CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
.Matt
CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
it is still possible to commit it today. Opinions on this question
certainly vary, and scholars seem to be divided in their positions.
The evidence, however, seems to point toward the idea that this sin
cannot be committed today.
First, the circumstances under which the sin is described cannot
prevail today, due to the fact that the age of miracles has ceased
(see Miller, 2003). No one today will have the opportunity to witness
Jesus performing miracles in person (2 Corinthians 5:16).
Second, there is no other mention of the sin in any biblical passage
written after the resurrection of Christ. None of the inspired New
Testament writers refers to the sin in any epistle or in the book of
Acts, and none offers warnings to new converts about avoiding the sin
post-Pentecost. Franklin observed:
If it were possible for it to be committed, would there not have
been some warning against it? Were there any danger regarding it,
would the Apostle Paul, who wrote half the books of the New Testament,
have failed to warn against its commission? Paul does not even mention
the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The sin in question was
actually committed in the days of our Lord’s ministry on earth, but it
does not necessarily follow that it could be committed in His absence
(p. 233).
In discussing this matter, Gus Nichols wrote: "It seems that all sins
committed today are pardonable, and that all can be saved, if they
will” (1967, p. 239). V.E. Howard, commented along the same lines when
he stated that “there is no unpardonable sin today" (1975, p. 156).
In conclusion, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only
unpardonable sin mentioned in the Bible, and it is mentioned in the
context of the Pharisees accusing Jesus of being possessed by the
Devil. The context indicates that it was a specific sin, and not a
series of forgivable sins, or an attitude of persistent unbelief.
After the resurrection, no inspired writer mentions the sin, and no
warnings against it were recorded. There is no concrete evidence that
it can be committed today. The fact that it is not mentioned after the
resurrection, lends itself to the idea that it cannot still be
committed. In fact, the indication from passages such as 1 John 1:7,9
is that "all unrighteousness" that a person could commit today can be
forgiven by the blood of Jesus. As Howard said when concluding his
remarks about the eternal sin: "In the same scripture our Lord gave
full assurance that every sin and blasphemy against the ‘Son of man’
shall be forgiven him. Today the gospel of Christ is to be preached to
every man on earth and any man on earth may be saved by obeying the
gospel (Mark 16:15-16)" [p. 157].
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2272
Copyright © 2003
I will be posting more soon
God Bless
Matt
Peter
Very good post Matt! Can I have permission for you to use this
in our next church meeting ? We have a couple of people in the
church that see things a lot like Fred does, and need some material
to set them strait.
Thank you.
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Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth
of My Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall
dream dreams:
.Matt
wrote:
I can't give you permission only got it for myself.
The Usage guidelines would allow you to do so though.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apinfo/usage
> We have a couple of people in the
> church that see things a lot like Fred does, and need some material
> to set them strait.
Well hopefully they are just misinformed and not out to make
themselves as the finger of Doom as Fred and Vera Do.
Strange that Vera and Fred have forgotten that we are to serve Christ,
not use Christ for power and authority over others.
God Bless
Matt
>
>
> Thank you.
Nicodemus
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> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:42:51 -0500, Peter <john_15_10_14
Thank You
Amazing Grace
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Good article. Thank you for posting it Matt.
God bless,
Grace
LuckyLuke
".Matt" <trdel...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Posted with permission.
>
>
> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
Yes. The unpardonable sin is the sin that you don't want to turn from.
Linda Lee
Very nice.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com
> Posted with permission.
>
>
> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>
> The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
> it is still possible to commit it today. Opinions on this question
> certainly vary, and scholars seem to be divided in their positions.
> The evidence, however, seems to point toward the idea that this sin
> cannot be committed today.
>
> First, the circumstances under which the sin is described cannot
> prevail today, due to the fact that the age of miracles has ceased
> (see Miller, 2003). No one today will have the opportunity to witness
> Jesus performing miracles in person (2 Corinthians 5:16).
>
> Second, there is no other mention of the sin in any biblical passage
> written after the resurrection of Christ. None of the inspired New
> Testament writers refers to the sin in any epistle
Which is easily refuted...
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall
ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There
is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
The First Epistle of John, usually referred to simply as First John and
often written 1 John, is a book of the New Testament. This fourth
catholic or "general" epistle is attributed to John the Evangelist,
traditionally thought to be the author of the Gospel of John and the
other two epistles of John. This Epistle was written in Ephesus between
the years 100-110.
I will not waste my time to read the rest of the blah-blah if the first
point is refuted already. I have to dismiss the rest. Nonsense is
nonsense, no matter in which sophisticated style it might be written...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wonder if Marty Colbert has an idea what this means...
> I will be posting more soon
Oh boy.
> God Bless
>
> Matt
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.Matt
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>.Matt trdel...@gmail.com wrote in
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>> Posted with permission.
>>
>>
>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>>
>> The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
>> it is still possible to commit it today. Opinions on this question
>> certainly vary, and scholars seem to be divided in their positions.
>> The evidence, however, seems to point toward the idea that this sin
>> cannot be committed today.
>>
>> First, the circumstances under which the sin is described cannot
>> prevail today, due to the fact that the age of miracles has ceased
>> (see Miller, 2003). No one today will have the opportunity to witness
>> Jesus performing miracles in person (2 Corinthians 5:16).
>>
>> Second, there is no other mention of the sin in any biblical passage
>> written after the resurrection of Christ. None of the inspired New
>> Testament writers refers to the sin in any epistle
>
>Which is easily refuted...
>
>If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall
>ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There
>is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
First, John draws a distinction in this passage between "sin unto
death" and "sin not unto death." This seems, at first glance, to
suggest that some sins are more serious than others, that in fact they
are so severe that they cannot be forgiven but rather lead one into
eternal death. According to 5:16, one may see a fellow Christian
commit a sin that does not lead to death. But the passage does not
explicitly say that it is a fellow believer committing the sin that
does lead to death. Indeed, by definition this seems impossible in
the Johannine epistles and particularly in the present context. Sin
unto death is sin that carries a person into death's clutches, into
the grip of the evil one (v. 19). And a child of God does not sin in
that way, because one who is truly born of God will rather manifest
that in confession of sin and dependence for forgiveness upon the
atoning work of Christ. But "sin unto death" is already evidence that
one lives in the realm of death, in the world, under the control of
the evil one, and not in the sphere of life and righteousness granted
by God to those who trust in Christ's work on their behalf.
The distinction between kinds of sin is not, therefore, a ranking of
the seriousness of sins that believers commit. Instead, we have here
an implicit distinction between kinds of sinners and sinning. "Sinning
not unto death" is, paradoxically, sin in the realm of life, committed
by one who has eternal life. Some of the epistle's statements (3:4-10;
5:18) could be taken to mean that sinning is evidence that one does
not have life. Yet when sins are dealt with in accordance with God's
plan to forgive sins--through the prayer for forgiveness and the
"atoning sacrifice" of Jesus Christ (1:9; 2:2)--God hears the prayer
of one believer for another and so forgives the repentant sinner. The
sinner remains in the realm of life. Yet in no way is John sanctioning
cheap grace or a licentious lifestyle, for all wrongdoing is sin.
Indeed, this is why the sins of all-- even those who believe in the
name of the Son of God and have eternal life--must be confessed and
forgiven. But where there is no confession, there is "sinning unto
death," sin committed in the realm of death, sin that comes from and
leads to death for the one who is guilty of it.
But how does one "see" (5:16) another Christian committing a sin? Does
this mean that it is a public or visible sin? Is the Elder referring
only to kinds of sins that one can witness, such as actions, rather
than thoughts? As is typical of the Johannine literature, "seeing"
probably means "perceiving" or "understanding." If one has
perceived--and John does not explain how one "perceives" this--that a
fellow Christian is sinning, the proper response is to pray for that
person. Presumably, that person has also repented and asked for
forgiveness, for if the person who is sinning and is to be prayed for
is indeed a brother or sister, a fellow Christian, then on John's view
they would also be characterized by con fession of sin and petition
for pardon. Those who do not acknowledge their sins to God are not
children of God.
And this gives us a clue why John prohibits prayers for those "whose
sin is unto death" (5:16). This prohibition initially seems both
hard-hearted and wrong-headed: surely these are precisely the people
who most need prayer! The crucial question here is, For what is one
forbid den to ask? Verse 16 implies that one asks for life for the
brother or sister who sins, just as Jesus asks for the life of Lazarus
(Jn 11:41-43) and for forgiveness for the repentant sinner (1 Jn 2:1).
