Please help! Kundalini syndrome?
Eternal_champion
>About a month ago however I bought a Buddhist/tantra book called 'Clear
>light of bliss' which described some powerful meditations for bringing in
>energy/winds into the channels of the body. The effects of these
>meditations on the chakra/wheels were at the time extremely pleasurable and
>I remember only doing these properly on two separate occasions. The main
>chakra I had been focusing on was the one just below the navel.
>I would be very grateful indeed if someone who has some knowledge of these
>problems could help me or even explain the problem as I have very little
>understanding of this
>Of course the main thing at this time is to get better but are these
tantric
>practices indeed dangerous and best be avoided or have I approached the
area
>with too little preparation or knowledge.
Can I suggest that you first read & put into practise the other books in the
series by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.
Only then will you have the requisit wisdom & motivation needed for this
practice.
Kind Regards,
Champion.
Jack ShitAnanda
>
> Hi !
>
>
Hi!
Avyorth Rolinson
>Can I suggest that you first read & put into practise the other books in
the
>series by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.
May I suggest that you have nothing to do with kelsang gyatso or the new
kadampa tradition that he set up on the back of Lama Yeshe's work. I was
involved with the nkt from 1992-1996, living at both Tara and Manjushri nkt
Centres, studying on their Teachers Training Programme, setting up a nkt
group in Manchester, teaching at several nkt groups, etc, etc.
The nkt fosters a cultic (I use that in the pejorative sense) mentality;
they have encouraged their students to abuse the UK social security and
housing benefit systems; kelsang gyatso's Heart Disciple Thubten Gyatso has
apparently been involved in a string of unethical sexual activity with young
nuns; and so on and on.
One of the things that struck me when I was a TTP student at Manjushri nkt
Centre studying kelsang gyatso's 'Guide to Dakiniland' was the lack of
understanding and experience even senior students had. The class was lead by
Samten Kelsang (senior teacher there under kelsang gyatso). Again and again
my questions were met with 'I don't know' from both Samten and the others. A
favourite response became 'If geshe-la had wanted us to know this he'd have
put it in the book' - and as the nkt see kelsang gyatso as the Third Buddha
of this Age, how can you challenge that as an answer - and remain in TTP or
the nkt? Surprise, surprise! I am no longer in either!
During my involvement with the nkt I saw many people pushed into taking
Highest Yoga Tantra empowerments that they understood nothing about. The nkt
moto is that it will create positive imprints for the future! But I draw
your attention to another thread in alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan wherein
Chris J Fynn wrote in message <364ba586...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>
>The samaya pledges in the vajrayana are pretty absolute - this is why
>it is so important that a student should be 100% sure of a teacher
>before making these solom comitment.s
>
>In America, Chogyam Trungpa wisely made his students do several years
>of sitting practice and have a good understanding of his teachings
>before he even gave them refuge vows - let alone vajrayana
>empowerments and samaya. This gave time for a students first flush of
>enthusiasim to cool down - and plenty time for them to find something
>out about the teacher.
>
In their desperation to hook-in devotees for kelsang gyatso the nkt abuse
this principle again and again. Bums on seats (paying their fees) are all
the nkt are concerned about.
I wish you all the best in addressing your kundalini difficulties (by the
way, Lama Yeshe freely uses the term 'kundalini' in his 'The Bliss of Inner
Fire' - publ Wisdom Publications 1998 - check it out. I thoroughly enjoyed
it). You may find the Hollow (or Empty) Body meditation helps balance your
energies (or check out a qualified acupuncturist).
After I left the nkt, I found the writings of Ken Wilber of very great help
in addressing many unresolved questions that I had. You could try his 'A
Brief History of Everything'.
Yours in the Dh (ark)
Avyorth
Eternal_champion
Avyorth Rolinson wrote in message <72hf5b$hj1$2...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
>Eternal_champion wrote in message <72ejp1$fp2$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>...
>>Can I suggest that you first read & put into practise the other books in
>the
>>series by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.
Pleased to make your aquaintence, Avyorth.
>May I suggest that you have nothing to do with kelsang gyatso or the new
>kadampa tradition that he set up on the back of Lama Yeshe's work. I was
>involved with the nkt from 1992-1996, living at both Tara and Manjushri nkt
>Centres, studying on their Teachers Training Programme, setting up a nkt
>group in Manchester, teaching at several nkt groups, etc, etc.
As a matter of fact, I do have experiences in the same timescope,92 Thru 96
,if not as involved, but similar in many ways to yourself....
