Meditation to become a natural healer
Hari Har Singh
This is a meditation I teached a few days ago in my class and it is
really amazing - you should try it, it's great.
HALF STAR-OF-DAVID MEDITATION TO BECOME A NATURAL HEALER
(11min. building to 31 min with practice)
Sit in rock pose, in easy pose, or on a chair with the weight equally
distributed on both feet.
Place the hands at heart level, arms relaxed near the sides of the body.
The thumb and first two fingers of each hand are pressed against the
corrosponding thumb and fingers of the other hand with a pressure firm
enough to produce a great heat in the hands (only fingertips touch).
The thumbs are pressed straight back towards the heart.
The first two fingers point up and away from the chest at an angle of
about 60° from the floor.
the other two fingers are not touching; seperate them down and apart
from each other (fingers are spread).
With eyelids closed, look up toward the top of the skull.
Breath very slowly, very deeply, and very consciously through the nose.
Attach your favorite Mantra (for example SAT NAM or WAAHE GUROO -
imagining a loong SAAAAAT on the inhale and a looong NAAAAAAM on the
exhale etc.) to the breath.
Imagine a healing light flowing with your breath.
Continue for 11 min. MAXIMUM at the first sitting. You may add 1 min.
for every 2 or 3 days of practice up to a total of 31min.
Comments:
It is said that this meditation was given by Sarah to Hazarath abraham,
guardian of the Jews, when he went to Egypt. It is considered to make
its practitioner perfectly healthy and wise, an a very beautiful natural
healer.
The source of this meditation is the book: "Yoga for Health and Healing"
- from the Teachings of Yogi Bhajan, Ph.D.
ISBN 0-940992-01-9
For additional copys of this manual, write to:
Alice B. Clagett
P.O. Box 3142
Santa Monica, CA 90480
Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
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http://3ho.home.pages.de/
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Dave H
Hari Har Singh wrote in message <36A7A4E6...@hotmail.com>...
>Hello fellow Yogis and Yoginis!
>This is a meditation I teached a few days ago in my class and it is
>really amazing - you should try it, it's great.
>
>HALF STAR-OF-DAVID MEDITATION TO BECOME A NATURAL HEALER
>(11min. building to 31 min with practice)
>
>Sit in rock pose, in easy pose, or on a chair with the weight equally
>distributed on both feet.
>Place the hands at heart level, arms relaxed near the sides of the body.
>The thumb and first two fingers of each hand are pressed against the
>corrosponding thumb and fingers of the other hand with a pressure firm
>enough to produce a great heat in the hands (only fingertips touch).
>The thumbs are pressed straight back towards the heart.
>The first two fingers point up and away from the chest at an angle of
>about 60° from the floor.
>the other two fingers are not touching; seperate them down and apart
>from each other (fingers are spread).
>
>With eyelids closed, look up toward the top of the skull.
>Breath very slowly, very deeply, and very consciously through the nose.
>Attach your favorite Mantra (for example SAT NAM or WAAHE GUROO -
>imagining a loong SAAAAAT on the inhale and a looong NAAAAAAM on the
>exhale etc.) to the breath.
>Imagine a healing light flowing with your breath.
Half Star of David sounds like a Jewish sort of thing. Wouldn't the mantra
be
Ani Yod He Vov He? Or Atenoy Ehad. Or Elohim. Wouldn't the Quabbalists be
a little miffed to see their practice modified like this. Are there any
Rabbis or
Quabbalists in the house? I also saw a meditation that was supposed to have
been
done by early Christians, but the mantras were in Punjabi. It gets
curiousier and curiousier.
Oh, whatever.
Dave
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
> Half Star of David sounds like a Jewish sort of thing.
Very good.... :)
Yogi Ji tould that this is a technique given by Sarah to Abraham on his
way to Egypt.
> Wouldn't the mantra be Ani Yod He Vov He? Or Atenoy Ehad. Or Elohim.
If you would have read carefully you would know that whatever mantra
suits you Dave is fine.
> Wouldn't the Quabbalists be a little miffed to see their practice modified like this.
Dave, I have the impression / feeling that you are projecting your
miffedness on rabis an caballists.(?)
It's not an modification. Because you can use the Mantra that suits you.
Techniques have to suit the ppl using them - not the other way around.
If you are used to jewish Mantras - you can use them.
If you are used to christian Mantras - you can use them.
If you are used to Gurumukhi Mantras - use it.
The language u use to speak to God is not important - as long as you
speak!
> Are there any Rabbis or Quabbalists in the house?
Somewhere I have an phonenumber of an Master of the Kaballah - and guess
what, he is a Sikh!
