I AM still the light
guardian Snow
through argument, debate and doubt, to offer a solution everybody can
understand. If you are going to achieve excellence in big things, you
develop the habit in little matters. Excellence is not an exception,
it is a prevailing attitude. Leadership is solving problems. The day
soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped
leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or
concluded you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.”
Colin Powell
Religion cannot be simply a dogma that we go practice on a day of the
week so that we can condemn all the losers [supposedly all those who
don’t subscribe to a belief] to hell that don’t believe as we do. We
must be willing to find patterns that have stopped us from being the
person we should be, not excuses to continue bad behavior. “Human
need psychology” includes finding the tools we need to help other
people.
“Where focus goes, energy flows.” The Messiah said this same mantra
like this:
Mat 6:21 “For where your treasure is, there your heart shall be also.
Mat 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is
good, all your body shall be enlightened.
The eye being the part of our body that speaks of focus. A man does
not go into the light by being focused on the darkness of the abyss.
You will not quit smoking by fixating on cigarettes or any other
behavior you do not want to continue! We continually do the things we
do not desire to do because we fixate on the negative (quitting)
instead of the positive behavior that we desire. We empower the things
we focus on and by removing focus from these objects, we move forward
towards our goal. We must be focused on our goal, which being healthy
as the goal for cigarette smokers (for example) being the correct
focus, not quitting. If we train our minds to quit smoking, our
brains react by telling the body to continually quit.
In the example of the smoker, they should consider that they do not
smoke at night, not because they are non smokers at night but because
they do not think about smoking while they sleep. They remove the
power of focus from smoking to sleep. If they continued this practice
during the day of not empowering the things that they don’t desire by
thinking about “quit smoking” and focus on the things they do desire,
it would be automatic. Clean up the area, remove the temptation and
then stop focusing on the problem and think about anything else.
Mat 6:23 “But if your eye is evil, all your body shall be darkened.
If, then, the light that is within you is darkness, how great is that
darkness!
You will not find the savior in a horror picture and the spirit is not
given out in measure..
Joh 3:34 “For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the Words of Elohim, for
Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure.
…and so you must reject that which does not edify the manifestation of
the spirit of light and truth.
Mat 6:24 “No one is able to serve two masters, for either he shall
hate the one and love the other, or else he shall cleave to the one
and despise the other. You are not able to serve Elohim and mammon.
You must FOCUS on that which you desire to manifest and be singular in
this goal.
Mat 5:14 “YOU are the light of the world. It is impossible for a city
to be hidden on a mountain.
“I am the light”. Light is used as an analogy to explain the effects
of spirit. Smile and the world smiles with you is another axiom to
illustrate spirit. Spirit spreads and is infectious on all those
around you and so maintaining positive spirit must be our focus in the
now. The next recognition is, that YOU are the light and effect all
those around you by that light [positive spirit] within you. If you
are the light then no darkness [evil] can dwell inside of you but do
not delude yourself, light does not reside in the darkness.
Mat 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, so that they see your
good works and praise your Father who is in the heavens.
Your good works do not including sitting around watching horror movies
and playing violent video games or singing evil lyrics that pollute
your being. If you focus on death and evil, you become darkness and
if you focus on goodness, you will become that goodness, it’s that
simple. Change the way you look at things and the things you look at
change.
The failure of most is the first recognition that all has been given
into YOUR hands.
Psa 82:6 I, I said, “You are elohim, And ALL of you are sons of the
Most High.
Psa 82:7 “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.”
You are the sovereign of your destiny for whom else but a sovereign
has authority to choose life and death?
Deu 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today
against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and
the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you
and your seed,
If then, you have been delivered the choice; you have either passively
acted [subconsciously] on a choice of death in not choosing life or
not believed or worse still, lied to yourself.
Tony Robbins says, “If you do what you've always done, you'll get what
you've always gotten. A real decision is measured by the fact that
you've taken a new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly
decided. It is in your moments of decision that your destiny is
shaped.” And he is right.
Aldous Huxley says, “We protect our minds by an elaborate system of
abstractions, ambiguities, metaphors and similes from the reality we
do not wish to know too clearly; we lie to ourselves, in order that we
may still have the excuse of ignorance, the alibi of stupidity and
incomprehension, possessing which we can continue with a good
conscience to commit and tolerate the most monstrous crimes:
The poor wretch who has learned his only prayers From curses, who
knows scarcely words enough To ask a blessing from his Heavenly
Father, Becomes a fluent phraseman, absolute And technical in
victories and defeats, And all our dainty terms for fratricide; Terms
which we trundle smoothly o’er our tongues Like mere abstractions,
empty sounds to which We join no meaning and attach no form! As if the
soldier died without a wound: As if the fibers of this godlike frame
Were gored without a pang: as if the wretch Who fell in battle, doing
bloody deeds, Passed off to Heaven translated and not killed; As
though he had no wife to pine for him, No God to judge him.”
Stop telling lies to yourself and focus on the truth and this truth
will set you free.
