QuickTime 3.0 Gains Momentum On PC And Mac
Derek Currie
This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide the
specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But QuickTime
is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
brighter lately!:
:-Derek
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Subject: [NEWS] Apple says Quicktime 3 gains momentum
From: Michael D Flaminio <flam...@insanely-great.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:04:21 -0500
<http://www.insanely-great.com/news/98/4/news06.html#quicktime>
At the NAB conference this week, Apple announced that more than 25 of the
biggest names in multimedia and broadcast have developed products, tools
and solutions for QuickTime 3. Leading companies announcing support for
QuickTime 3 include Adobe, Macromedia, and Showtime.
"The companies supporting QuickTime 3, many of which are at NAB, are
leaders in digital media and breaking new ground in their respective
markets," said Avie Tevanian, Apple's senior vice president of Software
Engineering.
Quotes from companies supporting QuickTime 3.
"Adobe is relying on the robust, cross-platform capabilities of QuickTime
3 to make Premiere 5.0 the most exciting video product of 1998," said
Bruce Chizen, senior vice president and general manager of the Graphics
Products Division at Adobe Systems. "Adobe couldn't commit to a
cross-platform development path for our multimedia products unless a
technology like QuickTime was proven and existed today for digital video
authoring, interchange format, and playback. In fact, Adobe sees such value
in QuickTime 3, from Hollywood to the consumer, that we will be a
cross-platform licensee."
"Macromedia has been supporting QuickTime since its inception," remarked
Norm Meyrowitz, executive vice president and CTO, Macromedia, Inc.
"QuickTime 3 has so many new features that we've developed a rich new
authoring extension for Director to harness the flexibility and power of
QuickTime. The combination of Macromedia Director and QuickTime 3 should
generate incredible new content for CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, and the web."
"The advantages of QuickTime are the same as the telephone--I just pick it
up, and it works. If I click on a QuickTime movie, it just plays," said
Dirk Van Dall, principal consultant, Digital Video at Showtime. "That's
why developers choose QuickTime. For their customers, it's readily
available and very easy to use."
Wide Industry Support for QuickTime 3
Additional developers supporting QuickTime 3 include: Adaptec, Canto
Software, Digigami, Inc., Discreet Logic, Eidos Technologies, Electric
Image, Inc., Engineering Consulting, Equilibrium, Heuris, Jazz Media
Network, Kinetix, Lari Software, Inc., Linker Systems, Inc., MacSourcery,
Media 100, Inc., McRoberts Software Incorporated (MSI), Pinnacle Systems,
Post Digital Software, ProMax Systems, Inc., Puffin Designs, QDesign,
Radius, Inc., Scitex Digital Video, Inc., Sorenson Vision, Inc.,
TrueVision, and Xing Technology Corp.
QuickTime 3.0 - <http://www.apple.com/quicktime/>
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Derek Currie
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M. Kilgore
Derek Currie wrote in message ...
:This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide the
:specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
:doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But QuickTime
:is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
:brighter lately!:
Not to put to put a fly into the oinment but QT3.0 broke my copy of
HyperStudio for Windows 3.1. According to one of Rodger Wagoner's
programmers I contacted, QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2. I'm
somewhat surprised, but there it is.
mark
Phil Brewster
<On Tue, Apr 7, 1998 11:23 PM, M. Kilgore
I'd be rather surprised if there weren't something in the ReadMe files
about this, since the download site is quite explicit about QT3.0 requiring
Win95 or NT4:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/information/req.html
and
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/information/get.html
The latter page says, 'For those of you using Windows 3.1, you should
continue to use QuickTime 2.1.2'....
-- Sorry about your troubles, but Apple has provided the information needed
to prevent them, true?.....
Cheers,
--------
Phil Brewster (pjbrew at ix dot netcom dot com)
"Our user tests show that users think OpenDoc simply fixes some 'bugs' and
lets them work the way they want."
http://devworld.apple.com/dev/techsupport/develop/issue22/opendoc.html>
M. Kilgore
Phil Brewster wrote in message ...
:<On Tue, Apr 7, 1998 11:23 PM, M. Kilgore
:<mailto:mkil...@nospam.prysm.net> wrote:
:>
:>Derek Currie wrote in message ...
:>:This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide
the
:>:specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
:>:doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But
:QuickTime
:>:is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
:>:brighter lately!:
:>Not to put to put a fly into the oinment but QT3.0 broke my copy of
:>HyperStudio for Windows 3.1. According to one of Rodger Wagoner's
:>programmers I contacted, QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2. I'm
:>somewhat surprised, but there it is.
