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Frank Kidd

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Dec 29, 2002, 5:02:17 PM12/29/02
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Hello everyone! I've been having alot of neck and back pain for over 3 years
now. Alot of the damage was done by sitting at my computer with horrible
posture for long periods of time. After waiting so long I finally broke down
and went to emergency to see a Doctor. They admitted me for 3 weeks and put
me on medication for sleep, pain, and depression. The drugs I'm taking is
Naproxen (doesn't do anything), Flexeril(helps a little bit), Elavil. I have
numbness throughout my whole body but mostly in my upper body like face,
arms, fingers, neck and back. I really think I should see a specialist on
fibro after I finish college(Computer programming) in May 2003. I wanted to
know a bit more about the medication I'm taking and if it's worth it.
Without it I'm in so much pain and even when I'm on the medication I'm still
in alot of pain but at least I actually get some sleep. I wake up and I'm so
stiff, dry mouth (from the meds I guess) and eyes (huge black circles under
them). I had alot of constipation/diarrhea, abdominal pain and gas
(burping/flatulence) before the medication and now I have solid bowel
movements because I'm starting to eat finally. I'm only 120lbs, 5"11, 25
years of age and I still haven't finished puberty(I don't get it). I live in
a small town so the doctors here can't really do anything for me so I'm
going to take a trip to Toronto this spring to get an MRI for my back/neck
and hopefully see a fibro specialist. It's gotten so bad that even if I sit
up/stand straight I still feel a throbbing/burning/numbness through my whole
spine WITH MEDICATION!! Any information or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated! :(((

Mockingbird878

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Dec 29, 2002, 5:38:59 PM12/29/02
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Hi Frank,

I am sorry you are having so much pain.

You were hospitalized for 3 weeks. What diagnosis did they give you?

I think you should see a specialist and the sooner the better. Internist,
Rheumatolgist, just get it checked, so you can get an MRI done and a diagnosis.

You also, obviously need pain control. You aren't on any pain med. Naproxin is
an NSAID. Flexeril a muscle relaxant and elavil an antidepressant which can
sometimes help with pain:
http://www.rxlist.com/
Please try to get to Toronto as soon as you can for evaluation.

Debby>Hello everyone! I've been having alot of neck and back pain for over 3

Mare

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Dec 29, 2002, 6:02:15 PM12/29/02
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Hi, Frank. I'm an FMer in Ottawa. Check out Dr. Devin's website at
http://www.sover.net/~devstar/. She's got a lot of good info there. You
really need to see a rheumotologist who will tell you whether or not you
have fibro. Next is getting the lack of sleep/pain cycle broken. Less
sleep means more pain and more pain equals less sleep. It's a vicious
cycle. Everyone reacts differently to meds so you have to find one that
works for you. I use Flexeril 10 mgs at bedtime and wouldn't get any sleep
without it but there are others who find it does diddly squat for them. I
use Ice Gel on my back and that gives me temporary relief. Also, massage
and I found a good chiropractor. Getting referred to a Pain Clinic would
help too. It's all trial and error. Good luck and let us know how it
goes. Mare


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Deirdre Saoirse Moen

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Dec 29, 2002, 7:17:11 PM12/29/02
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In article <ChKP9.744$8n5.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Frank Kidd"
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> Hello everyone! I've been having alot of neck and back pain for over 3 years
> now. Alot of the damage was done by sitting at my computer with horrible
> posture for long periods of time. After waiting so long I finally broke down
> and went to emergency to see a Doctor. They admitted me for 3 weeks and put
> me on medication for sleep, pain, and depression. The drugs I'm taking is
> Naproxen (doesn't do anything),

Naproxen is an anti-inflammatory. To the extent that it does relieve pain,
it does so by relieving inflammation.

> Flexeril(helps a little bit), Elavil. I have
> numbness throughout my whole body but mostly in my upper body like face,
> arms, fingers, neck and back.

Ok, this is a really scary symptom, and could be many things other than
fibromyalgia. Like MS.

This really needs an MRI/Cat scan to ensure that you don't have
neurological damage.

