THIS is a BREAK IN???
Whoa_Dude
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Break-in Guidelines
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Help assure your motorcycle's future
reliability and performance by paying
extra attention to how you ride during the
first 300 miles (500 km).
During this period, avoid full-throttle
starts and rapid acceleration.
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That's IT??? The way I figure, Honda, giving "advice" like this, must
want folks to ruin their engines as quickly as possible. Am I nuts for
"pampering" my RR 'till it gets at least 600 miles on it? I guess I'm
not on a Ducati anymore, eh? Now, I guess I've gotta figure out how to
spend all that money I would've spent getting the Duck adjusted every
3-6K miles . . . let's see, aluminum can, new set of boots - oh yes, a
bed would be nice for the garage (since the wife thinks I'm better off
sleeping with the RR - not to worry, she'll get over it - perhaps a cot
would do during this "interim" phase) . . .
Oh, BTW, anyone in the market for unused passenger pegs for a '99 RR?
No, I didn't buy this thing so I could transfer my Aunt Martha to the
market every Tuesday - that's what the Volvo is for - sheesh!!!
Besides, Aunt Martha keeps wanting to sit "side-saddle" - so
embarrassing!!! She DOES make awesome apple pies, though.
Later.
myst...@mindspring.com
Whoa_Dude wrote in message <3831FCB5.E87975E7@whoa_dudes.com>...
>I'm not making this up - 1999 CBR900RR Owner's Manual - page 194:
>
>START +++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Break-in Guidelines
>--------------------------------------
>Help assure your motorcycle's future
>reliability and performance by paying
>extra attention to how you ride during the
>first 300 miles (500 km).
>
>During this period, avoid full-throttle
>starts and rapid acceleration.
>
>END +++++++++++++++++++++++
Sounds about right.
>That's IT??? The way I figure, Honda, giving "advice" like this, must
>want folks to ruin their engines as quickly as possible. Am I nuts for
>"pampering" my RR 'till it gets at least 600 miles on it
No, you're not nuts, but such pampering is probably not necessary. Odds are
that you probably can't hurt that Honda engine no matter what you do during
the break-in period, unless, of course, you overheat it. The old days of
seating the rings through cautious, easy operation are pretty well passe' on
most modern Japanese and European bikes. (Statement does not apply to
American big-twins, by the way.) The break-in caveat in your Honda's manual
is essentially predicated on the belief that if something does go wrong, you
won't destroy the engine if you're keeping things toned down a bit. But
things seldom do go wrong on those engines. You probably can run the piss
out of it from the get-go without doing any harm, but I wouldn't if I were
you. I'd follow their instructions to the letter, and at 301 miles let 'er
rip. Pretty much what I did with my VFR.
Jeff
IRoNiCDuDe
10k at times until 800 miles....tho it was called for...i still did it...most
of the people i know break their motor in like they ride it...and they got high
miles on their bikes.....still run just like the day they bought
em....also....i dont think the motor and stuff will get hot enough to hurt
anything....being that the fan turns on before the motor gets too hot.
James Greaves
300 miles and go for it! Modern machining & manufacturing is so good now
that long break-ins are a thing of the past.
The new coatings on the cylinders are so wear resistant, that the
rings must have a fit/finish that is almost perfect to begin with,
otherwise they would never break in. I drove my bike hard after
following the 300 mile break-in and everything was fine.
JIM
Erik Astrup
>Help assure your motorcycle's future
>reliability and performance by paying
>extra attention to how you ride during the
>first 300 miles (500 km).
>
>During this period, avoid full-throttle
>starts and rapid acceleration.
>
>END +++++++++++++++++++++++
>That's IT??? The way I figure, Honda, giving "advice" like this, must
>want folks to ruin their engines as quickly as possible.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Honda is hoping that the engines
fail so people make lots of warranty claims, and Honda's reputation
for making solid machines goes in the dumper.
Since you find Honda's "advice" to be so wrong. What pray
tell will you do for break in instead?
> Am I nuts for
>"pampering" my RR 'till it gets at least 600 miles on it?
There's no reason to pamper the bike. Honda has finally
dumped the idiotic artificial mileage break in steps. Others
will soon follow.
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Erik Astrup - Team Iguana Racing (Ret)
1995 Triumph Tiger
1997 Triumph Speed Triple
"It's such a fine line between stupid and...And clever."
http://www.mother.com/~eastrup/
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jmar...@my-deja.com
Nobody knows Honda engines better than Honda! Do what they say and you
can't go wrong. People need to rip those imbedded notions in their
minds that it takes 1,000+ miles to break-in a modern engine. Even
mechanics can't get over it! Listen to the engineers and designers
that made the engine and not to some dinasour that can't break an old
habit.
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Before you buy.
dno...@yahoo.com
the bike under 6,000 rpm’s till the first service at 625 miles.
My dealer told me to take up to max, 10500 rpm’s, which would actually
HELP the bike break in better and help it down the line. He said there
is no way I could hurt the engine. If there was a problem with the
engine, it wouldn’t make it outa the parking lot.
I stayed around 6,000 rpm’s for the first 300 or so miles, and after
that I have been riding it like I would normally. To include the
occasional speed blast and trip through some back roads.
