FW: Eliyahu the Tishbite to Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon and Knesset, 08/19/2002
Lester John
Knesset, 08/19/2002
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08/19/2002
Prime Minister of Israel Ariel Sharon and Knesset,
It is time to prove through truth and not lies who the real man of
God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is at this time.
I propose that the head Rabbi of Israel and I be allowed to enter
where the holy Ark of the Covenant is, in a cave placed for safe
keeping to be revealed by an American man by the name of Ron Wyatt,
who was given by the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses to know
where it was hidden. And he alone was able to go into the cave where
it lays.
The Rabbis had him sent out of the country so that they could have
charge of the Ark of the Covenant. So they sent several young men
they anointed to be as Levites to go into the cave where the Ark of
the Covenant lays, but they were not appointed by God of Abraham,
Isaac, Jacob and Moses. So He simply slew each one of them dead, and
then none of the rest of the Rabbis dared to enter this cave where
the Ark of the Covenant lays hidden.
So they had to bring Ron Wyatt back and allow him to reenter this
cave to tie a rope around the dead Levites' feet, so they could
drag their dead bodies out for burial. And they had Ron to leave the
Land of Israel again, and they sealed up the cave afraid to reenter
it again in fear of what God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did to the
last Israelites to enter where the Ark of the Covenant lays.
So I propose that to prove who is the real man of God for this time,
that the head Rabbi and I be given to reenter this cave where the Ark
of the Covenant is, and the one that returns out alive, to prove
which one is the real appointed man of God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob
and Moses.
It takes an act of faith to enter that cave. So I am ready to do
this. Is the head Rabbi of Israel also ready?
You see, when all the islamic people and their abomination before the
God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses is removed, the dome of the
rock, which is a shrine to their false prophet mohamed, then the
Temple of our God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses can be rebuilt
at this time as commanded in His Word in Zechariah 6:12 to 15, so
that the proof of God being again on His holy Temple Mount is the
placing of the Ark of the Covenant there as a witness of His glory
upon His holy Temple Mount in the city called to be by name
Jerusalem, in the heart of His Promised Land to Israel to dwell alone
as His people, sealed by His covenant to them alone, as written in
Exodus 23:32 and again, Deuteronomy 7:2.
Make no covenant with these palestinian (philistinian) people ever.
Or anyone else.
His Servant,
Eliyahu the Tishbite
PO Box 53702, Main Post Office - Gladstone Street, Limassol CYPRUS
All Messages of the Prophet Elijah given from 01/20/02 to present are
posted for review at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TwoOliveTrees/
Atzilah
by Linda Gunderson
Have the "Arks" been found by a modern day Indiana Jones. along with every
other archaeological site of interest to Christians? Or are the assertions
untrue?
This article addresses a myriad of claimed archaeological discoveries by one
Ron Wyatt. (Even though he is now deceased, his museum director and a few
others continue to promote Wyatt's allegations, therefore they merit
investigation.) The museum displays, books, videos, and presentations are
extremely convincing. It would seem that every assertion made by his
organization is backed up by rock-solid, indisputable evidence. His videos
show well known people supporting his views. He seemed to be one of the
most humble, loving, honest and sincerely Christian men you could meet. He
had an appealing personality and demeanor that others found very believable.
However, be aware that those outside of the Wyatt camp have not been able to
verify his data. Whenever trained archaeologists, scientists or other
experts asked to examine the evidence, there were always reasons why he
couldn't produce it. This is not simply a matter of disagreement with his
views. Nor is it an attempt to falsely discredit an honest researcher.
Many of these experts are people of integrity and genuine Christian faith
who did not set out to try to discredit anyone. Some are well known and
respected in their fields. Much of Wyatt's research has been shown to be
based only on circumstantial evidence at the best, to being outright
fraudulent at the worst. If they can't see the evidence, perhaps we need
to take a closer look. If Wyatt has defrauded or misled people in any way,
then his claims - and those who still promote them - should be exposed. It
is a discredit to the name of Christ if those who call themselves Christians
continue to promote fraud (even if they have been doing it unknowingly). A
clear understanding of all of the facts is essential.
