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iqn...@noemail.com
May 16, 2013, 7:14:02 PM5/16/13
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Did the Apostle Paul ever say, he himself was the Messiah?
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[1 Cor 1:10-13] (KJV)
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing,
and that there be no divisions among you; but that
ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind
and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren,
by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are
contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul;
and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye
baptized in the name of Paul?
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And for those that don't like the old english...
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[1 Cor 1:10-13] (NIV)
10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one
another so that there may be no divisions among
you and that you may be perfectly united in mind
and thought.
11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household have
informed me that there are quarrels among you.
12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul";
another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas";
still another, "I follow Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you?
Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
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And the answer is a resounding no, which Paul directly states.
So, what is the "contentions among you"?
But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
you would do well understanding the works and salvation
which is through Jesus Christ.
And consider this...
Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
Terry Cross
May 16, 2013, 7:53:41 PM5/16/13
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and come to a consensus on the doctrine. That was Paul's idea. Paul
was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
of Moses. See Deut. 13.
TCross
iqn...@noemail.com
May 16, 2013, 8:16:08 PM5/16/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:53:42 +0000
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Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"That was Paul's idea" ??
Cite?
I doubt he did this of his own.
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Is Christ divided?
But, that everyone should be of one mind. One Gospel. Not dozens.
I see nothing wrong with that.
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Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Cite?
I doubt he did this of his own.
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Is Christ divided?
But, that everyone should be of one mind. One Gospel. Not dozens.
I see nothing wrong with that.
Snow
May 16, 2013, 8:21:18 PM5/16/13
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On May 17, 9:53 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > which is through Jesus Christ.
>
> > And consider this...
> > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
>
> Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> and come to a consensus on the doctrine. That was Paul's idea. Paul
> was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> of Moses. See Deut. 13.
>
> TCross
Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > which is through Jesus Christ.
>
> > And consider this...
> > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
>
> Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> and come to a consensus on the doctrine. That was Paul's idea. Paul
> was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> of Moses. See Deut. 13.
>
> TCross
says hunt them down and condemn them, let the be MaranaTha and
accursed. One says, kick them out if they don't agree, the other says,
the Physician comes for those who are sick, not the righteous. :)
iqn...@noemail.com
May 16, 2013, 8:28:19 PM5/16/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 00:21:18 +0000
Message-ID: <e6d3ae52-6281-4913...@vx13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > > And consider this...
> > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
> >
> > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > and come to a consensus on the doctrine. =A0That was Paul's idea. =A0Paul
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Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > > And consider this...
> > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
> >
> > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> > of Moses. =A0See Deut. 13.
> > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> >
> > TCross
>
> Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> says hunt them down and condemn them,
Cite?
> > TCross
>
> Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> says hunt them down and condemn them,
Snow
May 16, 2013, 8:37:11 PM5/16/13
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together, (and my spirit), with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
--- Now what's this about gathering together in Paul's spirit?
1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the (destruction of the
flesh), that the spirit may be saved (in the day) of the Lord Jesus.
Saved in the day but not by "the Lord Jesus".. wow.. What apostle
calls for men to be delivered to Satan?
Need you hear more?
Terry Cross
May 16, 2013, 8:45:12 PM5/16/13
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On May 16, 5:37 pm, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 17, 10:28 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
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> On May 17, 10:28 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
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> > Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> > > On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > > > which is through Jesus Christ.
>
> > > > > And consider this...
> > > > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
>
> > > > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > > > and come to a consensus on the doctrine. =A0That was Paul's idea. =A0Paul
> > > > was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> > > > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> > > > of Moses. =A0See Deut. 13.
>
> > > > TCross
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> > > Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> > > says hunt them down and condemn them,
>
> > Cite?
>
> > > let the be MaranaTha and
> > > accursed. One says, kick them out if they don't agree, the other says,
> > > the Physician comes for those who are sick, not the righteous. :)
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> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, (and my spirit), with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
> --- Now what's this about gathering together in Paul's spirit?
Here a bunch more you dug up earlier:
> > Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> > > On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > > > which is through Jesus Christ.
>
> > > > > And consider this...
> > > > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
>
> > > > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > > > and come to a consensus on the doctrine. =A0That was Paul's idea. =A0Paul
> > > > was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> > > > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> > > > of Moses. =A0See Deut. 13.
>
> > > > TCross
>
> > > Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> > > says hunt them down and condemn them,
>
> > Cite?
