bike wont hold back your riding.
DU
2002 Ducati 998
2003 Ducati Monster 620
Inlaw Biker
Of my local riding group the guy on the F4 (not -i) made me and my Ducati
look the silliest on track days. On long trips he seemed more comfortable
than me too...
Get the one you want the most. If you're asking this question you won't
notice much difference except the seating position.
--
Greg Sumner
Le Inlaw Biker, Seattle WA
CoRkS
here's a novel idea - instead of listening to your "mates" why don't you go
and buy the bike YOU like
afterall it will be YOU that will be riding it
tricky concept i know but do try to hang in there
--
cb250rs->gpx600r->xj650->fzs600->trx850->zx7r->trx850->900ss->zx636r.
herman wrote in message ...
Az929RR
"Inlaw Biker" <gmons...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I had the chance to ride a CBR600RR for a day, and I would have to say it is
the best handling bike I have ever ridden. I'm not a big guy 5'7" so the
bike ergonomically fit me perfect. I currently own a 01-929. I have ridden
Bob Nixon's new GXSR 1000, a 2003 RC51 a few yami's and Duc's, Aprillias
Mille R. Also a friend of mine who is a instructor at a superbike school
has said the same of the 600RR. He has a ton of racing experience. I'm
looking to buy one come spring. For the street and track it has all the
power you need and some. By the way, the RC51 is awesome handler also, The
Stability and turn in is great.
just my opinion,
--
Mike
Chandler, AZ
01CBR929RR R/B
If you find yourself riding on twisty canyon roads with the sun in your face
do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium and you are already dead.
Inlaw Biker
> I had the chance to ride a CBR600RR for a day, and I would have to
> say it is the best handling bike I have ever ridden. I'm not a big
> guy 5'7" so the bike ergonomically fit me perfect. I currently own a
> 01-929. I have ridden Bob Nixon's new GXSR 1000, a 2003 RC51 a few
> yami's and Duc's, Aprillias Mille R. Also a friend of mine who is a
> instructor at a superbike school has said the same of the 600RR. He
> has a ton of racing experience. I'm looking to buy one come spring.
> For the street and track it has all the power you need and some. By
> the way, the RC51 is awesome handler also, The Stability and turn in
> is great.
>
> just my opinion,
I have ridden one too, I was very impressed. See my post about two months
ago.
Andrew
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
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Yes it is a "real" sportbike!
--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
http://ultrasupercool.com
herman
"P.Roehling" <Pete.R...@CUTOUTeee.org> wrote in message
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its a pure track design. not totally interested, I know the R6 is a bit of
both, just I don't wanna out grow a F4i, there are Sooooo many for sale
where people go R1 etc... also i've read LOTS about the yamies having so
many troubles with parts breaking and miss threaded bolts etc...
>
> P.
>
>
herman
How 'upright' is an 'upright' seating position? as far as i could tell felt
similar to a r6? but i haven't tried side by side.
"Kevin Arouza" <keva...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
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> Here is a pic of me "touring" at Willow Springs Raceway... LOL!
>
> http://www.sportbikerush.com/images/mile.jpg
>
> Another "touring" shot of a friend of mine, very fast guy...
>
> http://www.sportbikerush.com/images/kwtoxman.jpg
>
> Seriously, whoever told you that the F4i is a touring bike is grossly
> misinformed. The F4i is a supersport similar to the R6. The seating
> position is hardly upright compared to a real sport-touring bike like
> an ST1300.
>
> If you are *extremely* fast on the track, the F4i can run into some
> ground clearance problems but these are very easily corrected within a
> few hundred $$$. Go for the F4i, I absolutely have no regrets getting
> mine.
>
> Kevin
> 2002 CBR600 F4i -street/track-
> 1995 CBR600 F3 -track-
Cham Leck
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
>
> How 'upright' is an 'upright' seating position? as far as i could tell
felt
> similar to a r6? but i haven't tried side by side.
>
felt more upright than my little Suzuki. I can't imagine the SV's position
being more pretzel-like than an R6.
herman
like that?
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Cham Leck
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
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triple rider
> More upright than a SV650S!? man thats upright for sure! how can people
race
> like that?