Because I teach on the subject of Noah's Ark, I became aware of Wyatt's
claim to have found the true ark a few years ago. In the foothills of the
Tenderek Mountains, about 15 miles from the twin peaks of Mount Ararat in
Eastern Turkey, lies a "boat-shaped" formation. It has a teardrop or
almond-like shape and is called the Durupinar site, after the man who
discovered it in 1959.
But the alleged Noah's Ark discovery is only the tip of the iceberg.
Not only did Mr. Wyatt assert that he had found it AND the Ark of the
Covenant, he boldly proclaimed (on tape) that he had found every
archaeological site of interest to Christians. And on a Nashville
television program, he even stated that he had held the stone tablets of the
Ten Commandments, and that they were fastened together with golden hinges!
Some would ask - is Ron Wyatt the greatest archaeologist that has ever
lived? As one of his promoters writes:
"Except God be with him, how can one man working part time on his vacations
discover so many amazing items, when large well funded organizations,
comparatively, find so little?"
But this statement alone should raise some red flags. One man - working
part time - on his vacations?? Who is he? Examine the evidence here and on
the linked pages, and see where the conclusion leads.
First, a partial list of Ron Wyatt's claimed discoveries and
accomplishments:
a.. Noah's Ark (the Durupinar site, for which he has been the prime
promoter)
b.. Stone sea anchors believed to be used by Noah to steer the vessel into
the wind
c.. Petrified timbers from the Ark that were used as memorials in an
Armenian graveyard
d.. Noah's sacrifice area at the site
e.. A large stone carving near the Ark picturing 8 people coming out of
the side, with a rainbow above the boat, and inscriptions in Summerian,
Hurrian, and Urartian identifying this formation as the Ark of Noah
f.. Trainloads of petrified pre-flood wood that had no tree rings on the
site
g.. Corroded metal fittings, found in rows, delineating the "ribs of the
ship," as indicated by metal detectors and especially a "molecular frequency
generator"
h.. A house that Noah built
i.. Stones on this house containing inscriptions that recorded details
about the Deluge
j.. A pictograph of eight people leaving a large wave of water with a boat
perched above it
k.. Noah's grave
l.. Mrs. Noah's grave (containing a fortune-her gold and jewelry)
m.. The Ark of the Covenant (under the exact spot where Jesus was
crucified)
n.. The Menorah (a seven-branched candelabra), the Table of Shewbread, and
the Golden Altar of Incense from the ancient Temple
o.. Christ's blood, scraped off of the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the
Covenant
p.. DNA analysis of the blood indicates that Christ was born of a virgin
q.. The true site of Christ's crucifixion and the stone socket in which
the cross was placed
r.. Verified the tomb of Christ was the actual tomb
s.. Claimed Jesus' tomb was sealed with a Roman iron spike, still visible
t.. Moses' stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together
with golden hinges
u.. Solved the problem of the construction of the pyramids
v.. Also the problems in Egyptian chronology
w.. Discovered the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
x.. Discovered sulfur balls from the same
y.. The true site of the Israelites' Red Sea crossing
z.. A stone monument near the site erected by Solomon, inscribed with the
ancient Hebrew script
aa.. Horse and human skeletons from Pharaoh's drowned army
ab.. Gold covered chariot wheels and chariot parts
ac.. The true Mount Sinai
ad.. The 12 altars built by Moses in Exodus 24
ae.. The actual rock Moses struck to release water at Kadesh
af.. The site of Korah's earthquake where the ground swallowed up Korah
and his followers
ag.. Knows how the Shroud of Turin was forged
ah.. Has cracked the code of the Copper Scroll
ai.. Claimed (on tape) that he can read any ancient inscription
aj.. Discovered the pillars of Solomon
ak.. The tomb of the Patriarchs, the cave of Machpelah
al.. Moses was known in Egyptian history as Thutmosa III
am.. Joseph was the builder of the first pyramid
an.. Storage bins Joseph used during the drought in Egypt
ao.. Bones of giant pre-flood people
ap.. Ancient Canaanite burial pots at Ashkelon
Wow! One man - working part time - on his vacations!! How is this
possible?
The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel
Let's go on an excavation of our own and see what we can uncover. Our
journey starts with a chapter from In Search of Temple Treasures, subtitled
The Lost Ark and the Last Days1, by a leading authority on the topic, Dr.