:I'd be rather surprised if there weren't something in the ReadMe files
:about this, since the download site is quite explicit about QT3.0
requiring
:Win95 or NT4:
:
:http://www.apple.com/quicktime/information/req.html
:
:and
:
:http://www.apple.com/quicktime/information/get.html
:
:The latter page says, 'For those of you using Windows 3.1, you should
:continue to use QuickTime 2.1.2'....
:
:-- Sorry about your troubles, but Apple has provided the information
needed
:to prevent them, true?.....
Oops, I've been using Win95 so long that I plumb forgot about Win3.1. I
wish it were that easy to fix the problem.<G> I'm using Win95 and the
version of Hyperstudio I'm using is 3.1 which Rodger Wagnoner calls
"HyperStudio for Windows (version) 3.1" I guess it might be a good idea if
products that include "windows" as part of their name just skipped version
3.X and go directly to version 4.X. If they make it to version 95.x then
they should probably pack it up and go home.
Thanks for trying to help,
mark
Jeff Read
Derek Currie wrote:
>
> This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide the
> specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
> doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But QuickTime
> is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
> brighter lately!:
Derek "Lithium Lick" Currie fails to realize, of course, that Apple has
imposed new distribution terms on QuickTime 3. To redistribute the
runtime, you have to either pay $1 per copy, or (get this!) copy
advertisements to the desktop *every time* the program is run! Even
Microsoft is smart enough not to pull a stunt like that.
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Jeff Read <bit...@geocities.com>/ http://genpc.home.ml.org
Unix / Linux / Windows Hacker, / Boycott Microsoft!
Anime & Sonic Fan, / Use Linux/GNU!
All Around Nice Guy / Let's keep the Net and the Land FREE!
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Bruce L. Grubb
In article <6gf1e9$as1$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, "M. Kilgore"
<mkil...@nospam.prysm.net> wrote:
>Derek Currie wrote in message ...
>:This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide the
>:specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
>:doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But QuickTime
>:is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
>:brighter lately!:
>
>Not to put to put a fly into the oinment but QT3.0 broke my copy of
>HyperStudio for Windows 3.1. According to one of Rodger Wagoner's
>programmers I contacted, QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2. I'm
>somewhat surprised, but there it is.
I know from a later post that the program "HyperStudio for Windows
(version) 3.1" and that you are using Win 95 so the known problem of Win
3.1 and QT 3.0 can be dispenced with.
AFAIK the statement ' QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2' is only
true in that some files created under QT 3.0 may not run under QT 2.x. It
does NOT mean that 'some QT 2.x programs may not run under QT 3.0' which
is the context both you and this programmer are taking it.
This is a matter of *forward* compatiblity (running QT 2.x programs under
QT 3.0) so the backward compatiblity of QT 3.0 files under QT 2.x is
meaningless to this problem.
In fact all the MacOS programs that I have that were written for QT 2.x
work perfectly with QT 3.0. In fact Myst which works well with QT 3.0 was
written for QT 1.6.
AFAIK if you followed Apples QT guidelines (especially the 2.x ones) older
QT stuff should work with Quictime 3.0. If something written for QT 2.x
doesn't work under QT 3.0 IMHO it is more like the problem is with that
program and NOT with QT 3.0.
Joe Ragosta
> Derek Currie wrote in message ...
> :This week Microsoft announced a replacement for AVI, and will provide the
> :specs to developers at the end of the year. Too little to lame again! No
> :doubt there will be tactics to screw PC users into using it. But QuickTime
> :is here to stay on both platforms, and on UNIX as well. The future looks
> :brighter lately!:
>
>
> Not to put to put a fly into the oinment but QT3.0 broke my copy of
> HyperStudio for Windows 3.1. According to one of Rodger Wagoner's
> programmers I contacted, QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2. I'm
> somewhat surprised, but there it is.
Cool. Apple is finally learning from Microsoft--force EVERYONE to upgrade
every two years. ;-)
Actually, the problem you're citing is a Win95 problem--not QT 3.0. QT
3.0 will play QT 2.0 files. QT 2.0 won't play QT 3.0 files, but that's not
unusual.
--
Regards,
Joe Ragosta
http://www.dol.net/~Ragosta/complmac.htm
M. Kilgore
Bruce L. Grubb wrote in message ...
:In article <6gf1e9$as1$1...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, "M. Kilgore"
:<mkil...@nospam.prysm.net> wrote:
SNIP
:>Not to put to put a fly into the oinment but QT3.0 broke my copy of
:>HyperStudio for Windows 3.1. According to one of Rodger Wagoner's
:>programmers I contacted, QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2. I'm
:>somewhat surprised, but there it is.
:
:I know from a later post that the program "HyperStudio for Windows
:(version) 3.1" and that you are using Win 95 so the known problem of Win
:3.1 and QT 3.0 can be dispenced with.