>
will make the F4i go fast. A fast rider will make the R6 go fast. You'll
never approach the limits of either one on the street. If you're going to
do ANY riding on the highways or commuting, a slightly more upright stance
will save lots of wrist/hand ache. I have a '02 Speed Triple. I have since
converted it to clipons, but stock its very upright. Even in stock form,
I'd be faster than some guys on their race-replicas. On the other hand,
I've been dusted in the twisties by someone on a dirt bike. Of course, he
was breaking his rear tire loose in the turns to help his turn-in so I
didn't feel too bad :) Point is until you reach a pretty high level at the
track, I don't think you'll notice any "performance" deficit in the F4i as
compared to the R6.
But, if you just happen to love blue, buy the R6 :)
-c.
02 Speed Triple
_Bob Nixon_
>More upright than a SV650S!? man thats upright for sure! how can people race
>like that?
The "S" model not the naked SV. Big difference in ergos between the
two. I suggest you do some research before buying anything. Go out the
dealers and sit on some more bikes. Don't listen to your buds either.
Look at lots of bikes, read the reviews, then make up your own mind.
Erik Astrup
>What do you all think?
Guys win races on them all the time. I guess they don't suck.
--
Erik Astrup
2001 Yamaha FZ-1
1989 Honda Hawk GT
herman
see how this 'upright' seating is. Its not like a katana is it.
I guess the F4i isn't a super sport? its just a sport?
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Bruce Hartweg
You seem to be missing the point here, unless you are herman bostrum,
any of the bikes are way more sport/supersport/whatever than you can/will
actually ride it.
Take Bob's advice, read up, sit on the bikes (and better yet *ride* them)
Don't worry about trying to classify them, pick the one you like the best,
be that the feel of the ride, general ergos, of the color you like best.
bruce
herman
"Bruce Hartweg" <bruce...@hartweg.us> wrote in message
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Bruce Hartweg
herman wrote:
> naturally its impossible to ride them.
>
sounds pretty unnatural to me. why not?
Bruce
herman
buy them, so most dealers don't bother.
"Bruce Hartweg" <bruce...@hartweg.us> wrote in message
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P.Roehling
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote
> > Have you looked at the Honda CBR 600RR?
>
> its a pure track design.
Not so. It's perfectly street legal, and just as "out there" as was the R6
when *it* first came out.
BTW, it occurs to me that if you know so little about sportbikes that you're
afraid of "outgrowing" an F4, you really shouldn't be buying a supersport
600 anyway. These are not beginner's bikes.
P.
Jamin Kortegard
> its a toss up between the newer 03 R6 or the older F4i, and I will go and
> see how this 'upright' seating is. Its not like a katana is it.
>
> I guess the F4i isn't a super sport? its just a sport?
>
The F4i was as "super sport" as Honda got with 600s until the brand new
600RR came out for the first time in 2003. They raced the F4i in AMA
SuperSport and won plenty of times, as far as I remember.
--
Jamin Kortegard
2002 YZF-R1
2003 WRX
Toup
What you do is look in cycle trader for people selling them in your
area and call them up and tell them you want to check it out. When
you get there tell them you want to test ride it and what 2 bikes
you're looking at, and that you need to test them both to make up your
mind. You can also tell them this when on the phone in case they say
no way, so you won't be wasting anyone's time. Then test ride them
both and see what you like.
It's best to be honest and you could even give one of them $25-30 to
ride it. Not the most ideal situation but it's better to spend $30
now then to spend $8000 and hate the bike.
herman
Almost anyone going into sport bikes are told, even on this message board,
go for the F4i because its forgiving etc...
"P.Roehling" <Pete.R...@CUTOUTeee.org> wrote in message
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Jamin Kortegard
>
> Almost anyone going into sport bikes are told, even on this message board,
> go for the F4i because its forgiving etc...
>
The F4i has been labeled the "easiest" 600 super sport to ride, probably
because it's stable, it's not overly twitchy, it's reasonably comfortable
(more so than GSX-R600 and R6 by most people's assessments). This doesn't
mean it's a 2nd rate 600 super sport, if that's what you're implying.
herman
but since this isn't a track bike, you probably wouldn't notice between the
r6 and and rr and f4i
"Jamin Kortegard" <jkort...@notmymail.com> wrote in message
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Jamin Kortegard
> "Jamin Kortegard" <jkort...@notmymail.com> wrote in message
> news:BBB30219.32216%jkort...@notmymail.com...