Here, one asks for the confessing sinner to be held steadfast in
eternal life (compare 5:18; Jn 17:11-15). Such a prayer can be made
because this person (a) continues to be a faithful member of the
community ("brother" or "sister"), which implies (b) that this person
holds the Johannine confession of Christ and (c) acknowledges the sin
to God (1:8--2:2). They have life, and prayer is made that they
continue to receive life.
More at
http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/1John/Closing-Exhortations
God Bless
Matt
Amazing Grace
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:29:46 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>.Matt trdel...@gmail.com wrote in
>>r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com
>>> Posted with permission.
>>>>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
(snipped)
> More at
>
> http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/1John/Closing-Exhortations
>>> http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2272
>>>
>>> Copyright � 2003
>>
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>I wonder if Marty Colbert has an idea what this means...
>>
>>> I will be posting more soon
>>
>>Oh boy.
>>
>>
>>> God Bless
>>>
>>> Matt
She must have a problem with comprehending what she reads since the very
first line said"Posted With Permission."
Grace
Peter
Yes, and you replied to it indicating that the truth in the article
was enough to loosen your EVIL grip.
'nuff said, you've proven "what" you are...
.Matt
I missed that little deception on Vera's part
Yes she does not know what "Posted With Permission." means.
Want to guess what will be said next ;-)))
God Bless You
Matt
Peter
grip on the doctrine that she claims is correct, making her a liar.
Good on you Matt!
gabriel
wrote:
> Posted with permission.
>
>
> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>
> The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
> it is still possible to commit it today. Opinions on this question
> certainly vary, and scholars seem to be divided in their positions.
> The evidence, however, seems to point toward the idea that this sin
> cannot be committed today.
>
> First, the circumstances under which the sin is described cannot
> prevail today, due to the fact that the age of miracles has ceased
> (see Miller, 2003). No one today will have the opportunity to witness
> Jesus performing miracles in person (2 Corinthians 5:16).
My take on it:
To see Jesus (or a disciple) perform miracles is to be witness to
God Himself in terms of His glory and power - those miracles are
undeniably of God. So to bear witness to God's miracles, realize
you just witnessed a miracle, but pass it off as being of the
devil is to blaspheme God directly. And this is what "shall not
be forgiven."
People's eyes were not all opened to the truth that Jesus Christ
was the son of God (".. the world was made by Him, and the world
knew Him not" John 1:10-11) - so to blaspheme Him those people
were not all aware they were blaspheming God, so "it shall be
forgiven him."
But for those who witness miracles outright, they are now bearing
undeniable witness to the direct power of God (through the Holy
Spirit) - to blaspheme that is to blaspheme God, so "it shall not
be forgiven."
Now, would any of the Jews or Pharisees have directly just flat
out said "BLEEP God"? I highly doubt it. But doing that would be
a person knowingly attacking God directly - such an affront
"shall not be forgiven."
Luke 12:8-10
8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before
men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the
angels of God:
9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied
before the angels of God.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of
man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that
blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be
forgiven.
Jesus mentions it here amidst other things - not right after He
did a miracle and it was attributed to Satan instead. So in
general, unto Him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost (in
other words, kid yourself all you want: you are now blaspheming
God directly) it "shall not be forgiven."
And today there are people who vulgarly insult God directly - I'd
say that's more than a step further than merely denying that a
miracle was wrought of God.
So yes, those who are brazen enough to vulgarly attack God
directly in my opinion are doing far more than blaspheming the
holy spirit - they're blaspheming God knowingly and directly.
>
> Second, there is no other mention of the sin in any biblical passage
> written after the resurrection of Christ. None of the inspired New
> Testament writers refers to the sin in any epistle or in the book of
> Acts, and none offers warnings to new converts about avoiding the sin
> post-Pentecost. Franklin observed:
>
> If it were possible for it to be committed, would there not have
> been some warning against it? Were there any danger regarding it,
> would the Apostle Paul, who wrote half the books of the New Testament,
> have failed to warn against its commission? Paul does not even mention
> the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The sin in question was
> actually committed in the days of our Lord’s ministry on earth, but it
> does not necessarily follow that it could be committed in His absence
> (p. 233).
>
> In discussing this matter, Gus Nichols wrote: "It seems that all sins
> committed today are pardonable, and that all can be saved, if they
> will” (1967, p. 239). V.E. Howard, commented along the same lines when
> he stated that “there is no unpardonable sin today" (1975, p. 156).
>
> In conclusion, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only
> unpardonable sin mentioned in the Bible, and it is mentioned in the
> context of the Pharisees accusing Jesus of being possessed by the
> Devil.
In Luke it's mentioned in general, not under that context.
Something else to consider.
All glory and honor to God!
Sam taylor
Ronald Wilson Reagan certainly WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN!!!
GOD will not find him faultless for speaking blasphemy against Ronald Wilson
Reagan!!, nor Pat Robertson, and Jerry Fallwell.news:r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com...
Antares 531
wrote:
>Posted with permission.
I can't cite any specific references, but I do remember, all my life,
preachers have pointed out that the unpardonable sin is the choice of
rejecting Christ and his salvation. Without that, there is no
forgiveness, and no salvation. But, I've always understood that a
person could change their mind, even if they were within minutes of
death, and Christ would forgive them. After death, there is no
forgiveness without the salvation of Christ.
Gordon
Linda Lee
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:29:46 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>
>
>
> >.Matt trdell1...@gmail.com wrote in
> >r0jkq5p12bvr4097lm94ojqhr1sca53...@4ax.com
> >> Posted with permission.
>
> >> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>
> >> The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
> >> it is still possible to commit it today. Opinions on this question
> >> certainly vary, and scholars seem to be divided in their positions.
> >> The evidence, however, seems to point toward the idea that this sin
> >> cannot be committed today.
>
> >> First, the circumstances under which the sin is described cannot
> >> prevail today, due to the fact that the age of miracles has ceased
> >> (see Miller, 2003). No one today will have the opportunity to witness
> >> Jesus performing miracles in person (2 Corinthians 5:16).
>
> >> Second, there is no other mention of the sin in any biblical passage
> >> written after the resurrection of Christ. None of the inspired New
> >> Testament writers refers to the sin in any epistle
>
>
>
> >ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There
> >is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
>
> First, John draws a distinction in this passage between "sin unto
> death" and "sin not unto death." This seems, at first glance, to
> suggest that some sins are more serious than others, that in fact they
> are so severe that they cannot be forgiven but rather lead one into
> eternal death. According to 5:16, one may see a fellow Christian
> commit a sin that does not lead to death. But the passage does not
> explicitly say that it is a fellow believer committing the sin that
> does lead to death.
When I posted before in this thread, I was commenting only on the fact
that the author identified the unforgivable sin as the claim that the
Devil acted through Christ, i.e. the Spirit in Christ was the spirit
of Satan, and I did not address your question, 'Can the unforgivable
sin be committed today?'
The verse Vera brought up in I John 5:16 indicates that the
unforgivable sin can still be committed today, as the "sin unto death"
is different than other sins that don't necessarily lead to death, and
it is the SAME SIN as the 'unforgivable sin' of blasphemy against the
Holy Spirit portrayed in Mark 3:22-30 (claiming the Holy Spirit that
was in Christ is an evil spirit).
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto
death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not
unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray
for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto
death.
'John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible' on "THE SIN UNTO DEATH in
I John 5:16:
"1Jn 5:16 ...There is A SIN UNTO DEATH; which is not only deserving
of death, as every other sin is, but which certainly and inevitably
issues in death in all that commit it, without exception; and THAT IS
THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, which is neither forgiven in this
world nor in that to come, and therefore must be unto death".
The Sin Against the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost - The Unforgivable/
Unpardonable Sin:
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath
Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he [Christ] called them unto him, and said unto them in
parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
...
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the
sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath
never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
And Mark explains in Mark 3:30, "Because they said, He [Christ] hath
an unclean spirit".
'Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible' on the Unforgivable Sin:
"But the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost - Even personal reproaches,
revilings, persecutions against Christ, were remissible; but
blasphemy, or impious speaking against the Holy Spirit was to have no
forgiveness: i.e. when the person obstinately attributed those works
to the devil, which he had the fullest evidence could be wrought only
by the Spirit of God. That this, and nothing else, is the sin against
the Holy Spirit, is evident from the connection in this place, and
more particularly from Mar_3:28-30. “All sins shall be forgiven unto
the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall
blaspheme; but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath
never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation; Because they
said, He hath an unclean spirit.”
