GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR writing on walls
Nic
As yet I haven't caught her drawing on the walls, (somehow my back is always
turned)
Anyway After she coloured her computer and kitchen cupboards she lost all
pencil and crayon rights for a week. DH said it should be longer..I thought
a week was enough. ..She seem to understand that is what is going to happen
if she is naughty with crayons/pencils.
Now today whilst I am feeding my DS my DD has drawn all over her wall in her
bedroom and her cupboards so now I am furious. (even more so as the
cupboards are white and it is green crayon) I feel she should lose rights to
her crayons and pencils for a month now... but I think it sounds to long a
time. I dont really want to tell DH as Im sure he will say much longer and
really want to take a harder line with her. I agree but then again how is
she ever going to learn if she never has anything to draw with ever....
How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
How does DD learn that I am serious and I hate having to clean it up ?
How do you get crayon of painted pine furniture ?
How do you ger crayon of computer ?
How did you deal with it with you kids ?
Or am I just the one in one million who chooses to draw on everything but
books or papers.
She seems to understand the idea or notion that you dont draw on walls and
she can tell me this and even points to the naughty writing and says "sorry
only books mum " But getting her to clean it off the walls is hopeless
(tryed that thinking it might work if she realised how I have to scrub em to
clean em)
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my vent
Any idea's or help will be fantastic at this moment.
Nicole
Mum to a 3 month old beautiful boy (and a naughty girl turning 3 soon)
michelle downunder
<Nlm...@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au (remove No spam to reply)> wrote:
>How do you get crayon of painted pine furniture ?
>How do you ger crayon of computer ?
coles bleach gel worked for me, you have to do it the same day
Michelle
Night Owl
> How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
Not always easy to do. Can you give her a space where she *can* crayon and
write on the wall... say paper or a board on the wall? You seem to be
fighting an uphill battle taking things away and not letting her have some
creative expression. I did this at one point and I know it is futile to
restrict like that.
> How does DD learn that I am serious and I hate having to clean it up ?
>
> How do you get crayon of painted pine furniture ?
I'm sure someone will give you some advice but wd-4o or an oily cleaner like
Murphys oil soap do wonders on most things with crayon.
> How do you ger crayon of computer ?
see above.
>
> How did you deal with it with you kids ?
I was doing what you do until I came across my sil who let the kids have a
wall and said to me "you can paint it and they need space to be creative".
It didn't stop them from writing other places but I think it greatly helped
both of us to channel the frustration of this act. I could direct them to a
place to write instead of being punishing and they had a place to be
creative.
But they only used crayons and pens with supervision.
> Or am I just the one in one million who chooses to draw on everything but
> books or papers.
>
> She seems to understand the idea or notion that you dont draw on walls and
> she can tell me this and even points to the naughty writing and says
"sorry
> only books mum " But getting her to clean it off the walls is hopeless
> (tryed that thinking it might work if she realised how I have to scrub em
to
> clean em)
>
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my vent
> Any idea's or help will be fantastic at this moment.
Something will work Nicole... hang in there!
Anni
Truffles
<snip>
> How do you get crayon of painted pine furniture ?
> How do you ger crayon of computer ?
Try this site:
http://www.crayola.com/canwehelp/staintips/stain.cfm
> How did you deal with it with you kids ?
> Or am I just the one in one million who chooses to draw on everything but
> books or papers.
I don't let my twins have crayons. They have the washable markers.
> She seems to understand the idea or notion that you dont draw on walls and
> she can tell me this and even points to the naughty writing and says "sorry
> only books mum " But getting her to clean it off the walls is hopeless
> (tryed that thinking it might work if she realised how I have to scrub em to
> clean em)
This article will explain why toddlers have trouble with rules.
http://www.todaysparent.com/article.jsp?cId=1266693
--
Brigitte
SAHM to Katerina and Joshua
October 20, 2001
http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/joshuaandkaterina/
Nic
> :-)Any idea's or help will be fantastic at this moment.
> :-)
> :-)Nicole
> :-)
> :-)Mum to a 3 month old beautiful boy (and a naughty girl turning 3 soon)
> :-)
>
>
> eep
> no real suggestions except what my brother and sil do... they leave no
> child unsupervised with crayons etc till they are at least four...
> until then the only unsupervised drawing instrument is chalks and a
> blackboard... this is what we are going to try with Tyler.... it's
> just tooooo tempting for their little minds when there are all these
> lovely surfaces to try drawing on!
> Sue
> DS 27 April 2001
Yeah looks like Im going to have to do the same thing. She has had crayons
for as long as I can remeber and it is only now in the last 2 weeks she does
this... Dare I ask ...did it not enter her mind early that she could try and
draw else where ?....
I wonder whom she picked it up from or got it from as none in the family
draws on the walls (as we are all adults and no one has kids)
> --
> It is not giving children more that spoils them;
> it is giving them more to avoid confrontation.
> John Gray, "Children Are From Heaven"
Nic
>
> > How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
>
> Not always easy to do. Can you give her a space where she *can* crayon
and
> write on the wall... say paper or a board on the wall? You seem to be
> fighting an uphill battle taking things away and not letting her have some
> creative expression. I did this at one point and I know it is futile to
> restrict like that.
>
I hate doing it but I would rather say a week without something than
smacking her as she then hits back and so on and so one...... and pointless
in the end.....but baning something I can remind her for the whole week when
she asks for it...nope you did this or that ...and that is what
happens...etc... 2 more days til you get it etc....
> > How did you deal with it with you kids ?
>
> I was doing what you do until I came across my sil who let the kids have a
> wall and said to me "you can paint it and they need space to be creative".
> It didn't stop them from writing other places but I think it greatly
helped
> both of us to channel the frustration of this act. I could direct them to
a
> place to write instead of being punishing and they had a place to be
> creative.
>
To me DD is the kind I could give her a whole wall to draw on and she will
still look for other walls to draw on or other things. I could direct her to
something else but in the end she will stil want to show me how creative her
work was. She even now points to almost the excat spot on the kitchen door
where she did draw but isn't there anymore as I removed it.
>
> Something will work Nicole... hang in there!
Yeah just repainted about 2/3 rds of her bedroom wall as using stuff was
taking the paint of the wall. Now she is locked out of her room whilst paint
dries and it seems to be bothering her even more now!
toto
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>Ok seems DD is pushing me to the limits big time
>
>As yet I haven't caught her drawing on the walls, (somehow my back is always
>turned)
>Anyway After she coloured her computer and kitchen cupboards she lost all
>pencil and crayon rights for a week. DH said it should be longer..I thought
>a week was enough. ..She seem to understand that is what is going to happen
>if she is naughty with crayons/pencils.
>
She is not being *naughty* though. She is exploring and impulsive
which is typical 3 y o behavior.
>Now today whilst I am feeding my DS my DD has drawn all over her wall in her
>bedroom and her cupboards so now I am furious. (even more so as the
>cupboards are white and it is green crayon) I feel she should lose rights to
>her crayons and pencils for a month now... but I think it sounds to long a
>time. I dont really want to tell DH as Im sure he will say much longer and
>really want to take a harder line with her. I agree but then again how is
>she ever going to learn if she never has anything to draw with ever....
>
She won't.
A better idea is to be proactive. Create an area of the room where
you put up paper on the wall or an easel and let her color on that.
Threes need large areas to use their arms and hands when coloring.
Note too that instead of saying don't color on the walls, saying
we color on the paper works better usually.
Supervise her when she is drawing. Put the crayons away except
when you can watch her. If she moves away from the area where
she is coloring, assume she is done and put the crayons away. Also,
do hang her drawings where you can see them and write her name
on them (she's the artist). If she can write her letters, let her put
her own name on the pictures. She may be able to hang them from
her walls with tape herself too.
She may be doing this to get your attention back on her as well.
If you are busy and distracted, coloring on the wall is a good way
to get you to react.
Noting too that this began recently and you have a new baby,
it is possible that there is some underlying sibling rivalry going
on if she is doing this when you are busy with the baby.
Only you can figure out what is underneath the behavior because
you are the mom and you know your child. If it has a little to do
with the new baby, try spending time alone with her doing *big girl*
things that the baby cannot do. Coloring is one such activity, so
maybe you can sit down and color with her. Scribble though don't
try to draw things for her as that may discourage her from trying to
make things on her own. Try things like rubbings with her or get
some more interesting things to do art with, like finger paints or
water colors. There are paint with water activity books that are
not messy and that are also fun for this age.
>How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
>How does DD learn that I am serious and I hate having to clean it up ?
>
>How do you get crayon of painted pine furniture ?
>How do you ger crayon of computer ?
>
Quick way to remove crayon from the wall
Spray WD-40 on a clean cloth.
Wipe it over the crayon.
Wipe bleach over the crayon, if you do not have WD-40
Some other methods that work, but are better when
you want her to do it.