>
> > > let the be MaranaTha and
> > > accursed. One says, kick them out if they don't agree, the other says,
> > > the Physician comes for those who are sick, not the righteous. :)
>
> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, (and my spirit), with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
> --- Now what's this about gathering together in Paul's spirit?
2Co 11:10 As the truth of the Messiah is in me..
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me.
2Co 13:3 …the Messiah speaking in me
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with the Messiah: …the Messiah liveth in me
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of Elohim, even as the Messiah
Yashua.
iqn...@noemail.com
May 16, 2013, 8:53:26 PM5/16/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 00:37:11 +0000
Message-ID: <bf21bee6-edc0-43b9...@ve4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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fully understanding what was written.
Believe what you will. It doesn't matter.
As I have already said...
> But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> which is through Jesus Christ.
If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
so be it.
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Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> ps.com>
> > Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > > > which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > > > > And consider this...
> > > > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
> >
> > > > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > > > and come to a consensus on the doctrine. =A0That was Paul's idea. =
> =A0Paul
> > > > was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> > > > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> > > > of Moses. =A0See Deut. 13.
> >
> > > > TCross
> >
> > > Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> > > says hunt them down and condemn them,
> >
> > Cite?
> >
> > > let the be MaranaTha and
> > > accursed. One says, kick them out if they don't agree, the other says,
> > > the Physician comes for those who are sick, not the righteous. =A0:)
> > Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 17, 9:53=A0am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> > > > > as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> > > > > you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> > > > > which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > > > > And consider this...
> > > > > Most people at that time, didn't even have That.
> >
> > > > Jesus did not suggest the Apostles should argue out their differences
> > > > and come to a consensus on the doctrine. =A0That was Paul's idea. =
> =A0Paul
> > > > was playing the Pharisee, insisting on a single unified doctrine so
> > > > that heresy could be adjudged -- and punished in the grand old style
> > > > of Moses. =A0See Deut. 13.
> >
> > > > TCross
> >
> > > Correct Terri, One doctrine says, "Leave them alone." and the other
> > > says hunt them down and condemn them,
> >
> > Cite?
> >
> > > let the be MaranaTha and
> > > accursed. One says, kick them out if they don't agree, the other says,
>
> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, (and my spirit), with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
> --- Now what's this about gathering together in Paul's spirit?
> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the (destruction of the
> flesh), that the spirit may be saved (in the day) of the Lord Jesus.
> Saved in the day but not by "the Lord Jesus".. wow.. What apostle
> calls for men to be delivered to Satan?
>
> Need you hear more?
As usual, you take the passage out of context, without
> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, (and my spirit), with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
> --- Now what's this about gathering together in Paul's spirit?
> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the (destruction of the
> flesh), that the spirit may be saved (in the day) of the Lord Jesus.
> Saved in the day but not by "the Lord Jesus".. wow.. What apostle
> calls for men to be delivered to Satan?
>
> Need you hear more?
fully understanding what was written.
Believe what you will. It doesn't matter.
As I have already said...
> But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> which is through Jesus Christ.
so be it.
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Snow
May 16, 2013, 9:25:15 PM5/16/13
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On May 17, 10:53 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> so be it.
What a refreshing attitude. So be it. You have a great day and be
> If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> so be it.
blessed.
Rod
May 16, 2013, 10:04:59 PM5/16/13
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Rod
May 16, 2013, 10:10:48 PM5/16/13
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it isn't by the Lord Jesus ?
But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
Holy Spirit.
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> Need you hear more?
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Yeah...I think we'd better..
Rod
May 16, 2013, 10:15:16 PM5/16/13
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and to them ! No one but a fool likes to be deceived !
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> As I have already said...
>
>> But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
>> as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
>> you would do well understanding the works and salvation
>> which is through Jesus Christ.
>
> If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> so be it.
>
>
iqn...@noemail.com
May 17, 2013, 1:57:58 AM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:10:38 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <kn43it$u74$5...@dont-email.me>
1) Out of context to the flow of content presented.
2) It wasn't addressed to anyone else, other than Snow.
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> > As I have already said...
> >
> >> But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> >> as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> >> you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> >> which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> > so be it.
> >
> >
> This I agree with.
Miracles do happen.
Message-ID: <kn43it$u74$5...@dont-email.me>
2) It wasn't addressed to anyone else, other than Snow.
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> >
> > As I have already said...
> >
> >> But... I am convinced, that if you only had ONE of the Gospels
> >> as your ONLY source of reading material (ie: Matthew),
> >> you would do well understanding the works and salvation
> >> which is through Jesus Christ.
> >
> > If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> > so be it.
> >
> >
> This I agree with.
