Aggression and Fibromyalgia
bei...@falconblanco.com
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It doesn't surprise me that in a Fibromyalgia news group there is
a lot of aggression. The anger people are carrying with them,
probably their whole life, has accumulated to such a degree that
every opportunity is just right to let out as much as possible. For
this serves best a newcomer who is not joining the common game of
confirming each other. On him they can all through their dirt and
mud and have a kind of fun. Does this give a release? Probably not,
but it will make their feeling of togetherness stronger, as they
have defended their opinions and images. It is not necessary to
proof what is expressed in a post, it is enough to put it in a
certain category, for example 'spam' and then all will join in
condemning the intruder.
This is a tactic used from the early days of mankind, nothing has
changed. There were always people eliminated, with reason or
without. The 'bad' must be projected to the outside and then be
destroyed. I am getting the impression that with the person who has
Fibromyalgia this common habit has come to a point were the
destructive energy has turned against the individual itself and is
destroying from the inside. It is the rigid way to deal with one's
own way to relate with reality, what means with daily life how it
shows up and is not how one wants it. This accumulates frustration
and then aggression.
So one reason might be that Fibromyalgia is caused by this and the
healing process might start just by questioning oneself and by
observing these habits. For this we don't need to go to special
places or deal with certain people. Just what shows up in our daily
life will be enough - news group posts are not excluded.
BeiYin
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http://falconblanco.com
Nanny
philosophy. We've heard it over and over again in the "it's all in your
head" phrase. You know nothing about us here, yet you come on and try to
tell us where our lifestyles and "wrong thinking" have put us. You haven't
established any rapport at all, but are just spouting off to try to persuade
that what you have is better than what we have. I've already broken one of
my own rules, by giving you this much of my response and time. Nanny
<bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
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Rosemarie Shiver
Ya ever feel like.....
ROFL!! :-)))
Coinky-Dink Hugs,
Rosie S.
Demented Dame
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"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat
Outta Hell II
"Nanny" <dorl...@tds.net> wrote in message
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BBE...@webtv.net
what makes us strong enough to deal with the likes of you and other
trolls.
~*~Barb~*~TOO!
Sandie
why are you hanging around.
Sandie
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Fi & Paul
right will you, please, go away!
Fi
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Melissa
b/c of aggressive people here.
Sandie
about, straight talking English. Hey here's a thought. Maybe another
symptom of fibro is that we all speak a special fibro language that outsider
don't understand. That would explain why doctors look at us so strangely.
Sandie
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Fi & Paul
Fi
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Mercy
new person coming in here to ruffle your feathers just to prove they are
correct by your reaction to them. They have these insane theories and have
a need to prove themselves right. If you don't answer them, they eventually
go away. There new people in and out of here all the time. This happens on
at least a monthly basis. Nothing new, but very old. Be cool and don't let
them bother you. Hot baths are the greatest..... with bubbles. I promote
hot bubble baths for fibromites and RAers.... I am one myself. Same ole
same ole hey? Never will understand why people waste their time trying to
figure out fibromites when they don't have a clue what the disease is all
about nor will they ever unless they have it. Best of luck newbies and
oldies.
Nettie (an oldie who seldom posts)
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Sandie
giving me the tutaes. Think thats how its spelt.
Sandie
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Rosemarie Shiver
How do ya say SPAM SUX!! in Maori? :-) It's absolutely amazing what
comes outta the woodwork defending scum-suckin' SPAMmers.
Borrowing from our Daddio: No. we didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
Turnip truck falling off is not a cause of FM.
Egads Hugs,
Rosie S.
Demented Dame
--
"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat
Outta Hell II
"Fi & Paul" <ami...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Sandie
awhile. Besides this is fun. I can practice my favorite language and most
can only guess what I'm saying.
Sandie
Mercy <picka...@charter.net> wrote in message
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BBE...@webtv.net
may say so.
ge...@optusnet.com.au (Sandie) wrote:
I don't think he understands English, not even plain, direct, no mucking
about, straight talking English. Hey here's a thought. Maybe another
symptom of fibro is that we all speak a special fibro language that
outsider don't understand. That would explain why doctors look at us so
strangely.
Sandie
~*~Barb~*~TOO!
Aerowin
*L*
aero
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René
"Sandie" <ge...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Laura
Explain the wonderful comments I read on the political newsgroups then or even
alt.support.chronic-pain.
People are just mean these days, it cuts across all strata.
>Aggression and Fibromyalgia:
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>It doesn't surprise me that in a Fibromyalgia news group there is
>a lot of aggression. The anger people are carrying with them,
>probably their whole life, has accumulated to such a degree that
>every opportunity is just right to let out as much as possible. For
>this serves best a newcomer who is not joining the common game of
>confirming each other. On him they can all through their dirt and
>mud and have a kind of fun. Does this give a release? Probably not,
>but it will make their feeling of togetherness stronger, as they
>have defended their opinions and images. It is not necessary to
>proof what is expressed in a post, it is enough to put it in a
>certain category, for example 'spam' and then all will join in
>condemning the intruder.=20
>This is a tactic used from the early days of mankind, nothing has
>changed. There were always people eliminated, with reason or
>without. The 'bad' must be projected to the outside and then be
>destroyed. I am getting the impression that with the person who has
>=46ibromyalgia this common habit has come to a point were the
>destructive energy has turned against the individual itself and is
>destroying from the inside. It is the rigid way to deal with one's
>own way to relate with reality, what means with daily life how it
>shows up and is not how one wants it. This accumulates frustration
>and then aggression.=20
>So one reason might be that Fibromyalgia is caused by this and the
>healing process might start just by questioning oneself and by
>observing these habits. For this we don't need to go to special
>places or deal with certain people. Just what shows up in our daily
>life will be enough - news group posts are not excluded.
>BeiYin
>- -
>http://falconblanco.com
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Laura, Keeper of the Hounds
Servant to 4 Cats, Shadow, Terra, Storm, Shotzie.
