Deepak Chopra & TM
dp
versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
Also can someone relate the history of Deepak breaking with MMY & TM??
sincerely
DP
dp
dp
"dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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dp
<steve_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Hello "dp"
> Namaste
> Sincerely, deepest respects
>
> Most politely you say...."
>
> > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
> >meditation versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
>
> niether works *At All*....
>
> You think you are going to immortal? Live forever? I believe a man
> with *significantly more money* fantasized about the same thing. And
> just died in Feb. 2000 (D. Henning)
Just because he DIED doesn't mean the meditation was false......eternality
is not of "The Body " anyway.
.Deepackage is on the "pro tm-ers" shit list here at a.m.t. As he
> was "endoresed" by Basudevananda (a fake Jagadguru Shankarachrya, of
> Jyosimutt).
***You mean Jotir Math.......and how was he a fake? Did you learn this info
1st hand or are you just believing someone else's word?
And "yogi" is living on the run in Holland.. slowly losing what *Few
> Marbles he Has Left*....
***Hasn't Maharishi lived in Holland for years and years...who is he running
from?. YOU!
>
read "Hit Them Hard" (yea, rrright, wes goin sues da gubermint fo nots
> providin da "nachoRu al" law)
*** You sound bitter, yours certainly not seem like a objective
opinion..sorry!
>
> Best Regards
> Steve Perino
>
> PS: ifins ya git it outs wit da basti, calls da "Roto-rooter"
***Real cute...
>
>
>
> In article <Em3C5.862$ir6.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
> meditation
> > versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
> > Also can someone relate the history of Deepak breaking with MMY & TM??
> >
> > sincerely
> >
> > DP
> >
> >
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
dp
are you saying that Maharishi FIRED deepakji...speak plain english man, I am
not privy to your lingo dude! I have been around many yogis sahhus and fake
bullshiters also...cut with the sideshow and give me the real shit!
dp
"willytex" <will...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: Deepak Chopra
> Subject: The report of a true bhogi fakir.
> Date: 10/02/2000
> Author: Willytex
> > DP wrote
> > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras
> > primordial sound meditation versus TM? Is it the
> > same or modified somewhat? Also, can someone relate
> > the history of Deepak breaking with MMY & TM?
> >
> Dear DP - The Depakage was to be the next Rishi because he had met the
> Real Rishi and wrote a book, and had learned from the Real Rishi and
> the Real Rishi liked the Deepak even though the Deepak never completed
> a real TTC, but because he was a wannabe Real Rishi, the Real Rishi
> thought the Deepak might deserve some more recognition, so the Real
> Rishi gave to the Deepak the job of reviving the Ayerved, which the
> Deepak started to do, but the Deepak went to far and started blabbing
> all over the place about this and that new technique, and getting into
> trouble with journalistic authorities and so the Real Rishi fired the
> Deepak. Now the Deepak is the Depakage.
>
> The Tejas Walla knows all about the Depakage and the primordial sound,
> the surat shabd sound, the mantra sound, the Augie Meyer Sound, and the
> sound of sounds. The Tejas Walla has been exposed to many different
> kinds of sounds over a period of many years. Some effective, some not,
> and the Tejas Walla has adopted some of the sounds into his own
> sadhana. In his exhuberant youth he was somewhat of an extremist
> hankering after sounds of all kinds and he loved the stink of Zen and
> Yoga. He wanted to leave not one sound unheard in his search for the
> Sound Way.
>
> At one point, the Tejas Walla got very upset because all the egomaniacs
> he came into contact with thought they knew more sounds than the Tejas
> Walla himself. Tejas Walla got into a fight with a well-known Vajra
> Master in Middleton, because the Vajra Master was obviously trying to
> steal some of the cute cuddly chicks with the horn rimmed glasses from
> the Tejas Walla commune. The Vajra Master was jealous because the Tejas
> Walla had the largest hippie ashram in the world. The insidious Vajra
> Master succeeded in ensnaring one of the favorite wives of the Tejas
> Walla, one called Lokati, with promises of instant tantric sound
> ecstasy.
>
> This hurt the ego of the Tejas Walla, so the Tejas Walla vowed then and
> there to become an egomaniac himself, and to know MORE SOUNDS THAN ANY
> OTHER MAN ALIVE and more about the med sets and the yogas and the
> mudras and the mantras and the metaphysics. The Tejas Walla wanted to
> ensure that no locked-leg, shaven-headed, mumble-jumble spouting know-
> it-all, tow-in-ear bugger with a stick would ever get away with that
> kind of bhoginess with him again. To this end, it has been the main
> goal of the Tejas Walla to get more sounds to write many tomes, and to
> return someday to that dumpy little so-called 'dojo in a gulch barn,'
> and to tell that short-fat, cigar smokin', punk burnin', dakini-
> stealing, big-shot Mahabodhi wannabe sitting on a roshi high chair a
> sound or two.
>
> The Tejas Walla would walk right up to that overrated intellectual
> giant, look him right in his blood-shot third eye and SHOOT HIM THE
> BIRD IN TWENTY_SEVEN SEPERATE LANGUAGES! But see 'Crazy Wisdom,' a book
> by Georg Fuerstein, which includes a full report concerning the strange
> case of Master Adi Da Samraj, a true bhogi fakir TRICKSTER if there
> ever was one! DP, be warned!
>
> Well, the Tejas Walla got over the loss of his favorite dakini to a
> cult, and now the Tejas Walla has Rita who plays spunds on a mean Vina,
> and knows the Sound Way. And what is the Sound Way? The Sound Way is
> the avoidance of extreme sounds. How to avoid extreme sounds? Do not
> extremely avoid sounds! Just so.
>
> All this tells you but little about the Depakage, the Maharishi,
> meditation and meditation sets. And why? Because the Sound Way cannot
> be learned from surfing the Internet, nor by reading many books, nor by
> adopting a particular uniform, nor by telling tall tales, nor by doing
> a particular song and dance or by wandering the face of this earth in
> search of meetings with remarkable men and women. Tejas Walla
> say "There are many sounds from the other shore. When you arrive at the
> other shore, you find no sounds, and no other shore, and no Sound Way."
>
> - The Tejas Walla
>
> Reference:
>
> 'Crazy Wisdom'
> by Georg Fuerstein
>
> 'The Strange Case of Adi Da'
> The Ken Wilber Forum
>
> 'Spiritual Choices'
> by Ken Wilber
dp
I don't mean to sound disrespectful, I just couldn't tell exactly which side
of the fence you were on with your abstract posting! Do you support the
MMY..please tell me more about the primordial sound meditation, did deepak
invent it, did he want to upsurp the MMY?? continue!
sincerely,
dp
I am not looking to go backwards I am just looking for a simple meditation
technique. There are many of course I have practiced a bunch.
I will read your links I am all for truth, but I am also objective.
So you are saying that the disciplic succession from Brahmanand Svami does
not descend into the present day TM movement? Many other spiritual groups
have had similar experiences of finding out that they were a part of a
watered down, made for westerners version of a more orthodox Indian
tradition. I am open to hearing your side, I am not a party man by any
means!
So you are saying that that TM technique was just made up by the Maharishi?
And that his teacher never practiced such a thing? What DID he practice? Did
he meditate on Mahavakya? Did he do any type of Meditation?
YS,
dp
<steve_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Hello "dp"
> Namaste
> Sincerely, deepest respects
>
> Most politely, you ask..."
>
> > ***You mean Jotir Math.......and how was he a fake? Did you learn
> >this info 1st hand or are you just believing someone else's word?
>
> Just Read Here...
> >> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
> >> <snip> "Swami Brahmananda Saraswati passed away in 1953, but he had
> >> not clearly indicated his successor.."
>
> >> <snip> However, Santananda's reputation definitely took a blow,
> >> although the major complaint against him was simply that he was nfit
> >> for the post of Sankaracharya, because he did not measure up to the
> >> qualifications described in the Mahanusasana texts. [2]
>
> >> <snip> "In 1953 itself, one Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed
> >> as the new Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, contesting Santananda's claim.
>
> >> <snip> "However, in 1979, when a conference of the Sankaracharyas of
> >> the four Amnaya mathas was held at Sringeri, Santananda and
> >> Vishnudevananda were not invited. It was Swarupananda Saraswati who
> >> represented Jyotirmath
>
> >> The True Authentic Succession at Jyosimutt (Jyotirmath)
> >> H.D. Shree Swami Brahmananda Saraswatiji Maharaj 1941-1953
> >> H.D. Shree Swami Krishnabodha Asrama 1953-1973
> >> H.H. Shree Swami Swaroopananda Saraswatji 1973-present
>
> Also most kindly you say..."
> > *** You sound bitter, yours certainly not seem like a objective
> > opinion..sorry!
>
> No, not bitter, but bittersweet... Here You Can Read The Facts for
> your self...
>
> >>Temple/Ashram of H.D. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, no mention of 'tm'
> >>being practiced...
> >> http://www.indiantemples.com/Himalaya/joshi_mutt.htm
>
> >> The Spiritual Organization that is charged with maintaining the
> >> Spiritual Practices and Welfare of the
> >> Temples/Ashrams at Badrinath and Kedarnath and Jyotirmath..
>
> >> http://www.badrinath-kedarnath.org/bpuja.htm
> >> As per the established Hindu rituals the pujas have to be conducted
> >> without a break.."
>
> No mention of 'tm' being practiced.. What About This...
>
> >> The Supreme Authentic Teachings of Shree Adi Shankara can be found
> >> here....http://www.kamakoti.org/other/bhaja/bhaja.html
> >> <snip>Shri Shankara composed a number of hymns to foster the sense
> >> of devotion in the hearts of men and this is His
> >> greatest service.
>
> So Please tell us why you want to re-walk the "real estate', you once
> walked so many years ago?
> And left to find something better, only to return, going circles?
>
> Best Regards
> Steve Perino
> > >
> > > > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
> > > "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > > > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
> > > meditation
> > > > versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
> > > > Also can someone relate the history of Deepak breaking with MMY &
> TM??
> > > >
> > > > sincerely
> > > >
> > > > DP
Stu
dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/2/00 9:07 PM:
> Steve.....
> I am not looking to go backwards I am just looking for a simple meditation
> technique. There are many of course I have practiced a bunch.
> I will read your links I am all for truth, but I am also objective.
> So you are saying that the disciplic succession from Brahmanand Svami does
> not descend into the present day TM movement? Many other spiritual groups
> have had similar experiences of finding out that they were a part of a
> watered down, made for westerners version of a more orthodox Indian
> tradition. I am open to hearing your side, I am not a party man by any
> means!
> So you are saying that that TM technique was just made up by the Maharishi?
There are those on this NG that contend that. It is worth going back and
reading the last few months of discussion here. Does it really matter
whether he made up TM as long as it works?
Perhaps he just figured a way to market a fairly esoteric vedic practice to
the West.
Also be careful where you tread here. Many contend that the Maharishi is
not a Marharishi, this is only a title he gave himself, along with the
"Yogi" part. Apparently Mahesh really was his name. Something like Mahesh
Goldfarb until he changed it into the whole "His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi" thing.