Here the matter is made clear beyond the smallest doubt - THE
UNPARDONABLE SIN, as some term it, is neither less nor more than
ASCRIBING THE MIRACLES CHRIST WROUGHT, BY THE POWER OF GOD, TO THE
SPIRIT OF THE DEVIL. __Many sincere people have been grievously
troubled with apprehensions that they had committed the unpardonable
sin; but let it be observed that no man who believes the Divine
mission of Jesus Christ, ever can commit this sin: therefore let no
man’s heart fail because of it, from henceforth and for ever, Amen."__
Notice the last sentence in the previous paragraph, Matt.
'John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible' on the Unforgivable Sin:
"Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost,....
Against his person, and the works performed by him, by ascribing them
to diabolical power and influence, as the Scribes did, hath never
forgiveness: there is no pardon provided in the covenant of grace, nor
obtained by the blood of Christ for such persons, or ever applied to
them by the Spirit; but is in danger of eternal damnation. The Vulgate
Latin reads it, and so it is read in an ancient copy of Beza's, guilty
of an eternal sin; a sin which can never be blotted out, and will
never be forgiven, but will be punished with everlasting destruction".
> Indeed, by definition this seems impossible in
> the Johannine epistles and particularly in the present context. Sin
> unto death is sin that carries a person into death's clutches, into
> the grip of the evil one (v. 19). And a child of God does not sin in
> that way,
> because one who is truly born of God will rather manifest
> that in confession of sin and dependence for forgiveness upon the
> atoning work of Christ. But "sin unto death" is already evidence that
> one lives in the realm of death, in the world, under the control of
> the evil one, and not in the sphere of life and righteousness granted
> by God to those who trust in Christ's work on their behalf.
True. Children of God would not claim Christ's Spirit was the spirit
of Satan.
> http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/1John/Closi...
>
> God Bless
>
> Matt
>
Linda Lee
> ".Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com...
>
> > Posted with permission.
>
> > CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>
> Yes. The unpardonable sin is the sin that you don't want to turn from.
That is sort of true, but the "unpardonable sin" is referring to the
only sin that is not forgiven, even if you repent and turn from it.
Linda Lee
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:35:29 -0800, .Matt <trdell1...@gmail.com>
Matt. 12:32 specifies that the unforgivable sin will not be forgiven
in THIS world nor in the next world, so it doesn't sound like one can
change their mind. Mark 3:30 specified that the unforgivable sin was
claiming Christ had an "unclean spirit" i.e. a demonic spirit, not
just rejecting Christ for a time.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy
shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the
world to come.
Andrew W
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Really? But that's more like unrepentant sin.
So then why is it called unpardonable?
I think maybe you've confused the two.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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Peter, I have wronged you greatly and i ask your forgiveness in Jesus
name,
please forgive us!
Vera
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Peter, I have wronged you greatly and i ask your forgiveness in Jesus
Linda Lee
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>
> > .Matt wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:56:26 -0400, "Amazing Grace"
>
> >>> ".Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:29:46 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>
> >>>>> .Matt trdell1...@gmail.com wrote in
> >>>>> r0jkq5p12bvr4097lm94ojqhr1sca53...@4ax.com
>
> >>>>>>>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
> >>> (snipped)
>
> >>>> More at
>
> >>>>>>http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2272
>
> >>>>>> Copyright © 2003
> >>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> >>>>> I wonder if Marty Colbert has an idea what this means...
>
> >>>>>> I will be posting more soon
> >>>>> Oh boy.
>
> >>>>>> God Bless
>
> >>>>>> Matt
>
> >>> She must have a problem with comprehending what she reads since the
> >>> very first line said"Posted With Permission."
> >>> Grace
>
> >> I missed that little deception on Vera's part
>
> >> Yes she does not know what "Posted With Permission." means. Want to
> >> guess what will be said next ;-)))
>
> >> God Bless You Matt
>
> > The ONLY reason she replied is because the article is loosening her grip
> > on the doctrine that she claims is correct, making her a liar.
>
> > Good on you Matt!
>
> > --
>
> Peter, I have wronged you greatly and i ask your forgiveness in Jesus
> name,
> please forgive us!
>
> Vera
Good for you, Vera. :-)
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And where is the forgiveness you also should extend to him ? Are you to
good
to do this ?
Linda Lee
wrote:
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Already did it Vera and to you too. So where is the apology you should
extend to me, like Peter did?
Fred A Stover
It is unpardonable because it can not be forgiven in this world, or later in
the world to come: "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy
Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against
the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the
Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in
the world to come" (Matt 12:31-32).
He keeps committing it, blaspheming and whining, "Prove it. Prove it."
Read it, read it.
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Indeed. It is unbelievable... you can refute him right under his nose
with Scripture, but he keeps on whining as you say.
It will be Easter soon - he cannot believe what happened when Jesus
defeated him there at Calvary... he is still whining after almost 2000
years.
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5ralq5lnbhn4615c2...@4ax.com
That is another good point. Thank you for adding that!
> Gordon
Jesus is LORD!
Ike E 3/20/2010
> Posted with permission.
>
>
> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
Of course: People die for refusing to denounce Jesus and His Gospel every
day.
In the politically correct "Babylonian" societies, not so much...
[snip]
Ike
Ike E 3/20/2010
[snip]
> First, John draws a distinction in this passage between "sin unto
> death" and "sin not unto death." This seems, at first glance, to
> suggest that some sins are more serious than others, that in fact they
> are so severe that they cannot be forgiven but rather lead one into
> eternal death. According to 5:16, one may see a fellow Christian
> commit a sin that does not lead to death. But the passage does not
> explicitly say that it is a fellow believer committing the sin that
> does lead to death. Indeed, by definition this seems impossible in
> the Johannine epistles and particularly in the present context. Sin
> unto death is sin that carries a person into death's clutches, into
> the grip of the evil one (v. 19). And a child of God does not sin in
> that way, because one who is truly born of God will rather manifest
> that in confession of sin and dependence for forgiveness upon the
> atoning work of Christ. But "sin unto death" is already evidence that
> one lives in the realm of death, in the world, under the control of
> the evil one, and not in the sphere of life and righteousness granted
> by God to those who trust in Christ's work on their behalf.
You idiots STILL don't get what the "sin unto death" is.
THIS is it...
Re 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him
was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over
the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with
death, and with the beasts of the earth.
This is a prophetic paraphrase of the statement recorded six times in four
Gospels...
"Whoever shall save their life shall lose it [hell]; but whoever shall lose
their life for My sake, and the Gospel's [death], shall save it."
This is the ONLY "sin unto death," which is to flat-out deny who and what
Jesus is to save your ass even though one KNOWS who and what He is,
DELIBERATELY blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
How many times does Jesus have to warn you?
Lk 21:12-19
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute
you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought
before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a
testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what
ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your
adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks,
and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye
shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of
your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
How does one, in their internal patience, possess his or her OWN soul?
By NOT succumbing to the temptation to QUIT the Gospel for the sake of one's
TEMPORAL LIFE.
Of course, the modern so-called "evangelicals" don't get this part, because
they preach a false front-loaded Gospel, whereas Jesus taught a back-loaded
Gospel ((i.e. "whosoever shall endure TO THE END shall be saved," not
"whoever just starts"), as illustrated above.
There's a huge difference between the REAL Gospel and the failed one taken
up in this age of "Sardis," and it's the reason why so few of them are
"worthy:" It's hard for people to prove themselves worthy when they teach
that there is nothing worthy required of them.
Ike
.Matt
Vera Six are you saying Jesus died to defeat satan??
Linda Lee
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:42:36 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>
>
>
> >Fred A Stover fsto...@tx.rr.com wrote in 810245Fgg...@mid.individual.net
> >>>>> Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> >>> .Matt trdell1...@gmail.com wrote in
> >>> r0jkq5p12bvr4097lm94ojqhr1sca53...@4ax.com
The Scriptures say that was the Messiah's reason for manifesting and
he was prophesied to die and resurrect:
1Jn 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
>
>
>
> >> --
> >> His,
>
> >> More @http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
> >>>> 16:15-16)" [p. 157].http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2272
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Sure, Marty Colbert. Did you not know that, but have claimed to be a
Christian for several years, or what??
Ike E 3/20/2010
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[snip]
> I can't cite any specific references, but I do remember, all my life,
> preachers have pointed out that the unpardonable sin is the choice of
> rejecting Christ and his salvation. Without that, there is no
> forgiveness, and no salvation. But, I've always understood that a
> person could change their mind, even if they were within minutes of
> death, and Christ would forgive them. After death, there is no
> forgiveness without the salvation of Christ.
Because they are FALSE teachers who can't think of anything substitutable to
counter the REAL "sin unto death," which is to deny Christ to save one's
butt.