Baking soda is great for removing crayon marks on painted
surfaces--and even on plastic surfaces. Just sprinkle a small
amount on a damp sponge or wash cloth and wipe the area.
Children use crayons on painted walls??? - Use toothpaste
to clean it. Put a little toothpaste on a soft toothbrush, wet and
lightly scrub. Wipe down the wall with a damp rag.
>How did you deal with it with you kids ?
>Or am I just the one in one million who chooses to draw on
>everything but books or papers.
>
>She seems to understand the idea or notion that you dont draw
>on walls and she can tell me this and even points to the naughty
>writing and says "sorry only books mum " But getting her to clean
>it off the walls is hopeless (tryed that thinking it might work if she
>realised how I have to scrub em to clean em)
Why is it hopeless? Sure it takes more time, but it is a logical
thing to have her help you clean it.
>
>grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my vent
>Any idea's or help will be fantastic at this moment.
>
>Nicole
>
>Mum to a 3 month old beautiful boy (and a naughty girl turning 3 soon)
>
Dorothy
--
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits
SarahH
> Ok seems DD is pushing me to the limits big time
>
> As yet I haven't caught her drawing on the walls, (somehow my back is always
> turned)
>
> How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
> How does DD learn that I am serious and I hate having to clean it up ?
>
>
> Nicole
>
> Mum to a 3 month old beautiful boy (and a naughty girl turning 3 soon)
These are my thoughts Nicole - shove them in the trash can if you like <G>
I think that even a week is a very long time to be banning something for a 3
year old. Think back to when you were tiny. lol for me even one hymn being sang
at church seemed to last a year! It sounds like your dd is very creative and
taking away all her pens is probably making a lot worse. when she gets them back
she had all those creative juices all bottled up and waiting to explode!
So maybe a 2 pronged attack is the way. A couple of times a day sit her down
with paper, pens, playdough, glue, anything you can think of really. Carefully
supervise, but dont suggest, just let her get on with it. lots and lots of
praise for anything particularly good but dont praise indiscrimantly so she
understands that random scribbles dont get results.
Then of course you have the dealings with when she does draw in the wrong place.
I would go for the silent ignore way. If you see something she has done, Id try
without a word, picking her up, showing her whats shes done in a very icy,
silent way. Then tell her you are putting her in time out. Put her into her
timeout place (I think the 'experts' recommend 1min/year of their age) without
another word. Dont talk to her or give her attention until youve cleaned up.
Of course you might have tried all this. If so just ignore my peculiar
ramblings. They are some ideas anyhows.
Sarah
--
"Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: Only love can do that."
-Martin Luther King
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> Okay, here's my opinion... I think the week was too long, so I'll
> definitely think a month is way far out there :-)
> But, my reasoning is that I don't think many 3 (or soon to be) 3's are
> really able to think long-term. I know my 3.1 yo wouldn't be able to
> understand beyond my taking her crayons and putting them away at that
> time. She just wouldn't understand "you can't have them for a week
> because you colored on the wall". Because, once she got them back,
> she'd be back to coloring wherever she pleased ;-)
>
> So, my advice is to not let your 3 yo have her crayons, unsupervised.
(snip)
me too. i kept them out of reach until the youngest wouldn't do anything
awful with them while nobody was looking. it's that easy, really. i also
remind/ed them "draw *on the paper*." this command means every other surface
is not for drawing, 'nuff said.
scissors are still out of reach of children at our house. this, too, needs
no explanation. it's just the rule :-)
kylie
Karen and Joe
her drawing instruments to something that washes off easily and let her draw
on walls for a bit (am I really saying this!), ignore it, then wash it off.
It may be she does it because she knows it "pushes your buttons" and if you
don't react to it she may lose interest.
Of course, we can't ignore everything naughty they do but *if* she does it
for a reaction then removing the reaction may extinguish the behavior.
And of course, she could then turn to something else to get the reaction...
Good luck
K
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Christine & Steve
over her brother - even subconsiously and crayons on the walls gets your
attention.
i reckon take them off her for only unsupervised special play, as others
have suggestd.
she might just find something else to push your buttons - my girl friend;s
daughter waits until she has been sent to her room to do wee.....grrr!!!
oh, and you are SO not the only one in this boat!!!
christine
with nearly 3 boy and 7 month boy
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Nic
> These are my thoughts Nicole - shove them in the trash can if you like <G>
>
involved.
>
> I think that even a week is a very long time to be banning something for a
3
> year old. Think back to when you were tiny. lol for me even one hymn being
sang
> at church seemed to last a year! It sounds like your dd is very creative
and
> taking away all her pens is probably making a lot worse. when she gets
them back
> she had all those creative juices all bottled up and waiting to explode!
