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Eliyahu

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Jan 15, 2004, 11:25:27 AM1/15/04
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An excerpt from my Daniel 9 page, to be found here:
http:www.geocities.com/Metzad/Daniel9.htm

Who was the messiah? In order to understand this we first have to
understand what is a messiah. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word
'meshiach' which means 'anointed one' It was the custom to anoint
kings with oil before they came to power. There were already many
anointed kings in Jewish history. Read for instance I Samuel 9:27
to10:1; Here Saul is anointed by Samuel the prophet. And thereby he
became a messiah, an anointed one, See Samuel 11:13 up to 12:3: Here
in verse 3 king Saul is called G.ds anointed, in the Hebrew
'meshiach'. So also king Saul was a messiah.

Look in I Samuel 16:12-13, here the prophet Samuel anoints David, the
Hebrew verb for anointing is 'mashach', and he becomes an anointed
one, as we can read in II Samuel 23:1; "David the son of Jesse said,
and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed (in the Hebrew
'meshiach') of the G.d of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel,
said; …"

I Kings 1:39; "And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the
tabernacle, and anointed (Hebrew verb 'mashach') Solomon. And they
blew the trumpet, and all the people said; G.d save king Solomon."
Also Solomon was an anointed one, or messiah: II Chronicles 6:42, here
king Solomon prays: "O Lord turn not away the face of thine anointed,
…" In the Hebrew: 'meshiach'.

So now we know what is a messiah: An anointed king. And now we can
start to figure out who is the messiah from Daniel 9:25

For one thing; we know now who could not have been the messiah from
Daniel 9: Jesus. He never was anointed as king by a priest and/or
prophet, and he never was a king, in other words: He never was a
messiah. Therefore he is disqualified to be the messiah of Daniel 9.

Eliyahu

Stephen Cooper

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Jan 15, 2004, 11:43:20 AM1/15/04
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Eliyahu wrote:

Here are other uses of the hebrew word 'mashach'.

In Genesis 31:13 it talks about a pillar being anointed. Was the pillar
a messiah? NO!

In Exodus 28:41 it talks about how Aaron and his sons were to be
anointed to be priests. Are they messiahs? NO!

In Exodus 29:2 wafers were anointed. Are they messiahs? NO!

In Exodus 29:7 it shows that Aaron and his garments were anointed. Is
he, or his garments, messiahs? NO!

In Exodus 29:36 the altar was anointed.

There are a total of 66 times that that word is used in the tanahk. It
is not only used for anointing kings. Your interpretation is irrelevant.

randy

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Jan 15, 2004, 5:22:37 PM1/15/04
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"Eliyahu"

> So now we know what is a messiah: An anointed king. And now we can
> start to figure out who is the messiah from Daniel 9:25
>
> For one thing; we know now who could not have been the messiah from
> Daniel 9: Jesus. He never was anointed as king by a priest and/or
> prophet, and he never was a king, in other words: He never was a
> messiah. Therefore he is disqualified to be the messiah of Daniel 9.

Since Messiah is greater than any previous "messiah," his anointing is
different. Jesus was anointed by the Spirit of God, a full endorsement of
Jesus by God.
randy


Eliyahu

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Jan 15, 2004, 10:31:18 PM1/15/04
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"randy" <rklu...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<bu73rh$egv41$1...@ID-202063.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Bs'd

So you are trying to tell me that God anointed himself, and with himself???

The Christian claims keep on getting more and more weird.


Eliyahu

digimortal

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Jan 17, 2004, 7:59:42 AM1/17/04
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Isaiah 28:16
John 5:45-47


Mike Night HaShev

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Jan 17, 2004, 4:06:32 PM1/17/04
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Dan 9 is talking about anointing a holy place and AN anointed King but
not THE anointed one or THE anointed King, there is a big difference.

The time period of the seven weeks (49 year)span between the actual
destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the
decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about
by the arrival of 羨N' anointed one Cyrus was called this IN Isaiah
44-45 for regathering the Jews and rebuilding the Temple.

Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks (434 years),an annointed one will be cut
off,

leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and
destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut
off.
High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In
168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.),
ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem.
Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come".

Not very difficult to see what they are refering to unless you
constantly get misslead by deceivers and poor teachers for sake of
selling their false prophet.

http://hashev.freewebpage.org

Jan Pompe

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Jan 26, 2004, 2:25:52 PM1/26/04
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michael...@hotmail.com (Mike Night HaShev) wrote in message news:<674c2cae.0401...@posting.google.com>...

> Dan 9 is talking about anointing a holy place and AN anointed King but
> not THE anointed one or THE anointed King, there is a big difference.
>

He is named in Isaiah 45: 1.

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