Newsgroup harassment
shey...@myrealbox.com
Using someone else's nym while posting to a newsgroup for the
purpose of getting around killfile filters is analogous to a
certain type of telephone harassment. The law ought to treat
such newsgroup abusers in the same way as it treats the same
type of telephone abusers.
For example, if a guy were to continually call up a woman who
doesn't want to hear from him, and he identifies himself at first
as one of her friends, and he does that as a ruse to get her
attention and to get her to listen to what he has to say and to
try to get her to talk with him, she could have the harasser
arrested and hauled into court and fined big time for telephone
abuse. In many instances the abuser is often sentenced also to
serve jail time for those types of offenses.
When you answer the telephone you have the right to be informed
right off the bat as to the identity of the caller. (I have seen
the law in print in the front pages of telephone directories.
The law requires you to tell the called party who you really are
if the called party asks.) Similarly, before you decide whether
to open a newsgroup message you should have the right to know from
a perusal of the headers whether the message is from someone whose
messages you might want to open and read, or whether it is just a
message posted by a scurrilous pervert who is using someone else's
nym for the purpose of getting around your killfile filters. You
don't have the right to know the poster's real name, but you should
have the right to know if the poster is really the same one who
is recognized in the newsgroup as the rightful user of the nym.
Only an asshole first class would argue here that Rich Greene is
not the real and recognized rightful user here of the nym "Old Sarge".
If other people posting in other newsgroups are using the same nym,
then that is OK provided they are not trying to pass themselves
off as being Rich Greene.
The same asshole first class who has argued here that Rich Greene's
nym is not his has also argued here that the nyms of several other
people posting here are not really theirs.
The law ought to treat the type of newsgroup harrassment described
here in the same way as it treats a similar type of telephone
harrassment.
Sam Heywood
--
USAR and MDARNG (Ret.)
NTReader v0.32w(O)/Beta (Registered) in conjunction with Net-Tamer.
Old Sarge oldsarge.nospam@richgreene.com
news:3idonjF...@individual.net...
PLUS, if a survey was taken in alt.war.vietnam AND this newsgroup, the
majority if not all of the veterans would say that *I* own that Nym on
Usenet, period. Frego didn't show up until way after the newsgroup was
started and I was using it ever since I went online. For him to say he was
using it years before I it a joke.
Why would a 40 year old call himself "old" Sarge?? Everyone knows why he
uses it anyway. It's no secret. I have no problem with it either as long
as people understand that he is also using it and don't attribute his
bullshit to me, which incidently has happened already with Zombywoof
actually thinking it was me and of course a couple other regulars that
cussed me out when in fact I wasn't posting at all. Bet he got his jollies
off on that. Well, no matter how hard he tries, he will never steal that
Nym from me. He can use it all he wants, but everyone knows who the REAL
Old Sarge is and that's all that matters. Not some crackpot that still
thinks his awards and decorations should still be worn, especially on
correspondence. A few people I know are getting a rise out of that one.
He's a first. He's the FIRST veteran to ever post his accolades as part of
his signature line and the first to claim he was in combat and brag about it
with how he got his awards. Nothing but a pissant, and hell no, I'm not
jeleaous and neither is anyone else for that matter. It don't mean nuthin,
but he thinks it does. It really means he's an idiot.
--
**Posted by Rich Greene via alt.net**
**If email address is NOT "richgreene.com" this post is not from Rich"
rfr...@satx.rr.com
harassment on here I tend to agree with you but the law does not see
it that way, unfortunately. I also think when someone accuses an
honorable Veteran with a laundry list of medals and other service
achievements of submitting a false report to Postal Inspectors that
the guilty party should be immediately handcuffed and sent back to
prison. The only reason he keeps saying that is to defame on honorable
name and that won't be tolerated. You don't see me going around
calling him names or demeaning his service in any way whatsoever. He
accused me calling him the same he has called me in the past. In fact
Perry called it twice. I have the evidence right here. I will put my
record up his or yours any day of the week. In fact a few of my
achievements listed below for your reading pleasure.
As for the nym, "Old Sarge", anyone can use it. I have seen several
use it on newsgroup long before Rich used it. Where do you think he
got it from? As long as they don't use a another person's email
address there is nothing that can be done about it. Trust me, I had
this checked out by my attorney. After all, Rich took it from someone
else.