Snow
May 17, 2013, 2:14:36 AM5/17/13
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On May 17, 3:57 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> > > If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> > > so be it.
>
> > This I agree with.
>
> Miracles do happen.
Just goes to show that its better to treat people with love and
> > > If your faith only allows for the Gospels and nothing else,
> > > so be it.
>
> > This I agree with.
>
> Miracles do happen.
respect then it is to be 'right' in our own minds. Love is after all
the greatest command.
iqn...@noemail.com
May 17, 2013, 2:30:37 AM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <kn43ai$u74$4...@dont-email.me>
Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Rod wrote:
> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> Holy Spirit.
And... you have a cite to back this up?
Think about this before you reply...
1) What was Paul's appointed ministry?
2) Was there anyone Else there to Baptize?
3) If so, what was their appointed ministry?
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Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Rod wrote:
> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> Holy Spirit.
Think about this before you reply...
1) What was Paul's appointed ministry?
2) Was there anyone Else there to Baptize?
3) If so, what was their appointed ministry?
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Rod
May 18, 2013, 4:41:45 PM5/18/13
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On 5/17/2013 1:30 AM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <kn43ai$u74$4...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> <snip>
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> Rod wrote:
>> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
>> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
>> Holy Spirit.
>
> And... you have a cite to back this up?
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <kn43ai$u74$4...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Rod wrote:
>> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
>> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
>> Holy Spirit.
>
> And... you have a cite to back this up?
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
>
> Think about this before you reply...
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and
with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.
Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Christ did not mention Paul by name, not even one time
Rod
May 18, 2013, 5:23:22 PM5/18/13
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On 5/17/2013 2:18 AM, Pete wrote:
> deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his
> spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1Co 5:5 NKJV)
>
> They were saved, but the man was doing his fathers wife, and the whole
> church knew about it. They were to be kicked out and turned over to satan,
> so that satan would help them reap the consequences of their sin and thus
> come to the realization of there error and return and repent of their sin
> and thus be delivered. Saving them from eternal destruction. This was not
> the only time. These two were knowingly sinning.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Here is what it looks like to me: many here have believe they
have found a way around the Law in Paul, but delivering up
someone to be killed isn't an act of love...it's an act that leads
to murder.
An endorsement of Paul is an endorsement of murder, and to prove
this is true is simple; many so called Christians support capital
punishment.
Now I know what might be coming next, the "we have jesus to cover
our sins" argument...
no you don't...it s deliberate sin. It wasn't an act of self defense
or the defense of another. You planned this out and turned two people
over to be murdered.
>
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>>> Need you hear more?
>>>
>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>
> Regarding judgment....
> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
> you not judge those who are inside?
> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>
>
*It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
who does the killing.
You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Killing isn't an act of love, never has been and never will be.
it's an act of depraved indifference to everything except venting
hatred.
As you can see....and at the bottom it is all brought into focus;
in Matthew 22:40...
and just when you think you have found a way around the commandments
you see Matthew 22:37-40....<smiling...>
> spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1Co 5:5 NKJV)
>
> They were saved, but the man was doing his fathers wife, and the whole
> church knew about it. They were to be kicked out and turned over to satan,
> so that satan would help them reap the consequences of their sin and thus
> come to the realization of there error and return and repent of their sin
> and thus be delivered. Saving them from eternal destruction. This was not
> the only time. These two were knowingly sinning.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Here is what it looks like to me: many here have believe they
have found a way around the Law in Paul, but delivering up
someone to be killed isn't an act of love...it's an act that leads
to murder.
An endorsement of Paul is an endorsement of murder, and to prove
this is true is simple; many so called Christians support capital
punishment.
Now I know what might be coming next, the "we have jesus to cover
our sins" argument...
no you don't...it s deliberate sin. It wasn't an act of self defense
or the defense of another. You planned this out and turned two people
over to be murdered.
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Need you hear more?
>>>
>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>
> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
> you not judge those who are inside?
> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>
>
*It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
who does the killing.
You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Killing isn't an act of love, never has been and never will be.
it's an act of depraved indifference to everything except venting
hatred.
As you can see....and at the bottom it is all brought into focus;
in Matthew 22:40...
and just when you think you have found a way around the commandments
you see Matthew 22:37-40....<smiling...>
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Linda Lee
May 18, 2013, 5:39:15 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 4:41 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 1:30 AM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
> > Message-ID: <kn43ai$u7...@dont-email.me>
> On 5/17/2013 1:30 AM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
> > Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Rod wrote:
> >> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> >> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> >> Holy Spirit.
>
> > And... you have a cite to back this up?
>
> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
>
> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
> flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Anyone outside the church was at risk of suffering disease and death
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Rod wrote:
> >> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> >> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> >> Holy Spirit.
>
> > And... you have a cite to back this up?
>
> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
> together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
>
> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
> flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
from Satan. Only believers could overcome and cast out the devils. And
if you'll look at the surrounding verses, it is clear that Paul is
talking about excommunicating the man; he was to "be taken away from
among you" (I Cor. 5:2); they were not to company with him or eat with
him (I Cor. 5:11).
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles,
that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he
that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have
judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so
done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven
together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new
lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed
for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither
with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened
bread of sincerity and truth.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with
fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or
with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must
ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any
man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an
idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an
one no not to eat.
Rod
May 18, 2013, 5:41:45 PM5/18/13
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On 5/18/2013 4:30 PM, Pete wrote:
> Just like druggies have to hit pure bottom, so low that they have to look
> up to see the bottom before they cry out for help, in v31 he turned them
> over to Satan so that they would have to bear the destructions caused by
> their sinning, and quickly so that *their spirit may be saved" when the
> return of Jesus happens. IOW's their spirits were sealed otherwise they
> would be lost.
>
> Act 18:9 Now the Lord spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be
> afraid, but speak, and do not keep silent;
> Act 18:10 for I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I
> have many people in this city."
>
> Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of
> Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
>
> Act 23:11 But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, "Be of
> good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you
> must also bear witness at Rome."
>
> All written by Luke.
>
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.....written by God.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Breaking a commandment isn't loving God, leading your sinning
neighbor to his and her death isn't LOVING GOD
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
breaking the commandments isn't living up to them in Matthew 22:37-40,
it's deliberate sin. God isn't going to crucify His Son a second time
for anyone.
> up to see the bottom before they cry out for help, in v31 he turned them
> over to Satan so that they would have to bear the destructions caused by
> their sinning, and quickly so that *their spirit may be saved" when the
> return of Jesus happens. IOW's their spirits were sealed otherwise they
> would be lost.
>
> Act 18:9 Now the Lord spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be
> afraid, but speak, and do not keep silent;
> Act 18:10 for I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I
> have many people in this city."
>
> Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of
> Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
>
> Act 23:11 But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, "Be of
> good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you
> must also bear witness at Rome."
>
> All written by Luke.
>
THOU SHALT NOT KILL.....written by God.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Breaking a commandment isn't loving God, leading your sinning
neighbor to his and her death isn't LOVING GOD
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
it's deliberate sin. God isn't going to crucify His Son a second time
for anyone.
Linda Lee
May 18, 2013, 5:42:16 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 4:41 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Message-ID: <kn43ai$u7...@dont-email.me>
> > Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Rod wrote:
> >> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> >> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> >> Holy Spirit.
Satan was called the god of this world; they didn't have to go to hell
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Rod wrote:
> >> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
> >> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
> >> Holy Spirit.
to be subjected to Satan and the devils.
Rod
May 18, 2013, 5:52:07 PM5/18/13
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On 5/18/2013 4:39 PM, Linda Lee wrote:
> On May 18, 4:41 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2013 1:30 AM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Message-ID: <kn43ai$u7...@dont-email.me>
>>> Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
>>>> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>
>>> And... you have a cite to back this up?
>>
>> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
>> together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
>>
>> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
>> flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
>
> Anyone outside the church was at risk of suffering disease and death
> from Satan. Only believers could overcome and cast out the devils. And
> if you'll look at the surrounding verses, it is clear that Paul is
> talking about excommunicating the man; he was to "be taken away from
> among you" (I Cor. 5:2); they were not to company with him or eat with
> him (I Cor. 5:11).
This I would agree with if this is what Paul was doing, but with
> On May 18, 4:41 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2013 1:30 AM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 02:06:10 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Message-ID: <kn43ai$u7...@dont-email.me>
>>> Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>> Rod wrote:
>>>> But yeah, Paul is sending them to hell before they receive the Holy
>>>> Spirit, knowing full well they will never get to heaven without the
>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>
>>> And... you have a cite to back this up?
>>
>> 1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered
>> together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
>>
>> 1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the
>> flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
>
> Anyone outside the church was at risk of suffering disease and death
> from Satan. Only believers could overcome and cast out the devils. And
> if you'll look at the surrounding verses, it is clear that Paul is
> talking about excommunicating the man; he was to "be taken away from
> among you" (I Cor. 5:2); they were not to company with him or eat with
> him (I Cor. 5:11).
Paul's past history it's a leap in faith that I am not ready to
make, at least not until I know more about him as a person.
here who think it is fitting to turn a sinner over to be killed
and will do so. They believe they can justify it by Paul's words,
but it is clear what Matthew 22:37-40 says about it.
I am going to keep what you have said to me in mind as I
study him thru outside sources.
And why would Christ did not mention Paul by name, not even one time ?
Rod
May 18, 2013, 5:54:17 PM5/18/13
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past history.....hmmmm.
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Rod
May 20, 2013, 7:21:00 AM5/20/13
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On 5/18/2013 6:15 PM, Pete wrote:
> Murder is today's interpretation of that verse.
> and rubs your nose in their sin, scoffing at you and saying "I have no
> sin", then turning them over to their sinful pleasure is in effect turning
> them over to satan. It is done in the hopes like a druggy hitting rock
> bottom and they will repent and return. Paul speaks to that, and says for
> the church not to be slow in bringing them back in lest they fall again
> forever. IOW's bring them back in quickly when they ask showing remorse.
> end is fixed. Whether or not Paul did it what is going to happen to them is
> inevitable. It is their choice and there actions IS going to split the
> church or bring it down with contentiousness. Paul was stating to "cut out
> the cancer" before all the other inevitable problems. Stuff a lot of people
> have seen happen in todays churches when it was not dealt with.
> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
That the church is supposed to
> accept it because somehow it is not erroneous to do?
See above.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Need you hear more?
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>>>
>>> Regarding judgment....
>>> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
>>> you not judge those who are inside?
>>> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
>>> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>>>
>>>
>> *It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
>> they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
>> who does the killing.
>>
>> You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
>> hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
>>
>
> That is not true.
I see what I see what I see.
And in any event this is a microcosm of what? !0 -15
> people?
>
> Myself regarding someone who has been pretty immoral and blamed it on God,
> I have said repeatedly that if they renounced it or ever had renounced it
> and repented from it then it should be quickly dropped be me and others
> concurred as well. They stuck to their sin and said what's it to do with
> you. IOW's wanting others to play stupid.
>
> If someone tells me they are sorry I forgive, and part of that is not
> bringing it up again. But even if I were to screw up and throw it back in
> someones face the minute I am Po'd is no reason to discount the teachings
> of God. It just shows my failure and I am the one accountable.
So you think killing is fulfilling the commands ?? That's nuts Pete,
if that were true then papa Doc would have been a saint!
>
> Have you thought about and pondered the sin those two were in? That they
> were unwilling to repent? That they wanted to go to church with everyone
> else and put on a front when everyone knew what was going on? Throwing it
> in Gods face?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
>
> What then do you think about Peter with Ananias, and Sapphira? Who
> literally dropped dead in Church? Acts 5:1-5 Is Peter now doomed too?
>
>
>
God did it, not Peter.
>
>> Here is what it looks like to me: many here have believe they
>> have found a way around the Law in Paul, but delivering up
>> someone to be killed isn't an act of love...it's an act that leads
>> to murder.
>>
>
> It was judging, which is to be down with our own. When one is non-repentant
>> Here is what it looks like to me: many here have believe they
>> have found a way around the Law in Paul, but delivering up
>> someone to be killed isn't an act of love...it's an act that leads
>> to murder.
>>
>
> and rubs your nose in their sin, scoffing at you and saying "I have no
> sin", then turning them over to their sinful pleasure is in effect turning
> them over to satan. It is done in the hopes like a druggy hitting rock
> bottom and they will repent and return. Paul speaks to that, and says for
> the church not to be slow in bringing them back in lest they fall again
> forever. IOW's bring them back in quickly when they ask showing remorse.
>
>> An endorsement of Paul is an endorsement of murder, and to prove
>> this is true is simple; many so called Christians support capital
>> punishment.
>>
> Only by your current interpretation taken to a conclusion that the persons
>> An endorsement of Paul is an endorsement of murder, and to prove
>> this is true is simple; many so called Christians support capital
>> punishment.
>>
> end is fixed. Whether or not Paul did it what is going to happen to them is
> inevitable. It is their choice and there actions IS going to split the
> church or bring it down with contentiousness. Paul was stating to "cut out
> the cancer" before all the other inevitable problems. Stuff a lot of people
> have seen happen in todays churches when it was not dealt with.
>
>
>> Now I know what might be coming next, the "we have jesus to cover
>> our sins" argument...
>>
>> no you don't...it s deliberate sin. It wasn't an act of self defense
>> or the defense of another. You planned this out and turned two people
>> over to be murdered.
>>
>
> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
>
>> Now I know what might be coming next, the "we have jesus to cover
>> our sins" argument...
>>
>> no you don't...it s deliberate sin. It wasn't an act of self defense
>> or the defense of another. You planned this out and turned two people
>> over to be murdered.
>>
>
> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
That the church is supposed to
> accept it because somehow it is not erroneous to do?
See above.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Need you hear more?
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>>>
>>> Regarding judgment....
>>> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
>>> you not judge those who are inside?
>>> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
>>> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>>>
>>>
>> *It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
>> they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
>> who does the killing.
>>
>> You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
>> hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
>>
>
I see what I see what I see.
And in any event this is a microcosm of what? !0 -15
> people?
>
> Myself regarding someone who has been pretty immoral and blamed it on God,
> I have said repeatedly that if they renounced it or ever had renounced it
> and repented from it then it should be quickly dropped be me and others
> concurred as well. They stuck to their sin and said what's it to do with
> you. IOW's wanting others to play stupid.
>
> If someone tells me they are sorry I forgive, and part of that is not
> bringing it up again. But even if I were to screw up and throw it back in
> someones face the minute I am Po'd is no reason to discount the teachings
> of God. It just shows my failure and I am the one accountable.
>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
>> all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
>>
>> Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
>>
>> Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
>> as thyself.
>>
>> Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Killing isn't an act of love, never has been and never will be.
>> it's an act of depraved indifference to everything except venting
>> hatred.
>>
>> As you can see....and at the bottom it is all brought into focus;
>> in Matthew 22:40...
>>
>> and just when you think you have found a way around the commandments
>> you see Matthew 22:37-40....<smiling...>
>
> So you think satan works at the whims of men?
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
>> all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
>>
>> Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
>>
>> Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
>> as thyself.
>>
>> Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Killing isn't an act of love, never has been and never will be.
>> it's an act of depraved indifference to everything except venting
>> hatred.
>>
>> As you can see....and at the bottom it is all brought into focus;
>> in Matthew 22:40...
>>
>> and just when you think you have found a way around the commandments
>> you see Matthew 22:37-40....<smiling...>
>
So you think killing is fulfilling the commands ?? That's nuts Pete,
if that were true then papa Doc would have been a saint!
>
> Have you thought about and pondered the sin those two were in? That they
> were unwilling to repent? That they wanted to go to church with everyone
> else and put on a front when everyone knew what was going on? Throwing it
> in Gods face?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
>
> What then do you think about Peter with Ananias, and Sapphira? Who
> literally dropped dead in Church? Acts 5:1-5 Is Peter now doomed too?
>
>
>
God did it, not Peter.
iqn...@noemail.com
May 20, 2013, 6:26:14 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete wrote:
> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
I knew of a situation between some parent's and their son.
The son became so out of control with drugs and behaviour,
that the parents were completely out of choices, by their
own means.
The school principle, had also called several times complaining
that he was causing too many problems. He had been given
counseling several times, to no avail.
In the end, they were out of options. They sent him to a
Rehab Clinic. When he came out three months later, he
understood that his parents did that for his own good.
This son was not killed - but rather learn his lesson and
return back to his parents.
This is just one example, but that is what the message is.
Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete wrote:
> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
Rod wrote:
> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
I knew of a situation between some parent's and their son.
The son became so out of control with drugs and behaviour,
that the parents were completely out of choices, by their
own means.
The school principle, had also called several times complaining
that he was causing too many problems. He had been given
counseling several times, to no avail.
In the end, they were out of options. They sent him to a
Rehab Clinic. When he came out three months later, he
understood that his parents did that for his own good.
This son was not killed - but rather learn his lesson and
return back to his parents.
This is just one example, but that is what the message is.
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May 24, 2013, 8:22:29 AM5/24/13
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On 5/20/2013 5:26 PM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pete wrote:
>> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
>> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
>
> Rod wrote:
>> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
>> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
>> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
>
> Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
This isn't a part of the gospel of Christ.
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pete wrote:
>> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
>> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
>
> Rod wrote:
>> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
>> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
>> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
>
> Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
Snow
May 24, 2013, 8:59:25 AM5/24/13
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On May 21, 8:26 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
>
2Co 11:10 As the truth of the Messiah is in me..
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me.
2Co 13:3 …the Messiah speaking in me
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with the Messiah: …the Messiah liveth in me
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of Elohim, even as the Messiah
Yashua.
Yes, they do receive you as the Messiah.
2Co 12:9 ..that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me.
2Co 13:3 …the Messiah speaking in me
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with the Messiah: …the Messiah liveth in me
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of Elohim, even as the Messiah
Yashua.
1Co 5:4 When ye are gathered together, and MY SPIRIT, with the power
of our Master Yeshua the Messiah,
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
It's your choice... believe as you will.
Rod
May 24, 2013, 9:02:31 AM5/24/13
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On 5/21/2013 12:34 PM, Pete wrote:
> No I am not.
If you find a way around it an do it anyway...it then means nothing
and is ignored.
God has said to separate ourselves from evil.
Separate yes, kill no.
Man cannot serve
> evil and God at the same time. No one sits on a fence with God. In James it
> says that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
>
> That corruption in the local church cannot be allowed to continue as it
> will corrupt the whole church, like leaven it infects all, and we are to
> make those kinds of decisions in the here and now.
>
> The end purpose of it is to save their eternal lives. To just let them be
> would be the cause of their spiritual death.
Premeditated or unplanned, it's all killing in the end.
I know you do, or
> you would not go hunting for food or you would not eat dead cow flesh. :)
Just how dead are we talking about here, hmmm...? Dead a week ? Dead
a month ? Dead a year ? Road kill ?
> The people are killing themselves already. They have given themselves over
> to the lust of their flesh. Can't you see their part of the responsibility?
> No one told the guy to go do his stepmom. They did this on their own, lead
> by their lusts and fleshly desires. They knew it was wrong before they even
> did it.
He was talking to men about killing one another, not about eating
animal flesh. You've changed the context to avoid the facts.
> that old english expression in today's language is you shall not murder.
I knew this already..
>
>>>
>>> What then do you think about Peter with Ananias, and Sapphira? Who
>>> literally dropped dead in Church? Acts 5:1-5 Is Peter now doomed too?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> God did it, not Peter.
>
> Then how do you justify your statement regarding Paul?
THOU SHALT NOT KILL was originally THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. Paul is
turning them over to be murdered, he knows that they will be killed
in the flesh. That is murder, pure and simple.
> You say you see the words and believe the words. Then did Paul turn them
> over to the destruction of the Spirit? That would send them to an
> everlasting hell. It was their flesh that was to be destroyed,
They were murdered. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Murder is no more than
a planned killing.
just as
> those that engage in group sex and high sexual activity get AIDS and other
> diseases that is the normal course of their behavior.
AIDS was a product of people who practiced sex with animals. It was
not a product of a god enraged at mens sexual pratices. AIDS has already
been traced to the source cause. it's the natural reaction of mixing
human antibodies and micro organisms with the micro organism's and
antibodies alive and operating in monkey flesh. The end product was
lethal.
You're leading this conversation down a strange path....
> That is what they
> were given over to, their lust that they were following anyhow, and that is
> of satan, not God.
So you are saying that man has so much evil inherent in himself that
he must invent an unseen character to place blame on. Well, I'm not a
believer in satan per se but I do recognize that evil entities do
exist. I think somehow that "satan" is nothing more than a scapegoat
on which men can place blame for their evil deeds and shirk the
responsibility for their actions.
>
>
>
If you find a way around it an do it anyway...it then means nothing
and is ignored.
God has said to separate ourselves from evil.
Separate yes, kill no.
Man cannot serve
> evil and God at the same time. No one sits on a fence with God. In James it
> says that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
>
> That corruption in the local church cannot be allowed to continue as it
> will corrupt the whole church, like leaven it infects all, and we are to
> make those kinds of decisions in the here and now.
>
> The end purpose of it is to save their eternal lives. To just let them be
> would be the cause of their spiritual death.
>
>> That the church is supposed to
>>> accept it because somehow it is not erroneous to do?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need you hear more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding judgment....
>>>>> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
>>>>> you not judge those who are inside?
>>>>> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
>>>>> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> *It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
>>>> they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
>>>> who does the killing.
>>>>
>>>> You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
>>>> hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is not true.
>>
>> I see what I see what I see.
>>
>
> Do you know the difference between killing and murder?
>> That the church is supposed to
>>> accept it because somehow it is not erroneous to do?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Need you hear more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah...I think we'd better..
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding judgment....
>>>>> 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do
>>>>> you not judge those who are inside?
>>>>> 1Co 5:13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "PUT AWAY FROM
>>>>> YOURSELVES THE EVIL PERSON."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> *It doesn't say to be an active part of their murder*! If you know
>>>> they will be killed YOU ARE a part of it and just as guilt as the person
>>>> who does the killing.