Joh 8:32 and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.”
The lies we tell ourselves only work to keep up mired in self
delusion.
In conclusion, if these thoughts help you in any way, I’d like to ask
that you join our public forum at:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
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download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
Tony Robbins
Nicodemus
Subject: Re: The Universe... God made or not? -
> To put this in simple terms; he believes in myths because he does not
> understand the facts of life and death.
>
This division is becoming more clear to me, "do you have an awareness of
your spiritual place"?
It is this difference that is dividing us all.
I have my spiritual awareness, I know that my place is on my knees,
before the Majesty of God.
Those that argue with me, have not seen the glory of God, they are
missing that large picture, that link with their mind and soul, they are
our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers, they are connected to
us in more ways than we can understand.
This little blue planet in the world of God, is coming to birth and we
will discard our differences, for when the spirit lightens all of our
minds, we will stand by the Christ, we will stand by God, we will reach
and touch every living soul in this eternal night, and we will shout that
message until the night falls, and darkness and death become minor
players in this rich garment of the flesh and soul of God.
gw
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Subject: Re: The Universe... God made or not? -
From: wcb <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com>
Newsgroups: alt.ufo.reports,alt.atheism
Reply-To: wbar...@mylinuxisp.comx
Global Warming wrote:
> "wmech" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:v4e3e.14387$vL3.5037
> @bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
>> To put this in simple terms; he believes in myths because he does not
>> understand the facts of life and death.
>>
>
> This division is becoming more clear to me, "do you have an awareness
of
> your spiritual place"?
>
> It is this difference that is dividing us all.
>
> I have my spiritual awareness, I know that my place is on my knees,
> before the Majesty of God.
>
There is no god.
Get over it.
**************************************************
God disproven #1 Short Version
W.C. Barwell 3-9-05
**************************************************
By god here, I mean the Grand God of Grand Theology,
the god that is perfect, omnipotent, omniscient,
omnibenevolent. The god that is defined as the most
powerful thing that can be imagined, the creator of
all. This god is defined as being intelligent, having
conciousness, and will. I mean this in the general
overall sense that the word god means dogmatically to
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
1. Can god do the impossible, create a square circle or
a 4 sided triangle?
2. That really asks the question, does god create the
rules, the laws, the logic of the Universe at large?
And thus can change them at a whim, or for a reason?
3. Since god is supposedly omnipotent, let us try
answering yes.
4. If yes, god could easily create a world where man has
free will yet freely chooses only to do moral good.
5. But in this world we see that man often does moral
evil.
6. If god could create such a word since he creates the
Universe's rules, and does not do so, god is effectively
the creator of all evil, past, present and future.
Evil exists only because god allows it to when he could
easily end all evil by creating a Universe where indeed
man has free will and yet freely chooses only to do
moral good.
7. Thus god is the author and sustaining cause of all
evil and is himself evil, that is omni-malevolent,
rather than as claimed, omni-benevolent.
8. Since dogmatically, god is supposedly omni-benevolent
rather than omni-malevolent, this is obviously not
acceptable. Allowing god to make the rules makes
him overtly evil.
9. God therefore does not make the rules, the laws or
the logic of the Universe.
10. God is said to be the most powerful thing that can
be imagined, the greatest thing that can exist.
But if god does not make the laws and rules and logic
of the Universe, and cannot change them at whim,
then the Universe with its rules and laws and logic
are more powerful than god, and this dogmatic claim
is obviously not true.
11. This claim is used as a basis of ontological claims
such as Anselm's ontological proof and these type of
ontological proofs are all thus falsified.
12. God is supposedly omnipotent. But if he is limited
by the Universe with its rules and laws and logic,
obviously he is not omnipotent at all. This dogmatic
claim cannot be saved unless you accept a god that
is omni-malevolent as a basic dogma.
13. God is dogmatically claimed to have been the creator
of the Universe, of all that is. But if god does not
make the laws and rules and logic of the Universe,
they must be beyond him, outside him, and must either
preceed him or parallel god's existance, he cannot
have created it thusly, so the dogma that god created
all is false also.
14. One dodge here might be to claim god created the
Universe in the manner that limits him, but god,
being omniscient, superintelligent and omnibenevolent
would have known that by creating such a Universe, he
was creating a Universe tht contained evil only because
he chose to create a limited Universe, so we are back
to claiming god is omni-malevolent. Thus such a dodge
fails.
15. The idea of a perfect omni-everything god preceeds
Christianity, Epicurus noted the pronblem of evil
in 250 BCE. If the gods are omnibenevolent and omnipotent,
yet evil exists. The gods either cannot or will not end
evil thus must be either not omnibenevolent or
omnipotent or possible neither.
16. Yet over 2,500 years, the theological methodolgy
used to erect the hypothetical Grand God of Grand
Theology which is now dogmatic in all major religous
traditions has failed to see this god as shown above,
cannot exist as claimed.