>The nkt fosters a cultic (I use that in the pejorative sense) mentality;
>they have encouraged their students to abuse the UK social security and
>housing benefit systems; kelsang gyatso's Heart Disciple Thubten Gyatso has
>apparently been involved in a string of unethical sexual activity with
young
>nuns; and so on and on.
Hmmm, yeah, I 'm sure our readers have heard it all before.....
Isn't that a rather negative POV ? <g>
If you are making allegations, you can't just say 'and so on and on'
without being specific.
can you?
These people { NKT } are just that, people .
surely you are aware by now of how people in positions of authority act...
>
>One of the things that struck me when I was a TTP student at Manjushri nkt
>Centre studying kelsang gyatso's 'Guide to Dakiniland' was the lack of
>understanding and experience even senior students had. The class was lead
by
>Samten Kelsang (senior teacher there under kelsang gyatso). Again and again
>my questions were met with 'I don't know' from both Samten and the others.
A
>favourite response became 'If geshe-la had wanted us to know this he'd have
>put it in the book' - and as the nkt see kelsang gyatso as the Third Buddha
>of this Age, how can you challenge that as an answer - and remain in TTP or
>the nkt? Surprise, surprise! I am no longer in either!
I refer you to my previous answer.
I am not 'in the NKT' , though nothing you have mentioned lessens my respect
/ connection
with Geshe Kelsang as a spiritual guide.
>During my involvement with the nkt I saw many people pushed into taking
>Highest Yoga Tantra empowerments that they understood nothing about.
Pushed into ? I think you exaggerate.
Surely only people with a genuine interest bother to turn up....
>The nkt
>moto is that it will create positive imprints for the future!
Yep.
But I draw
>your attention to another thread in alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan wherein
>Chris J Fynn wrote in message <364ba586...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
>>
>>The samaya pledges in the vajrayana are pretty absolute - this is why
>>it is so important that a student should be 100% sure of a teacher
>>before making these solom comitment.s
>>
>>In America, Chogyam Trungpa wisely made his students do several years
>>of sitting practice and have a good understanding of his teachings
>>before he even gave them refuge vows - let alone vajrayana
>>empowerments and samaya. This gave time for a students first flush of
>>enthusiasim to cool down - and plenty time for them to find something
>>out about the teacher.
>In their desperation to hook-in devotees for kelsang gyatso the nkt abuse
>this principle again and again. Bums on seats (paying their fees) are all
>the nkt are concerned about.
If you insist.
How comes it took you four years to realise all this?
>I wish you all the best in addressing your kundalini difficulties (by the
>way, Lama Yeshe freely uses the term 'kundalini' in his 'The Bliss of Inner
>Fire' - publ Wisdom Publications 1998 - check it out.
I don't have any Kundalini difficulties myself..
But thanks for the tip!
>After I left the nkt, I found the writings of Ken Wilber of very great help
>in addressing many unresolved questions that I had. You could try his 'A
>Brief History of Everything'.
I shall lookout for his writing, what section would it be under?
May You be Happy !
Champion.
Avyorth Rolinson
Eternal_champion wrote in message <72hlv7$ejr$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>...
>As a matter of fact, I do have experiences in the same timescope,92 Thru 96
>,if not as involved, but similar in many ways to yourself....
>
>without being specific.
>can you?
>
I think that it might make any attempt at discussion just a little easier if
you'd state a little more about your involvement with the nkt. Perhaps you'd
give your name, rather than nom de plume, and the nkt centre that you were
involved with? Were you a TTP, FP or GP student? Did you attend any of the
Summer Festivals during this period - I was involved with the registration
of attendees, security, etc during several festivals and may well have met
you.
Concerning my 'allegations' I can only assume that you are not an
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan subscriber otherwise you'd not have to ask me
for specifics. As anyone who is a regular subscriber will tell you, I've
posted numerous specific 'allegations' including names, dates, and even a
sound file. Get on your champion surfboard and scoot over to DejaNews - do a
search on Avy...@btinternet.com. You'll find all the details and more
there.
>These people { NKT } are just that, people .
>surely you are aware by now of how people in positions of authority act...
>
Personally I don't know 'how people in positions of authority act' - aren't
we all 'in positions of authority'?
>>During my involvement with the nkt I saw many people pushed into taking
>>Highest Yoga Tantra empowerments that they understood nothing about.
>
>Pushed into ? I think you exaggerate.
>Surely only people with a genuine interest bother to turn up....
>
No I don't exaggerate. I personally saw nkt teachers berated by the
Educational Programme Co-ordinator at a nkt centre for not getting enough of
their 'student's' at GP classes signed up for empowerments. They were told
to get out there and get people to the empowerments. I've also talked to
people at Heruka-Vajrayogini empowerments at the summer festivals who'd no
idea what they were getting into. They been 'encouraged' to come to the
festival by they're nkt teacher and now found that they had a tantric
commitment to deal with.
