Jesus is not a sinner.
Michael Christ
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Michael Christ
Barry OGrady
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
If you are in Christ you have AIDS.
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Christ does not sin because it doesn't exist.
>Michael Christ
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Barry
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Randy ®
Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
> Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
And we know just from the way Michael behaves in here that he
still sins, so his own standard has just disqualified him as
being in Christ.
1 John 1:8 NIV
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
Since Michael claims to be without sin, he deceives himself, and
the truth is not in him.
Galatians 2:17 NIV
(17) "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes
evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ
promotes sin? Absolutely not!
Peter erred and had to be rebuked by Paul, and this occurred
after we know Peter was in fact saved. This verse also directly
says "God forbid" to the idea that if we sin, then it means
Christ must also sin.
Romans 7:18-25 NIV
(18) I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful
nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot
carry it out.
(19) For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I
do not want to do�this I keep on doing.
(20) Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who
do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
(21) So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is
right there with me.
(22) For in my inner being I delight in God's law;
(23) but I see another law at work in the members of my body,
waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of
the law of sin at work within my members.
(24) What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body
of death?
(25) Thanks be to God�through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I
myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful
nature a slave to the law of sin.
Paul describes his struggle with his "sinful nature"
Galatians 5:16-17 NIV
(16) So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the
desires of the sinful nature.
(17) For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the
Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature.
They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what
you want.
Paul instructs the Galatians to walk by the Spirit and not
gratify the desires of the "sinful nature". If they didn't have
a sinful nature, there would be no need for this instruction.
Ephesians 4:22 NIV
(22) You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to
put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful
desires;
"is being corrupted", is in the present, not past or aorist
tense. The old self is not eradicated until glory, else it
wouldn't still be in the process of corrupting, and they wouldn't
need any warning to put it off.
In fact, when is the last time someone read a piece of Scripture
that didn't warn _believers_ to avoid sin, or reference the
unfortunate consequences of their sin? The NT epistles
_constantly_ warn believers to avoid sin, put sin away, and to
yield to the Spirit, which would be unnecessary if the sin nature
were eradicated and true believers were incapable of sinning any
more.
Now we have seen the direct testimony of numerous passages of
Scripture that directly state we have a "sinful nature", that
show examples of people we know to have been saved having a
struggle with their sin nature and even committing sin and error.
We have the constant warnings throughout all Scripture, for the
righteous to avoid sin, and walk in the Spirit rather than their
old nature. All of this would be unnecessary, if the sin nature
were eradicated at the moment of salvation, or if believers did
not or could not sin.
Now let's consider another verse misused in an attempt to promote
the lie that we do not still have a sin nature or sin after we're
saved:
2 Corinthians 5:17 NIV
(17) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation;
the old has gone, the new has come!
Notice this is referring to our _position_, not what we actually
experience in our daily walk. It is "in Christ" that we are a
new creation, just as in Ephesians 1, it is "in Christ" that we
are "seated in the heavenlies". Does that mean we are no longer
living on earth? No, it means that in our standing with God, we
are seated in the heavenlies, "in Christ", even though we know we
also still struggle with life here on earth. The fact that
spiritually, we are in heaven, doesn't change the fact we are
_also_ living on earth in our bodies.
Likewise, the fact that in our position in Christ, we have died
to sin and been raised to newness of life, have become a new
creation, etc., doesn't change the fact we also still have a sin
nature that we struggle with, so long as we walk on earth in
these unredeemed bodies (Romans 8).
Our position in Christ is the standing we have with God that
makes it possible for us to enjoy and live in the spiritual
benefits of salvation, but it does not mean our sin nature or our
struggle with sin has been eradicated.
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Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Michael Christ
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life and be your LORD and
SAVIOUR, not the Bible, but Him, Randy. Put your little self-styled Bible
and translations down and kneel and pray. Ask, seek, and knock and wait on
Him to show you the path in your daily life in which you have to walk in
faith to lose that horrible nature.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life
in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Michael Christ
PS Jesus is not a sinner.
PPS
Randy wrote:
> 1 John 1:8 NIV
> (8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
> not in us.
Repent then, and walk in the light.
Stop sinning against me Randy.
Barry OGrady
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>And yet, it is so...
>
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
1 John 1:8 NIV
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
not in us.
>Ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life and be your LORD and
>SAVIOUR, not the Bible, but Him, Randy. Put your little self-styled Bible
>and translations down and kneel and pray. Ask, seek, and knock and wait on
>Him to show you the path in your daily life in which you have to walk in
>faith to lose that horrible nature.
>
>Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life
>in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
1 John 1:8 NIV
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
not in us.
>Michael Christ
>
>PS Jesus is not a sinner.
Only because it doesn't exist.
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Barry
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
S I N
Sin has always been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to
bolster membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a
universal distaste for sin - even a thief gets highly agitated if
someone breaks into his home and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let
alone write. Eons later sin was
hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated by the clergy with
more force and enthusiasm than any other example of religious
dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on, like Mickey here, defer from
manipulating sin as a propagating tool - they too will never be
free from sin themselves.
Barry OGrady
>And yet, it is so...
>
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
It is a sin to be in Christ.
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Dead people don't sin.
>Ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life and be your LORD and
>SAVIOUR, not the Bible, but Him, Randy.
The bible exists.
>Put your little self-styled Bible
>and translations down and kneel and pray. Ask, seek, and knock and wait on
>Him to show you the path in your daily life in which you have to walk in
>faith to lose that horrible nature.
Nobody can wait that long.
Why is God giving us a horrible nature?
>Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life
>in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Such a God is best ignored.
>Michael Christ
>
>PS Jesus is not a sinner.
Jesus sinned while it was on earth.
>PPS
You are not a sinner.
1 John 1:8 NIV
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
not in us.
Barry
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