I don't think people that engage in harassment and say that someone
submitted false reports when the person didn't do such a thing, making
up lies about what the person's soldiers said, talking about the
person's underage daughter, using a person's Photo and posted it on a
web site to harass, and even calling the person a child molester in
one post, I don't think such a person should be allowed to a nym that
in any way reflects of military service. He doesn't own that nym, he
doesn't pay the person's ISP fees, so he has no claim. He will just
have to behave himself on here, and stay on topic, and then maybe
people won't use the nym Old Sarge. They do have a right though. I
didn't think it was right when Rich posted my telephone number and
mailing address on here either, but I can't do a whole lot about. I
did put in my file to show pattern though and preponderance of
evidence.
I have received 4 emails today saying how nice it is to see on topic
messages posted on here for a change. Let's hope it stays that way. I
think our resident harasser and liable would do allot better if he
would quit posting false allegations against me. If he can't prove
what he says, than he should not the charges. Assuming is not proof,
and I have proof that his assumptions have been wrong. I have
personally apologized to him in the past to try to end the obsession
he has with me, but he continues to liable my good name and destroy my
impressive military achievements which will now remain in my tag line.
I suggest everyone do this so we will know who accomplished what in
service.
I rather see people stay on topic, like me, Charlie, and Perry try to
do instead of reading all the false accusations he posts in nearly
every post. I have a right to defend myself, my family, and my honor
and that is just what I do and will continue to do. I can't stop him
from being obsessive with me. That is a medical problem.
Rodger Frego
MSG, Retired
Bronze Star awardee for exceptional meritorious achievement for
critical periods in Gulf War Service, unbearable conditions, scuds,
sandy storms, scary stuff
SGT Morales Inductee
Way Too many achievements to list
Totally disabled because of my service connected disabilities and
exceptional meritorious service as shown above
Multiple MSM's, ARCOM's, AAM's
Numerous Campaign medals; Gulf War, Bosnia/Kosovo, Panama.
Kosovo Campaign Medal, Operations Joint Endeavor, Joint Guard, and
Joint Forge), Southwest Asia Service Medal , Operations Desert Shield
and Desert Storm), Medal for the Liberation of Kuwait
Responsible for saving tax payers millions of dollars as a result of a
1999 -2001 DOD IG investigation regarding gross fraud, waste and abuse
Directly Responsible for the closure of an a 20 + year illegal
business operation at Command Group Headquarters thatpotentially saved
tax payers millions of additional dollars and stopped dignitaries and
General Officers from getting scammed by this illegal business. I
thank John Warner, John McCain, Chuck Grasley and Congressman McHugh
for standing side by side with me throughout the intensive DOD IG
investigation that ruled in my favor in both investigations.
Long term member of alt.military.retired
rfr...@satx.rr.com
and the whole discussion detracts from what is important here. I won't
use your nym anymore. However, this is conditional. You will have to
agree to quit committed liable on here. You lied about me submitting a
false report to the Postal investigations, and you lied about how my
soldiers thought of me. There is a whole bunch of other liable posts
you did too, but that doesn't concern me right now. I didn't serve my
country the way I did for you to try and revise my resume by posting
lies. I will compare my earned achievements to you and anyone else on
here. I have nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of. I
am sick of you lying about my service record and lying about me
sending false complaints to authorities. Both charges are factually
wrong, you were told this several times, and yet repeated the same
liable comments over and over and over again. I have a God given right
to protect myself, my impeccable reputation, and my family and by God
that is what I do. Now, if you stay on topic here, quit the obsessive
harassment campaign you have toward me and others, maybe we can
resurrect this group as I have trying hard to do with the help of
several others here.
Rodger Frego
MSG, Retired
Bronze Star awardee for exceptional meritorious achievement for
critical periods in Gulf War Service, unbearable conditions, scuds,
sandy storms, scary stuff
SGT Morales Inductee
Way Too many achievements to list
Totally disabled because of my service connected disabilities and
exceptional meritorious service as shown above
Multiple MSM's, ARCOM's, AAM's
Numerous Campaign medals; Gulf War, Bosnia/Kosovo, Panama.