AKA
Lady's and Boomer's Mom. Slave to the Cats.
mags
rush of replies. We're feeding his need for attention.
(So am I, now, I know..)
Mags
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Laura
markett they sold gizmos or potions that they said cured fibromyalgia.
I will add your theory to the list.
Laura
> Borrowing from our Daddio: No. we didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
>Turnip truck falling off is not a cause of FM.
>
>Egads Hugs,
>Rosie S.
There are days when I feel like I have been run over by a truck though
Nanny
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Randy
;~)
{B-Bye, Yin}
"Rosemarie Shiver" <pos...@strato.net> wrote in message
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> Hey, Fi,
>
> How do ya say SPAM SUX!! in Maori? :-) It's absolutely amazing what
> comes outta the woodwork defending scum-suckin' SPAMmers.
>
> Borrowing from our Daddio: No. we didn't just fall off the turnip
truck.
> Turnip truck falling off is not a cause of FM.
>
> Egads Hugs,
> Rosie S.
> Demented Dame
> --
> "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat
> Outta Hell II
> <blathering nonsense snipped>
Nanny
lauren
Hmmm.....I do not believe your theory here is accurate exclusively to
FM. Perhaps a general observation of Human's in general and certainly
extended illness inclusive of high pain levels and little deep sleep is
never conducive to a mindful calm.
Perhaps you are responding in a defense mode, yourself?
I find people argue on many NG's (and IRL) - illnesses or not.
---
For me something has gone amuck with my adrenaline (as with most systems
in my body) and it is quick to increase and slow to decrease (This
happened after FM started) also I do feel much frustration for the blame
of my illness- I was taught to live (conform) a certain way and now I am
suppose to still live within it but 'above' it? Huh?
Not such a simple juggling game.
lauren
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bei...@falconblanco.com
lauren
Ok Laura, maybe I am being naive here (it has happened before) and need
to burn out my eyes further doing a google search on the big bright
screen.
I agree with you that people are mean these days, but my brother who is
a history freak claims historically it has always been bad (even worse).
His theory is as long as they can not impale him or burn him alive he is
basically happy
(this is after 2 failed spinal surgeries, diabetes, and a list of other
serious health conditions).
I have asked him his secret and he says he just does not care what
anyone else thinks (oh yeah, and that it is highly unlikely that he ever
will be impaled or burned alive).
Good altitude : )
Thanks
lauren
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(Laura)
Paul T. Holland
bei...@falconblanco.com wrote:
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> Aggression and Fibromyalgia:
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> It doesn't surprise me that ...
...Peter and Mary and the whole kit and caboodle of falconblanco gets
outed everytime they try to play ping and pong on the groups????
Well, you will learn eventually - that is a certainty...
Paul
Fi & Paul
What about Arpese? Harpellarpo Narpewsgrarpoup! BarpeiYarpin sarpucks! ;-)
Fi
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Fi & Paul
when you spend so much time on your own.
Fi.
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Fi
"Rosemarie Shiver" <pos...@strato.net> wrote in message
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Randy
;~)
"Laura" <ada14...@aol.com> wrote in message
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BeiYin
(lauren) wrote:
> Lauren: Hmmm.....I do not believe your theory here is accurate exclusively to
> FM.
BeiYin: You are right: It is meant more in general but it is valid
also for people with FM.
> Lauren: Perhaps a general observation of Human's in general and certainly
> extended illness inclusive of high pain levels and little deep sleep is
> never conducive to a mindful calm.
not being understood by one's surrounding not even from people near
to one, the total insecurity, not being supported by the medical
system, the brain fog and loss of memory and all the other symptoms
of FM are making an impact to the personality which is hard to
manage for the suffering person. Where can some security and
calmness come from? Surely only if one is capable to go beyond one's
personality. At least this is my experience. Here I also sense the
solution for one's healing, this seems the only way...
The frustration which accumulates even in the daily life of a
'healthy' person with the normal stress level often finds it's
release through aggressive reactions and so even more in the life of
a person with FM with a stress level which is unbearable. There is
not always the opportunity to be able to react and so find a
release. (People who are taking care of sick patient can tell about
it...) So then no wonder that a news group might be an opportunity
to do so. And it is easy: There are always spamer on whom one can
jump and if there are no spamers then a newcomer who is not part of
the 'family' can serve, especially if he posts something which
doesn't fit into the common game modus. There is no need to proof or
even to read a post, it is enough if one of the group through the
first stone... And they will all join if the newcomer dares to point
out this game! No, this is not special for people in this NG, this
is a common behavior in nearly all NG and mailing lists.
I want to be part of a news group 'family', but I don't depend on
them. I do not join the common game, not looking for confirmation or
using others to get out some stuff from an unconscious background.
I can withdraw myself without problem if I am not wanted, but I
would like to share something of my story and my healing process...
Your comment is the first one which responds to the context of my
post, after all those mud which was send through the cyber space. I
will go on posting and responding and together we might come to some
insights which then might open the eyes of one or the other who are
now just ...
>
> Lauren: Perhaps you are responding in a defense mode, yourself?
BeiYin: Maybe, I will check it. I can't see it now. I have nothing
to hide or to defend. I am expressing myself freely, what includes
that I am spontaneous and so also sometimes not precise in my
expression, apart of my handicap that my English is very poor and
hard to understand. But I secure you, that my expression comes from
my heart and in so far is authentic. I do not pretend something, I
don't want to manipulate anybody or any situation. I try to respond
as good as I can, what doesn't mean that I am right or my behavior
is always correct.
> Lauren: I find people argue on many NG's (and IRL) - illnesses or not.
> For me something has gone amuck with my adrenaline (as with most systems
> in my body) and it is quick to increase and slow to decrease (This
> happened after FM started) also I do feel much frustration for the blame
> of my illness- I was taught to live (conform) a certain way and now I am
> suppose to still live within it but 'above' it? Huh?
> Not such a simple juggling game.
BeiYin: To respond to this I will need to go deeper into it. I will
do it later. Now my horse is calling me: it's dinner time.
BeiYin
You managed to kick me out of this news group by manipulating the IP
with fault accusation. If you do this again I will take legal steps
against you.
BeiYin
Mercy
"Randy" <ra...@noname.net> wrote in message
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Debbie Hoover
<bei...@falconblanco.com> writes:
>You managed to kick me out of this news group by manipulating the IP
>with fault accusation. If you do this again I will take legal steps
>against you.
>BeiYin
Gee, are the above statements the *fault* accusations that you are alluding to?
The threatening words that you have typed here could be interpreted as
terroristic threats towards an individual
As far as someone kicking you out of this newsgroup, although i'm certain there
are quite a few who would LIKE to see you kicked off this ng --- the group is
unmoderated, therefore no one has the authority nor the power to do so.
Methinks that you are blowing what is commonly called, 'smoke up one's arse"!!
go toot your horn somewhere else ........
Hugz N Luvz! Debbie H
dho...@netdetective-spy.net
http://www.netdetective-spy.com/
Mike-UK
>
> You managed to kick me out of this news group by manipulating the IP
> with fault accusation. If you do this again I will take legal steps
> against you.
> BeiYin
>
Yadder yadder yadder.
Turns up, trolls, turns out to be a regular troll, gets fingered big time,
gets mouthy. What happened to your peace and tranquility then ya hippy?
Get a clue.
Get a life.
Get a job (a real one).
Get the **** off this NG.
And get me a coffee while you're at it. Two sugars.
--
Disability is an external influence!
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Kathy Gallagher
KG
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Randy
"Mercy" <picka...@charter.net> wrote in message
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BeiYin
wrote:
> (...) the group is unmoderated, therefore no one has the authority nor the power to do so.
You are not informed. This guy in question knows what to do that a
person get cut off from one's news group server. He has done this
with several people not only with me. Ask him about it...
BeiYin
Peachy
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
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you are sadly misinformed because as Debbie wrote this group is unmoderated
therefore there is no one to "cut you off". You can however lose your
account for spamming or numerous other things if people complain to your ISP
and they uphold the complaint. Other than that, it is not possible to get
"cut off from ones news group server".
Some ISP's have their own news server, other use public servers, you don't
even have to use your own ISP's news server, you can use free public ones or
pay to join a news server and again the same rules apply about spamming or
abuse. You don't even have to use a dedicated news server though, you can
set up a google account and post though that, using theirs.
Unfortunately there are no ISP rules about misinformation or waffle so you
prolly won't be losing your account just yet.
--
Peachy
email is valid, just remove "nospam"
BeiYin
(lauren) wrote:
> Lauren: For me something has gone amuck with my adrenaline (as with most
> systems in my body) and it is quick to increase and slow to decrease (This
> happened after FM started) also I do feel much frustration for the blame
> of my illness- I was taught to live (conform) a certain way and now I am
> suppose to still live within it but 'above' it? Huh?
> Not such a simple juggling game.
BeiYin: Here we are coming to an essential point. I remember that I
have been in a similar condition. What means: A stress situation
caused by the expectation that one's reality should be in a certain
way. To deal with it is not just a simple juggling game. Most of the
expectations are unconscious and influence from the background of
one's personality. What the unconscious program is shows up only
when we are *reacting*, not only with words and emotions, but with
all our existence - what means also one's body system reacts. It
goes through all levels and depending how much and how rigid one is
identified with one's images and expectations, the whole system is
suffering and reacting. The caused stress is accumulated and the
tension not only sucks quite a lot of energy from the system, but
also is damaging the whole system up to the cell level. Pretty clear
that the 'juggling' can't work on the long run.
Where is the solution?
The long way is the suffering. Going into situations again and
again, reacting, rejecting, defending oneself, escaping, pretending,
etc. and going to the next situation probably repeating the same one
tried to avoid before...
The short cut is to confront whatever shows up, dealing with it by
relating to it, being aware of one's reactions and also relating to
these. Then maybe also being aware about one's background, realizing
what had caused the structure of one's background. Being aware of it
one can make a decision, stay with it and keeping it or dropping it
and letting it go. So freeing oneself of dependence and traps. With
this also loosing up one's tensions, so calming down the stress
situation...
Does this writing mean something to you? Does it tell something
which lets you understand part of the confusion? Cleansing or
clearing up seems to be the most important. On all levels. This is
my intention, in this I want to give support.
BeiYin
Peachy
So in a few words, you are saying that she needs counselling and offering to
counsel her? Are you qualified to do that because incorrect or bad
counselling can cause severe damage to a person.
lauren
I have still not reviewed google to read BeiYin's back posts. So I say
this without that knowledge.
I believe in a review of every word and thought written, most
individuals would not appear to be as nice as they think they are, or
mean to be.
There are exceptions.
I feel I am in an awkward and very uncomfortable position again (as I
was with Hello Hello). I appreciate open candor from all types of
people. I may (or may not) fiercely reject certain concepts and ideals
but I find value in knowing how all people think and feel.
This should not be a problem for me here.
And I hope for those of you with conflicting notions- you are able to
accept my personal philosophy. That we may merely agree to disagree.
I am neither rebel, nor conformist....I am just ...me.
lauren
lauren
Hello BeiYin,
It is a beautiful day in a short season.
In an effort to be in the 'now'- I am going to go out and attempt
enjoyment (I hope that it is like riding a bike....where one never
really forgets how to )
I will respond to your reply later.
Good day,
lauren
lauren
Peachy,
I do not see this in that way.
At sometime every person everywhere needs some counselling or support.
We are all here on a support NG in part for that reason.
Opening up to anyone always has an element of risk involved.
Paper credentials can mean little in the full personality or motives of
a person- talk to people who have seen professional counselors- in many
cases they have gotten no help or negative help (ie- have been hurt
worse).
I have had quite a few personal friends and relatives who headed psych
wards, were Psychiatrists, Counselors, Therapists, etc. My Uncle, a
highly respected Professor, developed and wrote phycological tests, I
loved him but he was one of the most outwardly cold and intolerant
people I have ever met. They were basically very problematic people
trying to bury there own errors. It was unsettling to know them well
and know what authority they had over the lives of others.
(I have known a smaller amount that were actually suited for that work
and one was fortunate to find them)
I think BeiYin only means to share his ideas with me.
thanks,
lauren
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(Peachy)
Peachy
"lauren" <L-litt...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> Peachy,
> I do not see this in that way.
>
> At sometime every person everywhere needs some counselling or support.
> We are all here on a support NG in part for that reason.
>
> Opening up to anyone always has an element of risk involved.
>
> Paper credentials can mean little in the full personality or motives of
> a person- talk to people who have seen professional counselors- in many
> cases they have gotten no help or negative help (ie- have been hurt
> worse).
Yes it's true that some professionals can cause more problems and it can be
very difficult to even trust many because opening up to someone with your
very personal stuff isn't something that you want to do with just anyone.
>
> I have had quite a few personal friends and relatives who headed psych
> wards, were Psychiatrists, Counselors, Therapists, etc. My Uncle, a
> highly respected Professor, developed and wrote phycological tests, I
> loved him but he was one of the most outwardly cold and intolerant
> people I have ever met. They were basically very problematic people
> trying to bury there own errors. It was unsettling to know them well
> and know what authority they had over the lives of others.
> (I have known a smaller amount that were actually suited for that work
> and one was fortunate to find them)
Again I agree that those doing the jobs aren't neccessaril;y suited to the
position and sometimes they need to get their own houses in order first, so
to speak.
>
> I think BeiYin only means to share his ideas with me.
>
> thanks,
> lauren
>
I think that BeiYin should be wary of trying to help people if he does not
have the proper qualifications or experience for fear of causing more
complications and was concerned about you. He waffles on about stuff,
frequently contradicting himself and often not making any real sense. I was
merely asking if what he was saying was that he thought you needed
counselling and was offering to do it because he waffled on so much, I
wasn't sure what he was actually saying!LOL
Being a qualified counsellor myself, I am very wary of those who think they
mean well but ultimately get themselves in too deep.
Mercy
physical ill? Are you saying everyone who is physically ill has gone
through this processing? What's your theory? What does this say? You the
heck on planet earth does not go through some sort of processing of one's
life experiences in one way or another? It is called life..... and
learning!!! Nothing new here.... are you in a process of learning this and
feel the need to share? Do you think that others here do not already know
this information? Do you think knowing this information will enable one to
process things more quickly, thus avoiding illnesses such as FMS? I don't
think so!!!!
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
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Paul T. Holland
BeiYin wrote:
>
> You managed to kick me out of this news group by manipulating the IP
> with fault accusation.
As anyone with a modicum of understanding knows, this is untrue.
If you have had problems with an IP (ISP), it was of your own doing.
Blaming another is simply a way to avoid responsibility for one's own
actions.
>If you do this again I will take legal steps
> against you.
> BeiYin
No, you cannot. I have not done anything that can be construed as
tortuous.
You are the actual head of falconblanco, therefor it is incumbent upon
you to provide a framework within which all operate ethically.
You have not done so, and thus, you continue to pay the piper.
Paul
BeiYin
(lauren) wrote:
> Lauren: I do feel much frustration for the blame of my illness -
BeiYin: There are two ways to deal with it. One is to create a
philosophical concept or adapt oneself to an existing and then trying
to live it - completing from outside to the inside. This will create
frustration and suffering.
The other way is to go inside - questing oneself and finding there
the trust that whatever happens is just the right thing for one's
growing process. Whatever circumstances occur, these are
just right to relate to them. With responsibility as good as one is
capable. Then there will be no frustration and this is the basic field
where true healing can start - which includes the whole being and not
just parts.
- -
http://falconblanco.com
Clue
>Aha, I get ya, the 'ol Fibromyalgia is caused by anger, thus aggression
>philosophy. We've heard it over and over again in the "it's all in your
>head" phrase. You know nothing about us here, yet you come on and try to
>tell us where our lifestyles and "wrong thinking" have put us. You haven't
>established any rapport at all, but are just spouting off to try to persuade
>that what you have is better than what we have. I've already broken one of
>my own rules, by giving you this much of my response and time. Nanny
Now tell us how you REALLY FEEL ;0)
Clue
BeiYin
> Clue: Now tell us how you REALLY FEEL ;0)
BeiYin: I don't know if this question is directed to me but I take it
as an opportunity to have a look and I will tell you about it:
I feel good. After having suffered from all kind of pain and being
totally exhausted for more than two years, I feel like new born.
Without pain and with new energy.
I feel calm and can take now things much more relaxed than ever
before. Difficulties I still see as a challenge and I am trying to
solve them, but if it doesn't work, then having done my best, I can
drop the case and can go on to a new project.
I haven't written much the last half a year and started now in this NG
again. I still feel good about it and the negative reactions of people
does not make me angry. If they defend themselves in such a way then
this tells me that they are not able and prepared to step out of their
self image, which probably has made them sick. That's it, if they
prefer to stay were they are, then I have nothing to tell them. But
there are other people and if I go on writing, then for those people.
I can also understand that they are not responding within this NG,
because they will probably be attacked like me and being vulnerable
and needing their 'family' this wouldn't make them feel comfortable.
But these people exist even they don't show up (yet).
I haven't written any poetry for quite some time, but I know that the
impulse to do so will come back in it's time, so I am not feeling bad
about it. Maybe it would be better to send poems to this NG, because I
have made the experience that with the same content people are
reacting less defensive. Poems are like music, one can listen to it
but don't need to react aggressive.
It feels that there is a transition now. After being sick and not
being able to work intense on my projects, I am thinking about it how
I want to go on: Shall I drop things which seem to be impossible to
be realized? Or shall I use my new energy to go on? It feels to me
that I need to think about it and I feel that I don't want to put that
much energy into something which obviously people don't want, like in
this NG.
Whatever it will be what I will do in the future, at the moment I go
on with my daily work and also I will respond if there are questions
directed to me. All the rest I will just ignore. What doesn't mean
that I will not defend my place, for example my right for a Internet
connection. But I will not invest more energy into it than necessary.
With other words: I will not react emotionally.
If somebody is able to receive something from my writings which will
give a new viewpoint so that it can open a way out of the suffering
and the FM, then this would make me feel happy, if not it will not
make me feel unhappy.
So you see: Emotionally I feel calm and good, although not happy.
Mentally I feel calm. My memory is much better, although sometimes
there are black holes, but this doesn't irritate me. My intuition
works well and I feel inspired, what makes me feel good. My body feels
good, not really strong but at least pain free. Soon I will start with
some body building exercises to gain back my old strength I had some
years ago. At the moment I have enough exercise with the daily
physical work. With my sleep it is still strange because I can't sleep
more than three hours in one go, but this is no problem, because when
I am getting tired then I just sleep for one hour or more. This has to
do with my horse who is sick and I am taking care of. But I don't want
to go into details, this might be already more than you want to hear
from me. So I'm sorry, but I like to write and if somebody asks me
then it just flows...
BeiYin
PS:I invite you to read my poetry: http://falconblanco.com/beiyin
Mike-UK
> cluel...@ihatespam.com (Clue) wrote in message news:<3f37cddd...@news.cis.dfn.de>...
>
> > Clue: Now tell us how you REALLY FEEL ;0)
>
> BeiYin: I don't know if this question is directed to me but I take it
> as an opportunity to have a look and I will tell you about it:
Look up the words "Rhetorical" and " Sarcastic"
> I haven't written much the last half a year and started now in this NG
> again.
We had noticed.
>
> If somebody is able to receive something from my writings which will
> give a new viewpoint so that it can open a way out of the suffering
> and the FM, then this would make me feel happy, if not it will not
> make me feel unhappy.
>
You are adding to the annoyance of many on this NG. That is a negative
result. You can make things better by going away.
> this might be already more than you want to hear
> from me. So I'm sorry, but I like to write and if somebody asks me
> then it just flows...
Nobody asked.
If somebody asked you to, would you flow off?
This is a rhetorical question by the way.
Peachy
Maybe it's just me suffering from brain fog but I get the distinct
impression that what he keeps saying is that it's all in our heads and if we
change our attitudes, as he did, we'd all make the same miraculous recovery?
Freyja
for snakes, and people like you.
--
Freyja (despam me)
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.
<bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
news:7002dc0fa0f46ce2...@free.teranews.com...
Aggression and Fibromyalgia:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Freyja
have to read yours to know this. Others here have read them. For any
my FMly may have missed, e-mail me and I'll tell you where they are.
I'm too busy to be angry with you. I'm still working with a producer
for a probable TV appearance. If I'm lucky, nationwide audiences will
see what at least a day in the life of a fibromite is like, and how the
care of a fibromite by the uninitiated can be, well, interesting!
You blab all you want. Preferably elsewhere. Me, I'm *doing* what I
can to get our disease at least some name recognition.
--
Freyja (despam me)
morning has broken.......somebody fix it
(It really does scan to the song well!)
"BeiYin" <Bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
news:7bbcd76f.03081...@posting.google.com...
Freyja
(Refreshing my knowledge on ASL since I recently lost most of my
hearing.)
--
Freyja (despam me)
Beware the Vulcan butt pinch.
"Fi & Paul" <ami...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:bh1laa$ndo$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
| lol, not sure myself but it sounds good! I'm a bit hoha about him
myself!
| What about Arpese? Harpellarpo Narpewsgrarpoup! BarpeiYarpin
sarpucks! ;-)
| Fi
|
| "Sandie" <ge...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
| news:3f331f1d$0$15133$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > Kia ora Fi. My Maori is a bit rusty. But I do know that this fella
is
| > giving me the tutaes. Think thats how its spelt.
| >
| > Sandie
| > Fi & Paul <ami...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
| > news:bgv4gq$49l$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
| > > LMAO. I pick Maori! Kia ora. Kei te pehea koe??
| > > Fi
| > >
| > > "Sandie" <ge...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
| > > news:3f331220$0$14559$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
| > > > I don't think he understands English, not even plain, direct, no
| mucking
| > > > about, straight talking English. Hey here's a thought. Maybe
another
| > > > symptom of fibro is that we all speak a special fibro language
that
| > > outsider
| > > > don't understand. That would explain why doctors look at us so
| > strangely.
| > > >
| > > > Sandie
| > > > Fi & Paul <ami...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
| > > > news:bgv392$2ut$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
| > > > > And so he goes on, winning friends and influencing people. If
I say
| > > > you're
| > > > > right will you, please, go away!
| > > > > Fi
Mike-UK
>
> Maybe it's just me suffering from brain fog but I get the distinct
> impression that what he keeps saying is that it's all in our heads and if we
> change our attitudes, as he did, we'd all make the same miraculous recovery?
>
Thats about the size of it. A totally clue-free zone in that particular
head. I'm not so sure about the relationship with that horse either. ;-)
lauren
I don't understand, He went through much to heal thus far- nothing
miraculous about it.
I, personally disagree that it is a personality type and think that it
is more DNA and external toxins, injuries. But so what? I disagree. This
would have me disagree with 90% of the Medical community as well, as
they truly believe personality types have much to do with FM.
I truly can not understand all the extreme hostility here and now I have
read through google archives. He is not always 'nice' that would include
him in about 99% of the population.
But I am curious Mike, what do you think could be more sinister about
him (them)?
E-mail me about it, if you'd like, ok?
Well, that is it- majority rules (right or wrong).
Anyway, my Dog is bad off and needs me- (and our relationship is love
and care)
lauren
-------------------------
Re: Aggression and Fibromyalgia
Group: alt.med.fibromyalgia Date: Wed, Aug 13, 2003, 1:23am (CDT+5)
From: Mi...@P90.mike.net (Mike-UK)
Nanny
"Peachy" <sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhan0t$r30$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
BBE...@webtv.net
If he thinks that he's found the perfect way to change our attitude, and
thus our FMS, why can't he just change our attitude, via the news group,
and heal us all, with or without our cooperation?
dorl...@tds.net (Nanny) wrote:
And, you said it in so much fewer words,
<clip>
~*~Barb~*~TOO!
BeiYin
> BBETTS: I was just wondering.....
> If he thinks that he's found the perfect way to change our attitude, and
> thus our FMS, why can't he just change our attitude, via the news group,
> and heal us all, with or without our cooperation?
BeiYin: I haven't said and I don't think that I found a way to
change people's attitude. If you read carefully what I have written
until now in this NG, then you will understand why this is not
possible. Never I said that I can heal. I am offering a key that you
can heal yourself, but it is nothing else than a key. You are the
one who has to use it and it needs your decision and your full
cooperation that you can use the key to open yourself. (In the first
place to yourself and then maybe also to influences coming from the
outside). You are the one who has to change your attitude, this is
one aspect of the key and with this you can open the door or the
window so that light may come in. Not only light but also fresh air,
which will help your breathing and will give you new energy...
BeiYin
(lauren) wrote:
> Lauren: I, personally disagree that it is a personality type
> and think that it is more DNA and external toxins, injuries.
BeiYin: I didn't write 'personality type' I just had said:
*Personality*.
To give an simple example what I mean: If I am talking about a
garden and I say: "The plants need water to be able to grow." Then
it is not the question of what kind of water...
'Disease' for the personality is like water for plants. With the
difference that plants have no resistance, they are not rejecting
the water.
The nature of personality in general is to survive defending the
momentary state of being - all means are right for this. What the
individual's choice is, adapting oneself to different ways of
defense depends indeed on the 'type' of personality. One might
prefer to escape, to attack, to use tricks and manipulation, or
one's charm, etc.
Disease has an impact to the whole system on all levels. With the
result that there also reactions on all levels. The defense
continues including manipulation in form of medication. But as we
know: It doesn't cure and it helps only to reduce the reactions. The
personality is suffering. Being left alone with it. Finding little
support in one's experiences of desperation and pain. The impact to
the personality is getting stronger and stronger as the disease is
spreading out over the system. It seems the personality is deluding.
An empty space is opening up: A frightening void...
Until the individual gives in, gives up and surrenders... Then there
might come help. Not that it appears from the nowhere, - it has been
there always, just the individual was not open for it. 'If there is
no question, then there is no answer!' Now there might come up some
questions and with this for sure the answers. If not then there is
still the rigid attitude to defend the existing state. But if the
individual is ready to let go the worn out self image and property
of mind and emotions which does not serve anymore, then the truth
about oneself and what goes on with oneself shines through.
It is extremely hard to deal with this new reality, because one is
left alone in between the followers of the old social belief system.
But at the same time dependencies are loosening up and a new freedom
is felt. This gives energy in a way how it was never felt before.
One is able to do steps which were unthinkable until now. Indeed one
has entered one's 'healing process'! And with this the disease is
diminishing because the base has changed...
Mercy
to see your posts with the attitude that disease is all in one's mind. Tell
me why happy, well adjusted children of happy loving families get sick if
this is all in their attitudes. The body is not totally controlled by the
mind.... it has weaknesses and is susceptible to becoming ill. Do you
really think all of us want to be sick? Do you think we are getting
something positive from feeling so rotten all the time? Our diseases are a
combination of heredity, and other factors. My father has RA, thus I have
RA. FMS is common in people with RA. Some family members have lymphoma,
thus I have lymphoma. None of this has anything to do with attitude. I
would rather be healthy and working than deal with my illnesses. Now I do
believe that you could use some attitude adjustment yourself and rethink
this whole theory of yours and leave the people of this group alone.
Everybody has heard your sinkin thinkin a zillion times and it is not new to
anybody here. Drop it....
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
news:7348fe6747f8f5c8...@free.teranews.com...
Peachy
>
> >
> > Maybe it's just me suffering from brain fog but I get the distinct
> > impression that what he keeps saying is that it's all in our heads and
if we
> > change our attitudes, as he did, we'd all make the same miraculous
recovery?
> >
>
> Thats about the size of it. A totally clue-free zone in that particular
> head. I'm not so sure about the relationship with that horse either. ;-)
>
Peachy
--
Peachy
email is valid, just remove "nospam"
"Nanny" <dorl...@tds.net> wrote in message
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> And, you said it in so much fewer words, Peachy ;-) Nanny
> "Peachy" <sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bhan0t$r30$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
<snip>
Mercy
happy and positive outlooks on life!!!
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
news:a7d39211a3956d33...@free.teranews.com...
Peachy
>
> I don't understand, He went through much to heal thus far- nothing
> miraculous about it.
>
> I, personally disagree that it is a personality type and think that it
> is more DNA and external toxins, injuries. But so what? I disagree. This
> would have me disagree with 90% of the Medical community as well, as
> they truly believe personality types have much to do with FM.
>
> I truly can not understand all the extreme hostility here and now I have
> read through google archives. He is not always 'nice' that would include
> him in about 99% of the population.
> But I am curious Mike, what do you think could be more sinister about
> him (them)?
> E-mail me about it, if you'd like, ok?
>
> Well, that is it- majority rules (right or wrong).
>
> Anyway, my Dog is bad off and needs me- (and our relationship is love
> and care)
>
> lauren
I don't for one minute believe that it's got anything to do with
personality. I think that if all of us here where to get together IRL then
we would find that there where many different personality types and
backgrounds.