Randall Price2. Reprinted with author's permission. (The footnotes below
are from the original, and are reprinted at the end of the chapter.)
The "Discovery" at Mount Calvary
American Ron Wyatt, in his self-published book Discovered-Noah's Ark,
claims that on January 6, 1982, at 2:00 P.M. he discovered the Ark of the
Covenant under the escarpment of Mount Calvary, which he believes to be what
is known as "Jeremiah's Grotto." He states:
I broke into a chamber beneath the Calvary escarpment, north of the city
wall of Jerusalem. In that chamber is the Ark of the Covenant, the Table of
Showbread-that I didn't see-they were covered with animal skins, with
boards, and then stone.19
This most novel of sites has been proposed as the hiding place because
Wyatt believes it fits the concept of Jesus as the High Priest offering the
final blood atonement. To accomplish this, Watt figured, would require the
Ark. So Wyatt speculated that when Jesus was crucified on the top of this
hill, His blood must have run through a socket hole in which the cross was
set, dripped down through a crack in the mountain (caused by the earthquake
recorded in Matthew 27:51), and finally landed on the mercy seat of the Ark,
which was positioned in a subterranean chamber some 60 feet beneath the
mountain.
Wyatt sells a videotape of his various adventures. One segment shows
him standing within a cavern inside Gordon's Calvary at a box-shaped rock
within which he claims he discovered the Ark! On this video, narrated by
Wyatt's wife, Mary, the claim is made:
In January of 1982, after steadily digging in a cave system since 1979, he
busted through the rock into a chamber which contained a gold table and
several other artifacts which Ron believed to be from the First Temple.
Then, further back, he saw the top of a stone case which appeared to be the
correct size to contain the Ark of the Covenant. Overwhelmed with emotion
and double pneumonia, Ron passed out in that chamber for 45 minutes. He
knew what was in that case, but now what? He attempted to photograph it
with a Polaroid camera, a 35mm camera, and video. In every case, the photos
were a white-out. He returned home to recover and work until he could
afford to return. In May, he borrowed a colonoscope and went back.
Drilling a small hole through the case, he was able to see enough to
positively identify the contents of the stone case-it was the Ark!20
In his July 1993 newsletter, Wyatt published drawings of an
unconventional-looking Ark, based on his supposed personal examination of
the Ark using a colonscope.21
Because Wyatt has gone public with his "discovery" in churches and
seminars throughout the United States and abroad, his claim must be
subjected to scrutiny.
Evaluating the Claim
I wrote to Wyatt with the hope of obtaining a statement that I could
include in this report of his work, but Wyatt never answered my letter. As
a result, my evaluation of his claim does not have the benefit of
interaction and discussion. His claim alone, however, provides much to
doubt.
My main objection is this: Why would such a holy object as the Ark be
purposely put under such a place of defilement as an execution site? It
might be argued that this location was not an execution site at the end of
the monarchial period when the Ark was hidden. But ultimately we are forced
to admit that God would allow such an act of desecration since He, in His
omniscience, knew that it would become such a place. Theology aside, we
have to remember that the Garden Tomb (which is a part of Mount Calvary)
dates to the First Temple era, so the site itself was already a burial
grounds before the Ark would have been put into hiding. Because the Ark was
hidden specifically to preserve it from defilement, the Garden Tomb would
have been disqualified as a potential hiding place.
Credibility Problems
Bill Crouse, founder of Christian Information Ministries International,
has carefully researched Wyatt's credentials and claims. Perhaps his
evaluation best summarizes the controversy surrounding Wyatt:
Evidence generally stands or falls on its own merits. Rarely is there a
need to delve into the nature and character of the one making a claim. A
careful evaluation of the facts is usually sufficient. Unless, of course,
the one making the claim calls attention to himself in such a way that makes
us openly skeptical. Would you.not question someone who not only claims to
have found Noah's Ark, but also every archaeological site of interest to
Christians?22
Some of the sites Wyatt claims to have discovered are the true Mount
Sinai, the spot where the ground swallowed up Korah and his followers, the
exact location where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, the site of the
crucifixion, and the tomb of Christ. His claims to archaeological
discoveries include Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh under the Red Sea,
the 12 altars built by Moses, and Abraham's family tomb in Hebron (not under
the 2,000-year-old shrine!). In addition, he claims to have solved the
mystery behind the construction of the Egyptian pyramids, cracked the code
of the Copper Scroll, and discovered how the Shroud of Turin was forged. In
light of these fantastic assertions, Crouse concludes, "Is Ron Wyatt the
greatest archaeologist who ever lived? Or is there another explanation?"23
Part of the answer may be found in Wyatt's dubious credentials. His
professional training is as a nurse anesthetist, not as an archaeologist.