17. Thus not only is god as so defined an impossible
and failed hypothesis, the theology methodology
used to create such a hypothetical god is a failed
methodology and its basic method, making overarching
assertions without evidence is a failed methodology.
18. What are the laws and the rules and the logic of
the Universe? And what can we say about them?
19. As far as can be noted, we do have good, basic
understandings of the laws of the Universe. Things
are made up of matter and energy, operating in a
framework of time, and dimensions, with rules known
by science, phsycs, chemistry, astronomy and other
sciences.
20. There is no room in these laws and rules of
the Universe for disembodied gods or entities
that have will and who act. Thinking beings
are made of matter and energy and subject to rules
of chemistry and physics.
21. If theology wishes to claim otherwise, theology
bears the burden of demonstrating with hard evidence
that a god or other supernatural entity can exist.
And very much has a burden to prove that the Grand
God of theological tradition has actual and real
existance.
23. The failed theological methodology of making
unsupported assertions and deriving subclaims
is not an acceptable method for doing theology,
since as demonstrated above, that has proven to
be a total failure as a methodology.
(END)
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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Subject: Re: The Universe... God made or not? -
From: kenny_t...@yahoo.com (Kenny Leong)
Newsgroups:
alt.ufo.reports,alt.atheism,alt.christnet.public,alt.religion.christian,a
lt.bible
"someone" <glenn....@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:
<1111766741.4...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
*snip*
> Guessing you want something a little more scientific though.
>
> OK, how about we consider whether the universe we live in is governed
> by deterministic laws.
>
> I'm paraphrasing a definition of determinism from Jean Bricmont here:
>
> For the physical system of the universe to be deterministic, there
> would have to be a function which could map the initial state at say
> t(start) to the state at t(now) and to the state at t(hundred years
> time). If we ran the universe program again, and it was able to map the
> same initial state at t(start) to a different state at t(now) it would
> be indeterministic.
*snip*
Let's not waste time. Let's just 'assume' the basic christian belief
is 'alright' (even though we know that it's wrong already)....but
let's just first assume it's ok. The basic christian belief is that
god is all-knowing, and god is ALSO a perfect planner and perfect
designer. This immediately means that the 'mechanical' actions of
every single one of god's products is known in advance of the
product's 'physical' creation. In addition.....EVERY 'mechanical'
actions of god's products was chosen in advance of the product's
physical creation. If these two conditions were not true, then god
would not be all-knowing, and god would not be a perfect
planner/designer. So it's got to be 'true' (from our initial
assumption that the theist's fundamental belief is alright).
Now....since every single mechanical action of god's product (ie the
universe, which includes people, devil, etc etc) was already known and
chosen in advance....BEFORE the product's creation....then the product
can do nothing wrong. Actually, the words 'right' and 'wrong' become
meaningless, because the product created by an all-knowing, perfect
planning and perfect designing entity just does exactly what the
creator chose (in terms on mechanical actions). Such a product would
never upset the creator, or make the creator sad or angry. Such a
product has no need to be judged, because it just carries out every
mechanical movement that was perfectly planned in advance...by the
creator.
But yet...the christians say that god get's upset, angry, etc....and
needs to punish and judge its product. Immediately, you can see
there's a fatal flaw in the christian beliefs....because the most
fundamental belief (that god is all-knowing and perfect
planning/designing) is in complete contradiction with the REST of the
beliefs (starting from chapter 1 of the old testament bible).
Basically, all the stories in the bible clashes fatally with the
fundamental attributes associated with 'god'. With such a fatal flaw,
I don't see how the bible can be regarded as credible...starting from
the bits where Adam and Eve and the devil did the 'wrong' things.
Adam, Eve and the devil are all supposed to be god's products...and
thus if christians believe that god is all-knowing, and perfect
planning...then they should immediately realise that god chose ALL of
their mechanical actions in advance. And the reason why god 'knew all'
of their future actions is because 'god' chose all of those actions in
advance. And if the christians reckon that the products have
free-will...then they are simply ignoring the fatal flaw.....which is
...if god is all-knowing, and perfect planning, then every single
future mechanical action of god's products are known and chosen in
advance of the product's creation...since afterall...the product
wasn't even around to make all those decisions....because it wasn't
even made yet. And the reason why I'm deliberately circling around (in
a loop) to reinforce these simple points is so that (hopefully) the
christians can see the obvious fatal flaw in their beliefs.
And since all of the product's actions are known and 'chosen' by 'god'
in advance, then the product is faultless, and the product cannot have
free-will. The product cannot make god upset or sad or angry. And
judgement of the product is completely pointless and
unnecessary....and judgement day becomes irrelevant. And so there you
go .... fatal flaw in the bible, and it's so easy to understand.