> I really think I should see a specialist on
> fibro after I finish college(Computer programming) in May 2003. I wanted to
> know a bit more about the medication I'm taking and if it's worth it.
> Without it I'm in so much pain and even when I'm on the medication I'm still
> in alot of pain but at least I actually get some sleep. I wake up and I'm so
> stiff, dry mouth (from the meds I guess) and eyes (huge black circles under
> them).

Elavil can have dry mouth effects, but I'm not sure about the other two.

I'd also ask for a sleep study. A lot of healing processes occur during
sleep and, from all the other things you've mentioned, it sounds like you
may have fundamental problems there. A rheumatologist, no matter how good,
isn't someone who can do that (except in the referral). Read William
Dement's _The Promise of Sleep_.

Disclaimer: I have moderate fibro and am in the process of getting
treatment for sleep apnea (I have a CPAP machine, which has helped
immensely with pain because I'm getting better sleep). So recognize that
my hobby horse is better sleep.

--
_Deirdre http://deirdre.net
"Ideally pacing should look like the stock market for the year 1999, up
and up and up, but with lots of little dips downwards...."
-- Wen Spencer on plotting a novel

J

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Dec 29, 2002, 8:37:29 PM12/29/02
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Frank Kidd wrote:

> Hello everyone! I've been having alot of neck and back pain for over 3 years
> now. Alot of the damage was done by sitting at my computer with horrible

> posture for long periods of time. []. I'm only 120lbs, 5"11, 25


> years of age and I still haven't finished puberty(I don't get it). I live in
> a small town so the doctors here can't really do anything for me so I'm
> going to take a trip to Toronto this spring to get an MRI for my back/neck
> and hopefully see a fibro specialist. It's gotten so bad that even if I sit
> up/stand straight I still feel a throbbing/burning/numbness through my whole
> spine WITH MEDICATION!!

Hi Frank,
I'm from near London, Ontario.
I think the above is a good idea (MRI back/neck) or some test/specialist to
check you for some spine problems.
Spine problems can result in a lot of the symptoms you mentioned and can pass
off as being "fibro" but the healthier your spine is the better you'll be, fibro
or not.
Think ergonomics as far as doing computer work (stations and seats) and
posture. And maybe even physiotherapy and/or stretching exercises. (if nothing
shows up on your spine tests). Of course there's always conditions like
sciolosis.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/scoliosis.html

There's a picture here of what areas of the body the spine affects
http://www.eastbaychiropractic.com/which/howtheyconnect.html#sympathetic

I'm the one who mostly says get other things ruled out first.
Yes, Elavil can cause weight gain and dry mouth, so you have to see to dental
care. It also tends to constipate, so might be countering the reverse, (if you
were having the big D problem). It also encourages deep sleep, but I sure hope
you can get the spine problems sorted out and then maybe go on to counter a
sedentary school/work life with a very physically active "after hours" times.
The guys I used to work with were programmers and realized how important keeping
fit was to counter the sitting all day. Too bad, I didn't find that out until
35 years into working in yucky places with the wrong office furniture etc.
Hope you do better than me. Maybe even get to the point that you won't need
meds at all.
Best,
J


J

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Dec 29, 2002, 9:37:18 PM12/29/02
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Frank Kidd wrote:

Frank,
here's some stuff about numbness and/or paresthesia Both have different
possible causes of same (but slightly different ones listed)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003206.htm
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/paresthesia.htm

and if you're into looking up your meds, try http://www.rxlist.com and use the
search box.

It really seems unusual to me that you'd have such severe pain at such a young
age AND that you were in hospital for so long, yet what tests did they run?
What exactly did they rule out and/or diagnose you with?

The other thing to check out is something to do with the neck, which can refer
pain to the face, arms hands etc.
Of course, it's possible that you've got carpal tunnel and a separate spine
problem.

I'm not at all sure that I get your comment about puberty, since you're 25 years
old now, an adult. Are you pulling our legs, if so quit it <g>

Lots of ideas to work on there.
Best,
J
PS you forgot to tell us about the asthma too.

Michael Baugh

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Dec 29, 2002, 10:10:14 PM12/29/02
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Frank Kidd

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Dec 30, 2002, 2:21:31 AM12/30/02
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WHAT THE HELL?? How did you know I have asthma??