Perhaps go to trancenet.org for an interesting take. But watch out -
everybody around here has their agendas. Many who got involved in the
organization in the 70's got burned and have dedicated their life to revenge
of this peaceful meditation technique.
> And that his teacher never practiced such a thing? What DID he practice? Did
> he meditate on Mahavakya? Did he do any type of Meditation?
>
I think they all practiced Yoga from what I can fathom.
--
~Stu
dp
*** Very interesting I read through this kinda fast need to go over again,
what does Swaroopananda teach, does he give deeksha for lay-disciples?
>
> Also most kindly you say..."
> > *** You sound bitter, yours certainly not seem like a objective
> > opinion..sorry!
>
> No, not bitter, but bittersweet... Here You Can Read The Facts for
> your self...
>
> >>Temple/Ashram of H.D. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, no mention of 'tm'
> >>being practiced...
> >> http://www.indiantemples.com/Himalaya/joshi_mutt.htm
***Sorry about the bitter remark...I didn't mean to get off to a bad start.
But honestly with these last links you say there is no mention of
TM.....they are just general info and tourest sites I wouldn't expect them
to.
> >>
The Spiritual Organization that is charged with maintaining the
> >> Spiritual Practices and Welfare of the
> >> Temples/Ashrams at Badrinath and Kedarnath and Jyotirmath..
>
> >> http://www.badrinath-kedarnath.org/bpuja.htm
> >> As per the established Hindu rituals the pujas have to be conducted
> >> without a break.."
>
> No mention of 'tm' being practiced.. What About This...
*** again I wouldn't expect them to, there is no mention of ANY type of
sadhana being practiced except the puja going on in the temple. Its a temple
site..I know it quite well. What I want to know is WHAT MEDITATION PRACTICE
DID Brahmananda Svami practice if any? If NOT what spiritual practices did
he recommend to people.
The Supreme Authentic Teachings of Shree Adi Shankara can be found
> >> here....http://www.kamakoti.org/other/bhaja/bhaja.html
> >> <snip>Shri Shankara composed a number of hymns to foster the sense
> >> of devotion in the hearts of men and this is His
> >> greatest service.
**I am looking into this site now .
> So Please tell us why you want to re-walk the "real estate', you once
> walked so many years ago?
> And left to find something better, only to return, going circles?
***I have done buddhist vipassana, yoga, chanting, you name it! maybe I am
going in circles......maybe I'm going in this circle to hear what you have
to say this time! By the way ..what do you practice ??? What IS your
practice??
> Best Regards
> Steve Perino
Peace
dp
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Sincerely, deepest respects
Most politely you say...."
> Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
>meditation versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
Please us *What Difference* it makes...
niether works *At All*....
You think you are going to immortal? Live forever? I believe a man
with *significantly more money* fantasized about the same thing. And
just died in Feb. 2000 (D. Henning).
Deepackage is on the "pro tm-ers" shit list here at a.m.t. As he
was "endoresed" by Basudevananda (a fake Jagadguru Shankarachrya, of
Jyosimutt).
And "yogi" is living on the run in Holland.. slowly losing what *Few
Marbles he Has Left*.....
read "Hit Them Hard" (yea, rrright, wes goin sues da gubermint fo nots
providin da "nachoRu al" law)
Best Regards
Steve Perino
PS: ifins ya git it outs wit da basti, calls da "Roto-rooter"
In article <Em3C5.862$ir6.1...@news.uswest.net>,
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra
Subject: The report of a true bhogi fakir.
Date: 10/02/2000
Author: Willytex
> Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras
- The Tejas Walla
Reference:
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Sincerely, deepest respects
Most politely, you ask..."
> ***You mean Jotir Math.......and how was he a fake? Did you learn
>this info 1st hand or are you just believing someone else's word?
Just Read Here...
>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
>> <snip> "Swami Brahmananda Saraswati passed away in 1953, but he had
>> not clearly indicated his successor.."
>> <snip> However, Santananda's reputation definitely took a blow,
>> although the major complaint against him was simply that he was nfit
>> for the post of Sankaracharya, because he did not measure up to the
>> qualifications described in the Mahanusasana texts. [2]
>> <snip> "In 1953 itself, one Swami Krishnabodha Asrama was appointed
>> as the new Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, contesting Santananda's claim.
>> <snip> "However, in 1979, when a conference of the Sankaracharyas of
>> the four Amnaya mathas was held at Sringeri, Santananda and
>> Vishnudevananda were not invited. It was Swarupananda Saraswati who
>> represented Jyotirmath
>> The True Authentic Succession at Jyosimutt (Jyotirmath)
>> H.D. Shree Swami Brahmananda Saraswatiji Maharaj 1941-1953
>> H.D. Shree Swami Krishnabodha Asrama 1953-1973
>> H.H. Shree Swami Swaroopananda Saraswatji 1973-present
Also most kindly you say..."
> *** You sound bitter, yours certainly not seem like a objective
> opinion..sorry!
No, not bitter, but bittersweet... Here You Can Read The Facts for
your self...
>>Temple/Ashram of H.D. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, no mention of 'tm'
>>being practiced...
>> http://www.indiantemples.com/Himalaya/joshi_mutt.htm
>> The Spiritual Organization that is charged with maintaining the
>> Spiritual Practices and Welfare of the
>> Temples/Ashrams at Badrinath and Kedarnath and Jyotirmath..
>> http://www.badrinath-kedarnath.org/bpuja.htm
>> As per the established Hindu rituals the pujas have to be conducted
>> without a break.."
No mention of 'tm' being practiced.. What About This...
>> The Supreme Authentic Teachings of Shree Adi Shankara can be found
>> here....http://www.kamakoti.org/other/bhaja/bhaja.html
>> <snip>Shri Shankara composed a number of hymns to foster the sense
>> of devotion in the hearts of men and this is His
>> greatest service.
So Please tell us why you want to re-walk the "real estate', you once
walked so many years ago?
And left to find something better, only to return, going circles?
Best Regards
Steve Perino
> >
> > > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras primordial sound
> > >meditation versus TM?? Is it the same or modified somewhat.
> >
> > Please us *What Difference* it makes...
> > niether works *At All*....
> >
> > You think you are going to immortal? Live forever? I believe a man
> > with *significantly more money* fantasized about the same thing. And
> > just died in Feb. 2000 (D. Henning)
>
> Just because he DIED doesn't mean the meditation was
false......eternality
> is not of "The Body " anyway.
>
> .Deepackage is on the "pro tm-ers" shit list here at a.m.t. As he
> > was "endoresed" by Basudevananda (a fake Jagadguru Shankarachrya, of
> > Jyosimutt).
>
> ***You mean Jotir Math.......and how was he a fake? Did you learn
this info
> 1st hand or are you just believing someone else's word?
>
> And "yogi" is living on the run in Holland.. slowly losing what *Few
> > Marbles he Has Left*....
>
> ***Hasn't Maharishi lived in Holland for years and years...who is he
running
> from?. YOU!
> >
> read "Hit Them Hard" (yea, rrright, wes goin sues da gubermint fo
nots
> > providin da "nachoRu al" law)
>
> *** You sound bitter, yours certainly not seem like a objective
> opinion..sorry!
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Steve Perino
> >
> > PS: ifins ya git it outs wit da basti, calls da "Roto-rooter"
>
> ***Real cute...
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Sincerely deepest respects
Most politely you say.."
> So you are saying that the disciplic succession from Brahmanand Svami
>does not descend into the present day TM movement?
Yes SIR that is *Exactly The Truth*.
In fact at, Shree Swami Guru Devaji's Ashram: mahesh Varma was a
clerk.
Not Brahmin caste, Never Practiced the Ashtang Yoga; nor The *Vaishnav
Bhakti* of H.D. Shree Sawmi Brahmanada Saraswatji Maharaj!
As you will find by 'surfing' those 'weblinks'; there is *NOT*
described any *such path* of, "mental repeatition" of Bija Mantras"
There is NO Big Secret Esoteric Path... It is called: *Vedic Sanatan
Dharma*, or a subsection; *Vaishnav Dharma* which includes...
*Vedic Dharma*->(or the practice of *Yagya*/Vedic Rituals)! It All A
Relegion refered in the west as Hinduism (and it involves BHAKTI)
Listen Sir I have 2 kids to get up and get ready for School and; Off to
Work myself. I promise I'll get back to you tonight, late pm.
Take Care
Best Regards
Steve Perino
In article <ZXcC5.2233$ir6.5...@news.uswest.net>,
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Sincerely, deepest respects
Most politely you say..."
> going in circles......maybe I'm going in this circle to hear what you
>have to say this time! By the way ..what do you practice ??? What IS
>your practice??
Most kindly and in Humility... *MY MASTER* has a weblink and I can
talk in detail about *HIM*.
However this a.m.t. forum is not the *!place!*..
E-Mail directly to my address and I will respond in that fashion.
Best Regards
Steve Perino
In article <rFdC5.2394$ir6.5...@news.uswest.net>,
dp
dp
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better watch out dude!!hahah
dp
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dp
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> Hello "DP"
> Namaste
> Sincerely deepest respects
**Very nice greeting...
>
> Most politely you say.."
** I must say uncle steve ...this sounds a little condescending !
> > So you are saying that the disciplic succession from Brahmanand Svami
> >does not descend into the present day TM movement?
>
> Yes SIR that is *Exactly The Truth*.
> In fact at, Shree Swami Guru Devaji's Ashram: mahesh Varma was a
> clerk.
** clerks can quite possibly make spiritual advancement in life as well as
any one!
> Not Brahmin caste, Never Practiced the Ashtang Yoga; nor The *Vaishnav
> Bhakti* of H.D. Shree Sawmi Brahmanada Saraswatji Maharaj!
**So now we are getting somewhere! You say Brahmanada Svami practiced
Ashtang Yoga along with "Vaishnav Bhakti" please give me details of the type
of Vaishnav Bhakti he practiced who was his ishta-devata? Because in
Vaishnav Dharma one is devoted to either Vishnu or Krishna , Ram etc.
Shankara did establish a temple to Narasinha in the Himalayas. So your
saying that Brahmanada Svami was of this advaita/bhakti school with astanga
yoga?
With No TM ever practiced?
> As you will find by 'surfing' those 'weblinks'; there is *NOT*
> described any *such path* of, "mental repeatition" of Bija Mantras"
** Well steven....those web sites are not gonna give info on the types of
sadhana practisced by the people there, The Temple Site is a very nice site,
to say that "Oh , it doesn't mention TM or Bija mantras" is not very strong
arguement for you from an outsiders point of veiw.... I am not saying I
disagree with you but I am talking about your evidence you bring to the
table...
>
> There is NO Big Secret Esoteric Path... It is called: *Vedic Sanatan
> Dharma*, or a subsection; *Vaishnav Dharma* which includes...
> *Vedic Dharma*->(or the practice of *Yagya*/Vedic Rituals)! It All A
> Relegion refered in the west as Hinduism (and it involves BHAKTI)
**Yes but it is practiced in a multitude of ways that differ greatly from
one another.