Kosovo Campaign Medal, Operations Joint Endeavor, Joint Guard, and
Joint Forge), Southwest Asia Service Medal , Operations Desert Shield
and Desert Storm), Medal for the Liberation of Kuwait
Responsible for saving tax payers millions of dollars as a result of a
1999 -2001 DOD IG investigation regarding gross fraud, waste and abuse
Directly Responsible for the closure of an a 20 + year illegal
business operation at Command Group Headquarters thatpotentially saved
tax payers millions of additional dollars and stopped dignitaries and
General Officers from getting scammed by this illegal business. I
thank John Warner, John McCain, Chuck Grasley and Congressman McHugh
for standing side by side with me throughout the intensive DOD IG
investigation that ruled in my favor in both investigations.
Long term member of alt.military.retired
>PLUS, if a survey was taken in alt.war.vietnam AND this newsgroup, the
ban...@hotmail.com
Grow up.
rfr...@satx.rr.com
>majority if not all of the veterans would say that *I* own that Nym on
Surveys do not prove anything. They are the same as Polls. Anyone can
manipulate a survey food goodness sakes. Besides, this newsgroup has
no connection to the Vietnam newsgroup at all, none, zilch. We are
seeing more and more Gulf War Veterans on here and as the Vietnam
Veterans die off over the next 10-15 years this newsgroup will be full
of Gulf War Veterans. That is the future of our newsgroup and
something we should be concentrating on now, since we are all
inclusive.
>Usenet, period. Frego didn't show up until way after the newsgroup was
>started and I was using it ever since I went online. For him to say he was
>using it years before I it a joke.
How would you know how long I was on here? All messages on Google are
not archived. I lurked on here for many years and posted some too. You
just have a bad memory.
>Why would a 40 year old call himself "old" Sarge??
Maybe because of all his years as a Master Sergeant. Not as young as I
use to be. Feel old too ...
>veryone knows why he uses it anyway. It's no secret. I have no problem with it either as long
No they don't. You don't speak for everyone, only yourself.
>as people understand that he is also using it and don't attribute his
>bullshit to me, which incidently has happened
Quit posting liable and I don't think you will have a problem here.
>Already with Zombywoof actually thinking it was me and of course a couple other regulars that
>cussed me out when in fact I wasn't posting at all.
That happens at times. I don't why people just don't use their real
names. Why hide behind a nym and an anonymous server anyway? It
doesn't make sense at all. Lots of Old Sarge's on the net:
> Bet he got his jollies off on that. Well, no matter how hard he tries, he will never steal that
>Nym from me. He can use it all he wants, but everyone knows who the REAL
Nobody can steal what you don't own.
>Old Sarge is and that's all that matters. Not some crackpot that still
>thinks his awards and decorations should still be worn, especially on
>correspondence.
I proud of all my achievements and they will my tag line from now on.
That way if you liable me again, newcomers will know my REAL military
achievements which I am proud of.
>with how he got his awards. Nothing but a pissant, and hell no, I'm not
>jeleaous and neither is anyone else for that matter. It don't mean nuthin,
>but he thinks it does. It really means he's an idiot.
You are just jealous. You can brag about your MSM, and ARCOM if you
want. That is your choice. No sense in being ashamed of your service.
It is better honest and list your medals versus lying about your
service and falsely claiming you were hit with shrapnel with mortar
rounds when everyone knows you weren't. I don't have to lie like that
because achievers don't have to lie, they can stand on their record as
I do and will:
rfr...@satx.rr.com
Please use your collective energies and pass this around to Veterans
on your lists, etc.
>American Forces Press Service
>
>ATLANTA, June 28, 2005 - Home Depot announced today all active duty personnel, reservists, retired service members, veterans and their families will receive 10 percent off their purchases in recognition of Independence Day.
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Old Sarge
tell me what nym to use. I own this nym and if you don't like it you can
suck my big black dick
<shey...@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
rfr...@satx.rr.com
<oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge[nospam].net> wrote:
>Hey little pecker head. You talking about me? When you pay my server you can
>tell me what nym to use. I own this nym and if you don't like it you can
>suck my big black dick
Rich, give it a rest. Nobody wants to read trash like that. Grow up.
oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge
"Old Sarge" <oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge[nospam].net> wrote in message news:...