Of course, that would mean that Jesus' Gospel is back-loaded, not
front-loaded, as the false teachers today say, so OF COURSE their going to
do everything they can to avoid the REAL answer to the question, "what is
the sin unto death."
Ike
Richard
"Amazing Grace" wrote:
> > " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > >.Matt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Posted with permission.
<snip>
> > > > Copyright © 2003
> > >
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > I wonder if Marty Colbert has an idea what this means...
>
>
> since the very first line said "Posted With Permission."
I noticed that as well. However, we all know exactly what the purpose of
the comment was.
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> .Matt wrote:
> >
> > Posted with permission.
> >
> >
>
According to your understanding perhaps.
> If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall
> ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There
> is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 1 John 5:16
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are verb forms and
which are nouns?
Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
That means that with regard to:
sin not unto death : sin unto death
We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is, we can not
impune that one of these references is with regard to a singular sin while
the other is with reference to all other sin.
Further: That John goes on to state once again: "and there is a sin not
unto death". Why does John feel the need to emphasize this through this
repetition?
> I will not waste my time to read the rest of the blah-blah if the first
> point is refuted already. I have to dismiss the rest. Nonsense is
> nonsense, no matter in which sophisticated style it might be written...
And yet, you have not truly refuted anything.
.Matt
Yes I knew this. Just not sure why Vera Six and Fred A Stover think
we need to fear Easter or why I should.
They can't support there Eisegesis so keep making it about me. That
is called something and my mind is blank. As soon as I hit send I'll
remember AD something I think.
I like this part also
1 John 3
1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we
should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know
us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of
God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know
that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him
as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself,
just as He is pure.
Thanks God Bless
Matt
.Matt
Ike I have seen several different views on this and will post more
later.
I have found that this subject is not agreed about by many.
I also have found none that agree with Fred and Vera's position on it.
Do You???
Fred and Vera's position seems to be to disagree with them on any
scriptural matter condemns a person. Do you agree??
We are all given different gifts. Do you think making the best of
your gifts is good??
I don't completely understand what you wrote above.
Thanks and God Bless
Matt
LuckyLuke
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I know. But, think of it... Most of the people that will go to hell it's not
because they do that sin but because they do forgivable sins and they don't
turn from.
Anyway, i disagree with those that wants to delete the scriptures without
proofs. If Jesus said that there is an unpardonable sin, things didn't
change.
That sin still exist.
The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God, because
the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any blasphemy
against God can't.
It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between him and God;
it's not me...
According to the specific scriptures, to blasphemy God means to give 'glory'
to Satan for what God does.
At the same time we have false miracles and wonders that seems coming from
God but are coming from the Devil, included healings. I saw people use magic
to heal people and the things worked.
So, Satan is promoting himself through miracles also. But it is not much
difficult to discern the source of a miracle. If a miracle comes through
people that preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, then is God performing the
miracle. If the miracle comes through people that preach a *slightly
different* gospel that doesn't lead you to repentance and purification, but
instead it lets you stay comfortable in your sins, that is Satan performing
the miracles because he wants you to stay in your sins and to believe you
are saved while you are not.
It is called in fact "deception".
At the end of the day, we should be very careful not to judge so easily
where a miracle comes from.
The Jehovah's witness, for example, they say that every miracle comes from
the devil. This way they commit an unforgivable sin.
Sorry for them. If they are unaware of this specific sin, they may obtain
mercy from God.
Amazing Grace
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Indeed we do.
duke
<maran...@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>> In discussing this matter, Gus Nichols wrote: "It seems that all sins
>> committed today are pardonable
They are, until the day you die. And if you die with one on your soul, it's too
late to change.
It would be wise for you to look to God's word rather than to find some way out
for yourself. You can only lose your way.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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> Linda, you are not replying to me, but to Rodney Eastman aka Peter.
>
Where is your proof ? You do have proof of this, correct ???
PUT IT RIGHT THERE !!
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No proof ?? I didn't think so .. liar...
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of My Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall
dream dreams:
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> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> Linda, you are not replying to me, but to Rodney Eastman aka Peter.
>>
>
> Where is your proof ? You do have proof of this, correct ???
>
> PUT IT RIGHT THERE !!
>
> ______________x________________________________
>
>
> No proof ?? I didn't think so .. liar...
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
Do you morons see the differences above ? The post above is
what it would look like if I post as Vera. I use Thunderbird
and always have. Vera uses outhouse exploder..
The posting accounts are not even the same, for crying out loud!
get a BRAIN! O' right hand of GOD!
Just look at the headers. It would be incorrect for me to say
that any idiot could tell the difference, because YOU sure as hell
CAN'T !!
Oh, you want proof do you stupid ????
Here it is idiots!:
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The Fakes ENTIRE HEADER:
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Can you idiots see the differences ? No, I'll bet you can't. You are
so used to making accusations that aren't accompanied with proof that
there is no changing you.
The fact IS that if you have the sense enough to compare the tbird
header with the outhouse header you are going to find that my header
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I'll wager that a good third of you idiots can't read for comprehension!
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>Posted with permission.
>
>
>CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>The next question usually asked concerning this sin is whether or not
>it is still possible to commit it today.
Yes. Sins against God are easier than ever because they are sins of choice to
turn from God . And to die with telling God that his Word in the Gospels is
wrong is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
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> "Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>> On Mar 24, 3:02 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> ".Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel
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>>>> Posted with permission.
>>>
>>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>>>
>>> Yes. The unpardonable sin is the sin that you don't want to turn
>>> from.
>>
>>
>> That is sort of true, but the "unpardonable sin" is referring to the
>> only sin that is not forgiven, even if you repent and turn from it.
>
> I know. But, think of it... Most of the people that will go to hell
> it's not because they do that sin but because they do forgivable sins
> and they don't turn from.
That is wrong. Most will not go to Heaven, because they have not
accepted the LORD'S gift to send His Son to earth to die for our sins in
our place, He, the Lamb of God. If Jesus died for my sins, who am I to
try being justified by my own efforts?
LuckyLuke, do you really believe Jesus died for your sins, for all of
them?
[I do not say you could live in sin and should not change or be
changed - but that is not the point... LuckyLuke, have a look at
Calvary! It was all DONE already!]
> Anyway, i disagree with those that wants to delete the scriptures
> without proofs. If Jesus said that there is an unpardonable sin,
> things didn't change.
Amen.
> That sin still exist.
Amen.
> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
*Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
Him several times.
> That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any
> blasphemy against God can't.
> It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between him and
> God; it's not me...
Exactly.
> According to the specific scriptures, to blasphemy God means to give
> 'glory' to Satan for what God does.
Correct. *sigh of relief*
> At the same time we have false miracles and wonders that seems coming
> from God but are coming from the Devil, included healings. I saw
> people use magic to heal people and the things worked.
Correct. But most people do not really believe that the Holy Spirit is a
person who is active on earth, also (not exclusively) through His
people.
> So, Satan is promoting himself through miracles also.
Like "Peter" (Rod Eastman), Matt (Marty Colbert) or "I" (Mark Tindall),
he loves mimicry and to pretend to be someone else. He is a DECEIVER!
> But it is not
> much difficult to discern the source of a miracle. If a miracle comes
> through people that preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, then is God
> performing the miracle.
And that is why a sound doctrine is so very important.
> If the miracle comes through people that
> preach a *slightly different* gospel that doesn't lead you to
> repentance and purification,
That is wrong. It was John the Baptist who preached this (see Mark 1) -
Jesus Christ was still to come, and he said He would baptise with Spirit
and fire.
True or not?
> but instead it lets you stay comfortable
> in your sins, that is Satan performing the miracles because he wants
> you to stay in your sins and to believe you are saved while you are
> not. It is called in fact "deception".
Lucky Luke, you wrote an excellent post above, apart from the repentance
part which was incomplete as it was. We should discuss that in a
different thread later.
> At the end of the day, we should be very careful not to judge so
> easily where a miracle comes from.
The more confusing it gets, the CLEARER we have to discern, and we have
to keep the Scriptures sound, or the devil will have an easy game to
deceive the masses.
> The Jehovah's witness, for example, they say that every miracle comes
> from the devil.
But apart from that they have the same false doctrine as the KUPPS. The
are preaching works, and not grace and forgiveness. Jesus Himself made
it clear to the young rich man that keeping the commandments would not
do...
The misunderstanding might be that you think I or others would commit
sin without repentance, and that we would not underlie the law. We do.
It is like a mirror for us to see if someone is in sin. But apart from
that, we Christians have a much higher standard than the Commandments!