>
>> The F4i has been labeled the "easiest" 600 super sport to ride, probably
>> because it's stable, it's not overly twitchy, it's reasonably comfortable
>> (more so than GSX-R600 and R6 by most people's assessments). This doesn't
>> mean it's a 2nd rate 600 super sport, if that's what you're implying.
>>
>
> is 'Twitchy' not quicker turns and such, yes it is..
>
Twitchy is unstable. Quick turn-in is fine, but you don't want the bike to
be so jumpy with it's steering geometry that's it's difficult to control.
Everything I've read about the CBR600F4i (and 929/954) has said that they
have very neutral steering. That's a good thing.
P.Roehling
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
>
> Almost anyone going into sport bikes are told, even on this message board,
> go for the F4i because its forgiving etc...
Uh, nobody in their right mind would recommend an Fri. as a first bike. But
there are lots of newbies out there who have to learn this lesson the hard
(and very expensive) way, and it looks as if you're determined to be one of
them.
Good luck.
P.
Bruce Hartweg
herman wrote:
> dealers do not allow people to ride them, most around here ride them and not
> buy them, so most dealers don't bother.
>
>
Bummer. Dealers around here don't seem to have that attitude. last year when
I returned from overseas & was starting to look around, I went looking for
a used bike (since that was my budget & I don't want payments on a toy).
When heading to the back of the store I off hand mentioned to the guy I
really like the looks of the (then) new VFR. He said - hey we've got one
out front - you should take it for a spin. I said no initially & was fairly
clear It was beyond what I wanted to spend - but he said to go anyway. maybe
he thought a ride would weaken my resolve & he could have a better sale,
but it was totally easy to take a ride & no real pressure afterward to
"make the sale" on that bike, or the used ones.
I don't think I could drop serious bucks on a bike without even riding it.
Bruce
Reassembler
> I don't think I could drop serious bucks on a bike without
even riding it.
>
bike that had been "tested" by a variety of odd people. You
see the problem.
Reassembler
Andrew
won a world title on it.
jim stinnett
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
> I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
> also heavyer than most 600's?
>
What have you been riding up to this point?
It's all relative.
--
Jim Stinnett
VTR1000
R1100RS
Too much motorcycle information @ http://moto-rama.com
jim stinnett
"Erik Astrup" <er...@teamiguana.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:00:32 GMT, in alt.motorcycle.sportbike you wrote:
>
> >What do you all think?
> Guys win races on them all the time. I guess they don't suck.
Yeah whatever, huh? It doesn't matter who is riding , as long as you're
riding the fastest , most bestest bike.
Phil, Squid-in-Training
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
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> I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
> also heavyer than most 600's?
Hey herman... Glad to see that you've diversified your posts away from
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles.sportbike.
I'm going to say, it's your money. But we've already proved in ABPMS that
you don't have a moto as of yet (and neither do I). Personally, I would go
with something cheap, used, disposable for a first bike. That's what I plan
on doing. If you crash or bin it, you'll probably kick yourself for
damaging plastics and such.
Don't read the magazines. They give all this advice that seasoned riders
would notice, and really that's probably not appropriate for the young
drooling bikeless crowd. I say that because most of what you say in ABPMS
is worthy of teenager talk.
Any 600 supersport would probably beat your pants off anyway. Get a
big-dick liter bike if you want, but be prepared to pay the consequences.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training
Troy the Troll
> with something cheap, used, disposable for a first bike.
Phil, my lawyers will be contacting you in the morning. I have copyrighted
the terms used-cheap-disposable in their various conbinations when referring
to beginner bikes and require a $100 royalty everytime someone says it.
BBWWWAAAAHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!
Phil, Squid-in-Training
What about the oft-used "CDU" or "CUD"?
Something about "pre-owned/pecuniarily effective/short-term" doesn't ring
too well...
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training
Troy the Troll
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> > BBWWWAAAAHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!
>
> What about the oft-used "CDU" or "CUD"?
>
> Something about "pre-owned/pecuniarily effective/short-term" doesn't ring
> too well...
I prefer the CUD abbreviation myself.
Ray Tsai
>
> What about the oft-used "CDU" or "CUD"?
>
> Something about "pre-owned/pecuniarily effective/short-term" doesn't ring
> too well...