So you say that the Sankaracarya or Joyti Math Brahmanda svami was of
Vaishnav dharma.? Explain...which Vaishnav sampraday did he belong to?
I look forward to your answers.
>
> Listen Sir I have 2 kids to get up and get ready for School and; Off to
> Work myself. I promise I'll get back to you tonight, late pm.
> Take Care
** OK
John A. Stanley
This is it:
However, you might also want to read about another TM fanatic who joined up
with ISDL:
http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly.shtml
http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly2.shtml
http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly3.shtml
--
John A. Stanley Remove delicious mucilaginous vegetable to email
dp
Where is he tonight anyway...?
dp
"John A. Stanley" <j...@okranatel.net> wrote in message
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> In article <thoC5.91$KF.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >Steve what is your web link??
>
steve_...@my-deja.com
In article <YuuC5.324$KF.3...@news.uswest.net>,
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
Subject: Primordial Depakage sounds.
Date: 10/03/2000
Author: willytex
DP woote
> Do you support the MMY?
>
DP - Thank you for your interest in the Maharishi and the Tejas Walla.
The Tejas Walla has posted much data as to his opinions etc. on this
very newsgroup. The Tejas Walla urges you to click on Power Search and
at Author type in will...@yahoo.com.
The Tejas Walla also urges you to vist his on-line Journal at:
http://willytex.home.texas.net/mahaweb/tradition.htm
Below are the relevant posts that you requested. For your convienience
I have appended a recent article from the Times of India which clearly
shows what the Shankacharya of Puri thinks about the Dwaraka
Swaroopanand and that committee of miscreants up in Varanasi who
sponsor the fake shanks!
- The Tejas Walla
Relevant posts by the Tejas Walla at Dejanews:
alt.meditation.transcendental
Shankaracharya Lineage
07/28/2000
Jagadgurus Today
07/31/2000
The Whole Thing, The Real Thing
08/07/2000
Indian High Court
08/07/2000
Dhyana: The Origins
08/31/2000
Multi-dimensional Living
08/31/2000
A Knowledge Base
08/31/2000
Guru Parampara
09/10/2000
Gleanings of a Yaqui Faqir
09/07/2000
An Appeal to Authority
09/02/2000
TM Metaphysics
09/24/2000
Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: Fake Shanks
Subject: The Sonia, Gandhi-Chandra Nexus
Date: 09/17/2000
Author: willytex
Times of India
May 1, 2000
Bibhuti Mishra in Bhubaneswar
Puri Shankaracharya goes on the offensive.
Swami Adhokshyananda Maharaj, who left Puri following judicial orders
last week, has succeeded in rattling the
Shankaracharya of Puri, Swami Nischalananda Saraswati.
"He should be arrested or at least packed off to a loony bin,"
thundered the Shankaracharya referring to Swami
Adhokshyananda who since 1995 has been challenging his right to be the
Shankaracharya.
The swami had come twice to Puri -- once in 1997 and the second time
last week -- to claim the seat of
Shankaracharya, dubbing Swami Nischalananda as just a manager. Both
times he returned only after the police intervened.
The Shankaracharya has now felt the need to reauthenticate his claim by
showing video cassettes of his
coronation on February 9, 1992 by his predecessor, Swami Niranjan
Debteertah.
He does not buy Swami Adhokshyananda's argument that the Shankaracharya
has no right to select his
successor, that it is only the all- India 'Vidwan mandali' that is
empowered to do so.
The Shankaracharya called Swami Adhokshyananda an "impostor" who is a
product of the Sonia
Gandhi-Chandra Swamy nexus. He came down heavily on the Congress
for "hatching a conspiracy against apex
Hindu religious institution."
"[Former finance minister and Congress leader] Manmohan Singh had also
introduced a fake Shankaracharya. I
am targeted because the Gobardhan peetha of Puri is the most important
of the four peethas and the Puri
Shankaracharya is so preeminent that he is also the Shankaracharya of
the entire Nepal,' said Swami
Neeschalandaji.
He said it was a pity that while Hindu institutions in India and abroad
have recognised him, politicians who roll red carpet to popes machinate
against him with the help of "impostors like Adhoksyananda."
steve_...@my-deja.com
I am right here; are you writing from *"Your Parents Basement*? or
from "DP" copmuter's?
Or perhaps having "dp" post your messages for you.
In article <wywC5.387$KF.4...@news.uswest.net>,
"dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> So...steve is an EX-TM- gone rasilk raganuga ....!
> Where is he tonight anyway...?
> dp
>
> "John A. Stanley" <j...@okranatel.net> wrote in message
> news:SYo2549z...@okranatel.net...
> > In article <thoC5.91$KF.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> > "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > >Steve what is your web link??
> >
> > This is it:
> >
> > http://www.isdl.org/
> >
> > However, you might also want to read about another TM fanatic who
joined
> up
> > with ISDL:
> >
> > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly.shtml
> >
> > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly2.shtml
> >
> > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly3.shtml
> >
> >
> > --
> > John A. Stanley Remove delicious mucilaginous vegetable to
email
>
>
steve_...@my-deja.com
Gackenbach, J., Moorecroft, W., Alexander, C. & LaBerge, S.
(1987). "Consciousness" dur-ing sleep in a TM practitioner: Heart rate,
respiration and eye movement. Paper pre-sented at the annual meeting of
the Association for the Study of Dreams, Arlington, VA...."
Here is a copy of the e-mail from the Research Scientist...
Subj: Re: Stephen J. Perinn/Perino
Date: 9/30/00 5:05:19 PM Central Daylight Time
From: jay...@athabascau.ca (Jayne Gackenbach)
To: Steve...@aol.com
" the study you quote below is the one
on your results - let me know how you are doing
Jayne [end]
Look there Sir John A. Stanley *!The Only Study*! ever done that
conclusively shown demonstrates "PC".
With breath suspension as shown by John Kesterson!!
Yet Kesterson claims later in 1989, ther is "no significant
difference or reduction of metabolic rates in long term meditators"
Why the switch??
In article <SYo2549z...@okranatel.net>,
j...@okranatel.net (John A. Stanley) wrote:
> In article <thoC5.91$KF.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >Steve what is your web link??
>
> This is it:
>
> http://www.isdl.org/
>
> However, you might also want to read about another TM fanatic who
joined up
> with ISDL:
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly.shtml
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly2.shtml
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly3.shtml
>
> --
> John A. Stanley Remove delicious mucilaginous vegetable to email
>
dp
I am not the tejas...not in the least. Just being objective. And believe me
its not taking me long to figure this one out. I read the interveiw with the
Sankaracarya on trancenet...and I have to say it seems that Mahesh Yogi is
what is called asampradaya (outside the sampradaya) because of his deviation
in regards to the practice of TM. It is evident from the interview with the
Sankaracarya that no such thing as TM-bija mantra meditation never existed
at all within the Sankarites of Jotir Math. Why would Mahesh Yogi make up
such a thing? I always had my doubts about it....the system of pancha
Devupasana in Shankaras system certainly seems to be upheld by Brahmananda
Swami...why was it replaced with the TM method by Mahesh Yogi??? Why was the
system put in place by Shankara himself disgarded and replaced by TM bija
mantra sleepiness?
I think you all for your help in this regard...I will be posting more info
tonight!!!
dp
<steve_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rf228$kb8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hello willytex
>
>
> I am right here; are you writing from *"Your Parents Basement*? or
> from "DP" copmuter's?
> Or perhaps having "dp" post your messages for you.
>
> In article <wywC5.387$KF.4...@news.uswest.net>,
> "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > So...steve is an EX-TM- gone rasilk raganuga ....!
> > Where is he tonight anyway...?
> > dp
> >
> > "John A. Stanley" <j...@okranatel.net> wrote in message
> > news:SYo2549z...@okranatel.net...
> > > In article <thoC5.91$KF.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> > > "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> > > >Steve what is your web link??
> > >
> > > This is it:
> > >
> > > http://www.isdl.org/
> > >
> > > However, you might also want to read about another TM fanatic who
> joined
> > up
> > > with ISDL:
> > >
> > > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly.shtml
> > >
> > > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly2.shtml
> > >
> > > http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly3.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > John A. Stanley Remove delicious mucilaginous vegetable to
> email
> >
> >
>
>
Lawson English
ANOTHER Shankaracharya recognized by the courts AND by at least some of the
religious hierarchy in Northern India?
The rhetoric put forth by that particular Shankaracharya reminds me of Pat
Buchanan, to be honest. NOT someone who would be trustworthy in anything
involving contradictions to his closely held beliefs because his Reality
Filters would preclude him from dispassionate reporting of what everyone
else would call "the facts."
in article Y8IC5.8401$Nb2.1...@news.uswest.net, dp at
dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 8:37 AM:
> Steveji....
>
> I am not the tejas...not in the least. Just being objective. And believe me
> its not taking me long to figure this one out. I read the interveiw with the
> Sankaracarya on trancenet...and I have to say it seems that Mahesh Yogi is
> what is called asampradaya (outside the sampradaya) because of his deviation
> in regards to the practice of TM. It is evident from the interview with the
> Sankaracarya that no such thing as TM-bija mantra meditation never existed
> at all within the Sankarites of Jotir Math. Why would Mahesh Yogi make up
> such a thing? I always had my doubts about it....the system of pancha
> Devupasana in Shankaras system certainly seems to be upheld by Brahmananda
> Swami...why was it replaced with the TM method by Mahesh Yogi??? Why was the
> system put in place by Shankara himself disgarded and replaced by TM bija
> mantra sleepiness?
> I think you all for your help in this regard...I will be posting more info
> tonight!!!
--
Reform is a state of mind.
Vote with your mind, from your heart.
Vote Reform, vote Hagelin 2000.
Lawson English Tucson, Arizona
--
dp
dp
"Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
news:B600ACF7.629F%eng...@primenet.com...
Lawson English
dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 9:39 AM:
> So....why did mahesh yogi INVENT those TM bija Mantras?
>
I never said that he did. Those are householder mantas, according to MMY,
suitable for practice by people who have chosen an active lifestyle.
The mantras, such as they are, that might be used in by monks are held by
MMY to be unsuitable for householders because they strengthen the reclusive
way of life. However, the appreciation that different types of people
require different types of mantras was lost over the course of a thousand
years because the monks never used them and distained them as unworthy of
"real" Seekers.
MMY goes into this in his books which are still in print. Suggest you read
one.
-mikey
Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote:
> You're aware, of course, that when that interview was done, there was
You guys crack me up!! Arguing about which guru is the *rightful* aire
to the throne. Which one we should rightfully be following. Which
technique we should be using. LOL
Which one is liberating his students? Which one doesn't care about who
his followers are, but what they've realized and who they love?
Freedom from (attachment to) the "guru-tree", should be the message.
*Individual* enlightenment, so as all people *know*. Not
just "masters", but all people.
When everyone knows, what happens to the "guru-tree"? Who needs it
then?
Shankaracharya doesn't mean diddly, unless if you think it does. Do
you guys really need someone to look up to that badly? Isn't something
happening inside of you that precludes that need? Shouldn't there be?