Jesus did not abolish the law - He fulfilled it, and sharpened it! He
said that whoever hates his brother is a murderer, or whoever just
looked at a woman lustfully was a sorcerer. Now come and tell us again
you do not sin judged on Jesus' HIGH STANDARDS???
You see, YOUR STANDARDS are not good enough for me. Mine are a little
higher than keeping the Old Testament Commandments.
Did Jesus not make this clear to you yet? I hope he will.
> This way they commit an unforgivable sin.
Yes, you are right, but it is not the only point there is.
> Sorry for them. If they are unaware of this specific sin, they may
> obtain mercy from God.
But now you are contradicting yourself again, and speaking against God's
Word... God said "no mercy", you say "mercy".
Now what is it?
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using his/her nick and e-mail.
This is a header of one of his forged posts, abusing my e-mail address
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Jesus is LORD!
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Linda Lee
wrote:
>
>
> But now you are contradicting yourself again, and speaking against God's
> Word... God said "no mercy", you say "mercy".
>
> Now what is it?
>
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
children of God.
You twist the Scriptures in efforts to claim that all except you are
condemned. You work against Christ while claiming to be his 'right
hand'. Will that cause you to be condemned?
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Will Christ say he never knew you?
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Do you see this, lying right hand of GOD? Look at the header below,
it is from the post you claim is mine: See any differences, stupid ??
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Do you see the difference now ? You stupidity and lies are testing
my patience, woman. I will NOT forgive you for these lies!
Right hand of GOD my BUTT! You are more like GODS right BUTT CHEEK
than anything else!
Burn in everlasting torment, you stupid witch!
Had to Morph as you wouldn't see this
Are you so damned ignorant that you believe I am the only
person that posts thru a free news server ?
It is my hope that GOD does not allow a narrow minded idiot
such as yourself to lead anyone to him, because by your example
you'll lead the strait to the gates of HELL!
FOOL! The posting Host number and the posting account number tell
YOU the accounts are different accounts! Do I need to hold your
hand and walk you thru it, imbecile ????
My GOD NOT have mercy on your lying heart!
Burn in Hell..
Linda Lee
l...@lycos.com> wrote:
> THIS BELOW IS A FORGERY BY RODNEY EASTMAN AKA "PETER" - I HAVE NEVER
> WRITTEN THAT.
>
> Jesus is LORD!
>
> hoeev7$c1...@news.eternal-september.org
>
> > "Peter" <john_15_10...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:hoe7hj$48u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> .Matt wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:56:26 -0400, "Amazing Grace"
>
> >>>> ".Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:rk5lq5tf41ie99urf...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:29:46 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>
> >>>>>> .Matt trdell1...@gmail.com wrote in
> >>>>>> r0jkq5p12bvr4097lm94ojqhr1sca53...@4ax.com
> >>>>>>> Posted with permission.
>
>
> >>>>> More at
>
> >>>>>http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/1John/Closi...
>
> >>>>>>> Copyright © 2003
> >>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> >>>>>> I wonder if Marty Colbert has an idea what this means...
>
> >>>>>>> I will be posting more soon
> >>>>>> Oh boy.
>
> >>>>>>> God Bless
>
> >>>>>>> Matt
>
> >>>> She must have a problem with comprehending what she reads since
> >>>> the very first line said"Posted With Permission."
> >>>> Grace
>
> >>> I missed that little deception on Vera's part
>
> >>> Yes she does not know what "Posted With Permission." means. Want to
> >>> guess what will be said next ;-)))
>
> >>> God Bless You Matt
>
> >> The ONLY reason she replied is because the article is loosening
> >> her grip on the doctrine that she claims is correct, making her a
> >> liar. Good on you Matt!
>
> >> --
>
> > Peter, I have wronged you greatly and i ask your forgiveness in
> > Jesus name,
> > please forgive us!
>
> > Vera
Should have known you'd never extend forgiveness to anyone who was
ever rude to you. How unChristian of you.
Had to Morph as you wouldn't see this
Have you Linda ? Have you truly forgiven me ?
Linda Lee
Because she thinks everyone's a demon, except her and Fred, because
people do not acknowledge her ludicrous claim that she is the right
hand of God while she lays her false claims of condemnation on
everyone.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even
so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the
world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in
the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in
tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Jn 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall
assure our hearts before him.
1Jn 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart,
and knoweth all things.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we
confidence toward God.
Linda Lee
Sure. You can't help yourself. Apparently, neither can Vera.
Peter
I can help myself Linda. I haven't had anything to do with
those posts. I morphed above as I wasn't sure that you hadn't
had me filtered.
If you still believe me to be snow, I am not. I'm Rod. I'm very
sorry for any hurt I caused you, and I DO want to be forgiven,
I really mis talking with you.
Linda Lee
You are forgiven.
Rod
Thank you, you've lifted a big burden from my shoulders
and I'll always appreciate this moment.
.Matt
This seems correct.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
".Matt" <trdel...@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:tjanq5tmqb1ne071b...@4ax.com...
[lies over lies over lies - SNIP]
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Rod
Vera...if you had a brain you could be dangerous.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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> "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hodnjs$71p$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>
>> ".Matt" <trdel...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com...
>>> Posted with permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>>
>> from.
>
Correct.
> So then why is it called unpardonable?
> I think maybe you've confused the two.
He has. He has confused a few things and was probably taught wrong
already.
God Bless You,
Jesus is LORD!
.Matt
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Linda Lee lindag...@juno.com wrote in
>c3c33970-63e8-4e4b...@l36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
>> On Mar 25, 9:08 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But now you are contradicting yourself again, and speaking against
>>> God's Word... God said "no mercy", you say "mercy".
>>>
>>> Now what is it?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
>> Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
>> Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
>> children of God.
>
>Blessed are the liars about God's Word? That would be something new to
>me...
>
>
>> You twist the Scriptures in efforts to claim that all except you are
>> condemned. You work against Christ while claiming to be his 'right
>> hand'. Will that cause you to be condemned?
>>
>> Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
>> what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
>>
>>
>> Will Christ say he never knew you?
>
>How would Linda know?
>
>> Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
>> into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
>> which is in heaven.
>> Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
>> prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
>> thy name done many wonderful works?
>> Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
>> from me, ye that work iniquity.
>
>Amen. Blasphemers of the Holy Spirit will never be accepted.
Then begone Vera Six.
>
>That is what Jesus said and John confirmed.
>
>But Linda knows better... ;-)
>
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Linda Lee lindagirl...@juno.com wrote in
> c3c33970-63e8-4e4b-8da1-5a70a1937...@l36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
>
> > On Mar 25, 9:08 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> But now you are contradicting yourself again, and speaking against
> >> God's Word... God said "no mercy", you say "mercy".
>
> >> Now what is it?
>
> > Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
> > Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
> > Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
> > children of God.
>
> me...
>
> > condemned. You work against Christ while claiming to be his 'right
> > hand'. Will that cause you to be condemned?
>
> > Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
> > what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
>
> > Will Christ say he never knew you?
>
>
> > Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
> > into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
> > which is in heaven.
> > Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
> > prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
> > thy name done many wonderful works?
> > Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
> > from me, ye that work iniquity.
>
>
>
> But Linda knows better... ;-)
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied
of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with
their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
the heart his mouth speaketh.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit
a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rod
> Linda Lee lindag...@juno.com wrote in
> c3c33970-63e8-4e4b...@l36g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> But now you are contradicting yourself again, and speaking against
>>> God's Word... God said "no mercy", you say "mercy".
>>>
>>> Now what is it?
>>>
>>
>> Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
>> Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
>> Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
>> children of God.
>
> me...
>
>
>> condemned. You work against Christ while claiming to be his 'right
>> hand'. Will that cause you to be condemned?
>>
>> Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
>> what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
>>
>>
>> Will Christ say he never knew you?
>
>
>> Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
>> into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
>> which is in heaven.
>> Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
>> prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
>> thy name done many wonderful works?
>> Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
>> from me, ye that work iniquity.
>
>
That is right. Do the foloowing words look the least bit familiar ?
"Lady, I *am* the right hand of God - His servant on earth, and there
are only few in these groups who could still be "brought to Christ" - if
that is possible at all, which I doubt."
This IS blasphemous, and then some.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
6He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you
hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me. 7Howbeit in vain do they worship me,
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8For laying aside the
commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots
and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9And he said unto
them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your
own tradition. Mar 7:6-9
Eh? And where exactly do I hold the "tradition of men"??? Nah, that was
no point for Linda.
> Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
> forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
> his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
> the heart his mouth speaketh.
TRUTH is GOOD. But Linda is not really full of it... Again, no point for
her.
> Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
> so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit
> a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Eh? I wonder if she is sane. She *is* much confused indeed.
That is the passage... just to reveal her big delusion:
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven,
having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2And he
cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen,
is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every
foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3For all
nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the
kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the
merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her
delicacies. 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of
her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye
receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and
God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded
you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which
she hath filled fill to her double. 7How much she hath glorified
herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for
she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no
sorrow. Rev 18:7
Woahhh! She thinks that is me... lol Now I am Babylon the great.
ROTFL!!!
Linda Lee
Your heart is far from God while you claim to honor him; that is the
only verse I quoted to you.
>
> > Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
> > forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
> > his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
> > the heart his mouth speaketh.
>
> TRUTH is GOOD. But Linda is not really full of it... Again, no point for
> her.
More evil speaking from vera.
>
> > Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously,
> > so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit
> > a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
>
> Eh? I wonder if she is sane. She *is* much confused indeed.
>
> That is the passage... just to reveal her big delusion:
>
> 1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven,
> having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2And he
> cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen,
> is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every
> foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3For all
> nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the
> kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the
> merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her
> delicacies. 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of
> her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye
> receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and
> God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded
> you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which
> she hath filled fill to her double. 7How much she hath glorified
> herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for
> she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no
> sorrow. Rev 18:7
>
> Woahhh! She thinks that is me... lol Now I am Babylon the great.
> ROTFL!!!
>
That you don't recognize you are part of Babylon is not really cause
for amusement. If you would recognize it, you might repent.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Oh - I thought this would fit much better to you, lady. You are the one
who had nothing but hate for the Apostle Paul and those who love him,
because they have accepted him aas their brother in Christ like the
Apostle Peter did. You will have to skip him and hate him, too, as much
as Luke.
>>> Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
>>> forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure
>>> of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the
>>> abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
>>
>> TRUTH is GOOD. But Linda is not really full of it... Again, no point
>> for her.
>
> More evil speaking from vera.
Nah - you are the one who has spoken evil of my brother Paul in Heaven -
for years. I am fed up with that, really.
Fred A Stover
> On Mar 25, 3:43pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
Which confirms she thinks she knows better and doesn't.
--
His,
More @ http://fredstover.angelfire.com/
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Fred A Stover
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
>> .Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> Posted with permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>>
>
> According to your understanding perhaps.
>
>
>> If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he
>> shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto
>> death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray
>> for it. 1 John 5:16
>
> death.
>
> Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
>
> Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are verb forms
> and which are nouns?
>
> Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
>
> That means that with regard to:
>
> sin not unto death : sin unto death
>
> We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is, we can
> not impune that one of these references is with regard to a singular
> sin while the other is with reference to all other sin.
>
> Further: That John goes on to state once again: "and there is a sin
> not unto death". Why does John feel the need to emphasize this
> through this repetition?
You had difficulty with word problems too?
Maybe if you read them together, you'll be less confused.
1 John 5:16-17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall
ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a
sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. [17] All
unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
To differentiate a sin not unto death from a sin unto death.
Richard
"LuckyLuke" wrote:
>
> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God, because
> the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
<snip>
>
> At the end of the day, we should be very careful not to judge so easily
> where a miracle comes from.
Nice post Peter.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
ROTFL!!! Well said.
> 1 John 5:16-17
> If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he
> shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto
> death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for
> it. [17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto
> death.
> To differentiate a sin not unto death from a sin unto death.
Exactly - which means there were BOTH. But what would this have to do
with the question if there was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit after Jesus
went to Heaven... John is speaking of it there. Many people seem to
think that Jesus is not there anymore, but His Spirit is on earth, and
alive. Why do they think He could not be blasphemed? They might not
really believe in His existence - although our God is One in Three
persons - or Three in One. Can they not count up to three?
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> "LuckyLuke" wrote:
> > Anyway, i disagree with those that wants to delete the scriptures
> > without proofs. If Jesus said that there is an unpardonable sin,
> > things didn't change.
> Amen.
<snip>
> > That sin still exist.
> Amen.
>
> > The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
> > because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
>
> > That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any
> > blasphemy against God can't.
> > It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between him and
> > God; it's not me...
>
> Exactly.
>
> > According to the specific scriptures, to blasphemy God means to give
> > 'glory' to Satan for what God does.
>
> Correct. *sigh of relief*
>
> > At the same time we have false miracles and wonders that seems coming
> > from God but are coming from the Devil, included healings. I saw
> > people use magic to heal people and the things worked.
>
> Correct. But most people do not really believe that the Holy Spirit is a
> person who is active on earth, also (not exclusively) through His
> people.
>
> > So, Satan is promoting himself through miracles also.
>
> Like "Peter" (Rod Eastman), Matt (Marty Colbert) or "I" (Mark Tindall),
> he loves mimicry and to pretend to be someone else. He is a DECEIVER!
<snip>
> > but instead it lets you stay comfortable
> > in your sins, that is Satan performing the miracles because he wants
> > you to stay in your sins and to believe you are saved while you are
> > not. It is called in fact "deception".
>
> Lucky Luke, you wrote an excellent post above,
>
<snip>
>
> Yes, you are right, but it is not the only point there is.
I must wonder: To whom is Vera speaking so kindly and in such accord with?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
8115ja...@mid.individual.net
> LuckyLuke fonta...@hotmail.com wrote in
> hof3k9$eu6$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
Correction:
Of course Jesus is God, but while on earth, He was fully man, too, which
was why I did not notice your point when you wrote "Jesus is not God".
Of course He is. I misread that.
Jesus is LORD!
Peter
Peter
Richard
"Fred A Stover" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> >
> > 1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto
> > death.
> >
> > Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
> >
> > Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are verb forms
> > and which are nouns?
> >
> > Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
> >
> > That means that with regard to:
> >
> > sin not unto death : sin unto death
> >
> > We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is, we can
> > not impune that one of these references is with regard to a singular
> > sin while the other is with reference to all other sin.
> >
> > Further: That John goes on to state once again: "and there is a sin
> > not unto death". Why does John feel the need to emphasize this
> > through this repetition?
>
> You had difficulty with word problems too?
<chuckle>
> Maybe if you read them together, you'll be less confused.
Ulay, ulay lo.
> 1 John 5:16-17
> If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall
> ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is
a
> sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. [17] All
> unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
>
> To differentiate a sin not unto death from a sin unto death.
So what is that difference? Can you cite some examples?
Richard
"Peter" wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> >
> > Nice post Peter.
>
> Sorry Richard, but I didn't write it.
I shall take your word for it.
"A noiseless patient Spider"
Richard
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> Fred A Stover wrote:
> > Richard wrote:
> > >
> > > sin not unto death.
> > >
> > > Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
> > >
> > > Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are
> > > verb forms and which are nouns?
Can neither of you answer a rather simple question?
> > > Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
> > >
> > > That means that with regard to:
> > >
> > > sin not unto death : sin unto death
> > >
> > > We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is,
> > > we can not impune that one of these references is with regard
> > > to a singular sin while the other is with reference to all other sin.
Come on Fred! I am openly challenging you. Will you simply lay down and
make silly little snide replies? Be a man and demonstrate you prowess in
the Scriptures.
Cite examples of sin that leads to death, and sin that does not lead to
death.
> > 1 John 5:16-17
> > If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he
> > shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto
> > death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for
> > it. [17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto
> > death.
> > To differentiate a sin not unto death from a sin unto death.
So is 'sin' unto death exclusively blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh?
> Exactly - which means there were BOTH.
That is certainly enlightening. I am sure that no one picked up on that.
> But what would this have to do with the question if
> there was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit after Jesus
> went to Heaven... John is speaking of it there.
Vera, are you directly stating that 'sin unto death' refers exclusively unto
blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh in John here? You are obviously alluding
unto it. So be specific.
Come on Fred! Are you simply going to allow your ol' cheerleader to respond
for you?
Fred, do you agree with that which Vera is alluding unto here?
> Many people seem to think that Jesus is not there
> anymore, but His Spirit is on earth, and alive. Why
> do they think He could not be blasphemed?
Vera, your continued writing here even more strongly indicates that you
believe that when John speaks of 'sin unto death' is referring exclusively
to blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh.
Fred A Stover
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
>> Fred A Stover wrote:
>>> Richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a
>>>> sin not unto death.
>>>>
>>>> Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
>>>>
>>>> Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are
>>>> verb forms and which are nouns?
>
> Can neither of you answer a rather simple question?
>
>
>>>> Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
>>>>
>>>> That means that with regard to:
>>>>
>>>> sin not unto death : sin unto death
>>>>
>>>> We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is,
>>>> we can not impune that one of these references is with regard
>>>> to a singular sin while the other is with reference to all other
>>>> sin.