----------------
To All,
Especially to Carl W,
For bringing this question up,
and for Keeping the Faith,
Brother Carl, where you may be,
Hope that you are strong,
I see your words,
As days pass,
Into months and years,
This child, that son of man,
Is a most difficlt birth,
Oh, the poor Mother,
I find it most difficult to answer some replies,
Though the science is good,
The questions sound,
There is a premise
That rests on soft ground,
Like you, and my furry friends,
We are seeking that warm place,
That Valhalla, that warm hearth,
From the womb to the grave,
The seasons remind us,
That we are expected,
To prepare for the changing times,
The cold wind from the winter night,
Knocks on every window,
So that we might not forget,
Our place in this winter Night,
Like the flowers in the warm summer sky,
They can look back and know,
How Spring rains nurtured the Summer,
There is no God,
God cannot be found,
Our best telescopes,
Have not been able to sight God,
From here to there,
The deepest space,
The edges of our universe,
Reveal a troubled world,
God, exists,
Not under your microscope,
God is your microscpe,
How do you tell a blind person,
About colors, shadows, and the richness of a new morn,
God is a Spirit, Much like Light,
When your mind lights up,
When you can see, your place,
In this world, remember,
The Light that Illuminates your footsteps,
God, is so far away,
From Logic and the needy,
Yet, that moment of Light,
Is like the Holy Spirit,
That stage of awareness,
That brings us closer,
To God and that warm hearth,
Our actions are mirrored,
In the reflecting Light,
That bounces from the surface,
Of the Gold and Silver raiment,
Of the flesh and body of God.
God, is a topic of the Sublime,
And not to be dicussed,
While you are chewing on your burger.
gw
When you catch that Light,
All these questions become so irrelevant,
There is so much more to this world,
All the science, cannot hope to see,
Its like a flash burn,
Your whole mind is filled,
With Light and Understanding,
You will know what questions to ask,
So the Holy Spirit,
Will comfort you.
gw
guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in news:e769c6bf-d7dc-495c-
bec7-cd8...@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
> �Great leaders are almost always great simplifiers, who can cut
guardian Snow
might affect each of us. Every person is responsible for all the good
within the scope of his abilities, and for no more, and none can tell
whose sphere is the largest. In dealing with suicidal people it is
better to do something imperfectly than to do nothing perfectly.
Unfortunately, I have met several people that were suicidal and I
haven’t always been successful in spotting and correcting the behavior
patterns but I have learned as Robert H. Schuller said, “Always look
at what you have left. Never look at what you have lost.” This view
of saving human life can assist us when we are confronted by those
seeking to do harm to themselves and their families.
A friend of mine Paul, came to me in drunken tears after breaking up
with his girlfriend and told me that he wanted to go drive off a
cliff. I said, “Whose going to raise your son when your swimming with
the fishes?”, A simple reminder that he loved his son changed his
mood.
Mat 5:29 “And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out
and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your
members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna.
Many people take this passage literally instead of a figurative
passage that speaks to gaining leverage over the focus of your being
because they simply do not understand. Something no sane or rational
person would do is pluck out their own eye and it’s one of the
teachings of the Messiah that is frequently bypassed because it is not
understood.
Love is the ability and willingness to allow those that you care for
to be what they choose for themselves without any insistence that they
satisfy you. To save another person’s life is as simple as being
observant and looking for the cries for help, listening for the signs.
The word leverage is defined, “In negotiation, leverage is a measure
of which side, at any given moment, has a greater ability to influence
the other side.” In finance, the same term is defined, “Strategic
advantage; power to act effectively”
Another way of speaking about leverage is to have an advantage over
another person by use of information, much like blackmail is used as
leverage.
In making major behavior changes with people who are disturbed, one
must interrupt the pattern of the person, gain that “strategic
advantage” and then replace the old thought with a new pattern, one
that gives them reason to continue which effectively changes the
blueprint an individual has laid out for themselves.
For some reason, people get it into their minds that they must do
things a certain way do to social conditioning. The idea of suicide
prevention is to make the consequences of the bad behavior too
unbearable for the person contemplating death and that is where
leverage comes in. Leverage can come in almost any form depending on
the belief system of the individual and it is different for people
based on their belief system. While punishment of a deity might work
for religious people, clearly this will not trigger a good response
from atheist. The love of family members might work but if a person
feels isolated, this may not help.
Ask questions and keep them talking and one good question to ask them
is, “What was the happiest moment of your life?” You can learn a lot
about people by asking them questions and sooner or later you find a
lever that you can pull to convince them that death is not an option
because it never is and the results are that they can go on to help
other people. Remember the life you save may not be just that
persons, they may save your life some day.
If any of you have any good experiences you’d like to share on the
topic, I would appreciate it.
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path
and leave a trail. Though we travel the world over to find the
beautiful, we must carry it with us or we find it not.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- please join
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Snow
might affect each of us. Every person is responsible for all the good
within the scope of his abilities, and for no more, and none can tell
whose sphere is the largest. In dealing with suicidal people it is
better to do something imperfectly than to do nothing perfectly.
Unfortunately, I have met several people that were suicidal and I
haven’t always been successful in spotting and correcting the behavior
patterns but I have learned as Robert H. Schuller said, “Always look
at what you have left. Never look at what you have lost.” This view
of saving human life can assist us when we are confronted by those
seeking to do harm to themselves and their families.