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Katka3

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Dec 30, 2002, 2:40:18 AM12/30/02
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Sorry - sure sounds like fibro. You are taking the normal starting meds -
muscle relaxers would help and something for pain. The naprosyn doesn't help
unless you have arthritis. I hope you find a good doc. In the meantime since
computers are your life learn to stretch while at them - my husband has some
kind of program that pops up and tells him to do something.Exercise would help
you alot and massage if you can get it. Good luck,
Kathi
A perfectly wonderful person

Katka3

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Dec 30, 2002, 2:44:29 AM12/30/02
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>WHAT THE HELL?? How did you know I have asthma??
>

????

Randy

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Dec 30, 2002, 4:20:05 AM12/30/02
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FWIW,

I didn't really hit puberty until my early twenties... made studying that
much easier, not having *those* thoughts on my mind.
It's been a L-O-N-G, slow process. I'm finally getting facial hair (at 40)
and it's coming in gray... what a bitch. I was also very thin until maybe
three years ago, similar to what this poster has said (but more like 6' and
135# at that age; now I'm 6'1" and 175#). I think hormones are implicated.
Maybe/probably not causative, but correlated... weight gain might just be
from the gallons of ice cream and pounds of chocolate I've been drowning
myself in... ;~)

I was going to ask if this poster were also a male, which would make my
analysis easier than if it were a female posting under a male email addy...
haven't found out yet but hope to through reading...

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Randy

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Dec 30, 2002, 4:26:59 AM12/30/02
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Yep, unless there are markers for RA (or OA?), drop the NSAIDS and spare
your gut. I wish I had...

Alexander Technique supposedly teaches pain relief through posture... there
is a "ladder" of pain meds a doctor is to follow in trying to treat the
symptom of pain, at least until they find a treatable cause. If no cause (or
no treatable cause) can be found after thorough testing (I went through 6
thorough years, followed by almost another decade of dwindling returns
before getting here), there are medicines doctors can prescribe for you long
term, although many will not because of unfounded or unrealistic fears. If
your pain is substantial enough to interfere with your life, you deserve
whatever it takes to obtain at least a modicum of relief (if that's all
that's possible).


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J

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Dec 30, 2002, 4:41:31 AM12/30/02
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Hi Frank,
We tend to not use that language around here, when possible.
I checked the Google archives (of your posts).
It's an easy/quick way to see if, for instance, you've (or someone new who
hasn't been diagnosed yet) tried posting on sci.med where there's doctors who
sometimes reply, with possible things a person can get checked for. Or whether
they referred a person over to this newsgroup.

Like Deirdre, I'm concerned about those symptoms of numbness. Actually some of
your other symptoms too.
The naproxen can be hard on the gut, so if it doesn't do much, why take it? If
you'd said that it helped, we'd know you had something "inflammatory" going on.
Fibro alone isn't inflammatory, but if a person had some (other) form of
arthritis too, sometimes Naproxen helps. That's what they call, I think
"co-morbidity", (more than one thing going on).

If you've got other ailments (for which your taking medications), like asthma,
it helps (me anyway) to sometimes understand the symptoms a person mentions.

Here's Flexeril
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682514.html
Here's Elavil http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202055.html
www.rxlist.com has a better more comprehensive (and interactions) explanation of
each med.

Since you mentioned puberty, here's a good article (hope you'll read it all and
not just the part that I copy here)
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic777.htm
: FMS is a physiological entity and not a psychiatric disorder, though the
physiological cause of FMS in children is unknown. Studies have implicated
possibilities such as abnormalities in muscle structure or repair, endocrine
abnormalities, psychological components, or biochemical changes in lower spine
or upper back. FMS may be either primary or secondary to hypothyroidism,
malignancy, osteoarthritis, rheumatic diseases, sports related over-activity, or
trauma. Some authors also describe a reactive FMS, which arises after a discrete
illness or after a specific episode of trauma. There is also a greater than 30%
psychological co-morbidity.