>
> Come on Fred! I am openly challenging you. Will you simply lay down
> and make silly little snide replies? Be a man and demonstrate you
> prowess in the Scriptures.
ROTFL!!!!
Another scatter-brain. You're writing to Vera, Goofy.
Fortunately, I saw this and can respond.
And I already ansered your question when you wrote to me. Remember?
I noticed you still have trouble with word problems. I guess you still don't
realize
that the gender is irrelevant, for you added it to the problem. And in 1John
5:16 & 17 the above translation (KJV) acurately renders the sin verbs and
the sin nouns, which makes that irrelevant too. Have you ever considered
reading what it says?
>
> Cite examples of sin that leads to death, and sin that does not lead
> to death.
I already have, pay attention.
>>> 1 John 5:16-17
>>> If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he
>>> shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto
>>> death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray
>>> for it. [17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto
>>> death.
>>> To differentiate a sin not unto death from a sin unto death.
>
> So is 'sin' unto death exclusively blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh?
It's the sin of presumption.
>
>> Exactly - which means there were BOTH.
>
> That is certainly enlightening. I am sure that no one picked up on
> that.
>
You seem to be the only one who didn't.
>> But what would this have to do with the question if
>> there was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit after Jesus
>> went to Heaven... John is speaking of it there.
Absolutely nothing to do with the question.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is
not forgiven in this world or the world to come. And, heaven forbid, John is
not speaking of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in heaven.
> Vera, are you directly stating that 'sin unto death' refers
> exclusively unto blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh in John here? You
> are obviously alluding unto it. So be specific.
Of course That's what makes it unforgivable, if it weren't the sin unto
death it would be forgivable. When someone's sin is not forgiven, it is the
unforgivalble sin, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. If it weren't it would be
forgivable.
> Come on Fred! Are you simply going to allow your ol' cheerleader to
> respond for you?
I already answered you above. I didn't expect you to forget you're writing
to Vera again.
>> Many people seem to think that Jesus is not there
>> anymore, but His Spirit is on earth, and alive. Why
>> do they think He could not be blasphemed?
>
> Vera, your continued writing here even more strongly indicates that
> you believe that when John speaks of 'sin unto death' is referring
> exclusively to blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh.
You still haven't figured it out?
LuckyLuke
"Richard" <ev...@delete.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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It was "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com>
My email address is real.
Send me an email and i will write back to you.
Peter
Go ahead and send me an email also, and I'll do the same. With
eternal september it is a requirement that you have a legit email
address. TOS
Linda Lee
> hof3k9$eu...@news.eternal-september.org
>
>
>
> > "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> >news:011be91c-26e1-417f...@z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Mar 24, 3:02 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> ".Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel
> >>> messaggionews:r0jkq5p12bvr4097l...@4ax.com...
>
> >>>> Posted with permission.
>
> >>>> CAN THE UNPARDONABLE SIN BE COMMITTED TODAY?
>
> >>> from.
>
> >> only sin that is not forgiven, even if you repent and turn from it.
>
> > I know. But, think of it... Most of the people that will go to hell
> > it's not because they do that sin but because they do forgivable sins
> > and they don't turn from.
>
> That is wrong. Most will not go to Heaven, because they have not
> accepted the LORD'S gift to send His Son to earth to die for our sins in
> our place, He, the Lamb of God. If Jesus died for my sins, who am I to
> try being justified by my own efforts?
>
> LuckyLuke, do you really believe Jesus died for your sins, for all of
> them?
>
> [I do not say you could live in sin and should not change or be
> changed - but that is not the point... LuckyLuke, have a look at
> Calvary! It was all DONE already!]
>
> > Anyway, i disagree with those that wants to delete the scriptures
> > without proofs. If Jesus said that there is an unpardonable sin,
> > things didn't change.
>
> Amen.
>
>
> Amen.
>
> > because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan,
Excellent point, "Jesus is Lord"? You believe "Jesus is not God" is
an excellent point??? You should change your nic, as you have no such
belief. It is Christian belief that Jesus was God, God having become
man to act as our only Saviour. And you claim _I'm_ a heretic, but the
Holy Spirit speaks through YOU. Lol!
Lucky Luke is wrong and is operating on a mistake of the English
translators, as what is translated "Son of Man" in Matt. 12:32 is
translated "sons of men" in Mark 3:28, and both are relating the same
instance, although Matthew elaborates much more than Mark.
Mar 3:28-29 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto
the __sons [Gk. 5207] of men [Gk. 444],__ and blasphemies wherewith
soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the
Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal
damnation:
Mat 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the
Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a
word against the ___Son [Gk. 5207] of man [Gk. 444],___ it shall be
forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall
not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to
come.
The SAME Greek words are used, and this should have been translated
'And whosoever speaketh a word against the sons of men,___ it shall be
forgiven him' JUST LIKE the English translators translated the SAME
Greek words in Mark 3:28.
The Gospel of Mark is the primary source document for the other
gospels, the first gospel written and the basis of later gospels, Mark
being the scribe for the apostle Peter: "As early as Papias in the
early 2nd century, the text was attributed to Mark.[9], who is said to
have recorded the Apostle Peter's discourses ...scholars accept Marcan
Priority and that the Gospel of Mark was a primary source document.[38]
[39][40][41] Not only does modern critical scholarship support this
conclusion,[42] but the writings of Church Fathers do as well ...the
Gospel of Mark ...was the first gospel written and was the basis of
later gospels." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_mark
************
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath
Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables,
How can Satan cast out Satan?
...
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the
__sons of men,__ and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall
blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath
never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
***************
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow
doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
...
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself;
how shall then his kingdom stand?
...
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy
shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against ___the Son of man,___
it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy
Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in
the world to come.
************
You should read the Scriptures, other than Paul's (but even Paul
teaches Christ was God, so apparently you aren't understanding him
either):
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and
from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it
sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and
yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the
Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Christ acts only of the will of the Father because he was God:
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but
the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of
all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it
up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one
which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
> or rejecting
> Him several times.
The Scriptures do NOT say 'or rejecting Him several times'. You add
that to twist the Scriptures to support your claim anyone refuting you
is speaking against the Holy Spirit.
>
> > That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any
> > blasphemy against God can't.
> > It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between him and
> > God; it's not me...
>
> Exactly.
Wrong again. Lucky Luke is basing his conclusion on a wrong premise.
Linda Lee
Someone who agrees with her false claim that "Jesus is not God", which
she commended as an "Excellent point" in an "excellent post".
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> Richard wrote:
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
>>> Fred A Stover wrote:
>>>> Richard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a
>>>>> sin not unto death.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does John repeat: "and there is a sin not unto death"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Within John 5:16-17, which references to 'sin/sinning' are
>>>>> verb forms and which are nouns?
>>
>> Can neither of you answer a rather simple question?
>>
>>
>>>>> Of those which are nouns, they are *ALL* feminine singular.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means that with regard to:
>>>>>
>>>>> sin not unto death : sin unto death
>>>>>
>>>>> We can not treat one any differently than the other. That is,
>>>>> we can not impune that one of these references is with regard
>>>>> to a singular sin while the other is with reference to all other
>>>>> sin.
>>
>> Come on Fred! I am openly challenging you. Will you simply lay down
>> and make silly little snide replies? Be a man and demonstrate you
>> prowess in the Scriptures.
>
> ROTFL!!!!
> Another scatter-brain. You're writing to Vera, Goofy.
> Fortunately, I saw this and can respond.
I usually do not read Richard, and he is probably just provoking me.
> And I already ansered your question when you wrote to me. Remember?
> I noticed you still have trouble with word problems. I guess you
> still don't realize
> that the gender is irrelevant, for you added it to the problem. And
> in 1John 5:16 & 17 the above translation (KJV) acurately renders the
> sin verbs and the sin nouns, which makes that irrelevant too. Have
> you ever considered reading what it says?
I guess he prefers translating it to and fro, but does not dare
believing it.
>> Cite examples of sin that leads to death, and sin that does not lead
>> to death.
>
> I already have, pay attention.
I have, too. I actually started a whole thread with the topic. The best
example:
Blaspheming the Spirit is calling Jesus or His people satanic in order
to hinder the Gospel be preached or miracles be done by the Holy Spirit,
who is acting through His elected.^
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> More of Vera 666 later
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Calling a Christian things like that over six year while trying to do
the job as a Christian is blaspheming the Spirit.
Or this is even clearer:
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
Matt. <trdell1234@......gmail.com > wrote in
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> And this from a so called former Satanic Witch named Vera.
