Mike Huckabee's Magical Beliefs
sdr
candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical
Christian support, bristled Tuesday when asked if
creationism should be taught in public schools.
Huckabee -- who raised his hand at a debate last
May when asked which candidates disbelieved the
theory of evolution -- asked this time why there
is such a fascination with his beliefs.
Maybe because if he believes God has told him he
should be the instrument to bring about The End of
The World ... maybe we might want to know that...?
''I believe God created the heavens and the
Earth,'' ''I wasn't there when he did it, so how
he did it, I don't know,'' Huckabee said. But he
expressed frustration that he is asked about it so
often, arguing with the questioner that it
ultimately doesn't matter what his personal views
are.
I wish somebody might ask Hucklebuck whether
he believes in Leprechauns. And if he doesn't,
could he then explain why he believes in some
supernatural creature and not in others... because
this has always baffled me: It seems to me that if I
believed in any supernatural creatures I would
believe in them all. After all, "One magical rabbit is
just as good as every other magical rabbit." And,
certainly a lot many more people have seen and
talked with leprechauns than with gods!
About the only people who still talk with God
these days are those preachers who say things
like, "Me and God were in the Jacuzzi the other
day and He said to me: 'Tell my people to give you
all their money so you can build My House... where
in I will dwell when I return to earth. And,
meanwhile, of course, you can live in there until
I return and have the use on my BMW and shit--"
Now, why anyone would stop at believing in just some
magical creatures and not in as many as are imagined
is a profound mystery to me. There are photographs
of pixies, millions have been bitten by werewolves
AND vampires, thousands of Irishmen drink with their
Leprechauns in pubs every day, so why this refusal
to go all the way, baby? Strange, very strange.
S D Rodrian
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On Dec 5, 7:57 pm, "Doorman" <astroinc_NOS...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Just the fact there are extinct animals, and that
> there are multiple variations within species, proves
> evolution is real. It may well have started by
> intervention of a force foreign to us, but plants
> and animals have evolved.
You're wasting your time: The superstitious
do not understand the difference between
"proofs" and "beliefs." Look at the following
quote:
> You appear to believe in the theory of
> evolution. How can you then not believe
> in all theories, including the theory of
> creationism?
You can say to such persons: "'Beliefs' don't
require 'proofs.'" But they will just fire back
that 'proofs' require 'belief.' And then you will
get into some innate/insane argument which
will only serve to prove that while it is possible
to argue the facts, it's pointless to argue with
persons who literally can/and sometimes do
believe anything/nothing strictly according to
their will or lack of same, or mischievousness.
Pray that we shall 'evolve' a better educational
system out of the fear to not be left (alongside
the wretched Muslims) behind by the unforgiving
advance of civilization.
S D Rodrian
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All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
Jenny Genser
> DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Republican presidential
> candidate Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist
> preacher who has surged in Iowa with evangelical
> Christian support, bristled Tuesday when asked if
> creationism should be taught in public schools.
> Huckabee -- who raised his hand at a debate last
> May when asked which candidates disbelieved the
> theory of evolution -- asked this time why there
> is such a fascination with his beliefs.
>
> Maybe because if he believes God has told him he
> should be the instrument to bring about The End of
> The World ... maybe we might want to know that...?
>
And this is connected to Toastmasters how?
Véritable Rosbif
"Jenny Genser" <jenny....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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And to AQ how?
Jim Blowers
religion in Toastmasters. Every Toastmasters club that I have gone to says
the Pledge of Allegiance, with "under God" in it, and many Toastmasters
bring up God, religion, and Jesus in their speeches, table topics, contests,
and other Toastmasters functions.
Jim Blowers, DTM
"Jenny Genser" <jenny....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I think that sdr brought this up about Huckabee because there is too much
> religion in Toastmasters. Every Toastmasters club that I have gone to says
> the Pledge of Allegiance, with "under God" in it, and many Toastmasters
> bring up God, religion, and Jesus in their speeches, table topics, contests,
> and other Toastmasters functions.
Are you saying Toastmasters don't have a right to free speech and
express their beliefs? It doesn't matter to me what they talk about. I'm
not there to judge the content of their speech, just how it is
presented.
It just so happens that I don't talk about God, religion and Jesus in my
speeches, does that make me right and them wrong, or the other way
around?
In fact, in the "Speaking to a Hostile Audience" speech, I'm going to
give a speech on converting to Atheism. That should go down a blast in
the bible belt of North Central Texas.
--
Nigel Reed ACS, CL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
District 50 Public Relations Officer http://www.toastmastersd50.org
IPAG 42 Governor (Plains Division, District 50, Region III) 2006-2007
PP - Plano Talkers Toastmasters
http://toastmasters.sysadmininc.com - Toastmasters Club Mapping Project
Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
Michael
> Jim Blowers <ji...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > I think that sdr brought this up about Huckabee because there is too much
> > religion in Toastmasters. Every Toastmasters club that I have gone to says
> > the Pledge of Allegiance, with "under God" in it, and many Toastmasters
> > bring up God, religion, and Jesus in their speeches, table topics, contests,
> > and other Toastmasters functions.
>
> Are you saying Toastmasters don't have a right to free speech and
> express their beliefs? It doesn't matter to me what they talk about. I'm
> not there to judge the content of their speech, just how it is
> presented.
>
> It just so happens that I don't talk about God, religion and Jesus in my
> speeches, does that make me right and them wrong, or the other way
> around?
>
> In fact, in the "Speaking to a Hostile Audience" speech, I'm going to
> give a speech on converting to Atheism. That should go down a blast in
> the bible belt of North Central Texas.
>
> --
> Nigel Reed ACS, CL (It's really an ATM-S in an ideal world)
> IPAG 42 Governor (Plains Division, District 50, Region III) 2006-2007
> Unofficial Area Motto: "I'm sure there's a speech in that somewhere"
Right on Nigel.
Each club gets to decide how to deal with how to conduct its meetings.
I belong to 2 clubs currently. Neither employs the pledge or an
invocation, even though we meet in a church... and many thanks to the
church's generosity.
Personally, I find the use of the pledge (and any invocation) stogy
and not inclusive. A club I used to belong to with many international
members made a conscious decision to stop using the pledge and start
using the Toastmasters Promise to begin each meeting. A nice way to
add a bit of ritual if you feel the need.
It is the rare business that would begin a meeting with the pledge or
an invocation precisely because they are NOT inclusive (and I believe
a subconscious realization that it is a stogy, old-fashioned
practice).
But to each club their own, unless they discriminate against those who
don't hold their views.
As to speakers who invoke their religious beliefs or speak on
religious topics... as is often the case... it all depends.
I have been the evaluator for a gentleman practicing to give a
technical presentation on creationism for a local church that supports
that view. I helped him give the best presentation on creationism that
he could, even though that is NOT my view.
On the other hand if someone is giving a speech before a general
audience, some christian and some not, and that speaker invokes their
religious beliefs as if they are gospel ;) , then I would point this
out as an error in my evaluation because the speaker was not sensitive
enough to his or her audience and that speakers need to understand the
audience.
So if Mr. Huckabee were speaking at my TM club and said he wanted my
vote for President because he is a "Christian Leader" I would tell
him, nicely and constructively, to just can it. ;)
Michael Erwine
EloQuents
Okemos, Michigan