UNDERGROUND BASES, by the late Phil Schneider (fwd)
Jim Wion
>>hole?"
>It doesn't surprise me that you have never heard of such a concept. The
>information I could give you could probably would also make you think, or
>change your life. Try reading some books on Astral Travel of Astral
>Projection, I don't have the time to answer ignorance. Patrick Stewart
> >>--
>>>Hugo Epifanio
>>>he...@esoterica.pt
>>John Hutchins
Another typical snotty comment from a "True Believer?" Such comments
not only destroy any credibility you "might" have had, but show you up
for the snide, puffed-shirt type of snit that has destroyed relevent
inquiry throughout history.
I think that your comment on astral travel and astral projection are
about as far off-base as a wolverine at a dress ball. I've encountered
many people who claim such things but not one has ever, and I mean
EVER demonstrated it successfuly for me. So, let's keep things to the
quasi-probable, shall we?
Mike November
>In article <4jbten$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> rgate...@aol.com (RGates8254) wrote:
Steve, I'll dispense with the quoting of your quoting and get to the
brunt of things. Where I live we have SEVERAL underground facilities
the size of or much larger than what have been described in these
texts... I'm more than slightly familiar with the maintenance and up
keep of facilities deeply underground and what it takes to maintain
them. In ONE of our Trona mines here we have more miles of tunnel
than there are miles of streets in the city of San Francisco to give
you some idea of the facilities I live and work around.
To those who are DUMB enthusiasts this may seem like a positive
endorsement, but unfortunately, it's not. Most of the things that
are known as being FACTS hard, cold and indisputable about the
creation, maintaining and day to day operations of deep underground
facilities of any size pretty much point to the Schneider text as
being false.
I'll point to some of the top most problems I have with this text. I
have no problems with the fact that a few bases could be built, you
might even be able to build them covertly to some MINOR extent.
But keeping them a secret would be impossible. For one thing, let's
say you have a facility of the size indicated as being at Dulce. Do
you have any idea what the cooling and ventilation needs for such a
facility would be? Neither does Mr. Schneider because for something
that size to be ventilated you need air scrubbers and pumps which
provide air to those deep caverns and there is a heat exchange factor
that increases depending on how deep you go. A facility like that is
going to require cooling towers about four stories tall and the size
of a football field. They'll produce a plume of steam visible from
about 30 miles on a clear day. Not ONE of these towers but probably 3
will be needed for there.
There is no exageration in this, it's a fact. I invite you to come to
the mining operations in my area and check the ones we use out...
they're the latest in technology.
Another problem that I have is that Mr. S seems to have no concept of
structural geology... or apparently the basic laws of engineering.
There are some very REAL reasons why you could not build a
magnetically levitated railway system extending from California to
North Dakota, as one of the files on these DUMBs claims...
Not to mention a train capable of Mach 2.
There are some very real laws of physics which can neither be bent
altered or compromised that are necessary for our universe to work.
One of them is friction. Another is a simple formula that states
E=I/R regarding electrical voltage, ampres and resistance. Assuming
that somehow you can create that sort of power needed to lift a train,
and bring it to a speed of mach 2... you still have to maintain that
magnetic bubble all the way from CA to ND... anyone have a guess how
many 0's your calculator is going to need to give you even a rough
guesstimate how much juice it's going to take to accomplish this feat?
I didn't think so.
Yet another problem is that apparently these DUMBs are just carved out
with "Laser Drills". I'll save the smart remark I had here and just
come right out and tell you... you CAN'T use a laser to bore into, cut
or otherwise remove earth. It won't work and I'll tell you why. 1)
They aren't hot enough to do more than maybe melt an inch or two. 2)
There's that power thing again... 3) Melted/Compressed it won't matter
you melt and compress it and the mass is still the same. In fact
you've now made it even MORE difficult to get it out by melting and
compressing it. And after checking with some engineer friends... none
of them have ever heard of a Nuclear powered ANYTHING for mining.
I also did some other checking with some of our demolitions experts.
