Re: Infinite Universe (Nope- our universe isn't! Its unbounded, but not infinite.)
rto1
created all the time.
Each supernova that results in a black hole, is a new universe.
We, of course, are the result of a supernova in a universe that we will
never see; that we never can see.
Thanks to Hubble, the Red Shift, and measuring how much expansion there has
been of the three dimension "surface" of the expanding four dimension
sphere of our universe; the size of our unbounded, but finite universe can
be measured.
Our universe is, more or less, 7.7 X 10^76 cubic light years. (Or, more
easily remembered, the number of cubic light years could be written out.
Just write 77 7's. )
That is really BIG. (There's plenty of room for Captain Kirk and friends,
the Klingons, Darth Vader, and everyone else who has ever been imagined in
space....And who knows, maybe someday some real humans might actually make a
trip. (The nearest star is only 20 trillion miles away (more or less). We
need to work on it. Right our fastest rocket-18,000mph- would take a mere
50,000 years. That's a little too long.)
rto1 Richard
"Dante Alighieri" <Michel...@heavens.gate> wrote in message
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> On 13 Dec 2006 02:48:07 GMT, Jeff.Relf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> :-)
> :-) The origin and early development of the Universe.
> :-)
>
> No origin, no early development.
>
> The Universe:
> Before telescopes were devised, the Universe was the Earth surrounded
> by the stars visible to the naked eye. Some theorised a "Celestial
> Sphere"
> that revolved around the Earth.
> In modern astrophysics we know the Earth to be the center of the universe
> still
> but we known the Earth spins on it's axis while orbiting our sun while
> orbiting the
> center of our galaxy, etc.
> As our ability to "see" reaches further our concept of the universe
> increases in size.
>
> We define the universe to be a sphere that ends where our ability to see
> it ends
> and the Earth is at the center of that sphere. If there is intelligent
> life on a planet
> five billion light-years from us then their known universe, when their
> technology
> equaled/equals our present technology, would extend five billion
> light-years farther
> in one direction and fall five billion light-years short directly
> opposite. To them their
> planet would be at the center of the universe. We would not exist in
> their minds
> exactly as we cannot allow them to exist in our minds because if they
> exist they
> are the center of the universe which is impossible because we are at the
> center
> of the universe.
>
> We have formulas to prove the finite universe ...
> Aye, in elementary calculus we begin with the formula that proves 1 = 0,
> or 1 = 2, whichever.
> No, it is a divide by zero error exampled to show the new to The Calculus
> to avoid that error.
> The mathematical zero minus the arithmetic zero is a tiny epsilon that is
> infinitely small,
> but different from a tiny delta that is also infinitely small, but both
> delta and epsilon are larger
> than the infinitely small mathematical zero, the inverse of which is an
> infinitely large number.
> Yea, verily, the entire infinite universe is at the center of the entire
> infinite universe.
> Something the human mind cannot visualise so we devise formulae to prove
> that we are right
> because we cannot possibly be wrong. If a formula doesn't prove we are
> right then the formula
> is incorrect and we keep working on it until it is correct, i.e., until it
> proves us right because we
> cannot possibly be wrong about the finite universe.
>
>
>
>
> The Infinite Universe:
> Forever back in our man-made concept of time. No origin, no early
> development.
> Oh, it began at time T? What happened five minutes before?
> It ends at point P? What is five meters beyond point P?
> Forever back, forever forward in our man-made concept of time.
> Forever in distant in every direction.
> Yea, verily, the entire infinite universe is at the center of the entire
> infinite universe.
> Something the human mind cannot visualise.
>
> Visualise a standard four equal sided, square base pyramid representing
> the general population.
> Truncate, parallel to the base plane the uppermost 2 percent of the volume
> of that pyramid.
> That smaller pyramid represents those eligible for Mensa membership.
> Truncate that smaller pyramid at its top one molecule, perhaps.
> The larger portion of that smaller pyramid is where all strive to prove,
> "I am smarter than thou art smart".
> The proof to each is the tiniest error of each of the others to be
> ridiculed at every opportunity proving
> over and over "I am smarter than thou art smart".