:
:AFAIK the statement ' QT3.0 is not backward compatible with QT2' is only
:true in that some files created under QT 3.0 may not run under QT 2.x. It
:does NOT mean that 'some QT 2.x programs may not run under QT 3.0' which
:is the context both you and this programmer are taking it.
:
:This is a matter of *forward* compatiblity (running QT 2.x programs under
:QT 3.0) so the backward compatiblity of QT 3.0 files under QT 2.x is
:meaningless to this problem.
I guess it depends on your vantage point, but forward or backward it still
doesn't work. :-) At anyrate, I was unable to find a 32bit QT at the Apple
site other than QT3.
:
:In fact all the MacOS programs that I have that were written for QT 2.x
:work perfectly with QT 3.0. In fact Myst which works well with QT 3.0 was
:written for QT 1.6.
I'd expect that they would. I'm not so sure about the Win95 stuff, though.
This is the first time I've encountered any problems with QT for Win.
:AFAIK if you followed Apples QT guidelines (especially the 2.x ones) older
:QT stuff should work with Quictime 3.0. If something written for QT 2.x
:doesn't work under QT 3.0 IMHO it is more like the problem is with that
:program and NOT with QT 3.0.
That's my guess, but Rodger Wagoner has been a long time QT user with their
products so I have to assume they know what their doing. I haven't looked
at using QT in a program so I don't know. Could be that maybe they're using
some esoteric QT function that's changed. Whatever the cause, it's gonna
leave some teachers hanging because HS stacks that used to work don't
anymore.
mark
Jeffrey Fulmer
Bill G is bundling opposing technology in Win98, I forget what it's
called--someone help me--but after that OS and future M$ OSes gain marketshare,
you can kiss QT goodbye on the M$ platform....
--Jeff
Trevor Zion Bauknight
In article <352B2FA8...@geocities.com>, Jeff Read
<bit...@geocities.com> wrote:
> imposed new distribution terms on QuickTime 3. To redistribute the
> runtime, you have to either pay $1 per copy, or (get this!) copy
> advertisements to the desktop *every time* the program is run! Even
The impression I got from the license was that the thing had to be run the
first time the program was run. But maybe I am wrong on this. Outside of
raising the cost of programs which make use of Quicktime by $1, the only
impact I can see of this is that if Quicktime is used when movies, etc.
are shipped on DVD, it could conceivably raise the cost of the DVD movie
by $1 (similar to paying an extra dollar for a music CD) and that's
assuming the distributor wouldn't just put the ad at the beginning like
they advertise so many other things. That, and magazines which ship
CD-ROMs might balk at charging an extra dollar for the magazine and either
not include the CD-ROM or, more realistically, include the ad at the
beginning. It really is unobtrusive...I've trashed my copy of the Get
Quicktime thing already and haven't seen it since. That isn't to say that
it won't pop up if I run some kind of CD-ROM movie or game which uses
it...seriously, though...where is the big deal?
Trev
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Erick Bryce Wong
If you are referring to AAF ("Advanced" Authoring Format) then it is a very
long-term announcement (read: currently vapour), and unless Win98 is delayed
yet another year will not appear until later.
But once again M$ demonstrates that it need only issue a press release and
people will assume the best. At least it's not as bad as when IBM announced
the 1GHz PPC prototype and several people assumed it was x86 because it came
from IBM... ;)
-- Erick
Jeffrey Fulmer
Joe Unix wrote:
The irony of course is that the Apple Macintosh has more IBM parts than the
so-called IBM PC.....
--Jeff
> >
> > -- Erick
>
> And the 1GHz PPC will be released on the same day monkeys fly out my
> butt.
> --
> Joe
>
> MacOS - "What's a computer?"
> Windoze - "Quake Rules! But I still don't know how to use this thing."
> Rhapsody - And you think NeXT floped, jesus!
> Linux - Cheap bastard!
> Joe Unix v.657 - and then there is god.
Derek Currie
> Joe Unix wrote:
>
> > er...@sfu.ca (Erick Bryce Wong) wrote:
> >
> > >Jeffrey Fulmer <jfu...@whiteoaknet.com> wrote:
> > >>Bill G is bundling opposing technology in Win98, I forget what it's
> > >>called--someone help me--but after that OS and future M$ OSes gain
marketshare,
> > >>you can kiss QT goodbye on the M$ platform....
Ridiculous. It is already being used on the Web more than anything
Megalosoft have pinched out.
> > >
> > >If you are referring to AAF ("Advanced" Authoring Format) then it is a very
> > >long-term announcement (read: currently vapour), and unless Win98 is
delayed
> > >yet another year will not appear until later.
AVI having been such a grand failure indeed Megalosoft have announced AAF.
The APIs for it will not be released to DEVELOPERS until the END of 1998.
So only and idiot would think it was incorporated into Windows 98.