A friend of mine Paul, came to me in drunken tears after breaking up
with his girlfriend and told me that he wanted to go drive off a
cliff. I said, “Who’s going to raise your son when you’re swimming
with the fishes?” A simple reminder that he loved his son changed his
mood.
Mat 5:29 “And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out
and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your
members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna.
Many people take this passage literally instead of a figurative
passage that speaks to gaining leverage over the focus of your being
because they simply do not understand. Something no sane or rational
person would do is pluck out their own eye and it’s one of the
teachings of the Messiah that is frequently bypassed because it is not
understood.
Love is the ability and willingness to allow those that you care for
to be what they choose for themselves without any insistence that they
satisfy you. To save another person’s life is as simple as being
observant and looking for the cries for help, listening for the signs.
The word leverage is defined, “In negotiation, leverage is a measure
of which side, at any given moment, has a greater ability to influence
the other side.” And also defined as, “Strategic advantage; power to
Snow
Pro 11:13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful
spirit concealeth the matter.
A great sin most people don’t talk about was tale bearing and most
people don’t recognize how this destroys communities, congregations,
families and friends. Satan’s Sin, a lot of people don’t really think
about the fact that sin didn’t enter the world by Adam and Eve in
scriptures.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which YHWH Elohim had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath
Elohim said, “Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”
It begins with Satan asking a question he already knows the answer to
and how many times do we see this happen when people converse with
other people? They aren’t asking the question because they want to
know the answer to your question, like the Pharisee’s in the Messiah’s
time, they ask because they are trying to lay a trap and they believe
they have the answer already.
Mat 22:15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to trap Him in His
words.
The same tactic is demonstrated again in New Testament scriptures as
we see the Pharisees asking a question to lay a trap so that they
might try the Messiah.
Mat 22:17 “Then say to us, what do You think? Is it right to pay taxes
to Caesar, or not?”
Mat 22:18 But knowing their wickedness, Yehoshua said, “Why do you try
Me, you hypocrites?
Now the Messiah already understood how Satan operated, he’d
experienced it himself personally. A pattern erupts in the course of
those who gossip and tale bear.
Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the
garden, Elohim has said, ‘Do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you
die.’ ”
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said to the woman, “You shall certainly not
die.
The Satan denies Yahweh but then… watch this…
Gen 3:5 “For Elohim knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes
shall be opened, and you shall be like Elohim, knowing good and evil.”
He makes her an irresistible offer… to be like Elohim with knowledge…
he enticed him with what he didn’t know. Man intrinsically loves a
good mystery. We want all the answers, good and evil, we are all just
a guilty as Adam and Eve. Just as Adam and Eve were fooled into the
tale bearing of Satan, Christians have been deceived by brother Paul
promising salvation by faith alone!
Gen 3:1 And the serpent was more crafty
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you. But being crafty, did I
catch you with guile?
People do not recognize the very teachings of Lucifer in the false
apostle. That Paul preached for and against everything he spoke of
has left the modern church splintered, fractured and in endless
arguments over every issue of scriptures.
“Egypt” in the Hebrew is a symbolic word for division being a land
divided by the Nile River. Most people lose the significance of
spiritual division caused by Paul…
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great
city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our
Master was crucified.
Yehoshua was not crucified in Sodom or Egypt and this is talking about
a spiritual conditions of corruption and division. Corruption from
the lies and division because people do not recognize the Messiah (and
ALL the other authors) and Paul do not preach the same message,
period. Paul has taught Christians to be judgmental Pharisees that
worship and serve Messiah instead of the one true Almighty, Yahweh.
Lev 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy
people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I
am YAHWEH.
Gossiping is the sin that first came into the world and Yahweh say it
came from Satan:
Eze 28:14 “You were the anointed cherub that covered. And I placed
you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Elohim. You walked up and
down in the midst of stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 “You were perfect in your ways from the day you were
created, *until unrighteousness was found in you*.
Eze 28:16 “By the greatness of your trade you became filled with
violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of
Elohim, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the
stones of fire.
Footnote: The stones of fire are the offering place of Yahweh! Trade
probably means exchange of words… gossiping.
Eze 28:17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, *you
corrupted your wisdom* for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to
the earth, *I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you.* *Footnote:
Isaiah 14
Eze 28:18 “You profaned your set-apart places by your many
crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I
brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned
you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you.
Sin entered the world by Satan, not Adam or Eve… they transgressed the
Torah by following the corruption of his false wisdom.
Satan was the first whisperer to practice Craft but not the last as we
see in Apostle Paul.