Before I was struck down by the accident, I was really fit, did loads of
active stuff like riding motorbikes, parachuting, canoeing, camping, DIY,
worked as a youth and community worker, then had my own jewellery
manufacturing and retail business, was extremely analytical, out going,
didn't suffer from depression, was the kind of person always helping others
by fund raising or doing stuff, one of life's "smile though anything and
deal with it" brigade and quite confident. These days, well I'm rather a
mess and just getting though the day can be an ordeal.
Peachy
<BBE...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Attitude can help you cope but believe me it's not a cure! If it where, I
would have been cured years ago! LOL
Peachy
<zho...@cat.com> wrote in message
news:qi4kjvgj7isq4fahu...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:37:18 +0100, "Peachy" <sb1504...@hotmail.com>
indirectly
> manipulated photons emitted by my display thusly:
>
> >~Maybe it's just me suffering from brain fog but I get the distinct
> >~impression that what he keeps saying is that it's all in our heads and
if we
> >~change our attitudes, as he did, we'd all make the same miraculous
recovery?
>
> You not only have to change your attitude, you need to join his cult and
provide free
> labor for them. According to the web pages they are getting desperate,
down to 3 or
> 4 people.
>
LOL he won't get much work out of me! I can't even stand up for more than a
couple of mins without getting a wobbly head, the other 3 or 4 people would
spend all their time picking me up of the floor!
BeiYin
> Peachy: I don't for one minute believe that it's got anything to do with
> personality. [...]
BeiYin: It has to do with your strong believes which make a good part
of your personality that this inhibits you to understand. You don't
want to understand because this would reduce your believes and so your
personality. So you find arguments...
Wouldn't it be much easier that you just ignore me? You can even put
me in a kill file, so that you don't see anything written from me. You
can protect yourself much simpler with less effort than writing all
those comments. Or do you think you must protect others?
BeiYin
> Peachy: Attitude can help you cope but believe me it's not a cure!
> If it where, I would have been cured years ago! LOL
BeiYin: 'Attitude' is an essential part of one's healing process. It
is not a cure by itself. The healing process is like a puzzle with
many pieces which must come together. One's attitude is one piece and
this appears by itself in the moment when other pieces were coming
together.
You are unbelievable professional in your cleverness interpreting
every thing so that it serves you in arguing and rejecting. I had ask
you in another thread what qualifies you to be a professional
counselor. You haven't answered yet, but I see: It is your clever way
to argue, going beyond any logic and intelligent thinking, obviously
your Fibromyalgia brain fog helps you in this. Sorry, but for me this
is too poor and I would prefer that you keep my writins out of your
comments. I really would appreciate this. Sometimes the water between
people is to big - No blame. Thank you.
BeiYin
Peachy
I admit that one of my biggest faults is that when I like people, I am over
protective. I'm sure that many here can stick up for themselves, however I
am fully aware that there are also several others here in somewhat fragile
circumstances and that to me, you are preaching something which is a load of
rubbish and perhaps even harmful because of the desperation FM brings to
your life.
You don't know me, you don't know my beliefs or you would know that I am a
very open minded and enquiring person. I haven't killfiled you because I've
been waiting for you to say something to back up your beliefs, since you are
so adamant that what you believe in works, which you haven't. Having spent
two years training as a counsellor and 10 years working as one, I think that
I know myself pretty well and if there where any major flaws in my
personality that where contributing to my illness, then I'm sure that I
would have noticed by now! I'm not perfect who is but I'm dying to know
what it is in a persons personality that causes FM according to you?
If I can find argument with what you have to say, it is because your beliefs
are flawed but in your own words, to accept that would reduce your beliefs
and so your personality.
Peachy
news:<bhduh2$4f4$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
> > Peachy: Attitude can help you cope but believe me it's not a cure!
> > If it where, I would have been cured years ago! LOL
>
> BeiYin: 'Attitude' is an essential part of one's healing process. It
> is not a cure by itself.
The healing process is like a puzzle with
> many pieces which must come together. One's attitude is one piece and
> this appears by itself in the moment when other pieces were coming
> together.
Attitude cannot appear by itself! Ask anyone here, it's damn hard to try to
stay possitive when you're in the grip of FM!
> You are unbelievable professional in your cleverness interpreting
> every thing so that it serves you in arguing and rejecting. I had ask
> you in another thread what qualifies you to be a professional
> counselor. You haven't answered yet,
Two years at college and taking reconised exams qualified me as a
counsellor, I was a damn good one too, well at least that what my tutor said
when he asked me to take over teaching his classes when I also qualified as
an adult tutor:-) Oh and I'm also a qualified typist, hypnotherapist,
computer technician and several other things including some holistic
therapies and a professional psychic. Come September, I'm taking an art
qualification although I doubt I'll want to be a professional artist:-)
but I see: It is your clever way
> to argue, going beyond any logic and intelligent thinking, obviously
> your Fibromyalgia brain fog helps you in this.
Dunno how you reckon that the brain fog helps me, some days it comes and
goes and is more of an hinderance than help but I am a very logical and
analyical person, who expects proof of things, which so far you've not
given.
Sorry, but for me this
> is too poor and I would prefer that you keep my writins out of your
> comments. I really would appreciate this. Sometimes the water between
> people is to big - No blame. Thank you.
> BeiYin
Sorry but this is a public ng and I am perfectly within my rights to reply
to any post. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs with me, perhaps
it's because they are too flawed to stand up to discussion? I am quite
prepared to discuss my beliefs with you or anyone else:-)
Fi & Paul
discussing anything sensibly. I've got your back, sister.
Fi
"Peachy" <sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhedpp$go6$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
Fi & Paul
answered to along with most of my other points and questions backed up by
his own words in the thread and the website! I think he's a bit frightened
of people who think for themselves! lol
Fi
"Peachy" <sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Peachy
> I'm with you Peachy! He is incapable of directly answering a question or
> discussing anything sensibly. I've got your back, sister.
> Fi
>
how we can also have a miracle cure;-)
Mike-UK
> A point I made to him in the "healing oneself" thread which he never
> answered to along with most of my other points and questions backed up by
> his own words in the thread and the website! I think he's a bit frightened
> of people who think for themselves! lol
You may be closer to the truth than you think here.
