Deb (fmshope) needs our prayers
Spirit4u2b
everything!! Now they are flooding again and are expecting the water to crest
on the 7th. Her daughter is already in a hotel -- their basement was flooded
and they lost their electricity. Please everyone take a moment and say some
prayers,positive energy or whatever it is you can do... she's going to need it.
Melissa
I would be happy to relay messages to her as long as possible.
MAWired
>everything!! Now they are flooding again and are expecting the water to
>crest
>on the 7th.
I live in the same place Deb does... it's not flooding and only a few people
have been hassled by the water, and the predicted river crest is well below the
flood of 97... it's low enough concern is not very high right now. The river
should crest this weekend at 45 feet, the city is protected to 50 feet, there
are 10,000 available sandbags for those living in areas lying below the dike
level, and the city has the capacity to fire up the sandbagging machines at an
output of about 20,000 sandbags a day. They even pulled the dike walkers off
the dike... it's just not necessary at this point.
Grand Forks is NOT in trouble... we had freezing rain today and might get snow
tonight, maybe 3 inches, but it's not enough to cause the river to suddenly
swell up and exceed crest predictions by very much. People who lost electricty
should have it back by tonight.
I'm sure Deb appreciates the concern... but this area is fine and won't have
anything more than very minor flooding, and even then it will only be in a few
places (unless we get socked with a killer blizzard, but it sounds like the
entire Red River Valley will be just fine.) No need for people to get alarmed.
Thumper... Selling Black Belts Cheap ;-)
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Spirit4u2b
last night about 6pm. I cannot use water because the EOC has had to plug my
drains due to problems at the lift center that provides my sewer. There is a
tree taller than my building that is broken due to the weight of the ice. Thank
God I have a regular phone- Because at this time I have been cut off from radio
and tv since last night. In fact Northern states power Co. just called and
informed me that the transformer blew because of the ice they cannot tell me
when power will be restored. The temperature in my home is 50 degrees. Yes the
river is still contained by the dikes..but the dike walkers have been pulled
due to ice everywhere. If this is not a serious circumstance for me MAYBE YOU
COULD TELL ME WHAT IS. And to quote a friend" BITE ME"!! Newsgroup members
thank you for your prayers support and encouragement. You all mean a great deal
to me. I'm still smiles across the miles- Deb.
This is a direct word for word letter of what i was told to write by Deb while
I was on the phone with here.
Melissa
MAWired
>while
>I was on the phone with here.
I could sit here and denbate point by point but I won't... I just wanted people
to know Grand Forks is not in dire straights... people WORRY when things are
made to sound dissproptionately bad. And they're not. The dike walkers were
pulled before the ice storm started, power has been restored to most people who
lost it... if Deb is cold, I'm sorry, but this is not the emergency it was 2
years ago, and it's not fair to make people worry about this entire area
because one person is having a hard time. If she's that worried about power,
then she should know they've moved generators to the downed lift stations and
she should have power SOON.
A serious curcumstance is the homes that had water up to the rooftops 2 years
ago, people being pulled out of trees and off the roof, major blocks of
downtown on fire.... a few flooded basements is not the end of the world.
I really do hope Deb is ok... but it's not fair to scare the hell out of
everyone over what so far is a nusiance and not an emergency.
If Deb wants to "bite me" for not wanting friends to freak out over GF
flooding, let her. It's no big deal.
Dingaling Debbie
pictures you showed of your hometown in 97! eek.....
This is as bad as it can get......but don't bet on it.
--
dingaling deb
MAWired <maw...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990401205740...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
Deb
and asking their support for me this past weekend. Now that some "normalcy"
has returned I have a few things to say. I always swore I would never start,
or participate, in the flame wars that seem to occur on a regular basis on
this ng...but I think "never say never" has jumped up and bit me in the
rear end!
Thumper, what in the hell did I ever do to you? Let's see, Grand Forks Air
Force Base (where you live) and the city of Grand Forks (where I live) are
at least 14 miles apart and across open country, right? I live 6 blocks from
the Red and you live AT LEAST 14 miles from the Red. You certainly aren't
affected by the flooding this spring and you weren't affected in 1997
either, were you? You DO NOT live in the same place I do and you know it. I
also live in a basement apartment which poses additional threats that you
certainly are NOT aware of! And, if it wasn't threatening, why did friends
of mine call from 5 different states because they saw Grand Forks on the
national news and were worried about me?
I was without power from Thursday until this morning when I woke up. How
long were you without power this weekend? Or, were you cozy and warm and
unaffected by the havoc the ice storms caused? On Saturday, a tree in my
yard fell on my building complicating the problems I was going through.
Without power, I had no heat, I couldn't cook, or shower. I couldn't watch
TV or listen to the radio. I couldn't sleep in my bed because it's a
waterbed and tends to be quite cold when there isn't electricity to heat it.
The lift station that operates my sewer system went down late Thursday night
which meant if I needed to go to the bathroom I had to leave and use a
public restroom. With an inch or more of ice on everything it was almost
impossible for me to stand up and driving was a real challenge as well!
Then there was the added expense of food that didn't require cooking,
bottled water to drink and brush my teeth, etc. I live on $500 a month SSDI
and it doesn't meet my day-to-day expenses as it is. I also had to purchase
plugs ($15/a piece and I needed 6) so if the sewers did back up I wouldn't
lose everything I own for a second time in two years. I bet your hubby
supports you, huh?...so you certainly don't have to worry about watching
every single penny that comes and goes every month.
You were right about the situation not being as desperate as it was in 1997.
But in many ways I was experiencing many of the same things I did then. I
don't think you had any right to call me a liar.
I have tried to get together with you ever since I found out we lived in the
same area but no way on your end, right? What threat do I pose to you? I
even asked if you would like to attend our support group in town by personal
invitation. Most people who participate in this ng would give anything to
have an opportunity to meet face-to-face or live just a few miles apart like
we do. Why are you judging me when you haven't ever met me? And to judge the
situation I was facing this weekend is ludicrous...you had no right to say
how I was, or was not, affected by the two storms that hit this weekend
unless you were here in my home.
I have made many friends through my participation in this ng and I'm in
contact with a many of them frequently. Nothing will ever change that! I
used to find a great deal of support, empathy, and unconditional love from
the FMily that participate in this group. But I haven't felt those feelings
in a long time. I left this group because it's become so negative in the
last several months. If there isn't a flame war going someone starts one. I
try to surround myself with positive energy as one of my coping mechanisms
when it comes to dealing with my illness. Life isn't negative, boring,
hopeless and so on because of FMS. It's different than what I thought it
would be when I would imagine what 40-something was going to be like. But
I'm happier now than I was before FMS because I've chosen to be happy. Many
of doors have slammed shut but many have also opened. When I started feeling
worse reading the ng instead of feeling up-lifted I stopped reading and
posting. Thumper's attitude towards me and what I was going through this
weekend is the perfect example of that. And now I know for sure the decision
I made is the right one. Isn't that incredibly sad?
Smiles across the miles -- Deb
Spirit4u2b <spiri...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990402105038...@ng08.aol.com...
> Thumper- I invite you to come spend the day with me in my home- I lost
power
> last night about 6pm. I cannot use water because the EOC has had to plug
my
> drains due to problems at the lift center that provides my sewer. There
is a
> tree taller than my building that is broken due to the weight of the ice.
Thank
> God I have a regular phone- Because at this time I have been cut off from
radio
> and tv since last night. In fact Northern states power Co. just called and
> informed me that the transformer blew because of the ice they cannot tell
me
> when power will be restored. The temperature in my home is 50 degrees. Yes
the
> river is still contained by the dikes..but the dike walkers have been
pulled
> due to ice everywhere. If this is not a serious circumstance for me MAYBE
YOU
> COULD TELL ME WHAT IS. And to quote a friend" BITE ME"!! Newsgroup
members
> thank you for your prayers support and encouragement. You all mean a great
deal
> to me. I'm still smiles across the miles- Deb.
>
> This is a direct word for word letter of what i was told to write by Deb
while
> I was on the phone with here.
>
> Melissa
Angel
away for a few days myself, but it doesn't matter. I, for one, can
sympathize with your plight and I feel for you. I've never lived
anywhere where flooding has been a regular threat, but I have had a
flooded (2 feet) basement before which reuined a furnace, and
washer/dryer...hardly as bad a predicament as you've been
experiencing, but bad enough. I've also been three days without
power/heat in the middle of winter when I had two small daughters at
home, and it's very scary. Hope everything is looking better for you
now and that things are starting to get back to normal. Take care.
_
Angel
"We are each of us angels with only one wing,
and we can fly only by embracing each other."
MAWired
Whoa, Deb, back up the pity truck here.... Never once did I slam you or
threaten you or anything of the sort. I posted--truthfully--that Grand Forks
was not in dire straights and that it wasn't a situation in which people should
get upset over. It does *me* no good to have friends read notes posted about
the horrible flooding, when in fact it's a few inconvenienced people with a
little water in the basements and going without power for a few days. That's
not an emergency... it's a nusinance. But I still wind up with a deluge of "are
you all right" notes and friends who don't BELEIVE that things are ok on GF...
and they are. While it may have been a big deal to you, it was not, on a wider
scale, more than an inconvenience--and I felt people should know that before
they expected another 1997 crisis with water pouring over the dikes and
buildings bursting into flame. It's not fair to scare people.