> Hey little pecker head. You talking about me? When you pay my server you
> can tell me what nym to use. I own this nym and if you don't like it you
> can suck my big black dick
>
>
Dave Thompson
Old Sarge oldsarg...@richgreene.com <oldsarge[nospam]@richgreene.com>
pecked:
>
> PLUS, if a survey was taken in alt.war.vietnam AND this newsgroup, the
> majority if not all of the veterans would say that *I* own that Nym on
> Usenet, period. Frego didn't show up until way after the newsgroup
> was started and I was using it ever since I went online. For him to
> say he was using it years before I it a joke.
?? Is the email out the window already?
--
Dave Thompson
(The Real Other)
oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge
on. Real stupid. He has been harassing Roger for several years, even
threatened his family, and Roger has not budged. Now that Roger has finally
opened up and posted a few of his achievements I can see why Roger sticks
around. Rich looks like a cub scout when compared to Roger and his awards.
All Rich can say is, " they don't mean shit". That is easy to say since all
Rich has is a MSN and ARCON. No combat awards at all. He probably went
around scratching his CO's tank.
Old Sarge
"Dave Thompson" <m...@me.me> wrote in message
news:lzjwe.3627$Qo.1582@fed1read01...
rfr...@satx.rr.com
This newsgroup has enough problems without trolls morphing people's
email. And Yes I know a PI who can track you down, so don't you can
hide from justice either. I know damn well you are the one posting
from there pretending to be me too, and I don't play that crap. It is
childish.
Rodgers Frego
MSG, Retired
Bronze Star awardee for exceptional meritorious achievement for
critical periods in Gulf War Service, unbearable conditions, scuds,
sandy storms, scary stuff
SGT Morales Inductee
Way Too many achievements to list
Totally disabled because of my service connected disabilities and
exceptional meritorious service as shown above
Multiple MSM's, ARCOM's, AAM's
Numerous Campaign medals; Gulf War, Bosnia/Kosovo, Panama.
Kosovo Campaign Medal, Operations Joint Endeavor, Joint Guard, and
Joint Forge), Southwest Asia Service Medal , Operations Desert Shield
and Desert Storm), Medal for the Liberation of Kuwait
Responsible for saving tax payers millions of dollars as a result of a
1999 -2001 DOD IG investigation regarding gross fraud, waste and abuse
Directly Responsible for the closure of an a 20 + year illegal
business operation at Command Group Headquarters thatpotentially saved
tax payers millions of additional dollars and stopped dignitaries and
General Officers from getting scammed by this illegal business. I
thank John Warner, John McCain, Chuck Grasley and Congressman McHugh
for standing side by side with me throughout the intensive DOD IG
investigation that ruled in my favor in both investigations.
Long term member of alt.military.retired
shey...@myrealbox.com
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:37:00 GMT rfr...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:33:35 -0500, "Old Sarge"
> <oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge[nospam].net> wrote:
>>Hey little pecker head. You talking about me? When you pay my server
>>you can tell me what nym to use. I own this nym and if you don't like
>>it you can suck my big black dick
>Rich, give it a rest. Nobody wants to read trash like that. Grow up.
He didn't post that trash. You probably posted it in an
attempt to pass yourself off as him, and you did it for the
purpose of trying to make it look as though you are the nice
guy and and that he is the bad guy. All of the regulars
here are on to your sick games. All of the true leaders of
men and women whom we look up to have warned us about your
kind. We have taken their good counsel to heart and we act
accordingly. You aren't going to be able to turn us around
after all the good training we've had.
We all know that nobody other than you would have posted that
trash because you are the only one here with a sick obsession
and a vendetta and an agenda against Rich Greene. You are just
burning up with jealousy over the fact that he is so much more
respected here than you are.
You need to learn to mind your place and to watch your manners
and to do as your mommy tried to teach you. There is nothing
wrong with your mother other than the fact that she didn't know
that you looked ugly and she didn't know that she was dressing
you funny.
rfr...@satx.rr.com
I just figured it out Sam. You are not as smart as you thought. You
just gave yourself away! Here is what I find interesting .... Sam
disappears out the blue and the same day he disappears our group gets
flooded with anonymous nonsense attacking all of us. It went on for
many days. But the minute you returned yesterday the anonymous posting
just bout disappeared. Also just compared writing styles and the same
as yours. That makes you our resident troll. You have been exposed so
you can stop that nonsense now. Everyone here now knows you as
resident troll.