DIFFERENTIALS Section 4 of 10
Author Information Introduction Clinical Differentials Workup Treatment
Medication Follow-up Pictures Bibliography
Hepatitis C
Other Problems to be Considered:

Anterior chest wall syndrome
Benign rheumatoid nodules
Bursitis
Depression
Dysautonomia
Early spondyloarthropathy
Growing pains
Hypermobility syndrome
Hypochondriasis
Inflammatory bowel disease
Malingering
Multiple sclerosis
Reflex sympathetic dystrophy
Restless leg Syndrome

Tendinitis
Thyroid Disease
Syndrome of multiple chemical sensitivities

Studies to consider in a child presenting with a clinical picture consistent
with FMS include the following:

CBC - Normal
Erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR) - Mean ESR is 15 mm/h
Rheumatoid factor (RF) - Negative
C-reactive protein and antinuclear antibody (ANA) titer - May be positive.
However, given the high incidence of ANA in the general population, ANA testing
should be avoided unless the history and physical exam point to features and
abnormalities not found in fibromyalgia.
Prolactin serum levels - Negative
Electrolytes - Normal
Liver function tests - Normal
Muscle enzymes - Normal
Purified protein derivative (PPD) - Negative
Blood and urine cultures - Negative
Thyroid Function Tests - Normal
Imaging Studies:


Plain radiographs including chest, ribs, back - Normal
Ultrasounds of abdomen, pelvis, paravertebrae - Findings normal
Bone scan - Normal
CT scan/MRI studies - Normal
Polysomnography, including PLMS assessment, to evaluate possible sleep disorders
- Normal

Consultations: Due to the multifaceted symptoms that present, refer the patient
to other disciplines for evaluation and treatment.

Physical medicine and rehabilitation
Rheumatology
Psychiatry/psychology
Pulmonary medicine for evaluation of sleep disorders that may cause fatigue and
presence of PLMS
Orthopedics

Activity:

Routine exercise is an essential component of the treatment regimen, consisting
of moderate exercise, such as brisk walking for 20 minutes 3 times a week and
progression as tolerated. Gedalia et al recommend physical therapy guidance to
low-impact exercises, such as stretching, walking, biking, and swimming, at
least 1/2 hour per day to improve cardiovascular fitness.
The goal of an exercise regime is to improve cardiovascular health and
musculoskeletal fitness through nonimpact aerobic activity.
Returning to normal activity is imperative for the child who has stopped sport
and social activities due to pain because this helps to modulate the pain. A
physical therapist may be extremely helpful in establishing a reasonable
exercise and activity regime.
Other modalities found to be helpful in modulating pain include hypnotherapy,
cognitive-behavioral intervention, physical therapy, and transcutaneous
electrical nerve stimulation (TENS). Using palliative measures to treat symptoms
and minimizing physical disability is an important treatment mainstay.
Maintaining the child's physical conditioning is imperative in the long-term
outcome of FMS.<end quoted>

hope you understand that I don't like to see people get a fibro diagnosis, if
there's actually something else causing the problems.
Some of us have gotten "stung" with that. Once a diagnosis of fibromyalgia,
some doctors tend to ignore us when we tell them about new and important
symptoms that should be checked out and not just assumed to be fibro.

Hope this helps.
J

J

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Dec 30, 2002, 4:42:52 AM12/30/02
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Hello Michael,
I don't see any inserted text there. (just my post)
Did you forget what you wanted to say? Or hit "send" too quickly?
Thanks,
J

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J

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Dec 30, 2002, 5:15:17 AM12/30/02
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Hey thanks Randy,

So you're an analyzer too?

I wonder if no facial hair is typical of males with fibro? <rhetorical>
Surely hormones are involved. I'd have to look that up.
Just think of all the money and trouble you saved, not having to shave for so
long.
I think gray is a sign of wisdom, so don't knock it <g>

Here's the first thing that came up (5-Alpha Reductase Deficiency )
from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gender/spectrum.html

Then if I look that up, it refers to androgens
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1980.htm about androgens

This guy says it's genetic http://health.iafrica.com/mcnabs/qa/male/272182.htm
(which I think that pbs link was talking about too) and has tips about vitamins
and supplements.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pediatricendocrinology/intersex/sd4.html
Endocrinology

I didn't read them all, but only scanned to see if the word "pain" or "fibro"
showed up, so probably no connection to fibro. There was something on one of
the above about surgery and risk of osteoporosis, so if you ever had the surgery
(maybe as a baby), something for you to watch out for, because docs don't
usually think about it in males.

Ugh! I don't know how you do the ice cream and chocolate but if it works for
you, hey I have no problem with that.
Hugs
J

Michael Baugh

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I remember him, too. He was in one of the asthma newsgroups
several months ago telling about when he smoked his lungs burned,
with his longstanding asthma.
From his manner of delivery in his recent post, I decided he was a
troll and that it was better to ignore him.
I might have been wrong, but he didn't seem like someone that was
really looking for answers.

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Frank Kidd

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Dec 30, 2002, 8:33:14 PM12/30/02
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Yes everything you people posted as great, I didn't think I would get so
many responses. One thing I'm glad about is that I totally stop smoking weed
because that was a depressant for me. Everytime I smoked I'd would just get
self-conscious and paranoid. I thank you all though to reaching out, now all
I need to do it find a good doctor! Oh why did you decide I was a michael
baugh? Everything I said was true about me and all I want to do is get
better before it's too late.


Frank Kidd

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Dec 30, 2002, 8:36:06 PM12/30/02
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Ouch, I think I should of looked over what I typed before hand. I type too
fast :(

> Yes everything you people posted IS great, I didn't think I would get so


> many responses. One thing I'm glad about is that I totally stop smoking
weed
> because that was a depressant for me. Everytime I smoked I'd would just
get
> self-conscious and paranoid. I thank you all though to reaching out, now
all

> I need to do IS find a good doctor! Oh why did you decide I was a TROLL

Fl2tburt

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Frank, you are right, Naproxen is useless. (My opinion only)If you can go to a
fibro specialist ealier you should, the longer you wait, the less chance you
have of beating it. The dry mouth is most likely from the meds. You are on very
low levels of meds at this time, I mean the type of medication. Mine started
with neck and back issues, I ignored for a very long time, several years. I
have now been diagnosed for 7 or 8 years, it has not been a lot of fun.
Currently taking Ultram 100mg 3xday, vioxx 25 mg 2xday, baclofen 20mg 3xday.
These are for pain and stiffness.

Take neurontin 300 mg3xday for sleep and pain, serzone 400mg 1xday for sleep
and depression. Take melatonin 12 mg 1xday for sleep. Have taken probably every
other med on the market over the years.

Alll have significant side effects,some cause memory disorder to be much worse,
some cause nightmares, many cause significant sexual disfunction(loss of
libido, loss of erection, inability to acheive orgasm, etc).

What I have found over the time is that the doctors pretty much experiement on
you with the hope of finding a combination that works. The best help that I
have received is from others that have fibro, and the specific symptoms that I
have, Not too many men have fibro, or at least are not diagnosed. You should
try and find someone to talk with, or at least maintain contact over the
internet.(Other males with fibro symptoms like yours) This has been very
helpful to me.

The last issue you metioned re your size, age and puberty issue should be
treated as soon as possible. I worked with clients in the past that had this
issue and once they went to an endocrinologist they were able to overcome most
of those issues very quickly. That could be causing you a lot of stress, adding
to your fibro issues.

Good luck, hope you beat it real soon, Terry

Michael Baugh

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Dec 30, 2002, 9:09:38 PM12/30/02
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That was my initial impression, and I have acknowledged
that I may have been wrong.

A doctor? Whereabouts do you live? Not interested in details, just the
state.

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Kami

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Katka3 wrote:
> In the meantime since
> computers are your life learn to stretch while at them...

I personally find laptops alot easier to work with since they're more
portable than desktops...

Kami


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Randy

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Thanks for the links... I was surprised by the numbers of incidence.

But I've got all the (normal) male parts and none of the female parts; I
think the facial hair thing
is more related to my dad's (alleged) American Indian ancestry. All the men
on that side of the family
are the types (able) to grow goatees/mustaches, but very few ever (are able
to) grow beards.
Fine with me; I hate shaving. Razors cut my face and the foam clogs the
sink/drain...