While this does not disqualify him from finding an archaeological sit or
artifact, it does raise questions as to how he could have solved historical
and scientific problems and made discoveries that have baffled the greatest
professional archaeologists of all time!
But there is another more disconcerting report that casts suspicion on
Wyatt's credibility. Wyatt hired Jeff Roberts and Associates, a public
relations firm in Hendersonville, Tennessee, to arrange his speaking
engagements. This firm produced for Wyatt a packet of materials that stated
he was a Korean War veteran, that he had graduated from the University of
Michigan with honors in pre-med, and that he had completed all the
requirements for both M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in antiquities. When others
investigated these credentials, they found none of these statements to be
accurate. There is no record that Wyatt served in Korea and no evidence
that he worked toward any degree at the time these materials were printed,
although he did attend Western Michigan University for several years.
A Damaging Report
Further doubt as to Wyatt's credibility was supplied by Dr. Jim
Fleming, founder and former director of the Jerusalem Center for Biblical
Studies (located at Tantur) and an editorial advisor to Biblical Archaeology
Review. He told me in the summer of 1993 that he had originally been asked
by Wyatt to be his archaeological advisor during his excavations at Mount
Calvary. Because Dr. Dan Bahat, a Jerusalem archaeologist and lecturer at
Hebrew University, had agreed to sponsor the dig, Fleming tentatively
agreed. After spending time with Wyatt at the site, however, Fleming became
alarmed at both his claims and techniques. In one instance, Fleming saw
Wyatt drop a hammer down into a large crack in the mountain. Later, Wyatt
offered as proof that he had discovered the Ark a metal-detector reading
that indicated a metal object within the rock. Fleming says he left after
this incident. Others have given similar disturbing reports concerning
Wyatt's conduct at the site. One such observer, the Reverend John Woods,
noted, "I saw him explaining to a group that a piece of metal embedded in
the face of the Garden Tomb was part of the seal Pilate had placed upon the
tomb. In fact it was a piece of shrapnel from the war [in 1967]."24
Wyatt does tell amazing stories and apparently receives generous
support from uninformed churches where he speaks. What he and other
explorers like him have not done is discover the Ark!
* Notes on Chapter 9-The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel
19. Video report of Wyatt Archaeological Research Organization, privately
circulated.
20. Ibid.
21. "Discovered," newsletter of Wyatt Archaeological Research
Organization, July 1993, p. 2.
22. Bill Crouse, "Ron Wyatt: Are His Claims Bonafide?" Ararat Report 17
(May-June 1988): 8.
23. Ibid.
24. Letter to Gordon Franz from Reverend John Woods, Executive Director,
The Gospel Mission of Washington, D.C., February 4, 1994.
Holy Relics or Revelation Review
A new book out sheds some more light. In World of the Bible Book Reviews,
Randall Price reviews Holy Relics or Revelation: Recent Astounding
Archaeological Claims Evaluated3.
"One of the questions frequently asked our ministry concerns the
archaeological allegations of the late Ron Wyatt, now perpetuated by the
Wyatt Archaeological Foundation, the Prophecy Club, and messianic speaker
Michael Rood. At last there is a book written by two researchers in
critique of all of Wyatt's alleged discoveries including for example Noah's
Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Egyptian chariot wheels in the Red Sea, Sodom
& Gomorrah, the Pillars of Solomon, and Abraham's tomb.
The authors, like Wyatt, are Seventh-Day Adventists. Their criticisms
therefore, are not as much with his theology but with Wyatt's supposed
archaeological research. Of particular interest is their exposure of
inconsistencies in the varied accounts given by Wyatt concerning his
discoveries and a collection of excuses by Wyatt for such inconsistencies
and for his promised evidence not being forthcoming. This book is
recommended to any who have wanted a thorough evaluation of Wyatt and his
claims3.