Why are we so attached to these gurus? .... fear?
The politics of spirituality? Not that enlightening.
-mikey
"Although I saw the executioner and the fire,
I could not say anything but what I have said."
--Joan D'Arc
dp
I appreciate your imput on this ..I am still sifting thru the info.....but
my question is where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he get the TM
technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you...I just want to know the
history and truth.
dp
"Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
news:B600B01A.62C9%eng...@primenet.com...
Lawson English
dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 10:48 AM:
> Lawson...
>
> I appreciate your imput on this ..I am still sifting thru the info.....but
> my question is where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he get the TM
> technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you...I just want to know the
> history and truth.
The bija mantras are well-known throughout India. They are used in countless
prayers and ceremonies. The monks (other than Maharishi) tend to look down
on them as without value.
And TM apparently was an inspiration. He certainly never claimed that his
teacher taught it to him, only that he felt that it was the distillation of
his teacher's entire teachings into one technique.
Lawson English
who is concerned with the history, etc., of TM. I was merely pointing out
that there are at least two conflicting stories of what went on,
TM-history-wise, both equally credible (from my perspective).
in article 8rfphf$8rv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com, -mikey at michael...@my-deja.com
wrote on 10/4/00 10:31 AM:
--
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM.
Subject: Non-response.
Date: 10/04/2000
Author: Willytex
> DP wrote
> Where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he
> get the TM technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you.
>
archives which will answer some of your questions, and I have responded
to your other question IN DETAIL here for the past six months. I can
only assume that you are a troll, not serious in discussing the details.
In case you missed my first post I am appending it below for your
convienience.
- The Tejas Walla
Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM.
Subject: A repost to a non-reply.
Date: 10/04/2000
Author: Willytex
- The Tejas Walla
sudarsha
them ...
"dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:E3JC5.12751$Nb2.1...@news.uswest.net...
| So....why did mahesh yogi INVENT those TM bija Mantras?
|
|
| dp
| "Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
| news:B600ACF7.629F%eng...@primenet.com...
| > You're aware, of course, that when that interview was done, there was
sudarsha
mantras just right for the individual? a bit of a sad joke, no? he started
out with 2, one for men, 1 for women, and a story about how effective tm
was: balances the whole nervous system, mantras just right for the specific
individual! a quick peek at trancenet, by no means the total picture, will
reveal that as he got more students he got more mantras ... but they are
easily available as I have previously given examples of ... the Indian book
stalls are full of mantra books to cure this and that, to ward off this and
that ... what a marvellous coincidence that m should happen to "cognize"
these very mantras whenever he happened to need a few more!
"Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
news:B600B01A.62C9%eng...@primenet.com...
| in article E3JC5.12751$Nb2.1...@news.uswest.net, dp at
| dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 9:39 AM:
|
| > So....why did mahesh yogi INVENT those TM bija Mantras?
| >
|
| I never said that he did. Those are householder mantas, according to MMY,
| suitable for practice by people who have chosen an active lifestyle.
|
| The mantras, such as they are, that might be used in by monks are held by
| MMY to be unsuitable for householders because they strengthen the
reclusive
| way of life. However, the appreciation that different types of people
| require different types of mantras was lost over the course of a thousand
| years because the monks never used them and distained them as unworthy of
| "real" Seekers.
|
| MMY goes into this in his books which are still in print. Suggest you read
| one.
|
sudarsha
shyam 's pan stall ... doesn't take too much imagination ... the usage
technique resembles the japa technique taught by his Rishikesh neighbour,
Shivananda
"dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:94KC5.12773$Nb2.1...@news.uswest.net...
| Lawson...
|
| I appreciate your imput on this ..I am still sifting thru the info.....but
| my question is where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he get the
TM
| technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you...I just want to know the
| history and truth.
|
| dp
sudarsha
| in article 94KC5.12773$Nb2.1...@news.uswest.net, dp at
| dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 10:48 AM:
|
| > Lawson...
| >
| > I appreciate your imput on this ..I am still sifting thru the
info.....but
| > my question is where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he get
the TM
| > technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you...I just want to know the
| > history and truth.
|
|
countless
| prayers and ceremonies. The monks (other than Maharishi) tend to look down
| on them as without value.
|
| And TM apparently was an inspiration.
students previous teachers were teaching, so inspiration is a very curious
term ... but I have pointed this out before
He certainly never claimed that his
| teacher taught it to him, only that he felt that it was the distillation
of
| his teacher's entire teachings into one technique.
|
|
|
Lawson English
suda...@attcanada.ca wrote on 10/4/00 1:52 PM:
> seems the mantra business was lost soon after m got his hands on it ... the
> mantras just right for the individual? a bit of a sad joke, no? he started
> out with 2, one for men, 1 for women, and a story about how effective tm
> was: balances the whole nervous system, mantras just right for the specific
> individual! a quick peek at trancenet, by no means the total picture, will
> reveal that as he got more students he got more mantras ... but they are
> easily available as I have previously given examples of ... the Indian book
> stalls are full of mantra books to cure this and that, to ward off this and
> that ... what a marvellous coincidence that m should happen to "cognize"
> these very mantras whenever he happened to need a few more!
Where did I *ever* say that MMY "cognized* the mantras? His contribution is
two-fold:
1) the technique
2) the recognition that there are two types of people who need two different
types of mantras.
The mantras have been around, as you say, forever. I explicitly pointed out
that they are used in prayers and ceremonies all over India.
sudarsha
some solid reasoning here, why ... mostly solid reasoning is just an
invitation to have your sanity questioned [here] ... true insanity is what
sells well, as amply demonstrated by m (tinker extraordinaire, fakir to the
stars)
what do his students have to demonstrate? a.m.t. is full of this as is
trancenet
I have taken a peek at some other newsgroups, however, and been astonished
that the students there actually have made progress rather than puree of one
another
"-mikey" <michael...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rfphf$8rv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
| In article <B600ACF7.629F%eng...@primenet.com>,
| Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote:
| > You're aware, of course, that when that interview was done, there was
| > ANOTHER Shankaracharya recognized ....snip....
|
| You guys crack me up!! Arguing about which guru is the *rightful* aire
| to the throne. Which one we should rightfully be following. Which
| technique we should be using. LOL
|
| Which one is liberating his students? Which one doesn't care about who
| his followers are, but what they've realized and who they love?
| Freedom from (attachment to) the "guru-tree", should be the message.
| *Individual* enlightenment, so as all people *know*. Not
| just "masters", but all people.
|
| When everyone knows, what happens to the "guru-tree"? Who needs it
| then?
|
| Shankaracharya doesn't mean diddly, unless if you think it does. Do
| you guys really need someone to look up to that badly? Isn't something
| happening inside of you that precludes that need? Shouldn't there be?
| Why are we so attached to these gurus? .... fear?
|
| The politics of spirituality? Not that enlightening.
|
| -mikey
|
| "Although I saw the executioner and the fire,
| I could not say anything but what I have said."
| --Joan D'Arc
|
|
sudarsha
nauseam at Estes Park
he cobbled together a lot of stuff and made it easy to learn; ok, that is
sort of a good thing -- he had no answer, however, when people went
"haywire" with his easy-to-learn technique and is responsible for his
organization's tendency to blame the victim and not fix the marketing
strategy (which is not a good thing)
he is also responsible for tampering with the lives of devoted students in
order to devise more money-making "products" and that is a very bad thing
it is very clear that tm (and its various offshoots) does not always work,
it is very clear that tm does not work for everybody or harmonize the
'nervous system' (a clearly undefined "well, you know what I mean" sort of
term that takes on meaning without definition in the tm framework), we
generally think it means the physical body and the incoporporeal mind: but m
had never been very clear about this -- he would rather we believed our own
nonesense here than his (I am feeling very negative because I am editing and
have already read what comes after this) -- we willingly believe with a
vengence something we think we understnad, a very dangerous thing in the
spiritual market place
I am very happy for those for whom tm has had good effects ... if these were
the only people I ever met, then I would think tm was the most marvellous
thing on the planet, I would immediately sign up and would be impressed out
of my mind at being chosen to be m's assistant-secretary-amanuensis-factotum
... and I certainly was (he usually just called me the general manager, I
suspect he was being cute) ... trouble is, I met face-to-face the reality
behind the giggling image; I met face-to-face the real tragedies behind the
TranceNet stories (by the way, TranceNet is not the be all and end all of
stories, there are far more untold ones, which forms a tragedy greater than
the tragedy told there) and I was part of the experimentations that Mitch
Kapor mentions in the Tricycle article (the whole article is available on
his web page). Mitch tells no lies; m does, however, when he says or lets us
believe that tm is good universally without a glitch or hitch, that tm has
only the goodest imaginable effects, that science proves how good tm is,
that tm 'harmonizes' every aspect of the body ... these are lies.
If I tell you to bet $5,000 on a horse (and if I tell 5,000 other people
each to bet on a different horse but all in the same race) there are going
to be a lot of winners! I am going to be the image of the profoundest
psychic of all time, people will pay me untold money for my advice! If there
happen to be more winners than loosers, if the winners are noiser about
winning than the loosers about loosing, my god, will I be seen as good!
I am not a humble person, but I happen to value the welfare of every living
thing; not something I learned from m, but something I am very grateful to
have learned. When I see the damage (and having experienced it first hand
both in myself and in great numbers around me on his courses), then I cannot
keep quite when I hear how good tm is.
I am happy for those who find it of value. I am very alarmed that this
technique is so easily available with no warning label, no preliminary
investigation or preparatory work to ensure safety. But the, I am also
alarmed that illegal drugs are also easily available, but both the good and
bad stories about illegal drugs seem to alarm me equally.
I hope that this has been helpful.
S.
"Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
news:B600EB48.63BB%eng...@primenet.com...
steve_...@my-deja.com
Look willytex responding to his *OWN* posts
In article <8rg3fv$i6d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
willytex <will...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM.
> Subject: Non-response.
> Date: 10/04/2000
> Author: Willytex
> > DP wrote
> > Where did MMY find those mantras? and where did he
> > get the TM technique from?? I'm not trying to offend you.
> > I just want to know the history and truth.
> >
dp
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the man behind TM, was born around 1918, in central
India in a nonpriestly caste. Not much is known about his past because he
refuses to talk about it. In 1940, he took a bachelor's degree in physics
from Allahabad University. Then until 1953, he sought enlightenment under
his guru Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, who was then Shankaracharya of
Jyotirmath in the Himalayas. It is said that just before the Swami died, he
commissioned Mahesh Yogi to evolve a simple form of meditation which anyone
could learn and practice. In obedience to this directive, Mahesh hid away in
the Himalayas for two years. When he emerged, he started the TM movement,
and in 1956 he took the title "Maharishi," meaning "Great Seer."
Is this the TM version??? that Guru Dev commissioned Mahesh Yogi to evolve a
simple form of Meditation???
comments??
I am still not Tejus and I am still wanting to HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES..
Lets ROCK!!!
dp
"willytex" <will...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8rgi2j$uld$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
> Subject: Mikey cracks up, gets answers.