Wisedom is in our ages fortunately not anymore only the privilege of a
small elite or ethnical group.
You Dave can f.e. practice Kundalini Yoga - that was a 25 years ago a
secret science only teached to view ppl in india. You can be from any
country and any race and study kaballah, astrology, Yoga or numerology
(that's part of the Kaballah).
Dave H
Hari Har Singh wrote in message <36B4ED28...@gmx.de>...
Hello, Hari Har
The Reht says Sikhs should not practice astrology. Also one should stick to
the Guru's
feet, and not idolize any other. There are 3HO Sikhs that touch and kiss
Yogi Ji's feet.
That goes against the reht. The visage of the Guru is what is important. A
gursikh
does not practice tratakam on anybody, but the Guru. There are 3HO Sikhs
that venerate
the protrait of Yogi Bhajan. One should not venerate gravestones
of the departed. These are things that 3HO Sikhs don't seem to know.
Numerology comes under
the heading of omens. A reht Sikh does not go by omens. Hari Har, I assume
you took Amrit.
You should know these things. Also why is it there are no Punjabi Sikhs that
go by Khalsa as a surname?
Khalsa I have read is a name bestowed upon you by someone else. It's not
self bestowed. And it is meant
for a true Gursant. That is a very high ideal. I have meant a few 3HO
Khalsa's that are the polarity of that ideal.
Then there are bad apples in every crowd, mind you. Also why are 3HO Sikhs
sometimes having Guru in their name?
There are only 11 gurus. Ten human and one is the book. It's disrespectful
for a Sikh to go by Guru in their name.
Every time I see a Punjabi Sikh come across a 3HO Sikh like that they say
Gur Whatver Singh. They kinda wince
when they say it too. Also Gurdwara is meant for many respected authorities
to speak on the Guru,
not just one man. 3HO Sikhs always have a tape of Yogi Ji speaking at
Gurdwara.
Surely the Gurus meant for Gurdwaras to be more democratic.
Wa He Guru Ji Ke Khalsa, Wa He Guru Fe Te
Dave
>
>Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
PS I hope you understand I mean no malice toward 3HO or yourself, and that I
only seek
to speak the truth on this matter.
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
> Half Star of David sounds like a Jewish sort of thing.
Very good.... :)
Yogi Ji tould that this is a technique given by Sarah to Abraham on his
way to Egypt.
> Wouldn't the mantra be Ani Yod He Vov He? Or Atenoy Ehad. Or Elohim.
If you would have read carefully you would know that whatever mantra
suits you Dave is fine.
> Wouldn't the Quabbalists be a little miffed to see their practice modified like this.
Dave, I have the impression / feeling that you are projecting your
miffedness on rabis an caballists.(?)
It's not an modification. (explenation see below...***)
You can use the Mantra that suits you.
If you are used to jewish Mantras - you can use them.
If you are used to christian Mantras - you can use them.
If you are used to Gurumukhi Mantras - use it.
The language u use to speak to God is not important - as long as you
speak!
> Are there any Rabbis or Quabbalists in the house?
Somewhere I have an phonenumber of an Master of the Kaballah - and guess
what, he is a Sikh!
Wisedom is in our ages fortunately not anymore only the privilege of a
small elite or ethnical group.
You Dave can f.e. practice Kundalini Yoga - that was a 25 years ago a
secret science only teached to view ppl in india. You can be from any
country and any race and study kaballah, astrology, Yoga or numerology
(that's part of the Kaballah).
And...***:
"Simply stated,mystical religious experience begins where dogma ends.
The mystical branches of all religious traditions emerge when one moves
beyond dogmatic identification.
Essentially, mystical experience demands a transcendence of the mind
and a pure communion with the one Source consciousness
that is the Ultimate Reality." - Master Charles
Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
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Meditation tip of the day - November 27, 1998
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And now here is my secret, a very simple secret:
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly;
what is essential is invisible to the eye.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
> Hari Har, I assume you took Amrit.
Your asumption is wrong.
I did not took Amrit - I'm not Khalsa.
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
>
> Hari Har Singh wrote in message <36B4ED28...@gmx.de>...
> >
> >
> >Dave H schrieb:
> >
> >> Half Star of David sounds like a Jewish sort of thing.
> >
> >Very good.... :)
> >Yogi Ji tould that this is a technique given by Sarah to Abraham on his
> >way to Egypt.
> >
> >> Wouldn't the mantra be Ani Yod He Vov He? Or Atenoy Ehad. Or Elohim.
> >
> >If you would have read carefully you would know that whatever mantra
> >suits you Dave is fine.
> >
> >> Wouldn't the Quabbalists be a little miffed to see their practice
> modified like this.