All of them seem to think that "Hell yes you can liquify concrete
using nitrate based explosives.". As for extruding rebar... that
would be common if the explosion was in a multi-story building.
In short... I have found the Schneider paper(s) to be fraudulent and
filled with fanciful concepts and misleading statements and
conceptions. It is also my opinion that the entire story - especially
the bit with the U-Boat commander for a father repatriated by our
Navy, etc., and so forth... to be a complete fiction. Further, I will
see if I can't locate Paul Schnieder's obit to determine if there's
any truth to this gentleman's existence at all.
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Danny Sale
>the mining operations in my area and check the ones we use out...
>they're the latest in technology.
Could you let me know of one possibly in my city,(jacksonville, florida)
or happen to know of whom I would go to to find out?
Steve Wingate
A Lecture By Phil Schneider: May 1995
=====================================
Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to
what appeared to be a military-style execution in January 1996.
He was found dead in his apartment with piano wire still wrapped
around his neck. According to some sources, he had been
brutally tortured repeated before being killed. Phil Schneider
was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building
underground bases. He was one of three people to survive the
1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence
and military forces at Dulce underground base.
In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had
discovered. Seven months later he was tortured and kill by
those for whom he previously worked. This man's final acts
should not go unnoticed.
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"It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal
government that I feel directly imperiled *not* to tell anybody
about this material. How long I will be able to do this is
anybody's guess. However, I would like to mention that this
talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of
these topics will have some bearing on what you people are
involved in, whether you are patriots or not.
"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful
place. I have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot
remember any country that has the beauty, as well as the
magnificence of its people, like these United States.
"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off
and went through engineering school. Half of my school was in
that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological
engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military
and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases
in the United States that have some significance as far as what
is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at
Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with
alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably
the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other
survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that
knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six
secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in
that firefight. I was there.
"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be
very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably
going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your
glasses on, I'm going to ask you to put your "scepticals" on.
But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the
Freedom of Information Act isn't much to go on, but it's the
best we've got. The local law library is a good place to look
for Congressional Records. So, if one continues to do their
homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their
country.
::: Deep Underground Military Bases and the Black Budget :::
"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but
I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I
did not believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going
to concern deep underground military bases and the black budget.
The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the
gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget
currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year. At least this
amount is used in black programs, like those concerned with deep
underground military bases. Presently, there are 129 deep
underground military bases in the United States.
"They have been building these 129 bases day and night,
unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built
even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities
underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains that
have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about
this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one of them.
Richard Souder, a Ph.D architect, has risked his life by
talking about this. He worked with a number of government
agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where
you live, in Idaho, there are 11 of them.
"The average depth of these bases is over a mile, and they again
are basically whole cities underground. They all are between
2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling
machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day.
The Black Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as
we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending
on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on
them that the NWO was involved, I would not have done it. I
was lied to rather extensively.
::: Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest
in Hyperspacial Technology, and More :::
"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar
year that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5
years. This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943
they were able to create, through the use of vaccum tube
technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one place
and appear in another place. My father, Otto Oscar Schneider,
fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat
captain, and was captured and repatriated in the United States.
He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the
A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He invented
a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests
at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs
of that test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the bomb
site at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was
infested with them, especially under the water, and the natives
had problems with their animals being mutilated. At that time,
General MacArthur felt that the next war would be with aliens
from other worlds.
"Anyway, my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about
the Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What
does that have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact that
he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other
side, but I think he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was
hated in Germany. There was a $1 million reward, payable in
gold, to anyone who killed him. Obviously, they didn't succeed.
Anyway, back to our topic - deep underground bases.
::: The Fire Fight At Dulce Base :::
"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal
government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United
States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called
the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that
the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their
implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had
to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens
altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it
at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, and the fire-fight
at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved in building
an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce,
which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels
and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had
drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to
link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My
job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and
recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I
was headed down there, we found outselves amidst a large cavern
that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large
Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people
down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all
of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of
existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living
on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This
could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient
astronauts.
"Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which
was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a
nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of
that.