> Date: 10/04/2000
> Author: willytex
> > Mikey wrote
> > You guys crack me up! Why are we so attached to these gurus?
> >
> Mikey - Thank you for your interest in TM. A true insightful post you
> be bringing to the newsgroup and a good question! In case you did not
> know, this is a newsgroup where we discuss Transcendental Meditation
> and its effects, pro and con, Adwaita Vedanta and what it really is,
> and the Shankacharya Tradition and who it is supposed to be. You,
> obviously knowing little these subjects, would be justified in
> questioning our veracity in discussing such apparently abstruse and
> polemical issues.
>
> Be that as it may, I will answer your question by saying that the
> Shankaracharya devotees have a heightened concern for apostolicity.
> This concern has an obvious theological implication, for unbroken
> lineage in the Veda symbolizes the eternal in humankind, in history and
> in the cosmos. The teaching of the Shankarcharyas is the continuation,
> it is believed, of Sanatana Dharma in its Advaita Vedanta expression
> from generation to generation.
>
> The current legally reccognized Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath is H.H.
> Vasudevanada Saraswati, a direct desciple of the great Guru Dev. Swami
> Vasudevananda has the full support of the current Shankaracharya of
> Puri Math.
>
> - The Tejas Walla
>
> Relevant posts by the Tejas Walla at Dejanews:
> alt.meditation.transcendental
>
> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: A Lakh Rupees
> Subject: Shankaracahrya of Jyotirpeeth
> Date: 09/17/2000
> Author: willytex
>
> Lucknow-online
> May 1, 2000
>
> The Shankacharya of Jyotirpeeth Badrikashram, Swami Vasudevanand,
> called upon the Chief Minister, Mr. Kalyan Singh, at his
> residence and presented a cheque of Rs. 1 lakh for providing assistance
> to the quake victims of Uttaranchal. The Shankacharya, during the half
> hour meeting with the chief minister, expressed grief over the heavy
> loss of life and property caused by the earthquake in the Uttaranchal
> region. He appreciated the relief work being carried out by the state
> government. http://www.lucknowonline.com
>
> Other relevant posts by will...@yahoo.com
>
> Shankaracharya Lineage
> 07/28/2000
> Jagadgurus Today
> 07/31/2000
> The Whole Thing, The Real Thing
> 08/07/2000
> Indian High Court
> 08/07/2000
> Dhyana: The Origins
> 08/31/2000
> Multi-dimensional Living
> 08/31/2000
> A Knowledge Base
> 08/31/2000
> Guru Parampara
> 09/10/2000
> Gleanings of a Yaqui Faqir
> 09/07/2000
> An Appeal to Authority
> 09/02/2000
> TM Metaphysics
> 09/24/2000
>
>
>
>
Lawson English
best scholarly view of the history of the TM organization that I have seen.
I don't know that it goes into any detail about the origins of the TM
_technique_, but it DOES delve into the origins and history of the TM
organization, both personal and cultural:
http://hometown.aol.com/drcoplin/dissertation.html
in article ANTC5.13315$Nb2.4...@news.uswest.net, dp at
dpears...@uswest.net wrote on 10/4/00 9:51 PM:
> I found this surfing around last night.....
>
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the man behind TM, was born around 1918, in central
> India in a nonpriestly caste. Not much is known about his past because he
> refuses to talk about it. In 1940, he took a bachelor's degree in physics
> from Allahabad University. Then until 1953, he sought enlightenment under
> his guru Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, who was then Shankaracharya of
> Jyotirmath in the Himalayas. It is said that just before the Swami died, he
> commissioned Mahesh Yogi to evolve a simple form of meditation which anyone
> could learn and practice. In obedience to this directive, Mahesh hid away in
> the Himalayas for two years. When he emerged, he started the TM movement,
> and in 1956 he took the title "Maharishi," meaning "Great Seer."
>
> Is this the TM version??? that Guru Dev commissioned Mahesh Yogi to evolve a
> simple form of Meditation???
>
> comments??
>
> I am still not Tejus and I am still wanting to HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES..
>
> Lets ROCK!!!
>
> dp
>
--
dp
dp
"Lawson English" <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in message
news:B60160C5.6431%eng...@primenet.com...
willytex
steve_...@my-deja.com
off the deep end, with his "staged photograph of a *PROVEN FRAUD*")
Vishnudevananda *WAS NEVER* the True Authentic Jagadguru Shankaracharya
of Jyosimutt..
In a photograph found here at this 'site' we see *ALL* True Authentic
Jagadguru Shankaracharyas in 1979...
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad-today.html
<snip> "From L to R: Sri Swami Swarupananda Sarasvati (Jyotirmath), Sri
Abhinava Vidya Tirtha (Sringeri), Sri Swami Niranjana Deva Tirtha
(Puri), Sri Swami Abhinava Saccidananda Tirtha (Dvaraka) - Meeting at
Sringeri in 1979.
And reading on we discover that in 1982 Shree Swami Swarupananda
Saraswatiji of Jyosimutt (Jagadguru Shankaracharya since 1973). Assumed
the Seat of Jagadguru Shankaracharya at Dwarika Sharda Peetham....
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad-today.html
<snip> "in 1982, following which Sri Swami Swarupananda Sarasvati of
Jyotirmath assumed charge at Dwaraka. Sri Swami Abhinava Vidya Tirtha
of Sringeri consecrated his appointment, and Sri Swami Swarupananda has
held dual charge at both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath since then.
And the situation remained unchanged through 1993 and present, as
these *Historical Events* occured...
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html#21
<snip> "In June 1993, a joint statement was issued by the
Sankaracharyas, in connection with the Babri Masjid demolition, which
Sri Swami Swarupananda Saraswati signed twice, in his dual capacity as
the head of both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath
<snip> The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim
order, prohibiting Vasudevananda from using the title of Sankaracharya
to collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
[end]
And that is where we stand today as of July 1,2000. As The Seventh
Sessions Judge has refused to issue a stay on the original order.
So in the *Courts* and elsewhere; NO recognition of the:
"*!Shantinanada/Vishnudevanada/Vasudevananda "Dog and Pony
Show*!"...willytex/"dp" is just fantasizing
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad-today.html
<snip> "Sankara is traditionally said to have organized the Dasnami
Sampradaya and established four Mathas (monasteries) at Sringeri (in
Karnataka), Puri (in Orissa), Dvaraka (in Gujarat) and Jyotirmath (in
Uttar Pradesh).
The Dasanami Sampradaya: The Dasanams order is so called because of the
ten (Dasa) name (Nama) suffixes which these sannyasis adopt. These
names are - Bharati, Saraswati, Sagara, Tirtha, Puri, Asrama, Giri,
Parvata, Aranya and Vana. These ten names are supposed to be
distributed among the four Mathas.
<snip> In Northern India, the Dasanami Sanyasis are organized into a
number of Akhadas - Juna, Niranjani, Mahanirvani, Atal, Avahan, Ananda
and Agni.
In fact *All The Authentic Ture Jagadguru Shankaracharya's of All The
Mathas* Teach the Same Vaishnav Bhakti!...
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/ad-today.html
<snip> "In reality, advaitins are non-sectarian, and they advocate
worship of Siva and Vishnu equally with that of the other deities of
Hinduism, like Sakti, Ganapati and others. [end]
Sorry on "mental repeatition" of Bija Mantras
In article <8rdtng$p2k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
Date: 10/04/2000
Author: willytex
> Steve Perino wrote
> The latest development from this angle is that on
> February 22, 1999, the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh,
> has passed an interim order, prohibiting Vasudevananda
> from using the title of Sankaracharya to collect any donations,
> may be taken in with your hyperbole and spam
>
Mr. Perino - Newcomers here may be taken in by your hyperbole and spam
but I for one know that you and your cohorts have been thouroughy
discredited both here on this newsgroup and in the Indian Press. The
Tejas Walla does not recognize your committee appointed pretender
Shank 'o Joker and the Tejas Walla thinks the Swaroop has a big mouth.
In fact, I have it on good authority that the Swaroop is an
embarrasment to the whole country of India with his outroght support of
abject casteism, anti-cow killing extremism, anti-family planning
racist protocols, and Muslim versus Hindu discension fomenting. Your
fake Shank pretender two-time double dipper weenie is obviously a
puppet of the Sonia Gandhi-Chandra nexus. The Indian High Court will
adminish the miscreants who bring disgrace on the Shankaracharya
Sampradaya and on the Jyotishpeeth.
"Five months before Sri Guru Dev died, Acharya Shri had executed a will
and registered it with the District Registrar at Allahabad. That will
was examined and given to the Jyotirmath Interim Committee. At the
auspicious time of 11:14 a.m. on June 12, 1953, the successor indicated
in the will was installed amidst great pomp and show. Shri Swami
Shantananda Saraswati Maharaj, a direct desciple of Acharya Srhee Guru
Dev, commenceced his tenure by offering a puja to the sandals of
Acharyaya Shri."
Quotation from 'The Official Biography of Sri Guru Dev,' with the
Imprimatur of H.H. Swami Shantanand Saraswati,
a direct desiple of Sri Guru Dev and the appointed successor of Sri
Swami Shantananda Saraswati.
TM, in fact, is none other than Sanatan Dharma in it's purest sense,
and is the Middle Way. I am convinced that this technique was taught to
Adi Sankara by his guru Gaudapadacharya. Unfortunately, this technique
was lost, and was re-discoverd by Swami Krishnananda Saraswati and
Swami Brahmananda Saraswati early in this century. This is TM, as
taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Gaudapapda Acharya was the author of the famous Karika on Mandukya
Upanishad. The Great Gauda discovered Turiya, the fourth state of
conciousness, which is the Coherent Basis and applied science of
Adwaita, the most obvious, reasonable, logical, practical, and natural
explanation of Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Gauda was the first post-
Upanishadic teacher and expositor of the Adwaita School.
As for the donations, I am appending a recent report from lucknowonline.
- The Tejas Walla
Reference:
'The Whole Thing. The Real Thing'
The Official Biography of Sri Guru Deva
by Rameshwar Tilwari, 1966
English Version by Prem C.Pasricha, 1977
The Times of India
timesofindia.com
Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: A Lakh Rupees
Subject: Shankaracahrya of Jyotirpeeth
Date: 09/17/2000
Author: willytex
Lucknow-online
May 1, 2000
The Shankacharya of Jyotirpeeth Badrikashram, Swami Vasudevanand,
called upon the Chief Minister, Mr. Kalyan Singh, at his
residence and presented a cheque of Rs. 1 lakh for providing assistance
to the quake victims of Uttaranchal. The Shankacharya, during the half
hour meeting with the chief minister, expressed grief over the heavy
loss of life and property caused by the earthquake in the Uttaranchal
region. He appreciated the relief work being carried out by the state
government.
steve_...@my-deja.com
lineage here (below), as it is today
(http://users.erols.com/ramakris/sringeri/mahas.html)
From there we can trace backwards and see the *Same Endorsements* of
H.D. Shree Swami Brahmananda Saraswatiji and, as the *Same
Endorsements* of H.D. Shree Swami Swaroopananda Saraswatiji..