The Sites
Further digging reveals some surprising findings. There is an incredible
amount of scientific data and archaeological evidence which contradicts
these amazing discoveries. Explore the websites listed below for factual
information about the claims and Mr. Wyatt himself.
1) http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1154.asp
Amazing Ark Expose: Could This be Noah's Ark? Excellent well-researched
article.
Also see "Comments Concerning Alleged Rebuttal" to this article at the same
address.
2) http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation. The intro page and "A
Great Christian Scam" are well worth reading.
Links to other enlightening articles are at the bottom of that page. Also a
book review of Holy Relics3.
3) http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v21n2_ark.asp
Has the Ark of the Covenant Been Found?
4) http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/
Excellent research by David Merling, archaeologist, Andrews
University
5) http://www.fni.com/cim/reports/wyatt.txt
RON WYATT: ARE HIS CLAIMS BONAFIDE? by Bill Crouse
6) http://www.worldofthebible.com/Newslett.htm
Randall Price's site. Go to the Questions & Answers section at the middle
of the article.
7) http://www.noahsarksearch.com/durupinar.htm
Describes the site, lists pros and cons, has photos and links
8) http://christiananswers.net/abr/scoop.html#Sinai1
Is Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia? Bible and Spade, Associates for
Biblical Research
Footnotes
1Randall Price, In Search of Temple Treasures, The Lost Ark and the Last
Days, Chapter 9 - The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel, pages 152-156; and
Notes page 367. Harvest House Publishers, copyright 1994. Out of print.
Used with author's permission.
2 Dr. Randall Price is president of World of the Bible Ministries, Inc., a
nonprofit educational equipping organization providing a clearer
understanding of the Bible and biblical issues through information on the
ancient and modern Middle East; Bible prophecy; and historical, cultural,
and archaeological studies. He holds a master's degree in Old Testament and
Semitic Languages from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. in Hebrew
Literature and Middle Eastern Languages, Literatures, and Cultures from the
University of Texas at Austin, where he also taught courses in biblical
archaeology and the history and culture of modern Israel. He has done
graduate studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has conducted
archaeological excavations in Jerusalem and the region of Galilee, and is a
certified tour guide to the State of Israel. He has authored several books
and has appeared nationwide on the CBS television specials Ancient Secrets
of the Bible, and was the focus of a series about the Temple and its
treasures on the nationally acclaimed Christian program The John Ankerberg
Show.
3 Russell R. Standish & Colin D. Standish, Holy Relics or Revelation:
Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (Rapidan, Virginia:
Hartland Publications, 1999). Order from: Hartland Publications, Box 1,
Rapidan, VA 22733 (800) 774-3566.
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Articles and Letters
a.. A Great Christian Scam
b.. Letter from Lorence Collins
c.. Letter from John Baumgardner, Ph.D.
d.. The Boat Shaped Formation, by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
e.. Letter from Harold G. Coffin to David Merling
f.. Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part I - Dr. David Merling
g.. Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part II - Dr. David Merling
h.. Letter from Thomas Fenner, Geophysicist
i.. Statement by William H. Shea, Biblical Research Institute
j.. Letter from Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology, Israel
Antiquities Authority
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As I stated before : there is a very simple solution .... find the cave
(from the video I saw, it shouldn't be too difficult to find), enter in, and
if you see nothing and come out alive, then you would proved something.
in the blood of Jesus,
Lester
Lester John
in the blood of Jesus,
Lester
> I didn't see a date for this article, but Ron Wyatt died in 1999, so
> he is very unlikely to be responding to letters.
>
> --
> regards, Fred
>
> "Verbing weirds language." -- Calvin
>
Atzilah
reputable archaeolgists on this one.
Atzilah
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me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed
their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept
of men:"
[Isaiah 29:14]"Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work
among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of
their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men
shall be hid."
in the blood of Yeshua,
Lester
> Now there's a practical solution! I think I'll listen to the reports of
> reputable archaeolgists on this one.
>
> Atzilah
>
> >
Atzilah
something that just isn't true.
Atzilah
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Lester John
G-d. I just forward the information here, what you make of it, is between
you and G-d.
in the blood of Jesus,
Lester
> Thanks for quoting the verses, however, I'm still not going to believe in