>If you insist.
>How comes it took you four years to realise all this?
>
Maybe before I disclose anymore about myself, you'd be so kind as to come
forth from your annonymity and tell me just a little about yourself?
>I don't have any Kundalini difficulties myself..
>
>But thanks for the tip!
>
>
The 'tip' was not addressed to yourself (though you are welcome to it) - my
post was addressed to the person with the Kundalini difficulties.
>
>>After I left the nkt, I found the writings of Ken Wilber of very great
help
>>in addressing many unresolved questions that I had. You could try his 'A
>>Brief History of Everything'.
>
>I shall lookout for his writing, what section would it be under?
>
I've seen Wilber's writings under so many sections in bookshops -
philosophy, psychology, new age, science - best ask in the bookshop. A Brief
History of Everything is available in paperback by Gill and MacMillan (in
the UK) - as you are into tantra, you may find his 'The Eye of Spirit'
enlightening! Let me know what you think of them, if you will.
timmi
>Maybe before I disclose anymore about myself, you'd be so kind as to come
>forth from your annonymity and tell me just a little about yourself?
You have already decoded my identity.
I'm just this guy y'know.
FP back when they would accept me, gp on occasion, three summer festies.
Plenty of red string.
>Concerning my 'allegations' I can only assume that you are not an
>alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan subscriber otherwise you'd not have to ask me
>for specifics. As anyone who is a regular subscriber will tell you, I've
>posted numerous specific 'allegations' including names, dates, and even a
>sound file. Get on your champion surfboard and scoot over to DejaNews - do
a
>search on Avy...@btinternet.com. You'll find all the details and more
>there.
No Doubt.
I just got here, please don't treat me rough.
I'm merely stating that my impressions are that books such as Joyful path of
Good fortune,
Understanding the Mind, Meaningful to Behold, etc. provide an excellent
background for the
reader of such books as Clear Light of Bliss.
Love timmi
Avyorth Rolinson
>
>>Maybe before I disclose anymore about myself, you'd be so kind as to come
>>forth from your annonymity and tell me just a little about yourself?
>
>You have already decoded my identity.
>
>I'm just this guy y'know.
>FP back when they would accept me, gp on occasion, three summer festies.
>Plenty of red string.
>
Haven't quite decoded you yet other than your first name and that you're
into motorbikes! What nkt Centre are/were you connected to? Who is/was your
nkt teacher? I suspect we must have crossed paths on at least one summer
festival. And what did you get up to that raises the issue of 'when they
would accept me'?
>
>No Doubt.
>I just got here, please don't treat me rough.
>
Heh! You haven't been listenning to all those nkt rumours about me, have
you? I'm really just a big teddy bear.
>I'm merely stating that my impressions are that books such as Joyful path
of
>Good fortune,
>Understanding the Mind, Meaningful to Behold, etc. provide an excellent
>background for the
>reader of such books as Clear Light of Bliss.
>
Joyful Piece of Pure Fluff sucks, in my humble opinion - you'd be better
reading the Jehovah Wittnesses 'Watch Tower'; Understanding the Mind has
some excellent sections; Meaningful to Behold is really ropey in places -
much of chp 9 is pure political polemics. And Clear Light of Bliss is most
excellent in places - pity the nkt don't get someone who doesn't have his
head stuck up kg's rectum to edit the book, it could be pure dynamite!
Yours in the Dh (ark)
>Love timmi
>
>
Eternal_champion
Avyorth,
>Haven't quite decoded you yet other than your first name and that you're
>into motorbikes!
Yeppers !
First name is ample for these purposes I think.
>What nkt Centre are/were you connected to?
Shantideva Ctr. & Madhyamaka hanger~outer
>Who is/was your nkt teacher?
Kadam Morten Clausen. One of your favourites ? no ?
>And what did you get up to that raises the issue of 'when they
>would accept me'?
I was correctly identified as a drug addled waster <vbg>
by Shantideva cntrs { at that time }
C in C, Marilyn.
>Heh! You haven't been listenning to all those nkt rumours about me, have
>you? I'm really just a big teddy bear.
Nah, I'm no longer 'affiliated'
sorry to dissappoint <wink>
>Meaningful to Behold is really ropey in places -
>much of chp 9 is pure political polemics.
I would have thought that would be right up your street then.
I spent some time trawling through your various postings as you suggested,
Some entertaining reading in there for sure !
I'm glad to see you are also a big Neil Elliott fan,
you wrote:
>Critical though I may be of much of these organisations' bases, I must say
>that the grounding I received in basic buddhism, especially from the NKT,
>was excellant. I especially remember Foundation Programme classes at Tara
>Centre lead by (the then) Gen Thubten Gyatso, Heart Disciple of Geshe
>Kelsang. We would all come out of the gompa after the daily 2 hour session
>flying. The teachings he gave in Dorset (a week of Amitayus HYT
empowerment,
>commentary, etc) on the union of Sutra and Tantra were IMO unsurpassed -
Yeah, I remember that gig...
Respect is most definately due.
He da man.
Take it easy.
Love, timmi
Avyorth Rolinson
news:72poor$ma2
>
>Kadam Morten Clausen. One of your favourites ? no ?
>
What's with this nkt 'Kadam' title stuff - it's just like soap powder
advertising 'new improved', meaningless - meant to impress the
impressionable. The nkt hand such titles out to all their teachers like
sweeties/candy.
Yeh, Morten was ok, bit too much 'inner circle chic' for my personal taste.
>>And what did you get up to that raises the issue of 'when they
>>would accept me'?
>
>I was correctly identified as a drug addled waster <vbg>
>by Shantideva cntrs { at that time }
>C in C, Marilyn.
>
Windsor, eh? I presume you'd know Cindi? Can't say I remember Marilyn.
>
>>Meaningful to Behold is really ropey in places -
>>much of chp 9 is pure political polemics.
>
>I would have thought that would be right up your street then.
Ouch! Where did you get such an idea from?
>I spent some time trawling through your various postings as you suggested,
>Some entertaining reading in there for sure !
>
>I'm glad to see you are also a big Neil Elliott fan,
>
>>The teachings he gave in Dorset (a week of Amitayus HYT
>empowerment,
>>commentary, etc) on the union of Sutra and Tantra were IMO unsurpassed -
>
>Yeah, I remember that gig...
>Respect is most definately due.
>He da man.
>
Yeh, it was only after I'd left Manjushri nkt Centre that I realised that
Neil aka Thubten Gyatso had been my Teacher, not kelsang gyatso. I never
really liked kelsang gyatso; I always had the feeling that he was
untrustworthy, that he had a hidden agenda; that he was a slippery character
indeed.
I first received the Heruka-Vajrayogini empowerment from Neil in Spain -
absolutely blissful - but when I then received it from kelsang gyatso at a
later Summer Festival I found it so flat, boring and meaningless (at the
time I did feel a bit of guilt - the bloke after all was supposed to be my
Spiritual Guide).
Those teachings on the union of sutra and tantra that Neil gave in Dorset
were truly wonderful. When I'd heard that gyatso had ordered the tapes
destroyed, I was gutted.
I really hope that Neil gets his act together and finds a new context
(definitely not nkt!) in which to teach Dharma, he has so much to offer.
Eternal_champion
Avyorth
Avyorth Rolinson wrote in message <72uem1$k69$4...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
>What's with this nkt 'Kadam' title stuff - it's just like soap powder
>advertising 'new improved', meaningless - meant to impress the
>impressionable. The nkt hand such titles out to all their teachers like
>sweeties/candy.
Yep. classic isn't it.
>Windsor, eh? I presume you'd know Cindi? Can't say I remember Marilyn.
yep, but we're talking several years ago now.
do you remember Linda Ciardiello?{went on the spanish expedition.}
>Ouch! Where did you get such an idea from?
Well, you seem somewhat polemic , even for an ex- nkt dharma teacher....
>
>I first received the Heruka-Vajrayogini empowerment from Neil in Spain -
>absolutely blissful - but when I then received it from kelsang gyatso at a
>later Summer Festival I found it so flat, boring and meaningless (at the
>time I did feel a bit of guilt - the bloke after all was supposed to be my
>Spiritual Guide).
Hmmm.
Sorta know what you mean there, Neil's got all the one liners, and is so
easy to relate to,
where GKG kinda struggles along at times.
Not his fault, surely, being tibetan and that.
GKG has his moments.
>Those teachings on the union of sutra and tantra that Neil gave in Dorset
>were truly wonderful.
Yep. for me at least,
He WAS Buddha Amitayus .
>When I'd heard that gyatso had ordered the tapes
>destroyed, I was gutted.
Not that impressed meself.
>I really hope that Neil gets his act together and finds a new context
>(definitely not nkt!) in which to teach Dharma, he has so much to offer.
For sure.
Neil?
You out there?
Kind Regards,
Timmi.