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
><snip> "The appointment of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati in 1941 was
>made by a group of monks and pundits based in Varanasi (the Bharata
>Dharma >Mahamandala, Kashi Vidvat Parishad, and the Akhila Bharatiya
>Dharmasangha), with the blessings of Swami Bharati Krishna Tirtha, the
>then Sankaracharya of Puri. Swami Chandrasekhara Bharati of Sringeri
>also endorsed Brahmananda's appointment.->
(follow the Authentic Lineage and we find)
http://users.erols.com/ramakris/sringeri/chand.html
>In 1931, the Swami initiated his successor, Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha
>to Sannyasa, and nominated him as the 35th Peethadhipati of Sringeri.
http://users.erols.com/ramakris/sringeri/mahas.html...
><snip>During his tour of northern India, he met with Sri Abhinava
>Sacchidananda Tirtha, the Sankaracharya of Dwaraka. The authorities of
>the famous Annapurna temple in Varanasi requested him to consecrate
>the new vigraha of Devi Annapurnesvari and the new Sricakra.
>The historic meeting of the four Sankaracharyas
>Sringeri, 1979.
>This event took place on Dipavali day in 1977, in the presence of the
>successor-designate Swami Bharati Tirtha, and Sri Niranjana Deva
>Tirtha, the then Sankaracharya of Puri. In 1979, under the initiative
>of Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha, all four Sankaracharyas from Puri,
>Dwaraka, Joshimath and Sringeri, congregated during the Sankara
>Jayanti celebrations at Sringeri. This was the first time in twelve
>centuries that all four recognized leaders of the Advaita monastic
>tradition met one another at the same time. [end]
Sorry willytex/"dp" and Sir Lawson nothing can be said of "*The Dog
And Pony Show*"
For another interesting 'site' that reveals more of the Lineage of *All
the Jagadgurus* of Sanatan Dharma..
http://www.hindumandir.org/hindumandir/
Regarding the Jagadguru Ramanuja Sampradaya. All I can find is
*this*....
http://www.srivaishnava.org/sva/desika.htm
><snip> "Sri Vedanta Desika was born in 1268 at Thooppul, a village
>near Kanchipuram,..
><snip> "The rhythmic beauty of the Raghu Vira Gadyam's prose and his
>touching descriptionsof the Krishna-lilas in the Gopala Vimsati are
>among the high points of the entire gamut of India's religious
>literature. [end]
More Bhakti to Shree Krishna from *A Descended Jagadguru* whom was a
Vashinav!
Oh and this 'site' which also verifies the postion and Teachings of
Shree Adi Shankara...
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/bhaja1.html
<snip> "Bhaja Govindam is one of the minor compositions of the
spiritual gaint, Adi SHANKARA" [end]
Best Regards
Steve Perino
In article <_rUC5.13356$Nb2.4...@news.uswest.net>,
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
Date: 10/05/2000
Author: willytex
> Steve Perino wrote
> (http://users.erols.com/ramakris/sringeri/mahas.html)
>
Mr. Perino - Thank you for the informative urls concerning the
Shankaracharya Lineage. May I remind you that the Shankacharya Lineage
of the Jyotirmath Peeth has been extinct for one hundred and sixty-five
years, and according to some accounts, the Jyotirmath was without a
lineage for over one thousand years. It is understood by all that the
revival of Jyotirmath was conducted by an Interim Foundation Committee.
The point the Tejas Walla wants to make is that Sri Guru Deva was a
Sannyasi of the Shankacharya Order, and as such, Sri Guru Deva had the
power to designate his own successor. This is fully supported by the
lawful Shankaracharya of Puri. The Tejas Walla recognizes the Sri Guru
Dev, not BECAUSE HE WAS AN INTERIM HEAD OF A PEETH, but because the Guru
Deva rediscovered an intelligent way to self-knowledge.
However, it is a fact that: my Shank guy, Sri Swami Vasudevananda, a
direct and long-time desciple of THREE Shankaracharyas beginning with
Sri Guru Dev, is recognized by the Indian High Court as the lawful
Shankacharya of Jyotirmath; my Shank guy has the Original Guru Dev High
Chair in his possession, the Holy Guru Dev Sandals, the Holy Guru Dev
Peeth itself, the Holy land that the Holy Guru Dev Peeth rests on, and
the Ashram in Allahabad bought for the Guru Dev by funds raised by the
Maharishi. It is also a fact that my Shank guy recently donated one lakh
(million) of rupees for disaster relief. It is also a fact that your
Swaroop Shank guy was recently blasted in the Times of India as being a
puppet for the Sonia-Ghandhi Chandra nexus and a threat to the Holy
Peeth of Shankaracharya Puri.
http://www.timesofindia.com
As for the rascals that you mention in your report, there is
considerable controversy concerning their credentials. In fact, the
Kanchi Math, which you so love, recognizes NOT ONE OF THE SHANKS IN
YOUR POST! LOL!
It is common knowledge among Adwaita devotees, and widely accepted in
scholarly circles, that Sri Adi Shankara never wrote the book you cite,
namely the 'Bhaja Govindam.'
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/bhaja1.html
By the way, did you realize that you just spammed on yourself in public
again? At the site you listed, the Tejas Walla found the following
information:
"Thus what the Vedantist implies is that the world is not unreal like
the existence of an offspring of a barren woman, but the world is unreal
like the mistaking of a rope to be a snake.
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/veda.html
What this shows is that YOUR CULT GODDESS IS AN ILLUSION, according to
Sri Adi Shankara. You spammed yourself real good this time bhogi!
It is interesting that you, the Beano Bhakta, would direct the Tejas
Walla to an Adwaita website where could be found this missive from Swami
Vivekananda concerning the real meaning of the 'Bhaja Govindam'
attributed to Sri Adi Shankara:
Meditate, O my mind, on the Lord Hari,
The stainless One, Pure spirit through and through.
How peerless is the Light that in Him shines !
How soul-bewitching is His wondrous form !
How dear is He to all His devotees !
Ever more beauteous in fresh blossoming love
That shames the splendour of a million moons
Like lightning gleams the glory of His form
Raising erect the hair for very joy
Worship his feet in the lotus of your heart
with mind serene and eyes made radiant
with heavenly love, behold that matchless sight.
Caught in the spell of His love's ecstasy,
Immerse yourself for evermore, O mind
In Him who is pure knowledge and pure bliss.
OM tat sat.
'The Yogas and Other Works'
by Swami Vivekananda
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/bhaja1.html
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Most politely you say...."
> considerable controversy concerning their credentials. In fact, the
> Kanchi Math, which you so love, recognizes NOT ONE OF THE SHANKS IN
> YOUR POST! LOL!
>> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/position/shank-jyot-ascii.html
>> <snip>Swarupananda had attended the 1979 meeting of the
>> Sankaracharyas at Sringeri, in his capacity as the Sankaracharya of
>> Jyotirmath. He also attended the funeral ceremonies of Swami
>> Abhinava Vidya Tirtha at Sringeri in 1989. In June 1993, a joint
>> statement was issued by the Sankaracharyas, in connection with the
>> Babri Masjid demolition, which Swarupananda Saraswati signed twice,
>> in his dual capacity as the head of both Dwaraka and Jyotirmath. And
as Jayendra Saraswati of the Kanchi matha has also signed the 1993
statement, I assume that he too accepts Swarupananda at both Dwaraka
and Jyotirmath.
<snip> "Indeed, the very presence of Jayendra Saraswati along with the
heads of the four Amnaya mathas is a marked change from the absence of
the Kanchi matha in the 1979 meeting of the Sankaracharyas, and is an
acknowledgement of the current political importance of this institution.
>> Clearly, at least in the eyes of these others, Swarupananda
>> Saraswati is the Sankaracharya of Jyotirmath, and also the
>> Sankaracharya of Dwaraka.
*HOW IS THE WEATHER ON YOUR PLANET??*
Best Regards
Steve Perino
In article <8rje8t$9vm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
steve_...@my-deja.com
Namaste
Most politely you say...(and I respond *Again*)
>In fact, the
> Kanchi Math, which you so love, recognizes NOT ONE OF THE SHANKS IN
> YOUR POST! LOL!
http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/dattajayanti98/kanchi98/kanc
hi98.html
On Dec 4th 1998, the day after the Dattatreya celebrations concluded,
Parama Pujya Sri Jayendra Saraswati Swamiji, >Shankaracharya of Kanchi
Kamakoti Peetham visited Avadhoota Datta Peetham.
The Shankaracharya was received at the entrance of the Ashrama and led
to Datta Temple, where Pujya Swamiji received the Shankaracharya and
Arati was performed to Lord Dattatreya. [end]
http://www.hinduismtoday.kauai.hi.us/ashram/Ministers/Jayendra/Jayendra.
html
><snip> His Holiness Sri Jayendra Saraswathi Swamigal is the presiding
Peetathipathi of Kamakoti Peetam, one of the foremost Hindu
institutions in the world. This ancient religious centre, just south of
Chennai in Tamil Nadu, was founded by Sri Adi Shankara. It has been
adorned by a successive unbroken line of illustrious Acharyas. [end]
http://www.ececs.uc.edu/~sradhakr/links/sankara.htm
<snip> In 505 BC, Aadi Shankaracharya was born in the small
village of Kaladi to Shivagura, a Vedic Brahman,
and his wife Arya. During his childhood, he manifested several signs
of a powerful scholar. What an average child could learn in twelve
years, *the child prodigy mastered in only one*.
More and More and More of "willi's" *Useless Wordfs* so Easily disputed
Best Regards
Steve Perino
In article <8rje8t$9vm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Lawson English
at tan...@bigfoot.com wrote on 10/8/00 5:37 PM:
> In article <B600EB48.63BB%eng...@primenet.com>, eng...@primenet.com
> says...
>> in article HKMC5.16210$YG5....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca, sudarsha at
>> suda...@attcanada.ca wrote on 10/4/00 1:52 PM:
>>
>>> seems the mantra business was lost soon after m got his hands on it ... the
>>> mantras just right for the individual? a bit of a sad joke, no? he started
>>> out with 2, one for men, 1 for women, and a story about how effective tm
>>> was: balances the whole nervous system, mantras just right for the specific
>>> individual! a quick peek at trancenet, by no means the total picture, will
>>> reveal that as he got more students he got more mantras ... but they are
>>> easily available as I have previously given examples of ... the Indian book
>>> stalls are full of mantra books to cure this and that, to ward off this and
>>> that ... what a marvellous coincidence that m should happen to "cognize"
>>> these very mantras whenever he happened to need a few more!
>>
>> Where did I *ever* say that MMY "cognized* the mantras? His contribution is
>> two-fold:
>>
>> 1) the technique
>> 2) the recognition that there are two types of people who need two different
>> types of mantras.
>>
> <...>
>
> Which means that if Mahesh is not “enlightened” then the whole house of
> cards falls apart.
Or not, as the case may be.