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Nicodemus
it is my place to bow, a free human being
it is my place where i pray
i pray
for the most perfect marriage
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in
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Snow
> it is my place to bow, a free human being
>
> it is my place where i pray
>
> i pray
>
> for the most perfect marriage
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results. “
Albert Einstein
I think that people might find it interesting that we can learn a lot
from stalkers, web trolls and spammers. Many people on usenet have
discovered a deep truth by the collective of these people that have an
insane need to attack other people… It is insanity to post the same
messages to people expecting different results and I have to admit, at
times I’ve been guilty of that same insanity but I’m learning from it
an important truth:
“Where Focus goes, energy flows”
To me, if religion isn’t helping other people work out problems, its
just vanity being shouted from the pulpit. In Hebrew religion and the
religion of the Messiah, the FOCUS was on the spirit YAHWEH, on belief
and on helping others though healing and teachings.
Denis Waitley says, “Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on
what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding
the answer.”
I believe in explaining the same principle in several different ways
and by doing this, it’s my hope that the real life examples I speak
about help the reader to know how to apply these basic principles in
their own life.
Finding a different way to communicate the same message is something
that I work on developing. If we consider the patters of the person
attacking another person’s point of view, we come to realize that we
empower the very things we are against but I didn’t always understand
this notion until I got into a spam war with other users.
People would tell me, “don’t feed the troll” and I didn’t listen to
them because I didn’t consider the principle (“where focus goes”) but
the more I posted to the threads of those people I considered insane,
the more their threads stayed at the top of the board… I posted a
response and the link to his message went straight back to the top
where some other person would tell me, “if you stop posting to him he
will go away”.
Henry Rollins said, “To hate is to show you still care, who needs
that, focus on what's really important.”
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Positive action does not come about by negative contemplation. We
can’t bring about world peace by going to war or thinking combat is a
solution to anything. War must be thought of as a mental illness that
is not an option. Instead of attacking population centers, simply cut
off the heads of state that promote this agenda.
We are not going to find solutions to world poverty, hunger or
environmental destruction by focusing on the problems; we must find a
better solution to them. I can throw a barrel of money and food at
the starving poor people but until they are taught how to provide for
themselves, I haven’t done them any favors except reward apathy like a
welfare system does.
Rod Blagojevich says, “A successful economic development strategy must
focus on improving the skills of the area's workforce, reducing the
cost of doing business and making available the resources business
needs to compete and thrive in today's global economy.” Notice that
he doesn’t talk about what people don’t have? Anything successful
must focus on the resources already available and making use of what
we have and improving that. Finally, we do not teach the Good News by
focusing on false ministry and attacking everybody else’s belief and
it’s for this reason the Messiah taught:
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” 14 “And
whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that
house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.”
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution and the
axiom that says, “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man
to fish, feed him for life”… Let’s make some fishermen and provide
some solutions.
The question is, who has the best solution and who has problems? I
always think that what brings out the best in people is competition.
Do you have a problem? I wonder if somebody would follow this up by
telling me what is wrong and see if a solution comes from talking
about it… but if you take anything away from this I hope you learn to
count your blessings and stop dwelling on what you don’t have.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
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A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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Snow
>
> it is my place where i pray
>
> i pray
>
> for the most perfect marriage
What's funny is to watch how people have already learned from me and
they are too ashamed to recognize that I have been teaching them a
lesson:)
Snow
> Did Jesus Christ by any name transliteration rise from the dead?
According to scriptures he was raised from the dead by the power of
YAHWEH, his deity.
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of YHWH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom YHWH hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Where your focus dwells on dogma of man, the truth be known that many
have risen by this same power, which is something lost on many
Christians.
Mat 22:31 “And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not
read what was spoken to you by Elohim, saying,
Mat 22:32 ‘I am the Elohim of Abraham, and the Elohim of Isaac, and
the Elohim of Jacob’? Elohim is not the Elohim of the dead, but of the
living.”
That Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were also raised again and in fact many
are and… they also appeared to men long after they died. So, in
return, I ask you do you believe Abraham rose from the dead?
The deeper meaning of these questions is to acknowledge the power of
YAHWEH since we know for a fact that dead means dead and an external
force of the dead must raise them.
Who raised “Jesus Christ” if he was DEAD?
Joh 5:30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter.
Joh 5:31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Do you believe your own scriptures?
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>
> > Thanks for the voice of support.. I don't know if John is Christian
> > but the talley now is one Messianic, one non believer and John
> > supporting not purchasing violent media. You would think this would
> > be a cause "Christians" would jump on board with ... you don't have to
> > subscribe to any particular theology to want less violence in the
> > world.
>
> Christians who aren't Christian.
The thing is, "live each day as if it were your last". Would you want
to make the world a better place or waste your time telling somebody
to go to hell because they don't agree with you? I believe that the
media is conditioning people to make evil choices and this is why you
have children that are behaving like demons on the streets of cities
around the world.
If we remove the profit incentive to make garbage, movies about life,
joy and morality will be made again but not until people as a
collective "Just say no" to violence.
Violence isn't the only problem as I see it… With pot and porn
outselling corn, America’s leading export is rampant pornography.
Hardcore porn makes more money than Hollywood movies; the US leads the
world in export of sex videos. Yes, my fellow Americans, stand tall
and wave those flags, take drugs to forget that porn, alcohol and
violence are your major exports to the world.