> >
> >Dave, I have the impression / feeling that you are projecting your
> >miffedness on rabis an caballists.(?)
> >
> >It's not an modification. Because you can use the Mantra that suits you.
> >Techniques have to suit the ppl using them - not the other way around.
> >If you are used to jewish Mantras - you can use them.
> >If you are used to christian Mantras - you can use them.
> >If you are used to Gurumukhi Mantras - use it.
> >The language u use to speak to God is not important - as long as you
> >speak!
> >
> >> Are there any Rabbis or Quabbalists in the house?
> >
> >Somewhere I have an phonenumber of an Master of the Kaballah - and guess
> >what, he is a Sikh!
> >Wisedom is in our ages fortunately not anymore only the privilege of a
> >small elite or ethnical group.
> >You Dave can f.e. practice Kundalini Yoga - that was a 25 years ago a
> >secret science only teached to view ppl in india. You can be from any
> >country and any race and study kaballah, astrology, Yoga or numerology
> >(that's part of the Kaballah).
>
> Hello, Hari Har
>
> The Reht says Sikhs should not practice astrology.
I still didn't fount this misterious Reht.
Please be so kind to quote directly out of the SGGS.
> Also one should stick to the Guru's feet, and not idolize any other.
Yogi ji is not idolized.
He is respected as a spiritual teacher - not as a Guru.
> There are 3HO Sikhs that touch and kiss Yogi Ji's feet.
I do sometimes touch and kiss my girlfriends feet. So what?
> That goes against the reht.
again, the mysterious reht...
> The visage of the Guru is what is important.
a wounderful meditation i know is the one on the picture of Guru Nanak
using the mantra "Wahe Guru Wahe Guru Wahe Guru Wahe jio"
> A gursikh does not practice tratakam on anybody, but the Guru. There are 3HO Sikhs
> that venerate the protrait of Yogi Bhajan.
Wrong.
It's not an veneration.
And this technique is not only done by Sikhs.
U can use a candle too.
> One should not venerate gravestones
> of the departed.
Whos gravestone is venerated?
Assumptions again...
> These are things that 3HO Sikhs don't seem to know.
Assumptions...
> Numerology comes under the heading of omens.
That's caballah!
Any Rabis or Caballists in the house that wants to comment on this? ;)
> A reht Sikh does not go by omens.
Fine.
> Hari Har, I assume you took Amrit.
As i said: totally wrong assumption.
> You should know these things.
I'm not half as much interested in Sikh Dharma as you seem to be!
Why should i know that??
I teach Kundalini Yoga.
I'm not a 3HO Sikh (not Khalsa).
> Also why is it there are no Punjabi Sikhs that go by Khalsa as a surname?
I know that 3HO Sikhs are different from Punjabi sikh in some ways.
Is that a problem to you?
> Khalsa I have read is a name bestowed upon you by someone else. It's not
> self bestowed.
As 3HO Sikh you'll get it by taking amrit...
> And it is meant for a true Gursant. That is a very high ideal.
Thats right...
> I have meant a few 3HO Khalsa's that are the polarity of that ideal.
I have meet a few that seem to live up to that ideal.
Wounderful people with a wounderful and warm and simple beeing.
> Then there are bad apples in every crowd, mind you.
Oh yes...
> Also why are 3HO Sikhs sometimes having Guru in their name?
Guru is the word for "wisedom". it does not mean that they are Gurus!
In spain f.e. you meet a lot taxi drivers who have the name "Jesus".
I wouldn't mind that too much....
> There are only 11 gurus. Ten human and one is the book.
Right.
> It's disrespectful for a Sikh to go by Guru in their name.
The Sikhs i meet didn't wear their name in disrespect.
Again an assumption...
> Every time I see a Punjabi Sikh come across a 3HO Sikh like that they say
> Gur Whatver Singh. They kinda wince when they say it too.
Really?
Well, i'm not a Sikh - but I would say: don't they have more important
problems??
> Also Gurdwara is meant for many respected authorities
> to speak on the Guru, not just one man. 3HO Sikhs always have a tape of Yogi Ji speaking at
> Gurdwara.
A totally wrong assumption here.
In 10 years I never heard in Gurdwaras a Yogi Bhajan tape.
Maybe thats american style?
> Surely the Gurus meant for Gurdwaras to be more democratic.
A sentence based on an wrong asumption...
>
> Wa He Guru Ji Ke Khalsa, Wa He Guru Fe Te
>
> Dave
> >Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
> PS I hope you understand I mean no malice toward 3HO or yourself, and that I
> only seek to speak the truth on this matter.
It's not easy to speak the truth as we can see above.
Especially if it's based on asumptions, hearasays and sort of fanatic
urge to defend the "true beliefe".
I don't mind somebody deciding for him- or herself to life the 3HO Sikh
way or the punjabi Sikh way(s!).
There are many paths in this religion of 12.000.000 ppl - we should
practice a little tolerance. I guess its the same as with the christian
religion: You have catholics and protestants, orthodox and baptist,
yehovas whitnesses and jesusfreaks, nons / priest and nuts /
politicans.
Everybody is leading his own life and his own spirtual path.
What I liked allways very much about my fellow 3HO Sikh friends is that
they NEVER forced me "hey, come to our Gurdwara - it will be good for
you!" - Never. They practice their religion and who wants to join it
joins it - and thats all. Very good!
Remember: The truth is never black & white.
Dave H
>>
>> Hello, Hari Har
>>
>> The Reht says Sikhs should not practice astrology.
>
>I still didn't fount this misterious Reht.
>Please be so kind to quote directly out of the SGGS.
I suggest you go to the library. I gave you a web site link for it already.
All you have
to do is click on it. Maybe the library where you live has an edition in
German.
>
>> Also one should stick to the Guru's feet, and not idolize any other.
>
>Yogi ji is not idolized.
>He is respected as a spiritual teacher - not as a Guru.
>
>> There are 3HO Sikhs that touch and kiss Yogi Ji's feet.
>
>I do sometimes touch and kiss my girlfriends feet. So what?
>
>
>> That goes against the reht.
>
>again, the mysterious reht...
Again the reht exists. You are just being willfully obtuse. Please go to the
library,
if you don't know how to click on a web link.
>
>> The visage of the Guru is what is important.
>
>a wounderful meditation i know is the one on the picture of Guru Nanak
>using the mantra "Wahe Guru Wahe Guru Wahe Guru Wahe jio"
>
>> A gursikh does not practice tratakam on anybody, but the Guru. There are
3HO Sikhs
>> that venerate the protrait of Yogi Bhajan.
>
>Wrong.
>It's not an veneration.
This is idolatry. Look it up in the Reht. Take it to the Guru.
>And this technique is not only done by Sikhs.
>U can use a candle too.
>
>> One should not venerate gravestones
>> of the departed.
>
>Whos gravestone is venerated?
>Assumptions again...
>
>> These are things that 3HO Sikhs don't seem to know.
>
>Assumptions...
>
>> Numerology comes under the heading of omens.
>
>That's caballah!
>Any Rabis or Caballists in the house that wants to comment on this? ;)
>
Real Sikhs don't practice numerology. Go to the Reht.
>> A reht Sikh does not go by omens.
>
>Fine.
>
>> Hari Har, I assume you took Amrit.
>
>As i said: totally wrong assumption.
>
>> You should know these things.
>
>I'm not half as much interested in Sikh Dharma as you seem to be!
>Why should i know that??
>I teach Kundalini Yoga.
>I'm not a 3HO Sikh (not Khalsa).
You go by a Sikh name. That's like the pope saying he's giving up
catholicism for lent.
Then why do people call you pope if you don't believe in Christianity?
>
>> Also why is it there are no Punjabi Sikhs that go by Khalsa as a surname?
>
>I know that 3HO Sikhs are different from Punjabi sikh in some ways.
>Is that a problem to you?
It indicates that 3HO Sikhs are living by some sort of manufactured
religion.
>
>> Khalsa I have read is a name bestowed upon you by someone else. It's not
>> self bestowed.
>
>As 3HO Sikh you'll get it by taking amrit...
There are Gurmmukhs and there are manmukhs. A manmukh makes a path away
from the Guru. Gurmukh makes his path toward the Guru.
>
>> And it is meant for a true Gursant. That is a very high ideal.
>
>Thats right...
>
>> I have meant a few 3HO Khalsa's that are the polarity of that ideal.
>
>I have meet a few that seem to live up to that ideal.
>Wounderful people with a wounderful and warm and simple beeing.
>
>> Then there are bad apples in every crowd, mind you.
>
>Oh yes...
This indicates the lack of discrimination in 3HO in calling any Sikh that
takes
Amrit Khalsa.
>
>> Also why are 3HO Sikhs sometimes having Guru in their name?
>
>Guru is the word for "wisedom". it does not mean that they are Gurus!
>In spain f.e. you meet a lot taxi drivers who have the name "Jesus".
>I wouldn't mind that too much....
It has always been custom to use Gur. Yogi Ji is making up his own
religion.
>
>> There are only 11 gurus. Ten human and one is the book.
>
>Right.
>
>> It's disrespectful for a Sikh to go by Guru in their name.
>
>The Sikhs i meet didn't wear their name in disrespect.
>Again an assumption...
I suggest you talk to some Punjabi Sikhs. Why does Yogi Ji go out of his
way to offend his native brothers and sisters?
>
>> Every time I see a Punjabi Sikh come across a 3HO Sikh like that they say
>> Gur Whatver Singh. They kinda wince when they say it too.
>
>Really?
>Well, i'm not a Sikh - but I would say: don't they have more important
>problems??
If you are not a Sikh, why do you go around with a Sikh name? Hari Har Singh
is your name, right?
>
>
>> Also Gurdwara is meant for many respected authorities
>> to speak on the Guru, not just one man. 3HO Sikhs always have a tape of
Yogi Ji speaking at
>> Gurdwara.
>
>A totally wrong assumption here.
>In 10 years I never heard in Gurdwaras a Yogi Bhajan tape.
>Maybe thats american style?
>
In every 3HO Gurdwara I have gone to in the States, Yogi Ji is the speaker.
Why do you go to Gurdwara, have a Sikh name, and then deny that you are not
a Sikh?
>> Surely the Gurus meant for Gurdwaras to be more democratic.
>
>A sentence based on an wrong asumption...
Go to a Punjabi Gurdwara then.
>
>>
>> Wa He Guru Ji Ke Khalsa, Wa He Guru Fe Te
>>
>> Dave
>
>
>> >Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
>
>> PS I hope you understand I mean no malice toward 3HO or yourself, and
that I
>> only seek to speak the truth on this matter.
>
>It's not easy to speak the truth as we can see above.
>Especially if it's based on asumptions, hearasays and sort of fanatic
>urge to defend the "true beliefe".
>I don't mind somebody deciding for him- or herself to life the 3HO Sikh
>way or the punjabi Sikh way(s!).
There are certain things that determine what a Sikh is. If you don't
practice these things
why call yourself a Sikh?
>There are many paths in this religion of 12.000.000 ppl - we should
>practice a little tolerance. I guess its the same as with the christian
>religion: You have catholics and protestants, orthodox and baptist,
>yehovas whitnesses and jesusfreaks, nons / priest and nuts /
>politicans.
You will never find a Christian doing a pagan ceremony for the earth spirit.
You're denying the existence of the Reht is like saying the ten commandments
don't
exist. You say you are not a Sikh, and yet you tell me to quote out of the
SGS, and you go to
Gurdwara, and have Sikh name. Do you also wear a turban?
>
>Everybody is leading his own life and his own spirtual path.
>What I liked allways very much about my fellow 3HO Sikh friends is that
>they NEVER forced me "hey, come to our Gurdwara - it will be good for
>you!" - Never. They practice their religion and who wants to join it
>joins it - and thats all. Very good!
>
>Remember: The truth is never black & white.
But why deny the existance of the Reht?
>
>
>Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
>
Wa He Guru Ji Ke Khalsa, Wa He Guru Fe Te,
Dave
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
>
> >>
> >> Hello, Hari Har
> >>
> >> The Reht says Sikhs should not practice astrology.
> >
> >I still didn't fount this misterious Reht.
> >Please be so kind to quote directly out of the SGGS.
>
> I suggest you go to the library. I gave you a web site link for it already.
> All you have
> to do is click on it. Maybe the library where you live has an edition in
> German.
Whats so difficult for you about quoting?
You was the one that is pointing towards this reht.
You should be so kind to offer your source.
I don't want to go to a library just because you are not able to share
what you allready have!
It's like me saying "its written in the bible - you can find it
there..."
>
> >
> >> Also one should stick to the Guru's feet, and not idolize any other.
> >
> >Yogi ji is not idolized.
> >He is respected as a spiritual teacher - not as a Guru.
> >
> >> There are 3HO Sikhs that touch and kiss Yogi Ji's feet.
> >
> >I do sometimes touch and kiss my girlfriends feet. So what?
> >
> >
> >> That goes against the reht.
> >
> >again, the mysterious reht...
>
> Again the reht exists. You are just being willfully obtuse.
What is obtuse?
Remember: I'm discussing with you in a to me foreign language.
Pleae be so kind and don't force me to search large websites in an
foreign language.
Otherwise I have to continue talking with you in German language.
Do you prefer that?
> You go by a Sikh name. That's like the pope saying he's giving up
> catholicism for lent.
> Then why do people call you pope if you don't believe in Christianity?
People don't call me pope and i don't claim to be one.
My spiritual name is Hari Har Singh.
That means "The flow of God" - and not pope. "Singh" means "lion" and
not "I'm a pure one" - that would be "Khalsa".