Joe Kellett
<...>
> The Depakage was to be the next Rishi because he had met the
> Real Rishi and wrote a book,
>
<...>
The use of the terms “next Rishi” and “real Rishi” assumes a fact not in
evidence, which is that Mahesh’s self-awarded title is in any way
deserved.
--Joe
Joe Kellett
<...>
> Many who got involved in the
> organization in the 70's got burned and have dedicated their life to revenge
> of this peaceful meditation technique.
<...>
There is the technique, and then there is Mahesh. Mahesh is not
“peaceful”. Rather, he is destructive either out of total incompetence,
or out of power-seeking combined with a lack of conscience.
Joe Kellett
> In article <thoC5.91$KF.1...@news.uswest.net>,
> "dp" <dpears...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >Steve what is your web link??
>
> This is it:
>
> http://www.isdl.org/
>
> However, you might also want to read about another TM fanatic who joined up
> with ISDL:
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly.shtml
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly2.shtml
>
> http://www.trancenet.org/personal/kelly3.shtml
>
>
>
Those that follow Mahesh’s teachings closely, and end up being hurt
anyway, are labeled “fanatic”.
TM has a rationalization for every psychological victim. Either you
didn’t follow instructions, or you did following instructions which
makes you a fanatic, or you had previous problems, or whatever it takes
to explain away the casualties.
Too much TM (that is, too much empty-minded dissociation) is toxic in
and of itself for many people.
--Joe
Joe Kellett
says...
> in article HKMC5.16210$YG5....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca, sudarsha at
> suda...@attcanada.ca wrote on 10/4/00 1:52 PM:
>
> > seems the mantra business was lost soon after m got his hands on it ... the
> > mantras just right for the individual? a bit of a sad joke, no? he started
> > out with 2, one for men, 1 for women, and a story about how effective tm
> > was: balances the whole nervous system, mantras just right for the specific
> > individual! a quick peek at trancenet, by no means the total picture, will
> > reveal that as he got more students he got more mantras ... but they are
> > easily available as I have previously given examples of ... the Indian book
> > stalls are full of mantra books to cure this and that, to ward off this and
> > that ... what a marvellous coincidence that m should happen to "cognize"
> > these very mantras whenever he happened to need a few more!
>
> Where did I *ever* say that MMY "cognized* the mantras? His contribution is
> two-fold:
>
> 1) the technique
> 2) the recognition that there are two types of people who need two different
> types of mantras.
>
<...>
Which means that if Mahesh is not “enlightened” then the whole house of
cards falls apart.
--Joe
-mikey
Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote:
> in article MPG.144ab2e72...@netnews.worldnet.att.net, Joe
Kellett
> at tan...@bigfoot.com wrote on 10/8/00 5:37 PM:
>
>
> --
> Reform is a state of mind.
> Vote with your mind, from your heart.
> Vote Reform, vote Hagelin 2000.
> Lawson English Tucson, Arizona
>
"A polititian is a fellow who
will lay down your life
for his country."
--Anon.--
GET OUT THERE AND VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE!!
sudarsha
will lay down your life
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willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
Author: willytex
Date: 10/10/2000
> Willytex wrote
> The Depakage was to be the next Rishi because he had met the
> Real Rishi and wrote a book,
>
>> The use of the terms 'next Rishi' and 'real Rishi' assumes a fact
>> not in evidence, which is that Mahesh’s self-awarded title is
>> in any way deserved.
>>
Rishi.' However, the title is very much deserved, in your case. After
all, when you were still in diapers, Maharishi saw your mantra. In this
sense, the 'Maharishi' will always be your 'Mahesh.' What more evidence
do you need?
As for the 'title' Maharishi, it would hardly seem likely for Maharishi
to choose this title if he wanted to make a name for himself. Most
likely, if he was an egomaniac, he would have chosen his own name
'Varma.' In fact, Mr. Varma was given the title 'Maharishi' by the
citizens of Kerala, according to 'Maharishi: The Biography' by Paul
Mason.
- The Tejas Walla
Reference:
'Maharishi: The Biography'
by Paul Mason
Element Books, 1996
Dan
>In fact, Mr. Varma was given the title 'Maharishi' by the
>citizens of Kerala, according to 'Maharishi: The Biography' by Paul
>Mason.
Interesting point, Willy. Anti-TM posts to this news group have
repeatedly said that MMY gave the title to himself, and even I started
to believe it. Just goes to show that you shouldn't believe
everything that you read.
Dan
H Bkta
That is a slippery one.
"Just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything that you read."
Are to believe what we read that willitex writes concerning what he implies he
read in a book?
hb
sudarsha
(presumably meaning "the title") just seemed to fit ... but exactly where it
came from he was mysterious about ... maybe he let someone think this title
was "their" idea ... would hardly be the first time such a thing happened;
it is difficult to imaging just exactly who in any position of authority
would give an early 30-ish, just out of the cave individual (whose only
claim to fame was being the gofer for the recently deceased Shankaracharya)
such an exhalted title ...
it remains an interesting issue of no small debate
"H Bkta" <hb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| >d...@nospam.com (Dan)
| That is a slippery one.
| "Just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything that you read."
dp
YES .....NEVER, EVER BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY IN ANYONE'S BS! (Belief System)
dp
"Dan" <d...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:39e50f2c....@news.iinet.net.au...
> On 11 Oct 2000 19:29:30 GMT, hb...@aol.com (H Bkta) wrote:
>
> >That is a slippery one.
> >"Just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything that you read."
> >Are to believe what we read that willitex writes concerning what he
implies he
> >read in a book?
> >
>
> HB
>
> My advise is to take everything you read on this news group with a
> grain of salt. This also applies to trancenet as well as the official
> movement web sites.
>
> Dan
Dan
>That is a slippery one.
>"Just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything that you read."
willytex
Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
Author: willytex
Date: 10/12/2000
> Willytex wrote
> In fact, Mr. Varma was given the title 'Maharishi' by the citizens
> of Kerala, according to 'Maharishi: The Biography' by Paul Mason.
>
>> YES .....NEVER, EVER BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY IN ANYONE'S BS! (Belief
System)
>>
sure NOT to read any of the books I reccommend, especially the critical
account called 'Maharishi: The Biography' a title NOT for TMers.
However, believe only half of what you think.
According to Paul Mason, Maharishi was in fact the most accomplished of
all the Guru Dev disciples. I have it on good authority that it was the
Maharishi who actually raised most of the money for the rebuilding of
the Jyotirmath Peeth.
- The Tejas Walla
vic bonds
-mikey wrote:
> In article <B600ACF7.629F%eng...@primenet.com>,
> Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote:
> > You're aware, of course, that when that interview was done, there was
> > ANOTHER Shankaracharya recognized ....snip....
>
> You guys crack me up!! Arguing about which guru is the *rightful* aire
> to the throne. Which one we should rightfully be following. Which
> technique we should be using. LOL
The Ones for america..and england..Paul McCartney george.
also john jr..sean
but. Chopak is very prominant and very loving..very quiet..
Carlos and His twin..seem to be there also.
I have been doing my own guru tree..
I am called guru dev ma..and the twin of carlos guru dev..
You must allow the 2nd generation to get married
i think it is all of us..david bowie and his black wife
imam
and micheal jackson
the leader perhaps Chopak
but there are Hindi Masters as Well.
God is the One that seems to Pick the Leader.
do listen up to counsel..
I frega, the lesser prophet have been a disciple of His Holiness
Maharishi and Learning about His Powers and Love..
He Has been showing Me things about Becoming..
A Lion Prophetess.
the best advice I can give to all of you is from my own
experience, and it is rough..
what saves me is God and His Prophets,
including the Bahai Faith, Bahaullah
the Bab and their INstructions about
how to behave..
Prophets, Rama Krishna Returned
like unto Maha
and, His disciples..have been with Me
for the Last 5 years real real strong..
and we all are up there near His Holiness.
What I am hoping and praying for as the others
is to be strong enough to help Maha
so that He may live 50 more years..
for He really is very very deep into the
Deep..He is a Whale of Light in the Cosmic
Ocean that is so profound that I am witnessing
Him everyday with His Beauty..demonstrated
in the other worlds of God..
I keep being shifted like unto don Juan
shifting carloses appendage point
where I am in a different world
with a body like unto this one
but I see the angelic creatures
and the vampires preying upon me
I see the Prophets as well,
including Maharishi ,,interdemensionally
He takes me up and down with the above
we feel like a yo yo
now..and I think don juan told
Carlos that this would happen
to him...
vicbonds
>
>
> Which one is liberating his students? Which one doesn't care about who
> his followers are, but what they've realized and who they love?
> Freedom from (attachment to) the "guru-tree", should be the message.
> *Individual* enlightenment, so as all people *know*. Not
> just "masters", but all people.
>
> When everyone knows, what happens to the "guru-tree"? Who needs it
> then?
>
> Shankaracharya doesn't mean diddly, unless if you think it does. Do
> you guys really need someone to look up to that badly? Isn't something
> happening inside of you that precludes that need? Shouldn't there be?
> Why are we so attached to these gurus? .... fear?
>
> The politics of spirituality? Not that enlightening.
>
> -mikey
>
> "Although I saw the executioner and the fire,
> I could not say anything but what I have said."
> --Joan D'Arc
vic bonds
willytex wrote:
> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: Deepak Chopra & TM
> Subject: The Great Varma Yogi.
> Author: willytex
> Date: 10/10/2000
> > Willytex wrote
> > The Depakage was to be the next Rishi because he had met the
> > Real Rishi and wrote a book,
> >
> >> Joe Kellett wrote
> >> The use of the terms 'next Rishi' and 'real Rishi' assumes a fact
> >> not in evidence, which is that Mahesh’s self-awarded title is
> >> in any way deserved.
> >>
> Joe - It was the Depakage that said that the Maharishi was the 'real
> Rishi.'
THIS MAY BE TRUE..HE WRITES THE PATH OF LOVE..
AND ALL PRACTICAL HEALING DATA..
IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR NORMAL EARTH LIFE
AND YET POINTS TO THE SPIRITUAL LIFE
I AM A BAHAI AND WATCHED A LECTURE A FEW
YEARS AGO AND IT WAS LIKE MY PROPHET TALKING
I KNEW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT HE WAS GOING
TO SAY..HE WAS BEING FED DATA..HE IS
WHAT WE CALL AN ASCENDED MASTER
FOR I HAVE ASCENDED IN THE MEANTIME
AND THIS IS WHAT HEAVEN DOES..THEY
GIVE YOU PERTANENT INFOR TO SPEAK ON
AND WE ARE ALMOST AS SURPRISED AS THE
LISTENERS..
WE ASK HEAVEN WHERE ARE WE GOING
WITH THIS DATA AND ALWAYS ARE
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED..BECAUSE
IT HAS A TWIST..AT THE END.
I COULD TELL YOU SOME FUNNY THINGS
ABOUT MAHA AND CHOPRA EVEN PAUL..
BUT..
BASICALLY I WOULD SAY THAT CHOPRA
IS THE ONE TO LOVE..
HE IS EVER NEAR ME..
AND ABLE TO LOVE IN EVERY WAY..