>
I thought one week was to long myself, I said to her 3 days (originally) but
she never asked for em after 4 days and Dh said it wasn't long enough,
somehow 7 days was picked.... Now DH is ready to thro them in the bin never
to see em again....where as Im a bit more patient than that. There is still
crayon on her cupboards but as yet I haven't worked out how to get it of
stained pine (seems it has soaked thou, so repainting a totally different
colour might be our only option, which pisses me of to say the least)
> So maybe a 2 pronged attack is the way. A couple of times a day sit her
down
> with paper, pens, playdough, glue, anything you can think of really.
Carefully
> supervise, but dont suggest, just let her get on with it. lots and lots of
> praise for anything particularly good but dont praise indiscrimantly so
she
> understands that random scribbles dont get results.
>
I guess we are lacking, she doesn't have playdough, glue or anything else
majorly messy or fun as she hasn't been into it and she does get to do it
weekly at daycare and seems content with that as she never askes for it even
thou we have paint, glue etc here at home. (and its sitting where she can
see em and knows what they are for) I guess cause we have puzzles, games,
going shopping, visiting nana's or friends and books, she is content in that
way.
> Then of course you have the dealings with when she does draw in the wrong
place.
> I would go for the silent ignore way. If you see something she has done,
Id try
> without a word, picking her up, showing her whats shes done in a very icy,
> silent way. Then tell her you are putting her in time out. Put her into
her
> timeout place (I think the 'experts' recommend 1min/year of their age)
without
> another word. Dont talk to her or give her attention until youve cleaned
up.
>
With most things she gets the stern raised voice by me and the go to your
room for 5 mins. If she dont go I pick her up and put her in there. usually
9 out of ten times she wanders out after a few mins but she has the idea and
once again most times learns not to do it again and I dont push the 5 mins
by clock (where as Dh would time exactly 5 mins)
> Of course you might have tried all this. If so just ignore my peculiar
> ramblings. They are some ideas anyhows.
>
ramblings are good...I am always learning something from someone on this
group about something or other. And it also makes me be a better mum I think
as I can sit and reflect on what I have done and try to avoid it. Where as I
think Dh is to strict on somethings but as most of the time he isn't around
he doesn't have to deal with it. Sometimes I feel I just have to say wait
till dad see's how naughty you are...and she will stop misbehaving right
away.
Im sure when DH is older and even maybe myself we will look back and go I
wish we did this or maybe would should have done that...but for the moment,
If the kids are happy, It works then Im happy.
Nicole <--who now has AF and thinks that is probley why Im soo pissed about
her drawings on cupboard.
michelle downunder
<s...@REMOVETHISbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>oh, and you are SO not the only one in this boat!!!
hehehe
after mitchell recoloured the walls i replaced unsupervised pencils
etc with chalk.
Michelle
--
Reality Check and Mate, never underestimate a woman
Deena Survivor V
Nic
> not that it helps any, but remember she is trying to gain your attention
> over her brother - even subconsiously and crayons on the walls gets your
> attention.
>
> i reckon take them off her for only unsupervised special play, as others
> have suggestd.
>
> she might just find something else to push your buttons - my girl friend;s
> daughter waits until she has been sent to her room to do wee.....grrr!!!
>
along, someone (DD) decided that their clothes or floor was better for
doing wee. She learnt pretty soon that I was going to change her and clean
up the floor and pretty much ignore any complaints she might have had about
it and go back to feeding DS. Needless to say she now tells me when DS needs
changing and tells me he has done wee's (even when he dont need changing or
hasn't done wee's)
> oh, and you are SO not the only one in this boat!!!
>
> christine
> with nearly 3 boy and 7 month boy
my nearly 3 is turning 3 in the first week of may..Is your a may also ?
silvasurfa
"Nic" (remove No
> She seems to understand the idea or notion that you dont draw on walls and
> she can tell me this and even points to the naughty writing and says
"sorry
> only books mum " But getting her to clean it off the walls is hopeless
> (tryed that thinking it might work if she realised how I have to scrub em
to
> clean em)
>
> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr my vent
> Any idea's or help will be fantastic at this moment.
>
> Nicole
>
> Mum to a 3 month old beautiful boy (and a naughty girl turning 3 soon)
>
>
When my preschooler won't put enough effort into helping me clean up a mess
she has made, I put her in timeout until I've finished tidying up. I'm a
bitch of a mother aren't I?