I like CRAP myself. "Hey buddy, go get yourself a CRAP bike. Yeah,
what you really need is a CRAP bike. Hey dude, how CRAP is your bike?
Is that bike CRAP or just plain crap?!!?!?!". The jokes just go on
and on...
cheap, replaceable, and powerless
Ray Tsai
-=潱emm=-
"herman" <o...@no.way> wrote in message
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> I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
> the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
> also heavyer than most 600's?
>
If you ride mostly on the road I would take a YZF600 over both of them.
If I ride my HD Softtail through a section of twisties faster than a squid
onna R6 (yes, has happened) does that make an HD Softtail a better Sportbike ?
herman
HD make a sport bike? heh
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Troy the Troll
No...it means both of you are probably slower than snot. Which is the
correct riding ability for a Hardley but NOT for an R6.
Kevin
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-=潱emm=-
> correct riding ability for a Hardley but NOT for an R6.
Gee. Im shocked. I woulda never expected this type of answer !
Dont worry, when you get a few more miles in and own a few more bikes
you might get it.
Troy the Troll
A few more miles? True, after 20 years of riding, I have racked up fewer
miles than I should have, particularly over the last 5 years. And a few more
bikes? My current bike count stands at something in the high teens, but
maybe that doesn't count to pathetically slow riders who count interstate
miles as more of a "quality" miles than track miles I suppose.
timeOday
The Ford Taurus is a great sports car too, as demonstrated weekly on the
NASCAR circuit. Second only, perhaps, to the mighty Chevy Lumina with Jeff
Gordon at the wheel. It just sets my heart aflutter to think we can
purchase these very same automobiles for personal use.
Troy the Troll
> The Ford Taurus is a great sports car too, as demonstrated weekly on the
> NASCAR circuit. Second only, perhaps, to the mighty Chevy Lumina with
Jeff
> Gordon at the wheel. It just sets my heart aflutter to think we can
> purchase these very same automobiles for personal use.
BWWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!
Good one! And NASCAR won't let Honda or Toyotsa even compete, don't want the
domestic brands shown up for the junk they are.
Michael Fell
wrote:
They don't want those crap import shoeboxes cluttering up the track.
Mike
Troy the Troll
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yup...cluttering up the track....thats all them Hondas and Toyota are good
for. Cluttering up the FRONT of the track I'm bettin.
Ka'avik BearCat
>> dealers do not allow people to ride them,
Same here, I believe. Buy used if you need to question the ergos,
aparently...
> Bummer. Dealers around here don't seem to have that attitude.
> [...]
> I don't think I could drop serious bucks on a bike without even riding
> it.
>
> Bruce
---
I normally would agree, but I'll just throw in that when I spent $2500
(and needed a loan to do that, btw) I bought a bike without throwing a leg
over it. I never had even _sat_ on a bike, so I just brougt a friend, who
gave it the OK, and road it home for me. Then I spent a few weeks riding
around the block before taking it on a longer ride, etc.
Strange way to start into motorcycling, but that was 2 years and ~20K mi.
ago...
Bearcat at saw net
SoCalMike
"Troy the Troll" <f4...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:wHFkb.832600$uu5.146548@sccrnsc04...
pretty much. put a modded out toyota/lexus RWD V8 in a custom chassis, and
throw a fiberglass camry shell on it, and within 5 years toyota would be on
all the wheaties boxes.
Jamin Kortegard
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> It also won plenty in World Supersport. I think that Fabian Foret
>> actually won a world title on it.
>>
>
> The Ford Taurus is a great sports car too, as demonstrated weekly on the
> NASCAR circuit. Second only, perhaps, to the mighty Chevy Lumina with Jeff
> Gordon at the wheel. It just sets my heart aflutter to think we can
> purchase these very same automobiles for personal use.
>
That analogy is completely bogus. The only Ford or Chevy part in those
Winston Cup cars is the engine block. And I guarantee that a NASCAR Chevy
Monte Carlo engine making 700-hp did not start out as a production Monte
Carlo engine.
The 600s raced in supersport, on the other hand, start as production bikes
and modified within the confines of the race rules.
Apples and oranges.
Andrew
In order for Chevy to be competitive in the IRL, they went outsourced a
Cosworth engine for their cars. It is kinda weird because Ford owns
Cosworth. So the Chevy's were running Ford engines in their IRL cars the
second half of this year. Crazy!