Yes, I live on the base... but I also spend a great deal of time in town. My
son works in town, he goes to school in town. We're well aware of the condition
of the city and what's happening. During the "worst" of it we WERE in town.
You were never in danger, Deb, and you are not helpless.... You were
uncomfortable and I am sorry for that. I've been there, done that, and in worse
situations that even the GF flood in 97. I don't begrudge you the well wishes
of your friends and family, and I never intended it as a personal slam against
you--how it was taken as such is beyond me. I certainly didn't need your
personal history spelled out here for the whole world to read to know the
situation in Grand Forks. I NEVER called you a liar--I only said that Grand
Forks was not in danger, and it's not, not now.
I don't know where the hell YOU got the idea I was, and why you feel it
necessary to play this out on a public NG, but that's your choice and not mine.
No one would tell people here not to wish you well--and I was not telling
anyone that. I told them the truth--Grand Forks is not flooding, not in an
emergent situation... there is no point in WORRYING people. Scaring the hell
out of them is not fair.
>I have tried to get together with you ever since I found out we lived in the
>same area but no way on your end, right? What threat do I pose to you? I
You invited me to a support meeting... That's "getting together"? The times
were inconvenient for me, and I could not attend, but that's not a judgement on
you personally (and we have, btw met, briefly, at the FMS symposium... I
remember you quiet clearly and was impressed by your ability to pull that whole
thing off inspite of those who made a public attempt to ruin it) I have never
made an effort to "meet" people from online, so don't take it personally. I
keep my online life and my personal life seperate and distinct. That's a
personal choice based on years of experience with people online, and is not a
judgement on any one individual. I simply choose to not carry my online life
over into my personal one.
I find it absolutely amazing that one short note--GF is not in danger, not even
mentioning your own personal problems--can turn into this.
>Thumper's attitude towards me and what I was going through this
>weekend is the perfect example of that.
My "attitude towards you?" Whose judging now, Deb? It went from a reply saying
nothing more than the city is not flooding to being about you... The only thing
I DID say about you was that I'm sure you appreciated everyones well wishes.
Far too much was read into that. If you took it as a personal slam, well, I'm
sorry, but that's not my problem.
RickMo3
necessary to play this out on a public NG, but that's your choice and not
mine.>>
So glad you pointed that out Thump--good Lord, this post from Deb went so much
farther than it needed to. Why can't everyone take a lesson here and write to
the person you have a problem with privately?
Moe
******Half Full, Half M.T.******
Moe
Ian Murphy
stated, quite innoculously, that the city itself was not in danger, to
your belief that you were being called a liar. At no point in any post
did I see this; what I read was quite simply that on the whole, there
was nor is any imminent danger to the citizens of your town. Perusal
of the newspaper supplements this.
To that end, what did Thumper ever do to you to warrant such an
attack? Does stating truth to protect her friends' vision of what
might be happening constitute an attack on your person? Those of us
who are aware of her location read the initial post and did begin
calling and emailing her in concern. Was she not affected by the
flood? Not losing possesions does not indicate that someone was not
affected. I lost nothing and was deeply affected by the plight of
those who did. I can also attest to her involvement, my wife and I
stood beside her sandbagging, in the cold, watching her walk from
piles of sand to the sandbagging machines, heaving those bags down the
line, dragging her leg behind her, in incredible pain, days on end.
Not to mention ~literally~ bagging until her hands bled. Have you ever
seen someone heave a 40 pound bag with blood running down their
wrists? I was witness to the effort made when the base opened to the
influx of flood evacuees, the number of hours volunteered working the
shelter, feeding people, the scramble to find odd things people wanted
but the Red Cross could not provide. I recall quite clearly literally
having to hitchhike to get to Fargo to catch a plane out of home
because she was simply too busy helping those displaced to drive us
there. Was she affected? More than you could possibly imagine. Does
she know of human suffering? You want horrors? Ask her about the
flooding in San Antonio and watching children die, and sandbagging in
Salt Lake City. Ask her what it's like to volunteer in the aftermath
of an earthquake, to stand there and see a 2-tiered freeway compressed
to a single layer, knowing that in between are hundreds of people.
Then ask her if she ever recieved so much as a single thank you, and
you'll be met with a confused blink and a retort along the lines of
thanks being unnecessary, it was a honor to give what little help was
possible.