>
> I Serve Christ and have always done so. She can't say the same.
>
> Satan is Vera. Look at her words for the last few years. they are
> Satans words using scripture, twisted to satans wishes.
>
> Matt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There above he called me Satan, and not for anything I might have done
to him personally, no, but FOR MY USING SCRIPTURE. HE CALLED THEM
SATAN'S WORDS AND REJECTED THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH ME WHILE POSTING
THE SCRIPTURES.
Calling a Christian Satan while the Spirit is trying to preach the
Gospel through him or her while reaching out to the unbelievers by the
USE OF GOD'S WORD is sin onto death. Not that I was the judge. I am just
the messenger.
Just another one [dated 8th July, 2009]:
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Vera Six so called X Satanic Witch WHAT???
>
> I do not listen to Satan so please Verea Six webmaster of
> growing-deeper.de You will need to speak louder.
>
> Matt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hope that will help Richard understand.
Richard knows that I do not read him. Yet he pretends I would. But that
is a lie that can be forgiven.
>>> Many people seem to think that Jesus is not there
>>> anymore, but His Spirit is on earth, and alive. Why
>>> do they think He could not be blasphemed?
>>
>> Vera, your continued writing here even more strongly indicates that
>> you believe that when John speaks of 'sin unto death' is referring
>> exclusively to blasphemy of the Ruakh ha-Qodesh.
>
> You still haven't figured it out?
No, but he likes to translate to look more sophisticated. He probably
needs that. I do not. Stupidme is writing in a second language already.
But the Holy Spirit remains what He is, apart from any language.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> Someone who agrees with her false claim that "Jesus is not God", which
> she commended as an "Excellent point" in an "excellent post".
That is a flat out lie.
I misread LuckyLuke and corrected that, liar.
But now it is up to you to say if Jesus is Lord God, or if you just give
him some pet names, which I assume.
Peter
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Peter
::: Jesus is LORD :::
hoiajk$igo$1...@news.eternal-september.org
> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Richard" <ev...@delete.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:YuWdnQhdHvxBjjHW...@earthlink.com...
>>>
>>> "LuckyLuke" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>>>> because
>>>> the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> At the end of the day, we should be very careful not to judge so
>>>> easily where a miracle comes from.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice post Peter.
>>
>> It was "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com>
>> My email address is real.
>> Send me an email and i will write back to you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LuckyLuke cannot say he was not warned of you.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> On Mar 25, 9:08 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> LuckyLuke fontanal...@hotmail.com wrote in
>> hof3k9$eu...@news.eternal-september.org
>>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>>
>> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against
>> the *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
>> Spirit, which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan,
>
>
> Excellent point, "Jesus is Lord"? You believe "Jesus is not God" is
> an excellent point???
I have to disappoint you, but I corrected this already. I misread that
in a post that was rather long.
Now your turn (much shorter):
Is Jesus Christ the Lord God?
Linda Lee
wrote:> 56ced024-282c-4398-b543-e1806d7ca...@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
>
> > Someone who agrees with her false claim that "Jesus is not God", which
> > she commended as an "Excellent point" in an "excellent post".
>
> That is a flat out lie.
You are the liar, Vera. The link and quotes to refute your lie here is
at bottom.
>
> I misread LuckyLuke and corrected that, liar.
>
> But now it is up to you to say if Jesus is Lord God, or if you just give
> him some pet names, which I assume.
I have believed and KNOWN that Christ was God incarnate as our only
Saviour since three or four years of age. That is Christianity 101,
something you'd better investigate.
You were very plain about what you meant. Are we to assume the Holy
Spirit was speaking through you, as you falsely claim, when you agreed
with Lucky Luke that "Jesus is not God", explaining at length, "That
was why Jesus also said that any sin against the *Son of Man* can be
forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit". And you verify
your agreement again later in that post.
What a JOKE - your claim the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and you
are the right hand of God!
Lucky Luke wrote:
> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
Vera replied:
"Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against
the *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
Spirit, which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or
rejecting Him several times."
Lucky Luke continues:
> That's why any blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven while any
> blasphemy against God can't.
> It's Jesus himself to make this specific difference between
> him and God; it's not me...
Vera replies in agreement that Jesus himself makes a "specific
difference between him and God", and "That's why any blasphemy against
Jesus can be forgiven while any blasphemy against God can't":
"Exactly."
From http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/dec13831413acc3b
What a JOKE - your claim the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and you
are the right hand of God! The Holy Spirit NEVER would say what you
said here.
Linda Lee
wrote:> afda8bcf-9d13-45fa-86d4-59d1a67fc...@z3g2000yqz.googlegroups.com
>
> > On Mar 25, 9:08 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> LuckyLuke fontanal...@hotmail.com wrote in
> >> hof3k9$eu...@news.eternal-september.org
> >>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
> >>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> >> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against
> >> the *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
> >> Spirit, which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan,
>
> > Excellent point, "Jesus is Lord"? You believe "Jesus is not God" is
> > an excellent point???
>
> I have to disappoint you, but I corrected this already.
> I misread that
> in a post that was rather long.
More lies; his post was not long at all.
>
> Now your turn (much shorter):
>
> Is Jesus Christ the Lord God?
So you're STILL confused on that point. Christ was God incarnate as
the Saviour; it is YOU who denied it, explaining that one could
blaspheme Christ, but not the Holy Spirit, because of the difference
between Christ and the Holy Spirit. What a JOKE - your claim the Holy
Linda Lee
Why? Is Vera the right hand of God delivering a confusing message
while the Holy Spirit speaks through her? Or are you just wondering if
"Lucky Luke" has another previous nic?
Linda Lee
The Pharisees who opposed Christ alleging he was of Satan (thereby
blasphemed the Holy Spirit) were still around, so John could have been
saying not to pray for their particular sin in doing this. That
doesn't mean that others later, and even now, could commit that
blasphemy.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> On Mar 26, 9:32 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> Linda Lee lindagirl...@juno.com wrote in
>> 56ced024-282c-4398-b543-e1806d7ca...@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
>>
>>> Someone who agrees with her false claim that "Jesus is not God",
>>> which she commended as an "Excellent point" in an "excellent post".
>>
>> That is a flat out lie.
>
> You are the liar, Vera. The link and quotes to refute your lie here is
> at bottom.
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> LuckyLuke fonta...@hotmail.com wrote in
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>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
Correction:
Of course Jesus is God, but while on earth, He was fully man, too, which
was why I did not notice your point when you wrote "Jesus is not God".
Of course He is. I misread that.
Jesus is LORD!
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See above. I evaluate your ignorance as evilness.
> What a JOKE - your claim the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and you
> are the right hand of God! The Holy Spirit NEVER would say what you
> said here.
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> LuckyLuke fonta...@hotmail.com wrote in
> hof3k9$eu6$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
Correction:
Of course Jesus is God, but while on earth, He was fully man, too, which
was why I did not notice your point when you wrote "Jesus is not God".
Of course He is. I misread that.
Jesus is LORD!
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Now go away, you evil person.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> On Mar 26, 9:40 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> Linda Lee lindagirl...@juno.com wrote in
>> afda8bcf-9d13-45fa-86d4-59d1a67fc...@z3g2000yqz.googlegroups.com
>>
>>> On Mar 25, 9:08 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>>> <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>> LuckyLuke fontanal...@hotmail.com wrote in
>>>> hof3k9$eu...@news.eternal-september.org
>>>>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>>>>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>>
>>>> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against
>>>> the *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy
>>>> Spirit, which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan,
>>
>>> Excellent point, "Jesus is Lord"? You believe "Jesus is not God" is
>>> an excellent point???
>>
>> I have to disappoint you, but I corrected this already.
>
>> I misread that
>> in a post that was rather long.
>
> More lies; his post was not long at all.
>
>>
>> Now your turn (much shorter):
>>
>> Is Jesus Christ the Lord God?
>
> So you're STILL confused on that point. Christ was God incarnate as
> the Saviour; it is YOU who denied it,
NEVER, YOU LIAR!
> explaining that one could
> blaspheme Christ, but not the Holy Spirit, because of the difference
> between Christ and the Holy Spirit. What a JOKE - your claim the Holy
> Spirit speaks through you, and you are the right hand of God!
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>> The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a blasphemy against God,
>> because the Holy Spirit IS God, while Jesus is not God.
>
> Excellent point. That was why Jesus also said that any sin against the
> *Son of Man* can be forgiven, but not the sin against the Holy Spirit,
> which is what it says, calling the Holy Spirit of satan, or rejecting
> Him several times.
Correction: