United States Navy Band
White Hat MP
school. I gotta say... it was AWESOME and very inspiring. Of course, they
started off with the all-time "tear-jerker," the Star Spangled Banner which
ALWAYS brings a few tears to my eyes. The concert was great... and all
musicians were at LEAST Petty Officer's 1st Class (E-6) with several Cheif
Petty Officers (E-7) and a couple Senior and Master Chiefs and one Sr Master
Chief and one full Commander (same-same 0-5). The final selection was "Armed
Forces on Parade," where they played each service's song and had each
respective service's veterans stand. My family made me stand up three out of
five times.... US Navy; USMC and US Army.
Oh well.... it was fun but the bandleader looked at me the second time and
saluted... and the third time, again with a hearty grin.
One other thing I noticed... no phoney decorations... the MOST any band member
had on were four medals and that was only on a couple of the Sr. Chiefs and the
Sr. Master Chief. I'm impressed that the Navy hasn't stooped to giving medals
for farting (ahemmm.. or perhaps NOT doing that!!!). Of course, the entire
band as I said were a least E-6's... and by their service hashmarks, many with
LESS than four year's service. However, that's okay because that's what it
takes to retain "world class" symphony level musicians and I'd say they're
worth every penny of it... not unlike the Army Band, etc, etc.
Bill
"Of the Troops...
"For the Troops!"
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John Appel
musicians..they never set foot in Basic Training or anything, it's just like
they apply for a band job and they're issued uniforms...
John
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White Hat MP
>Not sure about the Navy band, but the Marine band is composed of
>musicians..they never set foot in Basic Training or anything, it's just like
>they apply for a band job and they're issued uniforms..
I don't know about the Navy Band... but I'd certainly THINK they'd at least do
Boot Camp.
RockyMtnAl
>musicians..they never set foot in Basic Training or anything, it's just like
>they apply for a band job and they're issued uniforms...
>John
Hmmm...quite different from the story I've been told. You see, my son has (or
rather, had) an interest in this. He's an all-state high school musician,
performing both vocally and two brass instruments.
He was contacted by a recruiter for THE Marine Band (versus A Marine band)
earlier this school year, and yes, all USMC Bandsmen do attend Boot Camp.
Afterwards, they attend some joint-service musician's school (I think the Navy
hosts it, but I can't find the information right now to verify that).
The USMC has four or five bands, located at their major installations. THE
Marine Band, though, "The President's Own," is more than a bit difficult to get
into. There was, when the recruiter talked to him, no member under the rank of
E-7, and something like 40% of them had Masters degrees in a music field. Most
had at least 10 years service before they were accepted into the unit.
Yes, rank comes quickly for them, but most come in at E-5 or E-6 because most
do have at least a 4-year degree. They are doing what they love (performing),
which they couldn't do if they used that degree to become officers.
Anyhow, members of the Marine Bands do, in fact, go through recruit training
just like anyone else....which is the reason why my son has (at least this
week) opted out. He's not into it, I guess, though I'm working on that. He's
been asking me a lot of questions about my military service lately, so
maybe....
John Appel
info comes from about the members not going thru Basic Training.
John
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LEOLIBBEY
in a USMC band at New Orleans. She went to boot camp last summer (made the
Honor Graduate), followed by the School of Music on the East Coast (I think it
was VA). All the services send their musicians to the same school after boot
camp. My neice came in the Marines as an E3 and made E4 after finishing the
music school. Getting into THE service component band is a whole other matter.
At least for the The Army Band (not one of the local Army bands), if you are
accepted you start off as an E7. These people are professional musicians, most
with graduate degrees and conservatory time. I've seen The Army Band perform
and I don't recall seeing any youngsters (less than 25 yrs old).
Leo
John Appel
President's Own":
http://www.marineband.usmc.mil/car_carinfo.html
"Recruit Training (Boot Camp)
Members of the U.S. Marine Band are the only members of the U.S. Armed
Services not required to undergo recruit training.
The mission of the U.S. Marine Band is "to provide music and perform such
other functions as are directed by the President of the United States and
the Commandant of the Marine Corps." Unlike other Marine Corps musical
units, the Marine Band has no assigned secondary combat role, and its
members are exempt from all such training. Marine Band musicians report to
Washington fully
trained to perform their primary duties in the accomplishment of the band’s
unique musical mission. Therefore, there is no requirement for U.S. Marine
Band musicians to undergo recruit training.
New Marine Band members are instructed by the band’s Drum Major in
appropriate military and band-related subjects. This ongoing process of
instruction gives each musician essential knowledge about his or her role in
the U.S. Marine Corps. "
John
"RockyMtnAl" wrote
BIG AL
in a USMC band at New Orleans. She went to boot camp last summer (made the
Honor Graduate), followed by the School of Music on the East Coast (I think it
Va.I grew up there and the students always used to put on concerts and benefits
for charity.
White Hat MP
>Hmmm...quite different from the story I've been told. You see, my son has
>(or
>rather, had) an interest in this. He's an all-state high school musician,
>performing both vocally and two brass instruments.
Excellent!
>He was contacted by a recruiter for THE Marine Band (versus A Marine band)
>earlier this school year, and yes, all USMC Bandsmen do attend Boot Camp.
I would have bet money that the members of any USMC Band; even "THE" USMC Band
have to finish Boot Camp. The Corps would have it no other way and I strongly
suspect that the USN is the same.
>Afterwards, they attend some joint-service musician's school (I think the
>Navy
>hosts it, but I can't find the information right now to verify that).
>
Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However, most
Marines will not publically admit to that!
BIll
Casey
> Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However, most
> Marines will not publically admit to that!
I won't. heh heh heh
Casey
> Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However, most
> Marines will not publically admit to that!
I won't. heh heh heh
>
>
Casey
> White Hat MP wrote:
>
> > Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However, most
> > Marines will not publically admit to that!
>
> I won't. heh heh heh
Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again. It's
been a while so I guess it's probably about time for it to start messing up
again. Sorry about that folks.
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Stay Safe,
Casey
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Casey
> White Hat MP wrote:
>
> > Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However, most
> > Marines will not publically admit to that!
>
> I won't. heh heh heh
Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again. It's
RockyMtnAl
compliments of one of our members (thanks, John) who decided to research the
issue. Here is what the official site says:
>>This info is from the website for the United State Marine Band, "The
President's Own":
http://www.marineband.usmc.mil/car_carinfo.html
"Recruit Training (Boot Camp)
Members of the U.S. Marine Band are the only members of the U.S. Armed
Services not required to undergo recruit training.
The mission of the U.S. Marine Band is "to provide music and perform such
other functions as are directed by the President of the United States and
the Commandant of the Marine Corps." Unlike other Marine Corps musical
units, the Marine Band has no assigned secondary combat role, and its
members are exempt from all such training. Marine Band musicians report to
Washington fully
trained to perform their primary duties in the accomplishment of the band's
unique musical mission. Therefore, there is no requirement for U.S. Marine
Band musicians to undergo recruit training.
New Marine Band members are instructed by the band's Drum Major in
appropriate military and band-related subjects. This ongoing process of
instruction gives each musician essential knowledge about his or her role in
the U.S. Marine Corps. " <<
So, it would seem that SOME are recruited directly into the Marine Band. I
called a buddy of mine who is a former USMC Recruiter, and he confirmed this.
However, he stated, most of the members of the President's Own did in fact come
from the USMC Field Bands (I believe there are five), whose members do have to
complete Boot Camp.
Those who enter directly from the streets to the President's Own generally have
extensive experience as professional performers, play several instruments, and
have college degrees (usually a Masters) in a music field.
White Hat MP
>> White Hat MP wrote:
>>
>> > Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However,
>most
>> > Marines will not publically admit to that!
Casey Replied:
>> I won't. heh heh heh
TWICE... he replied. Then....
>Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again.
>It's
>been a while so I guess it's probably about time for it to start messing up
>again. Sorry about that folks.
That's cuz you wuz bein' a smart ass about the USMC when you ain't a Marine!
<G>
Bill
White Hat MP
>Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again.
>It's
>been a while so I guess it's probably about time for it to start messing up
>again. Sorry about that folks.
See... smartass? It did it again! Another double post!!!
White Hat MP
>I received some clarification on the USMC Band via e-mail this morning,
>compliments of one of our members (thanks, John) who decided to research the
>issue. Here is what the official site says:
I received the same clarification from John... and was completely surprised
that the Corps lets anyone wear their uniform without completing Boot Camp
training. ::SIGH:: Oh well... yet another belief shattered!!! :)
Bill (Surprised as heck!)
Casey
> >From: Casey
>
> >> White Hat MP wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well.... the USMC is, quite literally, a PART of the US Navy. However,
> >most
> >> > Marines will not publically admit to that!
>
> Casey Replied:
>
> >> I won't. heh heh heh
>
> TWICE... he replied. Then....
>
> >Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again.
> >It's
> >been a while so I guess it's probably about time for it to start messing up
> >again. Sorry about that folks.
>
> That's cuz you wuz bein' a smart ass about the USMC when you ain't a Marine!
> <G>
And just how do you know that Mr. Bill? I might have been. :-)
Casey
Casey
> >From: Casey
>
> >Oh NO!!!! Don't tell me my news server is starting to double post again.
> >It's
> >been a while so I guess it's probably about time for it to start messing up
> >again. Sorry about that folks.
>
> See... smartass? It did it again! Another double post!!!
Yelp, that's me..... a smart donkey. heh heh heh
Casey
White Hat MP
>> That's cuz you wuz bein' a smart ass about the USMC when you ain't a
>Marine!
>> <G>
>
>And just how do you know that Mr. Bill? I might have been. :-)
But you weren't... it's show. You'd be "green." Even Corpsmen got the
"green."
Bill