"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started
work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years
recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for
Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51,
they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft. How many
people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He was a
physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion
factor in some of these craft.
::: Schneider's Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars
and Shackle Contracts :::
"Now, I am very worried about the activity of the the federal
government. They have lied to the public, stonewalled senators,
and have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters.
I can go on and on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled.
Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in
Portland, Oregon. He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication,
where they make railroad cars. Now, I knew this fellow for the
better part of 30 years, and he was kind of a quiet type. He
came in to see me one day, excited, and he told me "they're
building prisoner cars." He was nervous. Gunderson, he said,
had a contract with the federal government to build 107,200 full
length railroad cars, each with 143 pairs of shackles. There
are 11 sub-contractors in this giant project. Supposedly,
Gunderson got over 2 billion dollars for the contract.
Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed
me one of the cars in the rail yards in North Portland. He was
right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up
with about 15,000,000. This is probably the number of people
who disagree with the federal government. No more can you vote
any of these people out of office. Our present structure of
government is "technocracy", not democracy, and it is a form of
feudalism. It has nothing to do with the republic of the United
States. These people are god-less, and have legislated out
prayer in public schools. You can get fined up to $100,000 and
two years in prison for praying in school. I believe we can do
better. I also believe that the federal government is running
the gambit of enslaving the people of the United States. I am
not a very good speaker, but I'll keep shooting my mouth off
until somebody puts a bullet in me, because it's worth it to
talk to a group like this about these atrocities.
::: America's Black Program Contractors :::
"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures.
There are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget
from the U.S. Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million.
You couldn't buy the spare parts for these black programs for that
amount. So, we've been lied to. The black budget is roughly $1.3
trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A
trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. The U.S. Congress never sees the
books involved with this clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of
sleath programs: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison-
Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar
Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsibishi Industries, Rider
Trucks, Bechtel, *I.G. Farben*, plus a host of hundreds more.
Is this what we are supposed to be living up to as freedom-
loving people? I don't believe so.
::: Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat :::
"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly
affected by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon
stealth weaponry. By the way, none of the stealth program would
have been available if we had not taken apart crashed alien
disks. None of it. Some of you might ask what the "space
shuttle" is "shuttling". Large ingots of special metals that
are milled in space and cannot be produced on the surface of the
earth. They need the near vaccum of outer space to produce them.
We are not even being told anything close to the truth. I
believe our government officials have sold us down the drain -
lock, stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was
employed by the U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance
factor - one of the highest in the world. I believe the Star
Wars program is there solely to act as a buffer to prevent alien
attack - it can nothing to do with the "cold war", which was
only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what? The
whole lie was planned and executed for the last 75 years.
::: Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by U.S. Agencies and the
United Nations :::
"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug
Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth tactical
weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This in
1993, and the figures have gone up considerably since. The
United Nations used American stealth aircraft for over 28% of
its collective worldwide operations from 1990 to 1992, according
to the Center for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.
::: The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the
Bosnia Conflict :::
"The Guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct
classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets.
Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force (MJTF), sometimes
called the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-national
tactical force primarily used to guard the various stealth
aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were 172 stealth aircraft
built. Ten crashed, so there were at last count about 162.
Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to the United
Nations. There have been indications that the Delta Force was
sent over to Bosnia during the last days of the Bush administration
as a covert sniper force, and that they started taking pot shots
at each side of the controversy, in order to actually start the
Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding administrations
for political purposes.
::: Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States :::
"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade
Center bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some-
odd varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures
taken right after the blast. The concrete was puddled and
melted. The steel and the rebar was literally extruded up to
six feet longer than its original length. There is only one
weapon that can do that - a small nuclear weapon. That's a
construction-type nuclear device. Obviously, when they say that
it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage, they're lying
100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably didn't do
the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that
the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as
killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further
mention that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are
saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it.
"First, they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer
bomb. Then, it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now its 20,000.
You can't put 20,000 pounds of fertilizer in a Rider Truck. Now,
I've never mixed explosives, per se. I know the chemical
structure and the application of construction explosives. My
reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13
deep underground military bases in the United States. I worked
on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I
can tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not
have hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in
Oklahoma City. It would have killed a few people and knocked
part of the facing off the building, but it would have never
have done that kind of damage. I believe I have been lied to,
and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm telling you that you've
been lied to.
::: The Truth Behind the Republican Contract With America :::
"I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than
six months of life left in this country, at the present rate.
We are the laughing stock of the world, because we are being
hoodwinked by so many evil people that are runing this country.
I think we can do better. I think the people over 45 are
seriously worried about their future. I'm going to run some
scary scenarios by you. The Contract With America. It contains
the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used to subvert Germany
in 1931. I believe we can do better. The Contract With America
is a last ditch effort by our federal government to tear away
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
::: Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence :::
"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters
in the United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one
being built. Is this the proper use of our money? What does
the federal government need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if
they are not trying to enslave us. I doubt if the entire
military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the world needs
that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with
LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar. They can see you
walking from room to room when they fly over your house. They
see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of
1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that is. Now, I
worked in the federal government for a long time, and I know
exactly how they handle their business.
::: Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on
Alien Excretions :::
"The federal government has now invented an earthquake device.
I am a geologist, and I know what I am talking about. With the
Kobe earthquake in Japan, there was no pulsewave as in a normal
earthquake. None. In 1989, there was an earthquake in San
Francisco. There was no pulse wave with that one either. It is
a Tesla device that is being used for evil purposes. The black
budget programs have subverted science as we know it. Look at
AIDs, invented by the National Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago,
Illinois in 1972. It was a biological weapon to be used against
the people of the United States. The reason I know this is that
I have seen the documentation by the Office of Strategic
Services, which by the way is still in operation to this day,
through the CDC in Atlanta. They used the glandular excretions
of animals, humans and alien humanoids to create the virus.
These alien humanoids the government is hobnobbing with are the
worst news. There is absolutely no defense against their germs -
none. They are a biological weapon of terrible consequence.
Every alien on the planet needs to be isolated.
"Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a
similar biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet,
deserve this? No, we don't, but we are not doing anything about
it. Every moment we waste, we are doing other people on the
planet a disservice. Right now, I am dying of cancer that I
contracted because of my work for the federal government. I
might live six months. I might not. I will tell you one thing.
If I keep speaking out like I am, maybe God will give me the
life to talk my head off. I will break every law that it takes
to talk my head off. Eleven of my best friends in the last 22
years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called
"suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a friend
down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains
in order to get to Needles, California, and I was followed by
two government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a couple
of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they
were. I have spoken 19 times and have probably reached 45,000
people. Well, I got ahead of them and came to a stop in the
middle of the road. They both went on either side of me and
down a ravine. Is this what its going to take? I cut up my
security card and sent it back to the government, and told them
if I was threatened, and I have been, that I was going to upload
140,000 pages of documentation to the internet about government
structure and the whole plan. I have already begun that task.
"Thank you very much."
End of May 1995 Lecture
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How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
that tens of thousands of joe schmoe construction workers had to be
involved. And nary a peep from any of them?
I love a good yarn as much as the next guy, now how about some proof?
John
Steve Wingate
>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>>that tens of thousands of joe schmoe construction workers had to be
>>involved. And nary a peep from any of them?
Penalties for violating National Security laws are very severe. And then
there are the 'bounty hunters'. Look what happened to Phil Schneider when he
started talking about his experiences as a construction worker in an
underground base below Area 51. He was brutally tortured and then murdered in
his hotel room. Considering the death threats he and some of his associates
received as a result of coming forward with this information, and the fact
that several were murdered, it is unlikely that this was a coincidence.
Underground bases are a reality. Ever hear of FEMA and Continuity of
Government. Surely you don't believe that the US has no underground
facilities which would be used in the event of a nuclear war?!!
>Another thing
>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
>on the surface.
Not necessarily. Many underground bases are constructed in huge caverns.
Nuclear weapons testing has also resulted in large underground chambers.
Don't assume all weapons testing was nuclear; a magnetohydrodynamic bomb has a
yield similar nuclear bombs and could be used to enlarge a small chamber into
a much larger one.
In addition, nuclear-powered tunneling machines melt and compress the rock,
resulting in greatly reduced waste material.
Then there is the 'rock quarry'. Don't assume that all the rock being
extracted from every quarry comes only from the surface.
If you still do not believe that large underground bases are practical and can
be constructed without attracting unwanted attention, read the excellent book,
"Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the government trying to hide?," by
Richard Sauder, Ph.D.
Have a nice day.
Steve
RGates8254
>that tens of thousands of joe schmoe construction workers had to be
>involved. And nary a peep from any of them?
>I love a good yarn as much as the next guy, now how about some proof?
>John
Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
on the surface.
Cheers,
RGates8254@AOL.
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>
> RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>
> >>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>
> >the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
> >supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
> >on the surface.
>
> inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>
> Tell me what you think.
I think this argument allows you to state almost anything
without a shred of evidence.
Dimensional holes? Please...
:::tAchyOn:::
Hugo Epifanio
>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
>on the surface.
Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
inside some kind of dimensional hole?
Tell me what you think.
--
Hugo Epifanio
he...@esoterica.pt
Dean Adams
Hugo Epifanio <he...@esoterica.pt> wrote:
>RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>
>> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
>>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
>>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
>>on the surface.
>
> Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
>inside some kind of dimensional hole?
The only "hole" is in the heads of any people who believe
these totally ludicrous "underground bases" stories!
John G Wright
>
>>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>>>involved. And nary a peep from any of them?
>
>there are the 'bounty hunters'.
Not "THE BOUNTY HUNTERS"!! Help save us, they'll be after you now!!
Think of the financial rewards for telling your story! And not one of these
ordinary guys has tried to cash in on it. What outstanding loyalty! It only
seems to be American PhDs who come forward with this info of secret projects
they worked on.
And isn't it amazing how they can always quote the exact number or size of
objects from such a vastly different number of projects - tunnelling,
railways carriages, supersonic aircraft, etc, all of which by coincidence they
worked on, without anyone realising that they were such untrustworthy persons?
Pity these poor PhDs couldn't calculate the correct total number of shackles
in the railway carriages that were mentioned in the earlier post. And strange
how none of the ordinary workers on that project didn't speak up either. Or
those on any of the other projects either.
>Look what happened to Phil Schneider when he
>started talking about his experiences as a construction worker in an
>underground base below Area 51. He was brutally tortured and then murdered
in
>his hotel room. Considering the death threats he and some of his associates
>received as a result of coming forward with this information, and the fact
>that several were murdered, it is unlikely that this was a coincidence.
You say he was murdered and tortured. Evidence for his EXISTANCE please. I
say he didn't exist. No, now I say he's still alive. Prove me wrong. And I
know his secret hideout, which unfortunately I can't reveal. Prove me wrong.
I say his death was faked and it was another person. Prove me wrong. I say
any evidence _you_ present to the contrary is faked and was designed to fool
you, or that you are part of the conspiracy. Prove me wrong.
We have no way of checking the stuff you reported. You can say anything you
like, and someone somewhere will believe it.
>Not necessarily. Many underground bases are constructed in huge caverns.
>Nuclear weapons testing has also resulted in large underground chambers.
>Don't assume all weapons testing was nuclear; a magnetohydrodynamic bomb has
>a yield similar nuclear bombs and could be used to enlarge a small chamber
>into a much larger one.
What is a magnetohydrodynamic bomb? If it's a secret, how do _you_ know about
it, and why do we never see it mentioned in the papers or on TV, that ultimate
source of truth.
>In addition, nuclear-powered tunneling machines melt and compress the rock,
>resulting in greatly reduced waste material.
See above, substituting the words "nuclear-powered tunnelling machines melting
and compressing rock" for the words "magnetohydrodynamic bomb".
How do you compress rock???
Also, why wasn't this machine, which your earlier post must imply has been
around for quite some time now as these giant caverns are described as being
many decades old, used to dig the Channel Tunnel in a few days/weeks/months
instead of the ordinary tunnelling machines that were apparently designed many
years later but took several years to dig the tunnel?
We don't seem to see many laser tunnel cutters around these days either. Don't
tell me, it's a secret, and only you know about it. No I was wrong, it's
"lost technology of the ancients".
>
>"Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the government trying to hide?," by
>Richard Sauder, Ph.D.
Why should we believe this book? Doesn't the author make money out of it?
Why does having a PhD make the book reliable? I've got a PhD too, incidently,
from Edinburgh Uni. Does that mean this post is now considered to be very
authoratative?
>
>Have a nice day.
>
>Steve
Have a nice day too.
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Must get round to visiting your web site. Sounds interesting.
John G Wright BSc, PhD Edinburgh University (Chemistry)
Aha a chemist! Knows nothing about secret tunnelling equipment!
Damn! Shouldn't have said that.
John and Susan Hutchins
>RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
>>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
>>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
>>on the surface.
> Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
>inside some kind of dimensional hole?
> Tell me what you think.
I think you're grasping at straws. What the hell is a "dimensional
hole?"
>--
RGates8254
built
>>inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>The only "hole" is in the heads of any people who believe
>these totally ludicrous "underground bases" stories!
Dean, while I don't part and parcel believe the tales being told, (i.e.
Dulce, underground tunnels hooking up the entire country etc) I do know
of the following "underground bases" from press accounts that have
appeared over the years.
Cheyene Mountain, near Colorado Springs, CO, in it is a nuclear proof
city called NORAD or North American Air Defense Command.
FEMA/White House related bunkers, Mount Weather, Olney Maryland, Raven
Rock (Joint Chief of Staff relocation area), plus 93 other smaller
underground satellite facilities all related to the continunity of Govt.
In the Fort Hood Texas area, a mountain near a Army train Field (Gray
Army training Field), facility and tunnels used in the late 40s, through
early 60s as an assembly point for nuclear weapons, rumored to have
classified use to this day.
Their were 2 other underground facilitys used for manufacture of nuclear
weapons.
Near Dugway proving ground, several large underground facilities,
rumored to be emergency relocation sites.
In Green Briar West Virginia, a large underground facility (under a
large resort hotel that was run by a govt contractor) was built to house
Congress during a "nuclear War" this facility had enough seats so that
Congress could meet, had crematorians so that clothing and other
contaminated material could be burned.
The facility was declassified officially in late 1995, and iff you go to
Greenbriar, you can get tours of this facility.
The old SAGE radar buildings built at various AF bases in the late 50s
early 60s, had 2 floors underground. According to a CNN report the
underground portion of the SAGE building at Malstrom AFB, MT was being
used as part of the Continuity of Govt program (called the National
Program Office) through present. The implication of course is that other
SAGE building throughout the country are being used as part of the
program.
Dean Adams
RGates8254 <rgate...@aol.com> wrote:
>>The only "hole" is in the heads of any people who believe
>>these totally ludicrous "underground bases" stories!
>
>Dulce, underground tunnels hooking up the entire country etc) I do know
>of the following "underground bases" from press accounts that have
>appeared over the years.
>
> Cheyene Mountain, near Colorado Springs, CO, in it is a nuclear proof
>city called NORAD or North American Air Defense Command.
No, the only connection Cheyene Mountain and any other such facilities
have to this "underground bases" nonsense is that it may have been what
sparked the lunatic fringe imagination to start inventing wild stories.
The fact remains that the whole UFO alien underground base thing
is just another branch of lunatic fringe fantasy without even the
slightest shred of a foundation in reality.
klaatu
>
> Hugo Epifanio <he...@esoterica.pt> wrote:
> >RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
> >>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
> >
> >> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
> >>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
> >>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
> >>on the surface.
> >
> >inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>
> these totally ludicrous "underground bases" stories!
Gotta call ya on this one, Dean...
They're out there. Remember Project Plowshare? One of those nuke-excavated
caverns is used by some fairly funky small Arizona town as their water
cistern.
Now as for mothment... I tend to scoff at that...
--
Be kind to your neighbors, | "When the going gets wierd the weird turn pro."
even though they be | http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/home.html
transgenic chimerae. | Now. Chock full of uninteresting links.
---------------------------------------------------------------
klaatu
>
> RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>
> >>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>
> > Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
> >the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
> >supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
> >on the surface.
>
> Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
> inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>
>
Hello... domian.pt is Portugal, right? This becomes ever more fascinating....
In the great American Desert Southwest, where the States of Colorado, New
Mexico, Utah, and Arizona all share common borders (hence the name "Four
Corners", there lives a group of Native Americans, the Dineh, or as others call
them, the Navajo. Their elders have a very interesting origins-tale...
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Navajo beliefs reject these ideas, saying that there is no evidence in their
oral tradition of this movement.
Instead, their religion teaches that they traveled through three or four worlds
beneath this one and emerged
into this sphere in the La Plata mountains of southwestern Colorado or the
Navajo Dam area of
northwestern New Mexico. The gods created the four sacred mountains--Blanca
Peak and Hesperus Peak
in Colorado, Mount Taylor in New Mexico, and the San Francisco Peaks in
Arizona--preparing them as
supernatural boundaries within which all was safe and protected. In addition,
the gods also established
four rivers, one of which was the San Juan, to serve as defensive guardians.
This river played an important
role in some of the Navajo chantway myths and functioned as a clear line of
demarcation between Navajo
and Ute territories.
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If this fascinates you, you can learn more about North America's second-largest
Native Nation at
http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/native.html
which has a lot of links to various repositories of on-line information
regarding the ancient traditions of these people.
By the way, some of North America's largest and best preserved Native ruins are
located near Four Corners, with the "Aztec" (actually Anasazi, another
mystery!) ruins being some of the most famous. Hmmm. Lessee... we have, all
around Aztec, New Mexico... people who claim to have entered this world from
another, mysterious reported crashes of ET spacecraft, a mysteriously-vanished
race... definite and inarguable underground detonations of nuclear devices...
hmmm.... it is to ponder.
> --
> Hugo Epifanio
> he...@esoterica.pt
twi...@hub.ofthe.net
You forgot Yucca Mt. and the WIPP projects. WIPP is several miles of
underground drifts 2150 feet below the surface. Yucca mt is going
ahead and continuing to dig and I haven't heard recently how deep it
is at this time.
Twi...@hub.ofthe.net
Jet Propulsion
>
> RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>
> >>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>
> > Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
> >the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
> >supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
> >on the surface.
>
> Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
> inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>
> Tell me what you think.
>
> Hugo Epifanio
> he...@esoterica.pt
I think it is more likely that the underground bases are at least
partly natural. The Carlsbad Caverns and other caves in the US are
big enough to make a good start for an underground base.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ( )
Jet Propulsion / \ sst...@primenet.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ / = \
o0o
http://www.primenet.com/~sstolle/jet/jetpage.htm
Rick Jones
>
> Dean Adams wrote:
> >
> > >RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
> > >>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
> > >
> > >> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
> > >>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
> > >>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
> > >>on the surface.
> > >
> > > Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
> > >inside some kind of dimensional hole?
> >
> > these totally ludicrous "underground bases" stories!
>
> Gotta call ya on this one, Dean...
>
> They're out there. Remember Project Plowshare? One of those nuke-excavated
> caverns is used by some fairly funky small Arizona town as their water
> cistern.
>
> Now as for mothment... I tend to scoff at that...
>
> Be kind to your neighbors, | "When the going gets wierd the weird turn pro."
> even though they be | http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/home.html
> transgenic chimerae. | Now. Chock full of uninteresting links.
When growing up I lived in a town called Winthrop Mass. in which there was an underground base.
My father was stationed in it and it was later evacuated under emergency conditions with rumors
of a UFO that had been captured containing live crew that got loose. In adition I am now 31 years old
and have served over six years in Military Intelligence where I learned of other similar bases.
Later,
Rick (san...@gate.net)
m4...@unb.ca
>From: john....@midkent.ac.uk (John G Wright)
>Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES, by the late Phil Schneider (fwd)
>Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 17:03:38 GMT
Holy, what a prick. Patrick Stewart
m4...@unb.ca
>From: widde...@widdershins.seanet.com (John and Susan Hutchins)
>Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES, by the late Phil Schneider (fwd)
>he...@tirith.esoterica.pt (Hugo Epifanio) wrote:
>>RGates8254 rgate...@aol.co wrote:
>>>>How were these underground bases built? By robots? I would presume
>>> Thanks John for a good comment on the underground yarns. Another thing
>>>the folks forget about is that if it is true about how big these bases
>>>supposedly are, then there would be massive piles of rock laying somewher
>>>on the surface.
>> Hi, Has anyone ever considered the possibility that these "bases" were built
>>inside some kind of dimensional hole?
>> Tell me what you think.
>I think you're grasping at straws. What the hell is a "dimensional
>hole?"
It doesn't surprise me that you have never heard of such a concept. The
information I could give you could probably would also make you think, or
change your life. Try reading some books on Astral Travel of Astral
Projection, I don't have the time to answer ignorance. Patrick Stewart
>>--
John and Susan Hutchins
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------I've come in late on this thread but thought I'd share some information on this type of topic.
>When growing up I lived in a town called Winthrop Mass. in which there was an underground base.
>My father was stationed in it and it was later evacuated under emergency conditions with rumors
>of a UFO that had been captured containing live crew that got loose. In adition I am now 31 years old
>and have served over six years in Military Intelligence where I learned of other similar bases.
>Later,
>Rick (san...@gate.net)
Lord, when will it end? Yes, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of
underground bases throughout the U. S. A substantial number of
these "bases" are ICBM missile silos. It was *not* uncommon during
the height of the cold war to put facilities underground to help
insure their survival in the wake of an atomic attack. If there are
a large number of "secret underground bases" out there, blame it
on the former Soviet Union, not some hypothetical interstellar pilots.
There, now. Aren't you all glad you know?
John Hutchins
RGates8254
>Subj: Re: There are Underground bases! Was blah blah Phil Schnider
>Date: 96-04-01 04:17:48 EST
>From: dad...@netcom.com (Dean Adams)
>To: RGate...@aol.com
>
>> >Come on, the nonsense he was spreading has nothing to do with
>> >the assorted REAL facilities like NORAD HQ, etc. (with which
>> >i'm perfectly familiar).
>> >
>> >The stories in question ARE part and parcel about underground tunnels
>> >connecting "underground bases" all over the country, etc. and that
>> >is what takes a hole in the head to believe.
>> >
>> >
>> So as I understand your posts, you buy atleast "some" of the
underground
>> base stories, but you don't buy the part about underground tunnels
>connecting
>> the bases.
>
>Wrong. I don't buy ANY of the "underground base stories",
>since they are all a load of imaginary nonsense.
Dean, you are unknowing starting to sound like Cooper/Lear, so let me
remind you of what YOU said "Come on, the nonsense he was spreading has
nothing to do with the assorted REAL facilities like NORAD HQ, etc. (with
which i'm perfectly familiar)."
Since "NORAD HQ, etc" is in a real underground base, like all the ones
I
posted on my list, and you admit you are in fact "perfectly familiar" with
"Some" of the "underground base stories," but obviously not the ones being
promoted by Cooper/Lear et al.
You might also recall that the underground base that I mentioned that
was
in Fort Hood -you know the one that was in a mountain near Gray Army Air
Field, used by the Atomic Energy Commission to assemble Atomic Bombs- has
also been mentioned as part of one of Len Stringfields monographs. The
story was told that a military person that landed at an airstrip within
the
boundaries of Ft. Hood, saw a large door, that went to a underground base,
closing blah blah.
Anyways you can find reference to this one and several others in a
fairly
recently declassified series of monographs entitled "A History of Air
Force
Participation in Atomic Energy Program, Volume 2 (as I recall)
>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>
>any time.
Always glad to clarify with the facts, whether they are your own words,
or
a recent declassification by the Air Force.