> >> Also why is it there are no Punjabi Sikhs that go by Khalsa as a surname?
> >
> >I know that 3HO Sikhs are different from Punjabi sikh in some ways.
> >Is that a problem to you?
>
> It indicates that 3HO Sikhs are living by some sort of manufactured
> religion.
Tell me why the highst Sikh authority (i guess this commitee is called
"akal thakath" - right?) gave Yogi Ji the title of an Siri Singh Sahib
if it would be the way you say?
> There are Gurmmukhs and there are manmukhs. A manmukh makes a path away
> from the Guru. Gurmukh makes his path toward the Guru.
Yes, i read that too.
>
> >
> >> And it is meant for a true Gursant. That is a very high ideal.
> >
> >Thats right...
> >
> >> I have meant a few 3HO Khalsa's that are the polarity of that ideal.
> >
> >I have meet a few that seem to live up to that ideal.
> >Wounderful people with a wounderful and warm and simple beeing.
> >
> >> Then there are bad apples in every crowd, mind you.
> >
> >Oh yes...
>
> This indicates the lack of discrimination in 3HO in calling any Sikh that
> takes
> Amrit Khalsa.
That's the way it goes in Sikh Dharma. You can find this at:
www.sikhs.org
(you are intelligent enough to find your way to the right section, hm?
;)
I think its a fruitless discussion about where you find more real Sikhs
- in the indian or the western community - in both you will find "bad
apples" - as you said, in "EVERY crowd", and not only in the western
communitys.
Thats only human.
> >> Also why are 3HO Sikhs sometimes having Guru in their name?
> >
> >Guru is the word for "wisedom". it does not mean that they are Gurus!
> >In spain f.e. you meet a lot taxi drivers who have the name "Jesus".
> >I wouldn't mind that too much....
>
> It has always been custom to use Gur. Yogi Ji is making up his own
> religion.
Oh, you have to know it...
Did he told you that?
"Hey Dave, now I'm making up my own religion!" :)
> >> There are only 11 gurus. Ten human and one is the book.
> >
> >Right.
> >
> >> It's disrespectful for a Sikh to go by Guru in their name.
> >
> >The Sikhs i meet didn't wear their name in disrespect.
> >Again an assumption...
>
> I suggest you talk to some Punjabi Sikhs. Why does Yogi Ji go out of his
> way to offend his native brothers and sisters?
Assumption...
Some indian Sikhs may be offended - many are not and join f.e. the
Baisakhi Gurdwara in LA (see the video on http://www.3ho.org/ )and other
Sikh dharma events organized by Yogi Ji and his ppl. Is a "real Sikh"
really offended by things like this? The indian Sikhs i meet didn't felt
offended by Yogi Bhajan.
To feel offended is to me not a sign of a strong personal spiritual
connection and Self-consciousness.
> >> Every time I see a Punjabi Sikh come across a 3HO Sikh like that they say
> >> Gur Whatver Singh. They kinda wince when they say it too.
> >
> >Really?
> >Well, i'm not a Sikh - but I would say: don't they have more important
> >problems??
>
> If you are not a Sikh, why do you go around with a Sikh name? Hari Har Singh
> is your name, right?
It is my spiritual name - right.
There is nothing like an spiritual initiation connected with this name.
I know many ppl who have a spiritual name that is based on Gurmukhi and
are not Sikhs.
> >> Also Gurdwara is meant for many respected authorities
> >> to speak on the Guru, not just one man. 3HO Sikhs always have a tape of
> Yogi Ji speaking at
> >> Gurdwara.
> >
> >A totally wrong assumption here.
> >In 10 years I never heard in Gurdwaras a Yogi Bhajan tape.
> >Maybe thats american style?
> >
>
> In every 3HO Gurdwara I have gone to in the States, Yogi Ji is the speaker.
Interesting. It's different here in germany.
With tapes? Otherwise he must be a wizzard to be in every Gurdwara! :)
Or did you only went to the Gurwara when he was there?
> Why do you go to Gurdwara, have a Sikh name, and then deny that you are not
> a Sikh?
You are going to Gurdwaras too - and, are you a Sikh?
I'm also going to catholic churches and wouldn't say that I'm a
"catholic christian".
I go to buddhist temples and meditate there - but I'm not a buddhist.
Does that confuse you not to be able to lable me?
Spirituality is not about lables.
And as long as I do not take amrit I wouldn't lable myself belonging to
the Sikh religion.
> >> PS I hope you understand I mean no malice toward 3HO or yourself, and
> that I
> >> only seek to speak the truth on this matter.
> >
> >It's not easy to speak the truth as we can see above.
