Deepak Chopra on Bill Maher Tonight
Bhairitu
smurf
> I hope he's on the panel:http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/?ntrack_para1=feat_main_image
I dont, he's totally fake
Lawson English
Eh, I knew Deepak back when calling him Deepak meant you knew him
personally or knew his staff personally, at least.
The TMO spent a LOT of time and money creating him.
Bhairitu
making "spiritual lite" accessible to the masses.
smurf
with that. In fact I hate this kinda marketing, like Dr. Weil (who
speaks thru a privet hedge) guess there is something significant about
people who grow massive beards??
and his "healthy" styles. Read Thomas Cleary and take it from there.
Lawson English
Where do you think he learned about ayurveda?
pundit_moderator
> Where do you think he learned about ayurveda?
>
buddhapest
"Lawson English" <Law...@nowhere.none> wrote in message
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on the back of his corn flakes box?
pundit_moderator
> >
> on the back of his corn flakes box?
>
Hari M. Sharma and Brispati Dev Triguna.
buddhapest
"pundit_moderator" <pundit_m...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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you're probably right. deeppockets chopra
would probably have a lot of trouble reading
a corn flakes box.
Bhairitu
accessible to others. Chopra did a good job doing that. You're just
sore he didn't keep on praising MMY.
Bhairitu
it is about keeping your body in balance. It is often easier to follow
than ayurveda.
Lawson English
Hageln's initial books on ayurveda were all ghost-written by people in
the TMO.
Bhairitu
had already read Dr. Vasant Lad's book and knew more about ayurveda than
was presented at their presentation which I paid $185 for. Even after
they announced that only people with serious illness problems should
take the consultation appointments the "usual suspects" of course
crowded in and took them anyway.
Ayurveda can be taught very simply. I have a Indian friend who is an MD
who does it very well. His parents were both allopathic physicians but
he learned ayurveda from his grandfather by following him around as he
visited patients. So it was more of a "village style" ayurveda.
Lawson English
Which doesn't address my point. Chopra has never been a practicing
vaidya--even a TM one.
Bhairitu
Lawson English
So your example of someone who "does it very well" doesn't describe
Chopra. He doesn't practice ayurveda, as far as I know. He talks about it.
pundit_moderator
> He doesn't practice ayurveda, as far as I know.
>
to Maharishi - TM is ayerveda. All that theoretical stuff about the
doshas is just talk - a diet is anything, mental or physical, that the
body consumes.
Bhairitu
dollar will get you cup of coffee at 7-11. :D
Lawson English
Ah, but does he even do that? MMY never trained him as a TM teacher, and
he seldom teaches the Quantum Healing technique. Perhaps he teaches his
"Quantum Meditation" technique, but my impression is that he mostly just
lectures and writes new age stuff.
Lawson English
Have you heard that he practices ayurveda? Where? He has MDs and vaidyas
to do that stuff. He lectures. He certainly dosn't practice medicine, by
his own declaration.
pundit_moderator
> > according to Maharishi - TM is ayerveda.
> >
> Ah, but does he even do that?
>
him, what saved his life.
> MMY never trained him as a TM teacher,
>
There's no training required to teach TM - that's just more Marshy
talk. I've been teaching people how to meditate for years and I never
spent six months in a Lazy Boy recliner inside a hotel. Teaching
someone how to meditate is dirt simple and takes only a few minutes.
In my opinion, all that training at TTC is a waste of time. But I
guess it takes months for some people to memorize the TM puja. Go
figure.
> and he seldom teaches the Quantum Healing technique.
>
Maybe so.
> Perhaps he teaches his "Quantum Meditation" technique, but
> my impression is that he mostly just lectures and writes new age stuff.
>
Deepak has taught Quantum Meditation to people for years around
Hollywood. Apparently Deepak has a thriving private practice, complete
with a checking proceedure.
Bhairitu
Lawson English
Based on his intuition of which aspects fit with his understanding of Veda.
Bhairitu
bet that Chopra has a pretty good understanding. Probably better than MMY.
On what basis do you believe that MMY's understanding of Veda is correct?
Lawson English
Doubtful.
> On what basis do you believe that MMY's understanding of Veda is correct?
Same reason I suspect that Chopra has less understanding that MMY.
Bhairitu
a much more advanced level than MMY. I've seen videos where MMY
deferred to experts on topics that he only knew a little about. No big
deal.
smurf
Probably from a Kelloggs CornFlake box!
Lawson English
Yeah, but who gave him the box?
buddhapest
"Lawson English" <Law...@nowhere.none> wrote in message
see? i'm not the only one who thinks
that deepockets chopra is a little flaky
Bhairitu
smurf
I really dont get this. If you are Indian, and you have an address at
Varanasi and come to the West and call yourself an Avatar, or you have
an address in Hubei province in China and call yourself a Chi Kung
Master, we should all bow and scrape to this. Get a life. Why do
Americans suspend critical judgement just because someone has a handle
to their name which in most cases has no provenance!!!. When you buy a
new car, do you suspend your judgement when doing this??. Use your
head and check these guys out. What goes around comes around. In the
wagon train days there were a whole lot of patent medicine guys and
snake oil salesmen. So they have got updated with the internet and
slick marketing guys. Open you eyes!!