I wonder now if those who were helped understand the depth of what
was given to them by those who asked nothing in return.
The amazing thing is that you were never personally attacked, yet
chose to respond with fangs bared, and claims that you dislike the
flame wars and have removed yourself from the newsgroup because of
them. Wherein then lies the logic of attacking on presumption? Your
own reputation was never besmirched, yet you most defiantly chose to
smear someone else's. More amazing is that she defends your position
privately.
And without question, I am biased. Perhaps I too rush to judgement
in defense of a life long friend, but to attack without real
provocation is, doubtlessly, stooping to the levels which you claim to
have left the newsgroup over. She never called you a liar. What merits
ripping her apart?
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:50:15 -0500, "Deb" <fms...@thequest.net> wrote:
> You certainly aren't
>affected by the flooding this spring and you weren't affected in 1997
>either, were you?
>
TCrab13
>From: spiri...@aol.com (Spirit4u2b)
Melissa.....thanks for letting us know about Deb....I know her modem was down
for awhile.....I don't watch the news that much so wasn't aware of the
situation of GF.......I know that she and others lost so much in '97 that it
has to be a very scarey situation to be in all over again.
You can bet that she's got all my prayers and good vibes and positive energy
coming her way!!! She's a survivor all the way and will hopefully come out
just fine....with all the emotional support and prayers....she'll do just
fine......
Deb,,,,do what ya got to do and we're with ya all the way!!!
Hugs and Warmth!!!
Teresa
MAWired
>stated, quite innoculously, that the city itself was not in danger, to
>your belief that you were being called a liar
Whoa... this time it's your turn to back up, Ian. I've asked you before to not
jump in to save me from myself. I don't need saving. I'm perfectly capable of
creating and getting out of my own mess without some knight in shining armor to
come along and rescue me. More to the point, this is not something that should
be used to start some kind of board war. What I do and why I do it is not up
for public speculation... the same thing goes for what I suffer and what I
don't suffer or how I experience it or why I choose to share or not share. It's
no one else's business and it's not fair to subject them to it.
More importantly, you owe Deb an apology for jumping into this and making it
seem a whole lot more than it is. I love you, but you're being a butthead, and
it's not fair to do this to everyone. I refuse to let you start something more
out of this. So stop. Right now. Just stop. Don't turn me into some freaking
martyr for the sake of making your arguement look good, and don't try to
denigrate someone else in the process. And apologize. Publically.
Jodith
Ian may not have had the right to share about you, but regardless, I'm
impressed. I hauled sand bags for one day in St. Louis in the floods of
1993, and was so stove up I couldn't move for a week. You really are a
wonder, you know.
--
Jodith
aunt...@swbellx.net
To e-mail me, take the x out of my address.
Fran
nanny
Fran wrote in message <7015-370...@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...Deb, I am so sorry that you have had a difficult time, but I think that
Thumper is being unfairly maligned here. She acknowledged your
situation, but was just clarifying that the situation was not the same
as that of two years ago. I've been through flood and I know that when
the situation looks like it is about to repeat itself, and memories
start pouring in, it is easy to misinterpret thngs. Done it myself and
I know how it feels. So please just step back, take a look at what was
said originally and I hope you will feel differently. --fran
Shan Leslie
completely different perspective, and therefore had a completely
different picture of what was going on. Just glad it is all over with
and everybody is OK. Hopefully, feelings will mend, too. Tina>
I agree with you Tina. You see, apparently Thumper was talking from a
local/area perspective, while Deb was speaking from her own personal
experience with the situation.
But both were speaking the truth as they knew it.
I think, knowing Thumpers news group personality, that her short concise
discription of Grand Forks, was in keeping with her other posts on this
group. She is not a poster ( unlike me..LOL) who goes into great lengths
to have her say. She just says it and moves on.
Not once to my knowledge has Thumper ever attacked anyone on this news
group, other than occasionally giving a logical well thought out verbal
'smack' to a irritant spammer or troll.
Thumper is just not a flamer. I've noticed that she seldom..if EVER
argues with anyone, let alone resorts to name calling.
I've always looked to Thumper, and a few others on this group, for well
grounded sanity and logic amid all the fur and feathers that occasional
fly around here.
She, and some of the others, are the foundation of stability here.
I'm sorry Deb that you had to suffer such annoying and personal
devastation. I have been in similar situations, and believe me, I can
relate. I know that you have been a strong and supportive influence here
as well, and I just hope that this will be worked out between the two of
you with the sincerity and warmth I know you both possess.
Shan
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