The “Christian” voice can dimly be heard Sunday morning during the wee
hours after a long night drunken binges and we have the nerve to
berate the Taliban for telling their daughters to cover up and not
follow the western example.
Reality says, If “Christians” were not calling 1-900 sex numbers our
televisions wouldn’t be flooded with advertising because they would
make NO PROFIT. If Christians were not going to strip clubs, buying
prostitutes and yes, making pornography freely available under the
guise of “Free Speech”, telling our daughters that sex is a commodity
to be traded for a piece of paper, the industry would be gone but its
thriving in this economic downturn. These are the “American Values”
we are fighting for and I don’t think their worth it any more.
If CHRISTIANS started actually standing up for what is truly right, we
wouldn’t have prostitutes walking down the back alleys of every major
city. We are “Porn again Christians”. What's the difference between
porn and prostitution? Porn is legal and so prostitution is also
legal in the United States but we delude ourselves into thinking
otherwise but what message are we teaching our daughters? We condemn
them for actually being whores on the one hand but overlook the fact
that our neighbor is rewarding them and buying them drugs and alcohol
to numb their senses while they pay to demean themselves.
But let me tell you daughters of the world, you are making your own
hell and selling yourselves short and any man that says otherwise
deserves nothing but despise.
Snow
campaign AGAINST violence. I'm not going to hurt anybody but I do need
your attention for a moment, please.
“All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can
wrong-doing remain?”
Buddha
If we can’t FOCUS applying scriptures to real life applications, what
use is it? You read the Scriptures, because you think you possess
everlasting life in them but then you convey them to others as a
weapon of attack rather than a defense of life. Titles on Usenet
include:
“Randy Young's evil deeds”
“COMPLAIN ABOUT VERA SIX”
“Ken's perishing mind”
“KELLY the LESBIAN AND PASTOR DAVE”
You get the idea.. Everybody is talking about everybody and here I am
talking about what everybody else is FOCUSed on. This sample post
might point to what I’m talking about:
On Dec 7, 6:41 pm, "Diana" <shechin...@reborn.com> wrote:
> Philippians 4:8 (King James Version)
>
> 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever
> things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things
> are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
>
> Only if the two hate mongers in ACC would simply follow this scripture.
Now, I’m only pointing this out to everybody because the passage says
basically, “FOCUS on things that are lovely, of good report, virtuous
and praise your deity but then Diana changes her focus and makes it
about “two hate mongers” and misses the point of the very thing she is
quoting…
We live in a world with a lot of real problems and the call to action
is that we focus on the solutions of virtue and it is my hope that by
pointing this out, it presents to the reader an awareness of NOW and
forgiveness. Why are we to forgive our brothers seven times seven
times a day?
Mat 18:22 Yehoshua said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven
times, but up to seventy times seven.
Because when I hold on to unforgiveness it only hurts the container…
myself.
“Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is
stored than to anything on which it is poured.”
Mark Twain
The time is NOW to FOCUS on real problems and not each other because
none of you are the problem… You are the solution to the problem and
knowing this gives you the momentum to change, to actually forgive,
forget and speak to aiding people instead of attacking them… if other
people won’t change:
Rev 22:11 “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy,
let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more
righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart.
I hope that some of you will take this to heart and FOCUS on a
solution and if somebody attacks you, turn the other cheek.
Shalom,
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When we are motivated by goals that have deep meaning, by dreams that
need completion, by pure love that needs expressing, then we truly
live. Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in
finishing an activity but in doing it.
Greg Anderson
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Nicodemus
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It was when the tenor screamed
Amazing Grace
Glory To The Hallelujah
Snow
> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in news:8eb435af-7b79-4283-b654-
> 13dff4d1d...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
Hopefully you have a beautiful day. I always appreciate hearing from
you.
Snow
> It was when the tenor screamed
>
> Amazing Grace
>
> Glory To The Hallelujah
On Dec 8, 12:02 am, Fletcher Hodges wrote:
> Amen to that. We are pulling our children out of public school to home
> school. There is media violence everywhere you turn. We have attempted to
> raise our children up to follow His way. Interaction with "the ways of the
> world" will ruin them. Put me on the list as one more Messianic in favor of
> nonviolence and the rejection of media entertainment as the world knows it.
> We are called to set apart.
>
> Shalom,
> FH
My neighbor had a problem with his ex-girlfriend cheating on him.
After the break up, he was absolutely miserable and I tried to give
him some advice for his future relationships that I thought I would
pass on.
Stop just speaking to woman seeking sexual gratification. Life is
like taking the public bus to work, you are not in control except you
know your destination.
One of the biggest problems with pornography is that as men, we tend
to start seeing woman as body parts and not sisters and daughters of
our neighbors. This in turn effects how we react to them because no
longer are we seeking just to start up a conversation with a lady, we
a seeking sexual domination and hundreds of web sites and authors
demonstrate the “Magnolia” effect. If you’ve seen Tom Cruise in
“Magnolia”, you know what I mean.