As for ice cream and chocolate, I *eat* them... re-reading my original post
made it seem like
I bathed in them... sorry.

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Randy

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Dec 31, 2002, 3:26:19 AM12/31/02
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Pearls of wisdom... sometimes I wonder if we should mention fibro to new
healthcare workers even
after we have a confident diagnosis, since they seem to base their
treatments of any and all other
concerns we bring up with an eye toward fibro... there's nothing like being
turned away from a
doctor's office or even an ER with new pains/symptoms which seem
unresponsive to fibro meds,
because they seem to think it's all related, or that we're shopping for
more/stronger meds... At least
that's been the experience I and many of my local support group members have
faced.

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<snip>>

Randy

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Doctors list:

http://www.co-cure.org/Good-Doc.htm
http://www.sover.net/~devstar/provider.htm
http://www.sppm.org/Pain%20SpecialistsDirectory.htm (not sure how good this
is)
Skip Barber used to have a list, but he's apparently taking his entire site
down for good.
I assume a number of "good doctors" on his list were getting heat from the
DEA?


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J

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Dec 31, 2002, 4:32:54 PM12/31/02
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Hi Randy,
Something tells me we've discussed this before.

Randy wrote:

> Thanks for the links... I was surprised by the numbers of incidence.
>
> But I've got all the (normal) male parts and none of the female parts; I
> think the facial hair thing
> is more related to my dad's (alleged) American Indian ancestry.

That might be it. I've dated 2 over my lifetime and IIRC neither had facial
hair.

> All the men
> on that side of the family
> are the types (able) to grow goatees/mustaches, but very few ever (are able
> to) grow beards.
> Fine with me; I hate shaving. Razors cut my face and the foam clogs the
> sink/drain...
>
> As for ice cream and chocolate, I *eat* them... re-reading my original post
> made it seem like
> I bathed in them... sorry.

No, I understood what you meant. Actually bathing in (warm) ice cream and
chocolate would appeal to me more than eating it. <g>
Hugs
J

Katka3

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Dec 31, 2002, 5:12:46 PM12/31/02
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>Oh why did you decide I was a TROLL
>> michael
>> > baugh?

We get so many that many of us are ultra careful and certain phrases or the way
something is posted may bring up a red flag. Michael is fair - he is just
being protective to a group that has to deal with pain and doesn't want to deal
with people jacking us around - not that you are. If he finds out he is wrong
he'll say so. As will any of us. Glad you quit the weed - I know it helps in
some medical conditions but I would think it would add to the flares and
fatigue in this case. Try some B6 and vitamins for a while - you might need the
extra jump start if you have been having a bad time and putting weed into your
system as well. Good luck, hang around, get support, be supportive and Happy
New Year!

Michael Baugh

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Dec 31, 2002, 6:44:26 PM12/31/02
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I had also done a search of his posting history, and was
already aware of his routine use of profainty, and common
participation on a Howard Stern newsgroup.
Not that those are problems. Elsewhere.

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Nanny

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Dec 31, 2002, 8:49:43 PM12/31/02
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I don't remember the comment about your being a Michael Baugh. I'm glad we
could be of help to you. Nanny

"Frank Kidd" <fk...@nt.net> wrote in message
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Frank Kidd

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LOL!!!

Ya no more pot for me, I can't believe I wasted all that money on it and
destroyed my asthmatic lungs even more. NEVER AGAIN! Oh god, I'm in so much
PAIN too, pretty much my whole back is numb/burning right now and has been
for so long, and I can't really afford to go anywhere like Ottawa or Toronto
to get myself examined because I'm in college. When I was in the hospital I
missed 3 weeks of school and the college gave me a break due to illness, now
I have a chance to get caught up and take my tests for that semester in
January. Ya everyone is mean on the stern newsgroups, and this one guy or
girl always posts something negative yet he or she listens everyday. It just
makes me mad sometimes how people love to hate stern yet they're glued to
the radio! AGAIN THOUGH,. I thank all of you for everything that you've
posted to help me. I don't think they wanted to give me any painkillers when
I was in the hospital because I told them about my pot addiction. I had
another question actually, would it be wise of me to see a chiropractor and
get acupuncture done? And is it bad to crack your own back everyday by
twisting your upperbody left/right? Oh btw michael, how do you do a search
to see what I posted in newsgroups anyway?