Stara Baba
Does she have a place where she CAN draw? Not a "coloring book" but
maybe a big easel with cheap paper. Can you confine her artistic
endeavors to a controlled environment? Let her draw only in your
presence? Withholding for 30 days sounds like a life sentence to a
toddler.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com>
New Sam 2/23/03.
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
go...@ivillage.com
> Ok seems DD is pushing me to the limits big time
> As yet I haven't caught her drawing on the walls, (somehow my back is always
> turned)
> Anyway After she coloured her computer and kitchen cupboards she lost all
> pencil and crayon rights for a week. DH said it should be longer..I thought
> a week was enough. ..She seem to understand that is what is going to happen
> if she is naughty with crayons/pencils.
<snip rest of story about wall art>
I have absolutely nothing helpful to add here, just wanted to throw in my
little rant. When I was about 6 and my brother was about 2, he got a hold
of one of my markers and colored a 2-year-old level stripe down the
hallway leading to the bathroom and on the bathroom door. What makes me
mad is that *I* got in trouble for it! It still makes me mad. I got in
trouble because it was my marker. I think he should have gotten in trouble
for ruining my brown marker and for writing on the walls.
I feel like going off and pouting in a corner just thinking about it! I
may have to confront my Mom on this one! ;)
Manda
Night Owl
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>
>
> >
> > > How do I tell DD this time that I wont tollerate it anymore ?
> >
> > Not always easy to do. Can you give her a space where she *can* crayon
> and
> > write on the wall... say paper or a board on the wall? You seem to be
> > fighting an uphill battle taking things away and not letting her have
some
> > creative expression. I did this at one point and I know it is futile to
> > restrict like that.
> >
> I hate doing it but I would rather say a week without something than
> smacking her as she then hits back and so on and so one...... and
pointless
> in the end.....but baning something I can remind her for the whole week
when
> she asks for it...nope you did this or that ...and that is what
> happens...etc... 2 more days til you get it etc....
If banning works that is great but if it doesn't you may rethink the plan.
I know with my dd I had to watch her and could hardly blame her if she
doodled when I let her out of my sight when she had crayons under the age of
say 5 (different for different kids when they finally learn better skill on
paper and it can occupy them). I had to learn a few things too about how
kids operate. It's natural for them to take to the walls... they are nice
open space.
> > > How did you deal with it with you kids ?
> >
> > I was doing what you do until I came across my sil who let the kids have
a
> > wall and said to me "you can paint it and they need space to be
creative".
> > It didn't stop them from writing other places but I think it greatly
> helped
> > both of us to channel the frustration of this act. I could direct them
to
> a
> > place to write instead of being punishing and they had a place to be
> > creative.
> >
> To me DD is the kind I could give her a whole wall to draw on and she will
> still look for other walls to draw on or other things.
that sounds normal but if you supervise her this can be fun and she won't go
off the wall you give her.
I could direct her to
> something else but in the end she will stil want to show me how creative
her
> work was. She even now points to almost the excat spot on the kitchen door
> where she did draw but isn't there anymore as I removed it.
LOL! I have a few doors that my dd hit several times. I left one of them
so we could see her art for years to come. She's 6 now and I cherish it.
>
> >
> > Something will work Nicole... hang in there!
>
> Yeah just repainted about 2/3 rds of her bedroom wall as using stuff was
> taking the paint of the wall. Now she is locked out of her room whilst
paint
> dries and it seems to be bothering her even more now!
that can be a pain! I hope you can work something out with your little
artist!
((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))
Anni
Marc
> her crayons and pencils for a month now... but I think it sounds to long a
> time. I dont really want to tell DH as Im sure he will say much longer and
> really want to take a harder line with her. I agree but then again how is
> she ever going to learn if she never has anything to draw with ever....
the idea of drawing already. And make her help with the cleaning - that's
what cured my 2 off it. It took three goes of cleaning it up for my DD - the
last time by herself - and one go with my son - and they were cured. They
were each about 2 1/2 at the time.
If she's too young, then she can only have them when you're sitting with
her. You've enough on your plate without having to clean walls and pcs.
Marc - really hate people drawing anywhere they're not supposed to.
Marc
> When my preschooler won't put enough effort into helping me clean up a
mess
> she has made, I put her in timeout until I've finished tidying up. I'm a
> bitch of a mother aren't I?
>
mess is sorted. Doesn't quite explain why the house still looks a mess, but
at least none of it is dirt mess, IYKWIM.
Marc