> > >
> > >But once again M$ demonstrates that it need only issue a press release and
> > >people will assume the best. At least it's not as bad as when IBM
announced
> > >the 1GHz PPC prototype and several people assumed it was x86 because
it came
> > >from IBM... ;)
Those several people need to catch up with computing over the last 5 years.
In article <35326c87...@figs.farm.net>, Joe Unix wrote:
> And the 1GHz PPC will be released on the same day monkeys fly out my
> butt.
> --
> Joe
I will enjoy seeing that, considering that IBM already succesfully demoed
it, and I might add without having to hide a refrigerator under the table
ala Intel's space heater CISC chips. You will also continue to find a
discrepancy in using clock speeds for comparing real time speeds of chips.
IBM invented the copper technology for cpu communication. The drastic
speed advances, beyond those already obvious in the PowerPC chip, will
clearly leave Merced sitting in the dust on the day it is released,
looking like a very expensive antique.
Let's now have a brief pity party for those companies foolish enough to
invest in Merced technology. Amen.
:-Derek
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Laszlo F. Heredy
Derek Currie wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > > >>you can kiss QT goodbye on the M$ platform....
>
> Ridiculous. It is already being used on the Web more than anything
> Megalosoft have pinched out.
You're wrong again buddy.Netscape had 90% market share before Win95, it was the most
used browser on the 'net (not to mention best), and now it has much less
marketshare.... being gained upon by an INFERIOR PRODUCT (MSIE)!!!!!! Anything MS
releases will become the standard (ie. MS is now going to release a new standard for
streaming video, as well as **COMPUTERS IN YOUR FUCKING CAR!!!!!**
You tell me that ANY company's stuff will hold up against MS, you're sadly mistaking
friend.
No CEOs really like MS, but they gotta do what they say because they make the rules,
simply because Mr. Billy there has $15 Bil to burn.
Anyone other than me worried about the future of the world? I am!
--
Laszlo Heredy
http://visitweb.com/rime
mailto:ri...@thepentagon.com
T. Max Devlin
tr...@sc.edu (Trevor Zion Bauknight), on Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:08:15 -0400,
>In article <352B2FA8...@geocities.com>, Jeff Read
><bit...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>> imposed new distribution terms on QuickTime 3. To redistribute the
>> runtime, you have to either pay $1 per copy, or (get this!) copy
>> advertisements to the desktop *every time* the program is run! Even
>
>[...]where is the big deal?
>
The big deal is the complete lack of cluefullness concerning the methods
and mechanisms of computers that this kind of crap betrays on the part
of what was once thought to be an organization on the side of the "Good
Guys" [truth, justice, the american way, life, liberty, pursuit of
happiness, all that stuff].
Imposing such a HUGE licensing fee (I'm not being sarcastic here) on a
viewer is stupidity, and putting advertising into software is still
considered crass and wasteful to those of us who remember when computers
were used to compute.
--
T. Max Devlin
Hi-TECH Connections/Eltrax Systems
*****************************************************
- Opinions expressed are my own.
Anyone else may use them only in
accordance with licensing agreements. -
Glen Warner
In article <356177f3...@news.supernews.com>, mde...@eltrax.com (T.
Max Devlin) wrote:
> tr...@sc.edu (Trevor Zion Bauknight), on Wed, 08 Apr 1998 12:08:15 -0400,
>
> >In article <352B2FA8...@geocities.com>, Jeff Read
> ><bit...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >
> >> imposed new distribution terms on QuickTime 3. To redistribute the
> >> runtime, you have to either pay $1 per copy, or (get this!) copy
> >> advertisements to the desktop *every time* the program is run! Even
> >
> >[...]where is the big deal?
> >
>
> The big deal is the complete lack of cluefullness concerning the methods
> and mechanisms of computers that this kind of crap betrays on the part
> of what was once thought to be an organization on the side of the "Good
> Guys" [truth, justice, the american way, life, liberty, pursuit of
> happiness, all that stuff].
>
> Imposing such a HUGE licensing fee (I'm not being sarcastic here) on a
> viewer is stupidity, and putting advertising into software is still
> considered crass and wasteful to those of us who remember when computers
> were used to compute.
> --
>
> T. Max Devlin
(*snip*)
To get rid of the QT Pro commercial, do the following:
(1) with no Apps running, reset your Date/Time control panel to the year
2000 and close the window.
(2) Start QuickTime. When the "Upgrade ..." window shows up, click 'Later'.
(3) Quit the MoviePlayer.
(4) Reset your Date/Time control panel to the appropriate year.
Now, QT won't ask you about upgrading ... until the year 2000, anyway ....
(Thanks to the folks at ResExcellence (http://www.ntsource.com/~coyle) for
this tip!).
--gdw
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