> >Especially if it's based on asumptions, hearasays and sort of fanatic
> >urge to defend the "true beliefe".
> >I don't mind somebody deciding for him- or herself to life the 3HO Sikh
> >way or the punjabi Sikh way(s!).
>
> There are certain things that determine what a Sikh is. If you don't
> practice these things why call yourself a Sikh?
You call me a Sikh - i just would only call me a "sikh" in the meaning
of the word Sikh = seeker, but thats not connected to any religion. And
as you said: there are certain things that determine what a Sikh is.
Having a Sikh name and sometimes go to the gurdwara in my eyes is not
enough to be a "khalsa". So, I'm not a member of the Sikh Dharma.
> >There are many paths in this religion of 12.000.000 ppl - we should
> >practice a little tolerance. I guess its the same as with the christian
> >religion: You have catholics and protestants, orthodox and baptist,
> >yehovas whitnesses and jesusfreaks, nons / priest and nuts /
> >politicans.
>
> You will never find a Christian doing a pagan ceremony for the earth spirit.
I allready did found christians doing that. :)
Why not? You'll think they loose their love for Jesus just because they
may do sometimes such a ceremony?
Strange...
Last year Yogi Ji did an one week workshop in an buddhist zen-monestary
in france.
The zen-monks (dressed in black and shaved heads) joined the meditations
he teached and the monks shared their wisedom with the ppl that joind
the workshop (all dressed in white - many men with long beards) and did
with them buddhist zen meditations.
> You're denying the existence of the Reht is like saying the ten commandments
> don't exist.
Show me the Reht.
Ten commantments are short - so must be the reht.
Whats so difficult about it?
> You say you are not a Sikh, and yet you tell me to quote out of the
> SGS,
Yes, i assume that it is out of the SGGS - right?
> and you go to Gurdwara, and have Sikh name. Do you also wear a turban?
No, and i have no beard - but long hair!
You want to marry me?
:)
> >Everybody is leading his own life and his own spirtual path.
> >What I liked allways very much about my fellow 3HO Sikh friends is that
> >they NEVER forced me "hey, come to our Gurdwara - it will be good for
> >you!" - Never. They practice their religion and who wants to join it
> >joins it - and thats all. Very good!
> >
> >Remember: The truth is never black & white.
>
> But why deny the existance of the Reht?
I don't deny it - I'm sceptic about you'r definition of it.
We all know about the bible and the many different definition ppl take
out of it!
I searched my online SGGS version - you got me to do this allready,
congratulations! - for the searchphrase "astro" and didn't found any
sentence that says "astrology is forbidden".
I only know the christian community and the discussions about the bible
there.
Maybe there is such a discussion among Sikhs about the rehts and / or
SGGS too?
If there is said by some "sikhs" on a webpage f.e.: "it is forbidden for
a Sikh to do this and that" it makes me sceptic.
It sounds like a dogma.
I think you'll only have to forbade things that ppl don't understand why
not to do it.
Otherwise it would be possible to explain it to the ppl and you just
make an advice, a recomendation.
As far as i experienced Sikh Dharma there is no need for a dogma because
everything has its reason is a part of an lifestyle - much more than an
ritualized "dead" religion.
Dave H
>
>I only know the christian community and the discussions about the bible
>there.
>Maybe there is such a discussion among Sikhs about the rehts and / or
>SGGS too?
>
>If there is said by some "sikhs" on a webpage f.e.: "it is forbidden for
>a Sikh to do this and that" it makes me sceptic.
>It sounds like a dogma.
>I think you'll only have to forbade things that ppl don't understand why
>not to do it.
>Otherwise it would be possible to explain it to the ppl and you just
>make an advice, a recomendation.
>
>As far as i experienced Sikh Dharma there is no need for a dogma because
>everything has its reason is a part of an lifestyle - much more than an
>ritualized "dead" religion.
Please go to soc.religion.sikhism. You can ask about astrology there.
If I went to the library and got a book on the Reht and scanned a graphic
file forbidding astrology and so on,
and then emailed it to you, would you believe me?
Namaste(That other closing statement is real long.),
Dave
PS The reason why you have dead religions is because many times the
disciples are always changing the text around to suit
their political needs. By the way your English is pretty damn good.
Hari Har Singh
So, this is what you where talking about:
"Rahit Maryada - The Sikh Code of Conduct concieved by the Shromani
Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee."
[Source: Glossar of http://www.sikhs.org/]
So, it's not a writing directly by Guru Gobind Singh - as you said Dave
- it's BASED on the Gurus writing and is compiled by a committee.
