Why I Ditched PC
Jim Polaski
In article <subpop-0107...@subpop.v-wave.com>, sub...@v-wave.com
(Ken Webber) wrote:
> In article <3599684F...@geocities.com>, Jeff Read
> <bit...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> > The Mac is a path to freedom from Microsoft, eh? Say I were to run out
> > right now and buy me a Mac. Which browser would I get installed by
> > default? Cyberdog? Noooo. Netscape? Guess again. Why, it's Microsoft
> > Internet Explorer! M$ only boosted Apple up to capture the Mac users,
> > such as yourself, who thought they could escape its evil spreading
> > tentacles! Hahaha!
>
> Well, IE4 isn't bad on the Mac though.. and even then, you can take and
> drag it to the trash, drag its extension and pref file to the trash, and
> it would be 100% gone.. try that with Windows 98.. :) (also, Netscape and
> CyberDog ship with the MacOS also.. they just aren't the default for
> installation..)
>
> > You want freedom from Microsoft? Put Linux on your Mac. :)
>
> Or BeOS.. amen.. :)
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Its not called "Internet Exploder" for nothing...
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In article <jpolaski-020...@d151-216.ce.mediaone.net>,
jpol...@NO.wwa.com (Jim Polaski) wrote:
> Its not called "Internet Exploder" for nothing...
Heh.. well, (at least on my machine) IE4 is the first actually stable
version of explorer.. and its faster than Netscape.. Outlook Express
proved itself quite useless though.. :P'
Chris Horry
After a moments consideration, Ken Webber (sub...@v-wave.com) observed:
> Heh.. well, (at least on my machine) IE4 is the first actually stable
> version of explorer.. and its faster than Netscape.. Outlook Express
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*bzzt* - wrong, it's actually significantly slower :)
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Ken Webber
In article <359b9...@mercury.nildram.co.uk>, lo...@the.sig (Chris Horry) wrote:
> > Heh.. well, (at least on my machine) IE4 is the first actually stable
> > version of explorer.. and its faster than Netscape.. Outlook Express
> *bzzt* - wrong, it's actually significantly slower :)
That's funny.. because I do recall having used both the newest Navigator
and Explorer.. I still have Explorer on my computer.. and there's only one
reason.. On my computer, Explorer is faster.. (I don't know why.. my
computer must have contracted some MS disease or something.. Maybe my
Sidewinder joystick caused it.. :) Explorer's butt-ugly though..
Navigator at least looks decent.. and its mail and news functions work a
bit better than Outlook Express (which is still uselessly buggy on this
end)..
One thing I did notice though.. Explorer's download manager is slow as
hell.. My downloads through Fetch easily get 180k/s where Explorer gets
MAYBE 30k/s from the same site.. :( (at least its easy to make Explorer
USE fetch for FTP transfers.. I just wish some webmasters didn't get
stupid and start making downloads of programs through the HTTP server)
Owell, just a little bit of venting.. don't mind me.. ;)
FlyingDog
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> Chris Horry wrote in message <359b9...@mercury.nildram.co.uk>...
> >> version of explorer.. and its faster than Netscape.. Outlook Express
> >
> >*bzzt* - wrong, it's actually significantly slower :)
> >
If you really want to be picky - You're both right. Netscape is faster
than IE4 once it's loaded. IE4, however, loads four times as fast as
Netscape on a Win95/NT machine. Don't know about MacOS load times. If
anybody has a PC, try it. I can get an IE4 browser up and cranking out
pages in under 15 seconds. Netscape takes a full minute to load. Of
course, this is only because M$ cheats. They used the same executable for
both a file manager and Web browser. When you boot up your machine and
see that wonderful Start bar, you already have the DLLs for IE4 loaded.
Quantum Leaper
FlyingDog wrote in message ...
Netscape loads about twice as fast, if you elimate the Netscape logo. IE
and Netscape will browse at about the same speed. I tested it with 2
Pentuim 200 one with IE4 and the other Netscape 4, it was on a T1 line and
the sites were in Japan and Europe.
Felix Wong
> > >> Heh.. well, (at least on my machine) IE4 is the first actually stable
> > >> version of explorer..
First actually stable version? I hate to imagine how IE 3- was like! At
least for me, the IE4 browser was crashing my PC on ~1/20 web sites, which I
deemed unacceptable. This is why I switched over to Netscape, even though I
initially thought IE4 was more innovative.
> > >>and its faster than Netscape..
> > >
> > >*bzzt* - wrong, it's actually significantly slower :)
As much as I dislike MS, I have to defend IE4 here. Upon fine-tuning my web
site, I was using IE 4.01, NS 3.01, and NS 4.05. Even when I deleted my
Netscape-only "lowsrc" tags (which displays low-resolution images which the
high-res ones are downloading), IE would take ~27 seconds, while NS (either
version) would take ~31 seconds. Now that I have activated the "lowsrc" tags
again, now the difference is 27sec (IE4) to 33sec (NS). BTW, this is with a
33.6 modem.
HOWEVER, with the low-res tags on, the person browsing will see all text and
low-res images within 14 seconds. So even though it takes longer for the
entire page to finish loading on NS, it seems like a much shorter wait. You
can view my web page with both browsers to see the difference!