Bike just keeps getting’ meaner. That first service is going to be
tomorrow or Sat. by the latest. I don’t expect anything out of the
ordinary.
dan b
Kawidood
I FINALLY did my 600 miles service yesterday( i changed brake pads too) and
although kawasaki recommends to keep the engine below 4000 for the first 500
miles, i didn't do that, but i didn't get above 8,000. My mechanic said for
every 100 miles i could rev up 1000 rpm. And i did about that. I think
kawasaki/honda/whoever else knows their stuff better than anyone in this NG.
THEY know what the engine is made of. Maybe they use some sort of metal alloy
that doesn't fully expand or whatever until a certain amount of heat cycles has
occured. They know how they built the engine and they know what's best for your
engine. But they are deffinately on the VERY safe side!! I would suggest for
the first 600 or so miles be more gentle than u normally would and then after
1000, do with it as u will!!!!
good luck!
99 zx-6e
NTG
> There's no reason to pamper the bike. Honda has finally
> dumped the idiotic artificial mileage break in steps. Others
> will soon follow.
>
Does this apply to the recommended 8000mi interval for oil and filter
changes that's listed in my VFR owner's manual, too?
That could certainly save a few bucks on PM costs.
--
Nate
'99 VFR 800FI
"It ain't just the Arrow -- it's the Injun"
Erik Astrup
>Erik Wrote:
>> There's no reason to pamper the bike. Honda has finally
>> dumped the idiotic artificial mileage break in steps. Others
>> will soon follow.
>>
>
>Does this apply to the recommended 8000mi interval for oil and filter
>changes that's listed in my VFR owner's manual, too?
>
>That could certainly save a few bucks on PM costs.
The topic of oil, and the frequency oil changes is
more controversial than 2nd amendment or abortion rights arguments.
I'm not EVEN going there.
Let's discuss the right of a gun owner to shoot an
unborn child instead.
NTG
> The topic of oil, and the frequency oil changes is
> more controversial than 2nd amendment or abortion rights arguments.
>
> I'm not EVEN going there.
>
> Let's discuss the right of a gun owner to shoot an
> unborn child instead.
>
Sage advice. You could make a quality run for the White House on a
platform like that, (at least the oil arguement).
If a politician is going to say nothing, they should at least say it
well. ;)
Horst Hinz
It's run great all the time, I don't baby it at all. I've got 27,000Km on
it now, and it's still going as strong as day one. I just got it dyno'd
this year... RWHP 118.7 about average for a 900RR with just a pipe and jet
kit.
The Hornet
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'96 CBR-900RR MVR Carbon Fiber/Ceramic Coated Pipe, K&N Filter, Jetted
check out http://www.hornet.bc.ca for some excellent bike pics.
Whoa_Dude wrote in message <3831FCB5.E87975E7@whoa_dudes.com>...
>I'm not making this up - 1999 CBR900RR Owner's Manual - page 194:
>
>START +++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Break-in Guidelines
>--------------------------------------
>Help assure your motorcycle's future
>reliability and performance by paying
>extra attention to how you ride during the
>first 300 miles (500 km).
>
>During this period, avoid full-throttle
>starts and rapid acceleration.
>
>END +++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>That's IT??? The way I figure, Honda, giving "advice" like this, must
Pobirsm
that unless you wish for a short engine life ,and I do mean SHORT! you will not
only follow these requirements but also a lot of short various rpm rides
,Allowing the engine to cool off between rides . I have always followed his
advice on this matter and I`m pleased to say my engines always seem to last
much longer than all my buddies who think ( used to at least) this is b.s. and
yes I ride as hard if not harder than them . if only I could stop blowing out
2nd gear, I find it difficult to shift from 1st to 3rd in a wheelie !
Erik Astrup
>My baby brother who is a respected Honda factory trained tech. assures you
>that unless you wish for a short engine life ,and I do mean SHORT! you will not
>only follow these requirements but also a lot of short various rpm rides
>,Allowing the engine to cool off between rides . I have always followed his
>advice on this matter and
>I`m pleased to say my engines always seem to last much longer than all my
>buddies who think ( used to at least) this is b.s. and yes I ride as hard if not harder than them .
And how many miles have you put on your engines?
>if only I could stop blowing out
>2nd gear, I find it difficult to shift from 1st to 3rd in a wheelie !
Yeah, well, you're one to give advice about break in.
myst...@mindspring.com
Pobirsm wrote in message
<19991121230031...@ng-fm1.news.cs.com>...
>My baby brother who is a respected Honda factory trained tech. assures you
>that unless you wish for a short engine life ,and I do mean SHORT! you will
not
>only follow these requirements but also a lot of short various rpm rides
>,Allowing the engine to cool off between rides . I have always followed his
>advice on this matter and I`m pleased to say my engines always seem to last
>much longer than all my buddies who think ( used to at least) this is b.s.
and
out
>2nd gear, I find it difficult to shift from 1st to 3rd in a wheelie !
Could it be that, for legal reasons, your baby brother is *instructed* to
tell people that by American Honda Motor Company, so when people bring in
their engines which suffer from early demise they can disclaim any
responsibility, blaming the rider instead for *improper break-in*? Just a
thought.
Jeff
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