>
> On the top of the smaller portion there is a small plateau that contains
> all at that level.
> No one is better than another. Yes, one is a better musician, another a
> better chemist, another is a better
> sculptor, others have various skills of varying degrees but sum total no
> one at that level is higher than
> another, all are on that flat plateau.
>
> Between the top of the larger portion of that smaller pyramid and the
> smaller portion is an infinite gap.
> To reach the top you have merely to build an infinitely long bridge over
> that infinite gap.
>
> If you succeed in building the bridge, step by step while building it you
> reach the end and step onto
> the plateau that is the top portion of that smaller pyramid.
>
> You turn around and look back from whence you came and Voila!, the gap has
> become infinitely small.
>
> Forever in our man-made concept of time backwards and forwards.
> The end is forever distant in every direction.
> Yea, verily, the entire infinite universe is at the center of the entire
> infinite universe,
> the entire infinitely large universe is infinitely small.
> Something the human mind cannot visualise.
>
>
>
>
> (c) 2006 by the author, me,
> Michael Merisi da Caravaggio, aka, Dante Alighieri, and other names.
>
> --
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>
Dante
>
>We can't see the creation of a new universe, but we know that they are being
>created all the time.
>
>Each supernova that results in a black hole, is a new universe.
>
>We, of course, are the result of a supernova in a universe that we will
>never see; that we never can see.
>
>50,000 years. That's a little too long.)
Yeh, it is theorised that each unbounded finite universe exists
adjacent to and at the same time entertwined with an infinite
number of finite but unbounded universes. Sounds kinda ...
Coupled with my time travel ability, is how I can sit beside
myself having a nice conversation with myself without
attracting adverse attention. Passers-by just think we are two
different people who might be related because of our
similarity in appearance or if I do it when I am closer in age
to myself, passers-by often stop to chat with me/us asking
me/us what it is like to be identical twins, ROTFL.
In space we can travel faster than we can in earth's atmosphere.
If we traveled the very short distance to the moon at a higher
velocity we would have to spend precious fuel to decelerate.
Part of our present deceleration is the moon's gravity as we
enter orbit around the moon with the "mother" ship and then
descend to the moon's surface in the lander.
Another consideration is that as our velocity increases, the vastness
of space including space particles is condensed.
At 18,000 mph the thousands of particles per second we encounter
bounce off the craft harmlessly. At 186,000 miles per second, that is
approx. 670 million mph, the billions of particles we encounter
might punch 0.5 inch holes in our present "spacecraft" skins.
Acceleration to one-fourth light speed might be accomplished
without burning too much fuel but with the resistance of the
"not a perfect vacuum" space "air" we travel through at
that speed we would have to expend fuel to maintain the
velocity. Then we reach our "nearest star" that we have
discovered to be two stars, in approximately sixteen years.
Allowing some time for speeding up and slowing down even for
an unmanned exploration space ship might add quite some years.
Counting time for taking close up pictures and other measurements
the round trip might be accomplished inside of 40 years.
Not too long a time. The transmitted data, if radio TX is practical,
might get back to us, at the speed of light, within 25 years or less,
the spacecraft's voyage to there plus the transmission's return..
Or we accelerate the craft to the speed of light and ...
At 18,000 mph the thousands of particles per second we encounter
bounce off the craft harmlessly. At 186,000 miles per second, that is
approx. 670 million mph, the billions of particles we encounter
might punch 0.5 inch holes in our present "spacecraft" skins.
Held together by its own gravity field, our dustball spacecraft might
slow down, due to no more propulsion system, and begin attracting
space dust into its mass until one day, billions of years from now,
it will have become a black hole that will eventually implode,
and ... become a new universe.
IF the space shuttle carried enough fuel ...
It could safely brake during descenr and land
upon the earth gently.
If the B-52 bomber had carried enough fuel it
could take off and land just like a Harrier with
redesigned propulsion similar to the Harrier's.
It'd be more like an elephant than a harrier.
Why do they allow the dangerous re-entry of
the shuttle when, with enough fuel and engines,
it could slowly, safely descend to earth?
Dante
The best thing about being a time traveller is ...
You are never late unless you want to be !