“Art is nothing more or less than various modes of stylized,
dehumanized representation.”
Susan Sontag
It is the dehumanizing and depersonalization process that allows
rapist to victimize other people and the military soldier to kill
other human beings he believes are trying to harm him. Rape and murder
begin a vicious cycle of revenge and it continues to snowball,
gathering more energy as people focus on actual human conditions.
Mat 24:11 “And many false prophets shall rise up and lead many astray.
12 “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall
become cold.
The media becomes the great false prophet of our age as we passively
“entertain” ourselves day in and day out with various acts of violence
done against other people but religious people continue this tradition
in usenet. Consider the following quote:
> People refute your antichrist message here because you are posting in
> a religious newsgroup designed for DEBATE.
First we establish a motive in that rather than simply transmitting a
message to other people, this author believes any statement post to
her particular fiefdom must be debated and requires a response. This
allows her to proceed to say things she would never say to another
person face to face:
> I don't suppose you know what 'debate' is
> either, but because you are ignorant, you cannot understand the nature
> of the media you've chosen, instead you are under the delusion you can
> intimidate and lie and use the Messiah's teachings to manipulate
> others into silence so you can use this newsgroup as your private
> podium for your antichrist false teachings.
No longer am I another human being posting my messages and attempting
to help other people, I am an “antichrist”, a liar, ignorant,
delusional, a manipulator and basically everything evil under the
sun. In this “religious” view, I am only worthy of her scorn because
I am not human but a demonic spirit. The love of Messiah, compassion
and turning the other cheek are all but lost on this “Christian” and
many others that spew hatred on a daily bases. Let me state that
according to this persons perspective, she is absolutely correct but
what she fails to recognize is that I am independent of her good
opinion.
Rather than confront our own behavior, we attack every other person
and label them to negate them. You will find that issues of any real
significance are avoided or if the person bothers to respond, they
quickly change the topic to unrelated topics so they feel justified in
attacking another person’s point of view.
Nobody talks about their problems; nobody talks about war, anger,
hatred, and sexual abuse… the range of topics are endless but the
sociopathic nature of usenet or message posters isn’t conducive to
self analysis.
Jas 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one
another, so that you are healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous one
accomplishes much.
I want to let you in on something missed by most people, evil will
destroy itself. John Milton said, “Better to reign in hell than serve
in heaven." The question begs, “Who reigns in hell?” because if
everybody wants to reign in hell, it seems you have a never ending
life of strife and for this reason the Messiah said:
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This one does
not cast out demons except by Beʽelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”
Mat 12:25 And Yehoshua knew their thoughts, and said to them, “Every
reign divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or house
divided against itself shall not stand.
Mat 12:26 “And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against
himself. How then does his reign stand?
Mat 12:27 “And if I, by Beʽelzebul, do cast out demons, by whom do
^your sons cast them out? Because of this they shall be your judges.
You children will be you judge, did anybody catch that? We are to be
living examples and if we are doing things we don’t want our children
to do when they grow up, then the behavior to change is ours. As I
speak on this topic, my unbelieving friend Rod responded to another
person:
Original responder:
> and here he has
> actually come right out and said that Christians are drunks, perverts
> addicted to porn, and involved in prostitution when anyone would
> realize he has no way of knowing this; it is just character
> assassination of anyone professing belief in the Messiah.
(Unbelieving Rod)
“Baloney. You are turning a blind eye to things that happen every day
which your brothers and sisters are involved in. Ministers of Christ
paying prostitutes with congregation monies, embezzling millions from
ministries, sticking their middle fingers high in the air at Christ.”
As the Messiah said, “Because of this they shall be your judges.” We
are to be living example and our flaws are adopted by our children.
Want to see what a person is really like, look at the children they
raise. Raising flawed children does not mean our children are flawed,
it means we need to work harder at setting a better example for them
to follow and this can be changed in an instant.
Joh 13:15 “For I gave you an example, that you should do as I have
done to you.
If our purpose is not service to our brothers, we should re-examine
our own behavior and not waste our time wrongly condemning other
people for this is truth, “We are not the sole possessor of truth” for
this right belongs only to YAHWEH who is true and always is. We can
attempt to convey our understanding of the truth with humility but
this does not mean we are always right and this includes myself
first.
When I speak of “Christians”, I speak of myself and my brothers and
because it is my desire to fix myself. I do not condemn them and I
have no right to think I have the right to do it.
My first goal for myself must start with knowing that it is a son or
daughter of the most high, created in his image that I convey these
messages to and that I am judged according to my own actions and my
own words with the same I measure to all other people. I must fix
myself first….
Mat 7:4 “Or how is it that you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the
splinter out of your eye,’ and see, a plank is in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 “Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then
you shall see clearly to remove the splinter out of your brother’s
eye.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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For true love is inexhaustible; the more you give, the more you have.
And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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