> FlyingDog wrote:
>
> If you really want to be picky - You're both right. Netscape is faster
> than IE4 once it's loaded. IE4, however, loads four times as fast as
> Netscape on a Win95/NT machine. Don't know about MacOS load times. If
> anybody has a PC, try it. I can get an IE4 browser up and cranking out
> pages in under 15 seconds. Netscape takes a full minute to load. Of
> course, this is only because M$ cheats. They used the same executable for
> both a file manager and Web browser. When you boot up your machine and
> see that wonderful Start bar, you already have the DLLs for IE4 loaded.
This is definitely where IE has the clear advantage... it takes far less time
to load up. However, if you load up NS just once a day and just leave it
open, this doesn't seem so significant.
IE is also faster at running Java, although it brings up a javascript error
while loading my web page that I can't figure out!
But BTW, Communicator loads up on my P233 with 128M SDRAM and Win98 in 11
seconds (IE opens in 3-4 sec). My SGI at work takes about the same. It might
be time to upgrade your computer if it takes one full minute!!!!
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Netscape loads all pages faster on my PC compared ot IE 3.02 and 4.0
IE 4.0 seems very unresponsive compared to NS 4.04 when i press the
back button or type in a URL, and especially go to an FTP or try to
download anything.
Ken Webber
FlyingDog <JDil...@netcom.com> wrote:
> If you really want to be picky - You're both right. Netscape is faster
> than IE4 once it's loaded. IE4, however, loads four times as fast as
> Netscape on a Win95/NT machine.
Not on my Mac.. IE4 and Netscape about tie... What I find faster is the
speed from the time I type in an URL to the time the web site is
finished loading.. IE4 seems to be quicker that way.
Ken Webber
Felix Wong <nos...@alumni.stanford.org> wrote:
> First actually stable version? I hate to imagine how IE 3- was like! At
> least for me, the IE4 browser was crashing my PC on ~1/20 web sites, which I
> deemed unacceptable. This is why I switched over to Netscape, even though I
> initially thought IE4 was more innovative.
On my Mac, IE3 barely even fully loaded when I had MacOS 7.5.3.. It
would just shut down.. no reason given.. I bought Norton Utils and
installed the Crashguard and it said that IE3 kept giving Unmapped
Memory Errors.. Hrmph.. Same went for Inet mail and news..
Netscape 4 was exceptional in the stability feild compared to IE3.. When
IE4 came out, it took me months to even try it cuz I just HATED MS
products.. (still do, but I have to use Excel for Stats class so..
<shrug>)..
> Now that I have activated the "lowsrc" tags
> again, now the difference is 27sec (IE4) to 33sec (NS). BTW, this is with a
> 33.6 modem.
(boy is this typical.. I remember when 9600 and 14400 were considered
high-speed modems).. If you use these two on a high-speed connection
such as ADSL or Cable, you will notice a massive difference.. On my
'puter there is no comparison... IE4 screams at web-page loading.. for
some reason though, its download manager bogs the net when its loaded so
downloads that normally go at 180+in Netscape slow right down below 50.
> IE is also faster at running Java, although it brings up a javascript error
> while loading my web page that I can't figure out!
This is true.. Or the site I liked alot - www.sonicnet.com.. When I was
using Netscape, it would take forever to load.. then the thing would
crash.. With IE4 I get the error..and then a useless web site.. So I
don't know.. At first I thought it was IE4's Java implementation.. but
then I switched to the MacOS Java engine and still got the same shit..
:(
Ian Finnesey
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FlyingDog (JDil...@netcom.com) wrote:
: anybody has a PC, try it. I can get an IE4 browser up and cranking out
: pages in under 15 seconds. Netscape takes a full minute to load. Of
Jesus christ what are you running on? NS doesn't even take a minute to
load on the Mac Centris I use at work. I think it's consideraby less than
15 seconds on my P166 at home (didn't used to be when I had 16 megs of
ram, but now...)
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: First actually stable version? I hate to imagine how IE 3- was like! At
: least for me, the IE4 browser was crashing my PC on ~1/20 web sites, which I
: deemed unacceptable. This is why I switched over to Netscape, even though I
: initially thought IE4 was more innovative.
IE 3 was very stable, but dull.
: As much as I dislike MS, I have to defend IE4 here. Upon fine-tuning my web
: site, I was using IE 4.01, NS 3.01, and NS 4.05. Even when I deleted my
: Netscape-only "lowsrc" tags (which displays low-resolution images which the
: high-res ones are downloading), IE would take ~27 seconds, while NS (either
: version) would take ~31 seconds. Now that I have activated the "lowsrc" tags
: again, now the difference is 27sec (IE4) to 33sec (NS). BTW, this is with a
: 33.6 modem.
I would be interested to see how long it takes to load the page using
Opera.
FlyingDog
Ian Finnesey wrote in message <6ntviu$sve$1...@news.alaska.edu>...
>
>Jesus christ what are you running on? NS doesn't even take a minute to
>load on the Mac Centris I use at work. I think it's consideraby less than
>15 seconds on my P166 at home (didn't used to be when I had 16 megs of
>ram, but now...)
I'm running a P166 MMX with WinNT 4 wkstn and 32MB of RAM. I had to donate
some of my RAM to a needy server of mine. :-( I just got back to 64MB about
5 minutes ago. Yeah! :-) NS does load faster now, but still not _anywhere_
near as fast as IE4.