OF A YOGI...AND MASTER..
WHAT I FAVOR IS THAT HE CAN GET
UP HIGH..MAHARISHI HAD HIM
AND I MEDITATE IN HIGH HOLY
WITH MAHARISHI , IT WAS GOOD..
NATURALLY CHOPAK IS A GOOD LOVER
A VERY GOOD ONE..
AND, IT IS HARD TO LOVE
IN SPIRIT DIRECTLY FOR THE MAKING
OF FIRE WITHIN..
IT IS PERILOUS IN THE UNDERWORLD
AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE
RAW BODIES WITH DEATH ADVISING
US IN THE ABYSS..
SO, THERE ARE THOSE OF US THAT
MEET IN ECLIPSE..TO SAVE EACH OTHERS
LIVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THE PATH OF A MASTER..AND PROPHET
IS NOT EASY..AND IT REALLY SUPRISES
ME WHEN ONE CAN RUN A BUSINESS TOO..
SOMETIMES I WISH I WERE MORE BUSY..
FOR..BEING IN THE ABYSS ALL THE TIME
IS VERY HARD ON ME..
I KEEP PRAYING THAT I CAN SOMEHOW
CATCH A RIDE IN TO A BAHAI FIRESIDE
FOR THEY ARE THE WONDERFUL
PLACE TO BE..
I WANT TO WORK IN THE OFFICE
OF BAHAI INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS..
NEAR THE UNITED NATIONS..
THEY DO UNICEF, ENVIROMENTAL
CONCERNS, AND, POLITICAL PRISONERS..
ALSO THE UNITY OF THE UNITED NATIONS
AND THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD..
THEY GO AFTER PEACE..
I HAVE SO MUCH TO DO AND YET
I FIND MYSELF A PRISONER
HERE LIKE I WAS BAHAULLAH
OR JESUS IN JAIL..
IT COMES WITH THE LESSER PROPHETESS
STATION THAT I WAS BORN TO..
CHOPRA IS ODIN AMONG OTHER LESSER
GODS LIKE RAMA OF HIS AREA OR INDIA..
THE REAL PRINCE..
MAHA IS ALSO LIKE WISE..HE IS THE DON
JUAN OF THE GROUP..HE IS ON THE KINGLY
LINE OF DON JUAN'S AND WAS ONE WITH HIM
DOING HIS PARTICULAR TEACHING AND
EXECUTIVE DUTIES IN RESPECT TO
MASS MEDIA UPLIFTING OF MASS
CONSCIOUSNESS ...EACH PROPHET
OF QUETZALCOATL DOES SOMETHING
SPECIAL..
AGAIN, I HUMBLY WONDER WHAT I AM TO DO..
I WAS BABY OF THE GROUP..
I JUST WOKE UP ABOUT 4 YEARS AGO REAL BAD..
AND, MY LIFE IS PRACTICALLY OVER..
I HAVE WRITTEN AS A HISTORIAN THE MAIN
PLAYERS AND WHAT IS A QUETZALCOATL
HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE TIMECAPSULED
THAT IS WHAT IS PROMISED.
I AM SUPPOSE TO DO PIE IN THE SKY
QUETZALCOATL SATILLITE BUT..
AGAIN I CANT EVEN COME NEAR
THE UNESCO COMMITTEE IN LUCID
WAYS OF COMMAND..WHERE
I COULD START A FLOW TOWARD
EDUCATIONAL LIBERATION FOR THE PLANET
ON FREE COMPULSORY EDUCATION FOR ALL
EVEN IN THE SMALL VILLAGES..
I JUST NEED A RIDE TO A BAHAI FIRESIDE..
TO THE RIGHT ONE..WHERE I CAN
FLY TO THE GOAL WITH THEM..
I HAVE A PACKAGE FOR THE WORLD
AND THE BAHAIS ARE WORKING WITH
UNESCO..
SO..I PRAY AND PRAY AND PRAY AND PRAY..
ANYWAY..
I VOTE FOR CHOPRA AT LEAST IN THE ENGLISH
DEPT THOUGH I KNOW MANY ARE GOOD
FOR THE ORIENT THAT ARE HINDI..AND MULTI
RELIO9GIONAL..
THANK YOU..
VICTORIA BONDS
> However, the title is very much deserved, in your case. After
> all, when you were still in diapers, Maharishi saw your mantra. In this
> sense, the 'Maharishi' will always be your 'Mahesh.' What more evidence
> do you need?
>
> As for the 'title' Maharishi, it would hardly seem likely for Maharishi
> to choose this title if he wanted to make a name for himself. Most
> likely, if he was an egomaniac, he would have chosen his own name
> 'Varma.' In fact, Mr. Varma was given the title 'Maharishi' by the
> citizens of Kerala, according to 'Maharishi: The Biography' by Paul
> Mason.
>
> - The Tejas Walla
>
> Reference:
>
> 'Maharishi: The Biography'
> by Paul Mason
> Element Books, 1996
vic bonds
I have a feeling Deepak is a King..unseated..and Holy..as a Lesser Prophet.
you need to be a little more respectful...
The jive is cool for you and I delight in it..but..
being One of the Leaders of Tm in the way of being
Rama Krishnas return, the Maharishi..
and His Disciple or Monkey that is Faithful.
you need to be respectful..
Chopra is struggling to return Me to Rama
in that I am Sita..His Wife..
I am the Black Sun..
of the Eagle..for Lesser Prophets..
I am Frega in English..He would be Odin.
You see...
You need to be More respectful..
Maharishi showed me your spot
in the dreamtime bardos..
and you are loud..ha..
we , including paul m..
laughed..because you are not
beyond words and meanings..
you are truley the Lion Prophet in Hell..
with all the significance..ha..
Maharishi thought it might be good
if you caught some real Vampires
that know their business from Me.
for I have been stolen by the Dark
Socerer of left hand black Magic..
and the three witches..
and, Chopra strives to steal me back..
and bring Sita Home to Maharishi
or Rama..
what is happening is
my Light tantra is too popular
and i have too many
heavy satanics clinging to Me
that are rock satanic
vampires of the Dead Resurrected
or the Lion Prophets of Stone
and the One true God..
I must have 15 nephiliums
flying off of me..and they
are legions..
for their leaders are merciless..
and self justifying everything
they do..
God is the One that Saves
Chopra, paul, Maha, and I..
and Carlos looks like he
is going to come down on
them this april with an auto biography
that explains how they go about
ensnaring john , linda, and
presidents, gurus, prophets
royalty and their God Power
or Nagual Power and then
turn around and use it
selling it turning everone
into a vampire..on the planet..
vic bonds.
willytex wrote:
> Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Thread: Deepak Chopra
> Subject: The report of a true bhogi fakir.
> Date: 10/02/2000
> Author: Willytex
> > DP wrote
> > Could someone please post info on Deepak Chopras
> > primordial sound meditation versus TM? Is it the
> > same or modified somewhat? Also, can someone relate
> > the history of Deepak breaking with MMY & TM?
> >
> Dear DP - The Depakage was to be the next Rishi because he had met the
> Real Rishi and wrote a book, and had learned from the Real Rishi and
> the Real Rishi liked the Deepak even though the Deepak never completed
> a real TTC, but because he was a wannabe Real Rishi, the Real Rishi
> thought the Deepak might deserve some more recognition, so the Real
> Rishi gave to the Deepak the job of reviving the Ayerved, which the
> Deepak started to do, but the Deepak went to far and started blabbing
> all over the place about this and that new technique, and getting into
> trouble with journalistic authorities and so the Real Rishi fired the
> Deepak. Now the Deepak is the Depakage.
>
> The Tejas Walla knows all about the Depakage and the primordial sound,
> the surat shabd sound, the mantra sound, the Augie Meyer Sound, and the
> sound of sounds. The Tejas Walla has been exposed to many different
> kinds of sounds over a period of many years. Some effective, some not,
> and the Tejas Walla has adopted some of the sounds into his own
> sadhana. In his exhuberant youth he was somewhat of an extremist
> hankering after sounds of all kinds and he loved the stink of Zen and
> Yoga. He wanted to leave not one sound unheard in his search for the
> Sound Way.
>
> At one point, the Tejas Walla got very upset because all the egomaniacs
> he came into contact with thought they knew more sounds than the Tejas
> Walla himself. Tejas Walla got into a fight with a well-known Vajra
> Master in Middleton, because the Vajra Master was obviously trying to
> steal some of the cute cuddly chicks with the horn rimmed glasses from
> the Tejas Walla commune. The Vajra Master was jealous because the Tejas
> Walla had the largest hippie ashram in the world. The insidious Vajra
> Master succeeded in ensnaring one of the favorite wives of the Tejas
> Walla, one called Lokati, with promises of instant tantric sound
> ecstasy.
>
> This hurt the ego of the Tejas Walla, so the Tejas Walla vowed then and
> there to become an egomaniac himself, and to know MORE SOUNDS THAN ANY
> OTHER MAN ALIVE and more about the med sets and the yogas and the
> mudras and the mantras and the metaphysics. The Tejas Walla wanted to
> ensure that no locked-leg, shaven-headed, mumble-jumble spouting know-
> it-all, tow-in-ear bugger with a stick would ever get away with that
> kind of bhoginess with him again. To this end, it has been the main
> goal of the Tejas Walla to get more sounds to write many tomes, and to
> return someday to that dumpy little so-called 'dojo in a gulch barn,'
> and to tell that short-fat, cigar smokin', punk burnin', dakini-
> stealing, big-shot Mahabodhi wannabe sitting on a roshi high chair a
> sound or two.
>
> The Tejas Walla would walk right up to that overrated intellectual
> giant, look him right in his blood-shot third eye and SHOOT HIM THE
> BIRD IN TWENTY_SEVEN SEPERATE LANGUAGES! But see 'Crazy Wisdom,' a book
> by Georg Fuerstein, which includes a full report concerning the strange
> case of Master Adi Da Samraj, a true bhogi fakir TRICKSTER if there
> ever was one! DP, be warned!
>
> Well, the Tejas Walla got over the loss of his favorite dakini to a
> cult, and now the Tejas Walla has Rita who plays spunds on a mean Vina,
> and knows the Sound Way. And what is the Sound Way? The Sound Way is
> the avoidance of extreme sounds. How to avoid extreme sounds? Do not
> extremely avoid sounds! Just so.
>
> All this tells you but little about the Depakage, the Maharishi,
> meditation and meditation sets. And why? Because the Sound Way cannot
> be learned from surfing the Internet, nor by reading many books, nor by
> adopting a particular uniform, nor by telling tall tales, nor by doing
> a particular song and dance or by wandering the face of this earth in
> search of meetings with remarkable men and women. Tejas Walla
> say "There are many sounds from the other shore. When you arrive at the
> other shore, you find no sounds, and no other shore, and no Sound Way."
>
> - The Tejas Walla
>
> Reference:
>
> 'Crazy Wisdom'
> by Georg Fuerstein
>
> 'The Strange Case of Adi Da'
> The Ken Wilber Forum
>
> 'Spiritual Choices'
> by Ken Wilber