And the Chapter of the Rahit Maryada you mentioned:
Chapter X
Living in Consonance with Guru’s Tenets
Article XVI
A Sikh’s living, earning livelihood, thinking and conduct should accord
with the Guru’s tenets. The Guru’s tenets are :
(d)
Not believing in cast or descent, untouchability, magic, spells,
incantation, omens, auspicious times, days and occasions, influence of
stars, horoscopic dispositions, shradh (ritual serving of food to
priests for the salvation of ancestors on appointed days as per the
lunar calendar), ancestor worship, khiah (ritual serving of food to
priests - Brahmins - on the lunar anniversaries of the death of an
ancestor) *, pind (offering of funeral barley cakes to the deceased’s
relatives), patal (ritual donating of food in the belief that that would
satisfy the hunger of the departed soul), diva (the ceremony of keeping
an oil lamp lit for 360 days after the death, in the belief that that
lights the path of the deceased), ritual funeral acts, hom (lighting of
ritual fire and pouring intermittently clarified butter, food grains
etc. into it for propitiating gods for the fulfillment of a purpose) jag
(religious ceremony involving presentation of oblations), tarpan
(libation), sikha-sut (keeping a tuft of hair on the head and wearing
thread), bhadan (shaving of head on the death of a parent), fasting on
new or full moon or other days, wearing of frontal marks on the
forehead, wearing of thread, wearing of a necklace of the pieces of
tulsi **stalk , veneration of any graves, of monuments erected to honour
the memory of a deceased person or of cremation sites, idolatry and such
like superstitious observances. ***
Not owning up or regarding as hallowed any place other than the Guru’s
place - such, for instance, as sacred spots or places of pilgrimage of
other faiths.
Not believing in or according any authority to Muslim seers, Brahmins
holiness, soothsayers, clairvoyants, oracles, promise of an offering on
the fulfillment of a wish, offering of sweet loaves or rice pudding at
graves on fulfillment of wishes, the Vedas, the Shastras, the Gayatri
(Hindu scriptural prayer unto the sun), the Gita, the Quran, the Bible,
etc.. However, the study of the books of other faiths for general
self-education is admissible.
[source: http://dgmc.sikhnet.org/home.htm ]
You draw now the conclusion that everybody whos not following these
rules perfectly is not a Sikh.
That's not true.
Because in the same document chapter I is:
The Definition of Sikh
Ariticle I
Any human being who faithfully believes in
One Immortal Being,
Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh,
The Guru Granth Sahib,
The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and
the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru,
and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh.
[source: http://dgmc.sikhnet.org/home.htm ]
The Rahit is based on the Gurus words in the SGGS.
It's "concieved by the Shromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee" - and
therefor, can and is be questioned and discussed. And not only by me as
I allready heard...
Again: I did not found any sentence in the SGGS that says "astrology is
forbidden" or "astrology is wrong". Of course you can draw the
conclusion because the Gurus said a lot against Astrologers of his times
and how they used astrology - but they also said a lot against Pundits,
Salesman (Guru Nanak throw them out of the temple...) - does that mean
that pundits are bad in general? Salesman and bussiness are bad in
general?
I question the Rahit here.
Or lets say: I think it's not clear enough in this point.
Because it does say that astrology is the same as "..magic, spells,
incantation, omens.." - and often it is used this way. But there is
another, scientific, astrology that's different. Maybe the ppl in the
"Shromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee" didn't knew about it or it is
that seldomly used in india that they wrote this sentece?
And if Sikhism is a living religion it should be possible to question
and discuss it's "priests" ( the: "Shromani Gurdwara Parbandhak
Committee") and their decisions. It's NOT, as you said Dave, a sign of
an living religion that you blindly follow the rules.
So, we can discuss the Rahit here - if it's really your wish to and you
not only mean "malice toward 3HO"...
Again: Please show me the the passages in the SGGS that says "astrology
is forbidden".
Thank you.
Dave H
authority in the western hemisphere for Sikhism. Wouldn't he want
to implement their guidelines as well? Why bite the hand that feeds you?
Dave H
Dave H wrote in message <79f9sj$72k$1...@camel19.mindspring.com>...
>Yogi Ji says that the SGPC gave him spiritual
>authority in the western hemisphere for Sikhism. Wouldn't he want
>to implement their guidelines as well? Why bite the hand that feeds you?
>
>
>
>
>
Committe?
I would like to ask them some questions. It sure would provide some clarity
on a number
of issues.
Hari Har Singh
Dave H schrieb:
> Why bite the hand that feeds you?
I doubt that he's feeded by a commitee...
In fact he's able to feed himself. I guess, that the only nurturing
source he relates too is the SGGS and the ten Gurus.