MSG, Retired
Bronze Star awardee for exceptional meritorious achievement for
critical periods in Gulf War Service, unbearable conditions, scuds,
sandy storms, scary stuff
SGT Morales Inductee
Way Too many achievements to list
Totally disabled because of my service connected disabilities and
exceptional meritorious service as shown above
Multiple MSM's, ARCOM's, AAM's
Numerous Campaign medals; Gulf War, Bosnia/Kosovo, Panama.
Kosovo Campaign Medal, Operations Joint Endeavor, Joint Guard, and
Joint Forge), Southwest Asia Service Medal , Operations Desert Shield
and Desert Storm), Medal for the Liberation of Kuwait
Responsible for saving tax payers millions of dollars as a result of a
1999 -2001 DOD IG investigation regarding gross fraud, waste and abuse
Directly Responsible for the closure of an a 20 + year illegal
business operation at Command Group Headquarters thatpotentially saved
tax payers millions of additional dollars and stopped dignitaries and
General Officers from getting scammed by this illegal business. I
thank John Warner, John McCain, Chuck Grasley and Congressman McHugh
for standing side by side with me throughout the intensive DOD IG
investigation that ruled in my favor in both investigations.
Long term member of alt.military.retired
>
Old Sarge oldsarge.nospam@richgreene.com
using 'com' is the day I call the FBI. Until then they can have all the fun
they want as it doesn't mean anything.
--
**Posted by Rich Greene via alt.net**
**If email address is NOT "richgreene.COM" this post is not from Rich"
"Dave Thompson" <m...@me.me> wrote in message
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rfr...@satx.rr.com
>using 'com' is the day I call the FBI. Until then they can have all the fun
>they want as it doesn't mean anything.
Technically Sam could use .com too and there nothing you can do about
it. On the other hand if he uses richgreene.com you would have a
gripe. He uses that to harass me too so you are not alone here.
Rodger Frego
MSG, Retired
Bronze Star awardee for exceptional meritorious achievement for
critical periods in Gulf War Service, unbearable conditions, scuds,
sandy storms, scary stuff
SGT Morales Inductee
SETAF Soldier of the Year
Totally disabled because of my service connected disabilities and
exceptional meritorious service as shown above
Multiple MSM's, ARCOM's, AAM's
Pre-Commissioned Officers Course
Distinguished Honor Graduate, ANCOC
Honor Graduate, BNCOC
PLDC ( Commandants List)
Basic Infantry Course
Army Logistics Management Course Graduate
Defense Distribution Management Course Graduate
Defense Reutilization and Marketing System Course Graduate
Army Maintenance Management Course Graduate
Numerous Campaign medals; Gulf War, Bosnia/Kosovo, Panama.
Kosovo Campaign Medal, Operations Joint Endeavor, Joint Guard, and
Joint Forge), Southwest Asia Service Medal , Operations Desert Shield
and Desert Storm), Medal for the Liberation of Kuwait
Responsible for saving tax payers millions of dollars as a result of a
1999 -2001 DOD IG investigation regarding gross fraud, waste and abuse
Directly Responsible for the closure of an a 20 + year illegal
business operation at Command Group Headquarters that potentially
saved tax payers millions of additional dollars and stopped
dignitaries and General Officers from getting scammed by this illegal
business. I thank John Warner, John McCain, Chuck Grasley and
Congressman McHugh for standing side by side with me throughout the
intensive DOD IG investigation that ruled in my favor in both
investigations.
Way Too many achievements to list, not enough room in cyberspace
Long term member of alt.military.retired.
This is my approved hobby under VA ILS so it is about the only
newsgroup I post in.
rfr...@satx.rr.com
here always knew he strange and childish. His anonymous games has
proved everyone right.
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:33:35 -0500, "Old Sarge"
<oldsarge.nospam@oldsarge[nospam].net> wrote:
rfr...@satx.rr.com
name Rich Greene keeps harassing me because I am a disabled Veteran of
the Gulf WAR.
Rodger
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:28:53 -0500, "Old Sarge
oldsarg...@richgreene.com" <oldsarge[nospam]@richgreene.com>
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Al Superczynski
>Is the email out the window already?
It's not Wednesday yet.
--
MSG, USA (retired)