Lawson English
I guess you're talking about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, not Deepak...
MMY is a controversial character, for sure but don't assume that he is
without credentials, even if most of the Shankaracharya tradition hates
him these days. The oldest and closest disciples of his own guru
respected him, or so they claimed. Tate Wale Babba tolerated MMY sitting
with his hand on his knee while talking to someone, and MMY's own guru,
the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, had MMY answer all his mail and run
the mundane aspects of the math for him.
Bhairitu
the TM movement back in the 80's. I've been to India and am a Sidh
Tantric having studied with a Tantric Samrat (top level of tantra) and
am working on the Tantra Shastri level. I didn't scape at all to get
this teaching nor bow outside of the traditional Indian courtesies. With
a personal guru it is much more like taking lessons from a music
teacher. There is no big organization or "movement." No cult to get
caught up in. It is just damn hard for the average person to find the
"real deal" but they are out there. As for ayurveda I have studied that
as well as jyotish and know some Sanskrit (as well as Hindi). All of
these were obtained through reasonably priced weekend workshops with
folks the like of Dr. Robert Svoboda, Hart DeFouw, KN Rao and others. A
trip to India is invaluable to get the real picture of Indian spirituality.
Lawson English
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> No, you shouldn't have to bow and scape to get these teachings. I left
> the TM movement back in the 80's. I've been to India and am a Sidh
> Tantric having studied with a Tantric Samrat (top level of tantra) and
> am working on the Tantra Shastri level. I didn't scape at all to get
> this teaching nor bow outside of the traditional Indian courtesies. With
> a personal guru it is much more like taking lessons from a music
> teacher. There is no big organization or "movement." No cult to get
> caught up in. It is just damn hard for the average person to find the
> "real deal" but they are out there. As for ayurveda I have studied that
> as well as jyotish and know some Sanskrit (as well as Hindi). All of
> these were obtained through reasonably priced weekend workshops with
> folks the like of Dr. Robert Svoboda, Hart DeFouw, KN Rao and others. A
> trip to India is invaluable to get the real picture of Indian spirituality.
>
And who defines "real" spirituality?
Bhairitu
smurf
I have seen some of the Ayervedic preparations and the FDA would go
ballistic if that kind of medicine were
pratised here. A lot of the ingredients could be considered to be
toxic at a minimum or placebo at best. The Old West had its share of
Snake Oil guys, so does India, China, Uganda, and New Orleans (if you
are into Vodoo). This is symptomatic
of a Western Society which has lost faith in Western Medicine, either
because of high cost, or just propaganda, so now its' head East
instead of head West. Pretty sad when you think of all the Chopras out
there cashing in on this with PBS specials, DVD's, Books and
appearence seminars. All of which, of course are not free. There are
some folk out there who will charge something very basic to cover
their bus fare and the rental of a Hall to impart what they have. They
are the real people I find. But hey, this is America, where everyone
can merchandise what they want. Caveat Emptor. Maybe I should give
some serious thought about getting into this game. But maybe I dont
like taking money off of folk who are seriously ill. It's called
morality and avoiding coming back as a centipede!
Bhairitu
the public. A lot of their shit doesn't work or is so toxic people wind
up for years dealing with the side effects. The drug companies have
turned physicians into little more than drug pushers. Have you been to a
doctor or dentist lately and see how much they gouge? Try paying for
your own health insurance where they gouge you if you are a little
overweight with a 50% surcharge. I can see a 10 or 15% surcharge but 50
is outrageous. Just a scam so their CEOs can take billion dollar
salaries like the scumbag CEO of United Healthcare.
Yes, there are ayurvedic scammers in India. I visited with a professor
of ayurveda at Benares Hindu University who told me what the scammers do
like put a tiny bit of the herb in the product and fill it up with other
stuff. They had to take the labels off the university's ayurvedic
garden or else people would come in an rip off the plants.
But ayurveda is very powerful and you can use a lot of herbs that you
have in the kitchen to keep you out of the doctor's office. I highly
recommend Vasant Lad's "The Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies"
which will help keep you out of the doctor's office for many things.
WillyTex
> I think he has some good ideas in the area of ayurveda and has done well
> making "spiritual lite" accessible to the masses.
>
renowned life coach Deepak Chopra, discussed spirituality and meditation
with Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswati, author of the newly-released, bestselling
memoir ‘Hollywood to the Himalayas.’"
Deepak Chopra on ‘Hollywood to the Himalayas’
https://www.newsindiatimes.com/deepak-chopra-sadhvi-bhagawati-discuss-newly-released-book-hollywood-to-the-himalayas/