>>>>
>>>> You know I see many of you saying a lot about loving the sinner and
>>>> hating the sin...but I don't see you doing it...
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is not true.
>>
>> I see what I see what I see.
>>
>
Premeditated or unplanned, it's all killing in the end.
I know you do, or
> you would not go hunting for food or you would not eat dead cow flesh. :)
Just how dead are we talking about here, hmmm...? Dead a week ? Dead
a month ? Dead a year ? Road kill ?
> to the lust of their flesh. Can't you see their part of the responsibility?
> No one told the guy to go do his stepmom. They did this on their own, lead
> by their lusts and fleshly desires. They knew it was wrong before they even
> did it.
>
>>>
>>> Have you thought about and pondered the sin those two were in? That they
>>> were unwilling to repent? That they wanted to go to church with everyone
>>> else and put on a front when everyone knew what was going on? Throwing it
>>> in Gods face?
>>
>> THOU SHALT NOT KILL
>>
>
> Then never eat rotting flesh again. OK? :)
>>>
>>> Have you thought about and pondered the sin those two were in? That they
>>> were unwilling to repent? That they wanted to go to church with everyone
>>> else and put on a front when everyone knew what was going on? Throwing it
>>> in Gods face?
>>
>> THOU SHALT NOT KILL
>>
>
He was talking to men about killing one another, not about eating
animal flesh. You've changed the context to avoid the facts.
> that old english expression in today's language is you shall not murder.
I knew this already..
>
>>>
>>> What then do you think about Peter with Ananias, and Sapphira? Who
>>> literally dropped dead in Church? Acts 5:1-5 Is Peter now doomed too?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> God did it, not Peter.
>
THOU SHALT NOT KILL was originally THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. Paul is
turning them over to be murdered, he knows that they will be killed
in the flesh. That is murder, pure and simple.
> You say you see the words and believe the words. Then did Paul turn them
> over to the destruction of the Spirit? That would send them to an
> everlasting hell. It was their flesh that was to be destroyed,
They were murdered. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Murder is no more than
a planned killing.
just as
> those that engage in group sex and high sexual activity get AIDS and other
> diseases that is the normal course of their behavior.
AIDS was a product of people who practiced sex with animals. It was
not a product of a god enraged at mens sexual pratices. AIDS has already
been traced to the source cause. it's the natural reaction of mixing
human antibodies and micro organisms with the micro organism's and
antibodies alive and operating in monkey flesh. The end product was
lethal.
You're leading this conversation down a strange path....
> That is what they
> were given over to, their lust that they were following anyhow, and that is
> of satan, not God.
So you are saying that man has so much evil inherent in himself that
he must invent an unseen character to place blame on. Well, I'm not a
believer in satan per se but I do recognize that evil entities do
exist. I think somehow that "satan" is nothing more than a scapegoat
on which men can place blame for their evil deeds and shirk the
responsibility for their actions.
>
>
>
Rod
May 24, 2013, 9:03:51 AM5/24/13
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On 5/20/2013 5:26 PM, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:16:21 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pete wrote:
>> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
>> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
>
> Rod wrote:
>> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
>> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
>> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
>
> Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
That is a far cry from turning someone over to be murdered.
> Message-ID: <knd0m4$uke$1...@dont-email.me>
> Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pete wrote:
>> So you are saying those who are christian believers should be allowed to do
>> their step moms sexually and it is OK?
>
> Rod wrote:
>> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
>> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
>> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
>
> Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
Snow
May 24, 2013, 9:11:05 AM5/24/13
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On May 24, 11:03 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Rod wrote:
> >> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
> >> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
> >> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
> > Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
>
> That is a far cry from turning someone over to be murdered.
You have to appreciate knowing what these people consider "love".
> > Rod wrote:
> >> You're saying that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" means nothing. You confirm
> >> that it happened and then drive them away from you. Leave them for God
> >> to kill, He can do His own dirty work.
>
> > Rod, have you ever heard of "Tough Love" ?
>
> That is a far cry from turning someone over to be murdered.
Don't wonder why the country is in a mess and the media filled with
violence... it's "tough love" Christian style.
duke
May 24, 2013, 11:59:26 AM5/24/13
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:14:02 +0000 (UTC), iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
>Did the Apostle Paul ever say, he himself was the Messiah?
Never.
>Did the Apostle Paul ever say, he himself was the Messiah?
The dukester, American - American
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