Michael Fell
Not if Cheverlet can help it. Screw Toyota. America knows how to
make a V8. Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
around the track.
Mike
Troy the Troll
> make a V8.
Which obviously doesn't mean dick considering they have to ban the
competition to keep from getting their asses kicked by 6 cylinders.
> Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
> around the track.
>
And now you hit apon it...the REAL reason NASCAR wants nothing to do with
having Accords and Camrys running around kicking the crap outta Taurus's and
Monte Carlo's....good ol' beer drinking nose pickers would have to go back
to watching professional wrestling on Sunday afternoons.
Michael Fell
wrote:
>> America knows how to
>> make a V8.
>
>Which obviously doesn't mean dick considering they have to ban the
>competition to keep from getting their asses kicked by 6 cylinders.
If you say so. The fact is in the auto world The Americans do very
well. Chevy is not Harley.
>
>
>> Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
>> around the track.
>>
>
>And now you hit apon it...the REAL reason NASCAR wants nothing to do with
>having Accords and Camrys running around kicking the crap outta Taurus's and
>Monte Carlo's....good ol' beer drinking nose pickers would have to go back
>to watching professional wrestling on Sunday afternoons.
perhaps. Why don't the Japanese or all the imports have their own
race? I mean why do they want to get in with what we got going? We
have our thing they can have theirs.
Real simple.
Mike
Troy the Troll
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:01:33 GMT, "Troy the Troll" <f4...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> America knows how to
> >> make a V8.
> >
> >Which obviously doesn't mean dick considering they have to ban the
> >competition to keep from getting their asses kicked by 6 cylinders.
>
> If you say so. The fact is in the auto world The Americans do very
> well. Chevy is not Harley.
You are right...but they can't hold a candle to Honda or Toyota. Junk is
junk Mike, there is a reason why Toyota was the third largest seller of
autos and trucks in August of 2003, bumping Chrysler out of the "Big Three".
> >
> >
> >> Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
> >> around the track.
> >>
> >
> >And now you hit apon it...the REAL reason NASCAR wants nothing to do with
> >having Accords and Camrys running around kicking the crap outta Taurus's
and
> >Monte Carlo's....good ol' beer drinking nose pickers would have to go
back
> >to watching professional wrestling on Sunday afternoons.
>
> perhaps. Why don't the Japanese or all the imports have their own
> race?
They do...its called Formula One, and after Honda got down kicking
everybodys ass in the 90's, Ferrari took over for them. I seem to recall
Honda and Toyota kicking Ford and Chevy right out of CART racing as
well...poor domestics...
> I mean why do they want to get in with what we got going? We
> have our thing they can have theirs.
>
We have our thing....and since "our" thing is so bad, when the Ranger breaks
I'm going back to get a QUALITY American built Toyota Tundra.
> Real simple.
yup. Best built, highest quality American made truck out there.
Jamin Kortegard
> perhaps. Why don't the Japanese or all the imports have their own
> race? I mean why do they want to get in with what we got going? We
> have our thing they can have theirs.
I saw part of the Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta this weekend, where there
were all sorts of cars racing against each other. Corvettes, Vipers, Mazdas
Porsches, Ferraris, lots of others in several classes. Then there was the
WRC Rally of Corsica, which had cars made by Ford, Peugeot, Citröen, Subaru,
Mitsubishi and one or two others I can't remember.
Why exclude certain auto makers from any type of racing, provided they can
field a race car that meets the requirements of the racing organization? New
participants would just make the racing that much more interesting.
Of course, that may be a point of view not shared by the more xenophobic
NASCAR fans.
Kurt Kesler
@yahoo.com says...
>
> Not if Cheverlet can help it. Screw Toyota. America knows how to
> make a V8. Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
> around the track.
>
> Mike
Sounds like it's time to trade that Buell in on a Wide Glide and go hang
with the poseurs. Maybe kick over a few "Jap crap" bikes while you are
at it.
--
Kurt Kesler
Kurt Kesler
jkort...@notmymail.com says...
> on 10/20/03 7:55 PM, Michael Fell wrote:
>
> > perhaps. Why don't the Japanese or all the imports have their own
> > race? I mean why do they want to get in with what we got going? We
> > have our thing they can have theirs.
