Jesuscult down, worse cults starting up already.
jos boersema
is an immense lie and the cause of intense suffering, now that
it is down the following is occuring:
The new initiative of idolatry/cultist/weirdoist:
"Wiccans don't think of things as being good or evil - they just
are. Our experience of them makes them positive or negative for us."
In a story about new weird cults that pose a danger to children ?
In an apparently regular newspaper about a story that the lunar eclipse
is coinciding with the winter solstice (the moon goes into the shadow
of the Earth while the sun reaches its most southern position over
the Earth surface.)
These pretence-witches are a danger because they are busy with empty
behaviors that they call 'rituals,' but which seem to be nothing more
then proofs of obedience to the ruling class in that cult. The lower
ranks are destracted with all manner of destractions, and the upper
bosses have a certain sense of power because of it. Obviously they would
deny all that, however they are by their own admission a-moral. What
if it 'feels fun' for someone to torture another ? Then that is something
that 'just is' according to the above rule, and 'it is positive for the
one doing it, so he is acting upon that want, and that is just a thing
that occurs ...' (I am saying that, trying to compute what these weirdo
cults are about).
Now they'll still play nice, try to tap into what people like, so they
can get their existence accepted, and also as a way to reqruit new blood.
Perhaps they think they are very advanced and whatever. Meanwhile the
nation drowns in an ocean of corruption and lies, while they dance around
an old tree in the middle of the night and obaying their bosses. I guess
it gives the members a sense of belonging.
If they would solve the problems in the world, they could have a sense
of belonging in their families, their voter-groups, their companies, the
soil they have and could connect to each other to make interesting and
self-sufficient living spaces. If they want to dance around a tree at
night on their own property, or sleep outside or whatever they want to
as long as it doesn't include torture and such, that would be perfectly
OK I guess. Meanwhile being in voter groups and democratic companies
and/or busy with their land, they would have a real life. To make that
system stable, if they are blind followers of their 'priestess' that
priestess can then get into the councils. If it spirals out of control,
the political process can turn into a ratification process for the rule
of the cult bosses. That you see everywhere happening with the jesuscult,
the jesuscult destroys the political process by having a whole sector of
followers vote blind (though not every jesuscultist votes blind fortunately.)
By voting blindly for people who engage in some empty behaviors and profess
some empty promises of loyalty to something, they may then have extensive
freedoms given to them by their blind voters, to commit in extensive
frauds and even the destruction of the nation.
'Because that would be fun to them at that point, and therefore positive,
there is no right or wrong this is just something that is' I figure they
might 'explain' themselves.
I also think this was the problem with the jews, and therefore they where
given that temple and so on, as a way to wean them of their cult obsessions.
It may have been no different with the jesus cult either, a way to wean
the people off of their cult obsessions, a first step to make them rational
enough to engage in a voting process to look after their own interests
against the criminal and devious ruling classes.
In that cultural effort these 'witches' are a large step back, while the
direction should be forward, away from the subjugation to the jesus
priests and their fake rituals, and toward a system of Government that is
under the control of the people, so that they can make it work for them
rather then have to suffer under its debaucheries.
Do what you like, where you expect happyness from, the concequences will
come. All I'm trying to do is make the case that witchism isn't a way
for a lot of happynessr. That is the case no more no less. Better choose
wisely because the effects once entrenched can be long lasting.
--
_2.2.a-5 Trial not Punishment
The proceedings of the trial may not themselves become a form of
punishment, beyond a reasonable duty to work with the Judiciary as an
innocent person, in the common interest. Persons who have previously
been convicted and been to prison for a crime of greed, may be held
in less comfortable environment during trial. A valid trial only occurs
once with the same evidence.
jos boersema
> Jesuscult is down in most of the west. Although the jesuscult
> is an immense lie and the cause of intense suffering, now that
> it is down the following is occuring:
>
> The new initiative of idolatry/cultist/weirdoist:
> "Wiccans don't think of things as being good or evil - they just
> are. Our experience of them makes them positive or negative for us."
I forgot to say that this attitude is a pipedream for the ruling class
criminals. They may even be behind it, wouldn't surprise me. With the
money they have they can do whatever they want. They almost certainly
would want to 'attack' the religious front also.
--
_2.2.b Fair punishment
People being punished to have their freedom of movement removed, have
the right to ask for segregation from other such convicted people for
the duration of the punishment.
jos boersema
> On 2010-12-19, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Jesuscult is down in most of the west. Although the jesuscult
>> is an immense lie and the cause of intense suffering, now that
>> it is down the following is occuring:
>>
>> The new initiative of idolatry/cultist/weirdoist:
>> "Wiccans don't think of things as being good or evil - they just
>> are. Our experience of them makes them positive or negative for us."
>
> I forgot to say that this attitude is a pipedream for the ruling class
> criminals. They may even be behind it, wouldn't surprise me. With the
> money they have they can do whatever they want. They almost certainly
> would want to 'attack' the religious front also.
As an academic question it may be amuzing to speculate on how the
jesuscult could be reformed to remove much or all of the lies, without
making it defunct for its minions.
- First of all the conflict with the Torah should be resolved, and that
obviously means Jesus is not related to the Torah anymore. Jesus is
neither a god, nor a prophet, and neither the one mentioned by
Jesjaja 53 and Jeremiah 31:31. The NT will probably have to be
corrected.
In a textual sense this is virtually impossible, and therefore the
jesuscult has probably only one way to go in reality and that is into
the garbage bin of history. But a good first start is to disunite the
'new testament' from the Torah. It becomes a book that has to stand
purely on its own, and can not suck out credibility from other books as
it has done ever since (namely the Tanach).
However it is less of a problem then one might think, because the jesus
cult is paganism, and as such not really glued to any text or any
doctrine. It is a fantasy thinking where you investigate certain
behaviors that you ascribe to various characters in a fantasy reality
simulation. This paganism allows for a rewrite of the jesusstory.
Jesus could be demoted from god / prophet to pagan and human hero.
I say pagan hero because as a jew he had a lot more to live up to then
he did for even being considdered eligible to be a jew, for example
not saying that he was personally to be the receiver of the worship and
adulation of the masses.
Or: Jesus is re-caste as a fairy tale with a morality, where 'belief
in jesus' means 'we belief those behaviors exhibited by jesus in the
story are the desireable behaviors.'
The beautiful music can stay.
The catholic church with its priest hierarchy is weird, but this is
what paganism has grown into historically. It is not different from
the various Hindu cults or other religions that end up being criminal
rackets for a lot of people. Leaving the catholics doing what they do
if they want to in their own nations that probably will suffer and
therefore become a negative example, a warning to other nations. This
way, in typical pagan fashion, there can be all kinds of pagan cults
around jesus, which is what we have already.
The churches, which are like Egyptian temples, the large churches
which are like Egyptian pyramids, in their function - to impress and
deceive - are still places that are dry and can potentially be heated.
In nations where people want to continue to be pagans I suppose by
tearing them down all that would be accomplished is that in a few
centuries some other cults build new tempels and pyramids. At least
the jesus pagan cult has associated itself with charity and care for
the sick, and although that was not always done or done to the degree
possible, it is certainly much better then making human sacrifices.
These pyramids/temples work by making people feel there is something
larger, more powerful then them to which they are enticed to subjugate
their will. In the case of criminals that may not be bad, but in case
of good people who suffer under a criminal hierarchy in control over
these pyramids & temples, it would be.
Perhaps in that sense the jesuscult has served its purpose, those
that chose from crime to justice had a half-way point of some sort in
the jesuscult (I doubt how accurate that is generally speaking, but it
may be true in theory and individual cases as well).
The jesuscult is negatively associated with:
- the inquisition
- the roman empire
- being forced on everyone as a state religion
- tyranny
- deception
- child abuse
- hatred against jewry
- holocaust on the native north american indians
- sanctification of the nobility (who crossed just about every law in
the Torah you could think off)
- building pyramids all over
- monopolizing social life
Personally that latest I find one of the worst things it has done:
it makes normal life imposseble, there is no sensible discussion about
politics possible with people because all they are busy with is the
festifities and nonsense of 'The Cult,' they are in. Since the jesuscult
is a lie, obviously that makes life for people who see through it harder.
It being a lie it will have to eventually cause fissures in a people,
strife, anger even civil war, which can all be nicely used by the ruling
class to secure their power (divide & conquer).
Hence all in all what may survive as a kernel of truth is the jesuscult
as a fantasy, or a historical heroism story, about behaviors that may
be desireable. Endless such stories exist.
That part is not a lie, for example the idea to heal the sick is a good
idea, and will generally not be opposed. If that was all that it is:
"we are in favor of healing the sick," then that would be a good thing.
If however it is "you will bowe down for this false idol god image of
ours, or we will behead you right now, and you will keep your mouth
shut for all your life if you are against this false prophet ... and
you will heal the sick because you worship our image of jesus" then
that is 1 for the cost of 2, one of which roughly is a lie and an evil
deed of opression. (etc)
A danger with this is that most likely there will be no good people
who will do this, many good people are already be engaded in 'real
christianity' if you prefer (which I don't prefer as a name) which is
the coming world revolution agreeing to these proposals on www.law4.org
So who will engage in this restructuring of the jesuscult: a big chance
it will be people hoping to set up a new cult system, not good people
doing it for an honorable purpose.
Conclusion: it seems unlikely that the indoctrinated and controlled
not all too bright pagans will decide to see the truth. Hence the best
way forward still seems to be: redemption in Israel, the jesuscult
will become historically ever more absurd given what has happened,
which is still to happen ...
--
_2.2.b-1 Fair punishment, reading
People convicted are never denied the right to read commonly available
materials.
jos boersema
- The 2nd law system designed for Israel.
- The 2nd French Revolution.
- The 2nd American Revolution.
- The 2nd ... Revolution, from capitalist-parliament to free-market-democracy.
- The 2nd change of the jesus-followers.
- A possible 2nd change after Deganawidah for the Confederacy and indians.
It could even be the 2nd great world destruction after the flood,
being a 2nd kind of Noah business. A second boat (though the boat
offered is not made from wood but from laws, and the destruction is
likely to be from war and fire rather then water.)
I thought hmm, 2nd ? Another way to look at it is the 2nd half of the
first one. First one went half, and now it is closing the remainder.
--
_2.3.a Right to be cared for
A child which does no longer wish to live with its parents, is cared
for by the Government.
A child which wants to live with its parents, is released to the parents.
A child has the right to know who its parents are and where they are.
The government can not keep parents away from a child if that child does
not want its parents to be kept away.
The child in Government care does not pay, at any time, for the care
it receives, but has the right to hold Government responsible to
the same extend parents are responsible for their children, at any time.
jos boersema
> - The 2nd law system designed for Israel.
> - The 2nd French Revolution.
> - The 2nd American Revolution.
> - The 2nd ... Revolution, from capitalist-parliament to free-market-democracy.
> - The 2nd change of the jesus-followers.
> - A possible 2nd change after Deganawidah for the Confederacy and indians.
- 2nd wave of things for the socialist/communist movement.
- 2nd wave of things for the liberal and Constitution 'movements'.
- Perhaps in a minor sense a 2nd wave for science, to rip out many
of very big corruptions that have taken up 'shop' in the larger
scientific world (such as economics, Darwinism, physics, and social-
political sciences).
--
_3.1.a Government Intention
The Government decisions are the accurate representation of the
present will of the People. The task of the elected Government is to
find out and carry out the will of the People. The elected delegates
together attempt to steer the Government Majority into accordance
with the will of the People, and avoid going against the present
will of the People.
jos boersema
> On 2010-12-19, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> The coming revolution seems it would be:
>> - The 2nd law system designed for Israel.
>> - The 2nd French Revolution.
>> - The 2nd American Revolution.
>> - The 2nd ... Revolution, from capitalist-parliament to
>> free-market-democracy.
>> - The 2nd change of the jesus-followers.
>> - A possible 2nd change after Deganawidah for the Confederacy and indians.
>
> - 2nd wave of things for the socialist/communist movement.
> - 2nd wave of things for the liberal and Constitution 'movements'.
> - Perhaps in a minor sense a 2nd wave for science, to rip out many
> of very big corruptions that have taken up 'shop' in the larger
> scientific world (such as economics, Darwinism, physics, and social-
> political sciences).
- A second wave for the Monarchists too !
That is quite amuzing, since I'm against the monarchy. But most
monarchists are monarchist for the sake of order, because without
one person deciding it would potentially be total chaos. It is not
that they worship the king or queen, but they play that for the sake
of order. Note how often corrupt and incompetent kings have held on
to power. It wasn't about their personal grandiosity.
The new system DAVID239 has its own king-system. This king system
is there for stability, and the king will generally rule for long
long times, I would guess roughly from the time it is "elected,"
to until the king dies or decides he/she is too old. Normally when
the nation is not in disorder (one would hope that's most of the
time), the King or Queen does not rule the nation. That is not a
problem for a monarchist, because order is the goal. When there is
disorder, the King/Queen gets the power over the Government for one
year to restore order, that's what the monarchists want (quite
rightly so). In this system there is then 1 month of the council
system again, and after that new "elections" for king/queen, which may
very well yield the same king/queen again. Note how this threatening
re-"election" motivates the king/queen to do a good job on restoring
order, so it can win the next "elections."
Note: the word elections is between citations because it is not
a regular election. A committee of 10 persons is elected nationwide,
then who does not make it in that committee has the chance to give
their received votes to someone who did make it there. Then the
one who has most votes has the amount of votes that number two got
subtracted from his received votes, and that winner can then give
those votes to anyone in the nation he/she likes. The 10 people with
most votes after that are the 'Electoral Committee,' which has only
one job: set general election dates (takes that power away from
those to be re-elected, who may have too much interest in keeping the
current mandate going on despite popular dissent). The oldest person
in that committee is the head of state, King or Queen - elect. This
committee is only re-elected after it lost half its members, for example
from natural causes (death basically). The King or Queen does not head
this EC body. Members in the EC are prohibited from having Government
jobs, and they will get a small renumeration for their trouble (about
one month average wages if I recall). The King or Queen gets a lot of
money, which is for various purposes, among which to support its role
as the 'Sovereign Inspector.'
The role of Sovereign Inspector is to 'guard the guards,' that is to
fight crime by exposing it in Government. The King or Queen will first
have to study the Constitution law by law, one law for one day, until
it gets this right and duty. It does not have to try to get this title,
it is at the King or Queens pleasure, and is also conducted at the Kings
or Queens pleasure. This makes it unpredictable for criminals, and it
can be carried out by emmissaries designated by the Sovereign Inspector
If a King / Queen retires from the EC then there is a new oldest in the
EC, who then becomes King / Queen, etc.
The people can use a Referendum with a 2/3rd majority for a choice to
force selected changes in the EC. If such a Referendum fails to reach
that power, but still overshadows the original election power, then the
EC is re-elected in whole (that prevents minority meddling with the EC,
so that it is either there as before, or it falls all if it is not
defended in referendums, or the interest in changing it is great.)
Note that in this system a Referendum result loses power in time, so
the election result erodes in time until nothing eventually.
There are a lot of details to the king-system. It is probably the most
complicated system in the proposed Constitution. One reason for this is
to make its outcome unpredictable, to reduce the chances of demagoguery.
If something is predictable certain forces may attempt to manipulate it
into a certain result. The system most easily manipulated is the direct
election of a King or Queen, the manipulation being in the portrail of
characters.
The decision of the EC to have new elections can not be repealed even
by the EC itself, it is a sovereign decision. This conflicts with the
rule 3.1.b-5 which says the people can repeal all decisions of
Government. Maybe the conflict is minor because the EC is not generally
thought of as 'Government,' (it certainly does not govern anything.)
Perhaps I should have put a sentence pointing to the EC exception there.
Sorry about that, and I hope I didn't make any serious mistakes.
I'm merely human, hence mistakes may well have been made. I hope that
if I did make some mistakes, that people not throw everything in the
bin only for that, while the general systems may be OK and the mistake
could be fixed. The credibility of the system shouldn't rely on it
being manufactured with a low mistakes rate, but on the logic that is
behind the proposals, of which the written Constitution is only an
attempted derivation (while the various systems in the Constitution are
a derivation of the 4 point D.A.V.I.D. program).
It does look like a 2nd wave for monarchists because having someone
sit on the throne for so long, decades, and have this stabilizing job,
is what a monarchy is about as well. While in a usual monarchy the
throne goes to the oldest son (or daughter on occoision), in this system
being the son or daughter of the sitting king or queen is a position of
public knowledge about you which is much greater then perhap any other
child has by way of what their parents are doing or what their social
surroundings are. Hence, if the sitting king or queen its child has an
interest in becoming part of the EC and perhaps one day be queen or king,
or other members of the 'royal family,' then the chances that they succeed
are much greater then for the average person. It is however not an
automatic process. Which leads to ...
- A 2nd kind of system for the Republicans.
The head of state is still elected, and the rule of the nation is not
in the hands of one person but in the hands of the people. Everyone
has a chance to be head of state.
Although it is not in the Constitution, one could and perhaps should
have rounds of local and provincial elections and campaigning, in order
to give everyone some chance of winning an EC position. Another method
is to use petitions, so that the 40 persons or so who have gotten the
most signatures get some public attention by some means or another in
a province. Then this could become a regional or national round, and then
the real elections nationally. Such a stepped system would allow access
for people without any power network, or without some sort of financial
investors in their campaign, to also actually get into the EC and win.
Meanwhile there may be many people who are well known in the nation for
various reasons, who because of that have a much higher chance of being
elected into the EC.
Come to think of that, it line up with the way the EC and King / Queen
is controlled: by public interest. The public can get to know one person,
who then become the weapon against Government corruption. Being that
weapon, the king or queen is not part of the Government. This is
different from the presidential system, where the head of state
is both to be an agent of the people and in charge of the Government.
Hence while well known figures may try to be in the EC and order the
occaisional elections, they are already known publicly. Secondly by
being known they presumably have some sort of public contact, which
the people can then use to pressure the EC in ordering new general
elections.
Note: general elections are not even needed in this system to get a
new Government, since you can elect new delegates any day you like
with your voter-group and/or delegates-group. However there are also
general elections to shake up the whole system and force in fresh
blood and ideas all of a sudden, so that the force of the new people
can break through certain rot that may have occured.
--
_3.1.a-1 Declare opinion
The elected delegates express their personal opinions of the moment
regarding issues the Government is concerning itself with, or the area
they concern themselves with in particular.