"Michael Baugh" <baug...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Michael Baugh

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Go to http://groups.google.com/ with fk...@nt.net
as your search term.

If you are looking for a combination of two words, as though they
were a single item, such as "michael baugh", use quotation marks like
I have as the example.

Frank Kidd <fk...@nt.net> wrote in message

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Katka3

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>And is it bad to crack your own back everyday by
>twisting your upperbody left/right?

If it feels good do it!

Deirdre Saoirse Moen

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In article <20030102013010...@mb-cn.aol.com>,
kat...@aol.comnojunk (Katka3) wrote:

> >And is it bad to crack your own back everyday by
> >twisting your upperbody left/right?
>
> If it feels good do it!

Some people have said that they believe this kind of back cracking (or
finger cracking) causes arthritis.

I'm of the opinion that it's the reverse: a very early sign of possible
arthritis.

As far as I'm aware, there's no scientific evidence of that. If I were
infinitely wealthy, I'd fund some research. :)

--
_Deirdre http://deirdre.net
"Ideally pacing should look like the stock market for the year 1999, up
and up and up, but with lots of little dips downwards...."
-- Wen Spencer on plotting a novel

Randy

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My own neck/back probs started within weeks after I started emulating the
back and neck cracking/popping of a doctor I was working with at the time...
But I'm almost sure that was purely coincidental. I also think that in my
case, some of the noise at very least is from calcifications rather than
mere trapped nitrogen bubbles... I can feel the snapping, and it sometimes
produces a deep THUD when it's centered down in my lumbar region... and
getting a snap, crackle, or pop almost always makes me feel better, both
physically and emotionally. Conversely, when muscle spasms prevent them (and
chiropractic adjustments), I am almost always hurting worse than normal. I'm
talking high 90's percentages, consistently.

BTW, My Auntie D's a hippy chickie.... hipster chickster? Nice website! Nice
fonts!
{"My baby does the hanky-panky....}

"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <dei...@deirdre.net> wrote in message
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Dr. Michael Chaplin

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I hope that everyone has gotten through the holidays with a minimum of
discomfort and/or trials and tribulations. I wish each and everyone of you
a good new year.

Having said that:

Knuckle cracking and/or spinal adjustments DO NOT cause arthritis! Nor is it
an early sign of DJD (degenerative joint disease).

Self adjusting is NOT recommended because you are not adjusting the area
that needs the adjustment but rather a motion unit
(vertebrae-disc-vertebrae) that is hyper-mobile.

The reason that the self-adjustment feels good is the release of endorphins
(body's natural opiates) into the area.

Nitrogen is NOT stored as bubbles in the synovial fluid (fluid in the
joints) this would cause the "bends" in everyone if it were so. Nitrogen
and Carbon Dioxide are saturated in the fluid and precipitate out of the
fluid when the pressure is suddenly dropped (think of a bottle of soda that
is opened suddenly and the CO2 is suddenly released). The "popping" you
hear is the gas precipitating out of the fluid and is visible on an x-ray.
The gas is reabsorbed into the fluid within 30 minutes.

--
"You can't make someone else's choices.
You shouldn't let someone else make yours."
Gen. Colin Powell

Michael A. Chaplin, D.C., CCSP
Home/Office (936) 522 7965
Good Health Is No Accident
drm...@usana.com
www.unitoday.net/drmike


"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <dei...@deirdre.net> wrote in message
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René

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"Dr. Michael Chaplin" <d...@drchaplin.com> wrote in message
(Snip...)> The reason that the self-adjustment feels good is the release of
endorphins
> (body's natural opiates) into the area. (Snip...)

Hmmm. This must be why it feels so good when I stop hitting my thumb with a
hammer. :-)

Thanks for the explanations and Happy New Year to you, too.

-- René


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