>
> I saw part of the Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta this weekend, where there
> were all sorts of cars racing against each other. Corvettes, Vipers, Mazdas
> Porsches, Ferraris, lots of others in several classes. Then there was the
> WRC Rally of Corsica, which had cars made by Ford, Peugeot, Citröen, Subaru,
> Mitsubishi and one or two others I can't remember.
Skoda! Hyundai also but they are pulling out or WRC for a year or so
(they have had a really bad couple of seasons in WRC, whereas they just
won the manufacturers championship in the SCCA).
>
> Why exclude certain auto makers from any type of racing, provided they can
> field a race car that meets the requirements of the racing organization? New
> participants would just make the racing that much more interesting.
>
Why indeed. Maybe because those foreign companies don't mind dedicating
the resources neccesary to win. Wasn't Honda's slogan in Europe "Honda
races, Honda wins!" at the same time we in the US were getting "You meet
the nicest people"? I think it's also an anti-Japanese thing, as I
don't think we would see the same furor if it were BMW or VW.
> Of course, that may be a point of view not shared by the more xenophobic
> NASCAR fans.
You have probably touched on the heart of the matter. It doesn't really
matter, though, as you can be assured the NASCAR rules body will make
certain Nascar racing will remain the US equivalent of the "Ducati Cup".
--
Kurt Kesler
Michael
[snip]
> Not if Cheverlet can help it. Screw Toyota. America knows how to
> make a V8. Nascar wouldn't be the same with that Jap crap running
> around the track.
Hmmn. That's a strange attitude to have. Don't you drive a Toyota?
-- Michael
Jamin Kortegard
>> Of course, that may be a point of view not shared by the more xenophobic
>> NASCAR fans.
>
> You have probably touched on the heart of the matter. It doesn't really
> matter, though, as you can be assured the NASCAR rules body will make
> certain Nascar racing will remain the US equivalent of the "Ducati Cup".
>
I suspect that's right, however I believe I read in a recent issue of Sports
Illustrated that Toyota or Nissan is going to compete in the NASCAR
Craftsman Truck Series next season. I haven't watched much truck racing, but
maybe this could set a precedent for other NASCAR series.
Dan Carter
> Jamin Kortegard wrote:
>
>> Why exclude certain auto makers from any type of racing, provided they can
>> field a race car that meets the requirements of the racing organization? New
>> participants would just make the racing that much more interesting.
>
> Why indeed. Maybe because those foreign companies don't mind dedicating
> the resources neccesary to win. Wasn't Honda's slogan in Europe "Honda
> races, Honda wins!" at the same time we in the US were getting "You meet
> the nicest people"? I think it's also an anti-Japanese thing, as I
> don't think we would see the same furor if it were BMW or VW.
Or DaimlerChrysler's "Dodge".
>> Of course, that may be a point of view not shared by the more xenophobic
>> NASCAR fans.
>
> You have probably touched on the heart of the matter. It doesn't really
> matter, though, as you can be assured the NASCAR rules body will make
> certain Nascar racing will remain the US equivalent of the "Ducati Cup".
You bet. NASCAR has developed a forumla that works. It's not motor
racing, it's 180mph soap opera. Anything that might diminish fan
interest or TV ratings will be dealt with quickly and harshly--just as
AMA did when Honda began to win flat track races in the 1980s. The
rules NASCAR will invent to handicap outsiders will be technically
opaque but transparent in effect: "Any machine originating on a
continent populated by slanty-eyed bastards will not be allowed to win
races."
--
Dan Carter, San Luis Obispo, CA
Michael
<silence ensues>
The irony?
Mike drives a Pontiac Vibe. This is made in the Toyota NUMMI
plant here in California:
http://www.nummi.com/vibe.html
So the great defender of the domestics drives a rebadged _Toyota_!
Oh, the shame. ;-)
-- Michael
R kristafr
bike" is either a fool or a lier or both, don't listen to them,,
I' have two R6's of my own and am doing a custom 03 F4i and the honda is KICK
ass ride,.. pick the bike you like and to hell with what the squids say!
dr speed
>>>>I've been looking into the bike and most people are saying go R6, because
the F4i is more of a touring bike with an upright seating position. It is
also heavyer than most 600's?
What do you all think?