BeiYin
wrote:
> Mercy: Then explain why and how children cannot be healed, many of which have very
> happy and positive outlooks on life!!!
BeiYin: Who says that children can not be healed? What is the
disease? And what is the cause of this disease? Of course parents
are involved in the healing as they are probably also responsible
for the cause that their children are sick. Feeding them junk food,
allowing that they watch too many hours TV, living in a toxic
environment, etc.
If a child is sugar addicted - which one is not? - and then becomes
sick, to be healed it will need a change in it's lifestyle and it
will be also necessary a change in it's attitude, so it needs to
participate in the healing process by getting rid of the addiction,
understanding the reason why it became ill and what it needs to be
healed. If the child only gets medication for one's disease it will
develop more symptoms and be a normal member of our society,
becoming sicker and sicker and taking more and more medication...
I repeat: 'Healing' doesn't mean to get rid of the symptoms. Disease
is the reaction of the system which is out of balance and tries to
find it back. Seeing disease as something negative and feeling as a
victim, not asking oneself for the cause, doesn't allow to work in a
creative way on one's healing. The 'attitude' is an essential basic
step to enter a healing process...
BeiYin
<sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Peachy: I don't for one minute believe that it's got anything to do with
> personality. I think that if all of us here where to get together IRL then
> we would find that there where many different personality types and
> backgrounds.
BeiYin: Maybe you can try to leave your believes aside just for one
minute and listen:
What comes to you, what happens to you is the consequence of your
existence. It is the feedback your 'personality' receives because
you are acting and reacting as an alive being. You are not a victim
- you are causing it. You are trapped in it because you are
unconscious about it and turning around yourself, looking for faults
mainly in the outside, projecting and fighting against your
projection. Being involved in a common game and with this finding
self confirmation and satisfaction. Or you are suffering because
there comes the moment, when things are not going the way you want
it. You can go on and on, fighting and struggling. The reality and
you are like two stones in a mill and there is no doubt about it
that you will get worn out after enough time has passed. Your strong
personality, in spite of your perfectly build up defense, will be
reduced. If this doesn't happen through being beaten up from daily
life then through a disease. It should be clear by now that it is
NOT the personality type or the background, but just the personality
in it's existence. Which anyway is an illusion and nothing else than
a conglomerate of images, concepts, believes, identifications,
projections, wishes, mind and emotional properties and other
crystallized downloads...
BeiYin
<sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Peachy: I admit that one of my biggest faults is that when I like people, I am over
> protective.
BeiYin: A fault is that you *believe* that you like people. You are
over protective because you have taken this role, which gives you
satisfaction from those people who admire you and follow you so they
don't need to take responsibility for themselves.
> Peachy: I'm sure that many here can stick up for themselves, however I
> am fully aware that there are also several others here in somewhat fragile
> circumstances and that to me, you are preaching something which is a load of
> rubbish and perhaps even harmful because of the desperation FM brings to
> your life.
BeiYin: The fragile circumstances are not the reason why people
don't take responsibility for themselves and are not able to make
decisions to change something in their behavior, lifestyle and
attitudes. The circumstances are a challenge to confront reality and
that includes themselves. Giving people protection by convincing
them with your believes means holding them in dependency. Calling
rubbish what you don't understand and don't want to understand is a
very primitive defense and tells enough about yourself, so that will
not be fooled so easily. One must be very brain fogged not to be
able to look behind your motives.
>
> Peachy: You don't know me, you don't know my beliefs or you would know that I am a
> very open minded and enquiring person.
BeiYin: You are talking about your beliefs the whole time and in all
posts, that tells a lot about you and what kind of wonderful open
minded person you are, or belief you are. This your sentence gave me
a good laugh, such I haven't had for a long time.
> Peachy: I haven't killfiled you because I've been waiting for you to say
> something to back up your beliefs, since you are so adamant that what you
> believe in works, which you haven't.
BeiYin: When I write it is not about my 'beliefs', it is not a
concept or a theory. About what I am writing comes out of my
experience. It is trying to make you understand my way to walk the
road of life. It is NOT a specific road which has to be taken. It is
obvious that your mind functions differently and probably there is
no manner to make you understand. But I can say that as a result of
the way I am walking came the healing of my Fibromyalgia. This is
not a belief, this is a fact. Probably it is not possible for you to
believe this and you will look for reasons to undermine what I say
or using other blackmails to demonstrate that it is not possible to
believe me. I am not going to fight against this manipulations,
which seems to be a common way to get rid of influences which are
not welcome. I am getting tired of this, but I will stay as long
there is the chance that one or the other of the lurker might get
something beneficial out of my writing.
> Peachy: Having spent two years training as a counsellor and 10 years
> working as one, I think that I know myself pretty well and if there where any
> major flaws in my personality that where contributing to my illness, then I'm
> sure that I would have noticed by now! I'm not perfect who is but I'm dying
> to know what it is in a persons personality that causes FM according to you?
>
> If I can find argument with what you have to say, it is because your beliefs
> are flawed but in your own words, to accept that would reduce your beliefs
> and so your personality.
BeiYin: Yes I understand that you are a professional counselor.
Under daily circumstances I wouldn't talk with you. The situation in
this NG makes it different, when I am responding to your comments
then because of that people with Fibromyalgia who are sick enough
and tired of being sick, may find a way out of their suffering. I
don't mind when you see me as and call me a 'troll'. Your belief
that if you put a label on someone and insult strong enough that in
this way you can chase away the unwanted voice, then you are wrong.
I also feel responsible for people and so I will not hide myself and
express myself freely to every body who is willing to step out of
the established limitations which until now might have been a
protection but are worn out by now.
- -
http://falconblanco.com
BeiYin
<sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> BeiYin: The healing process is like a puzzle with many pieces which
>> must come together. One's attitude is one piece and this appears by
>> itself in the moment when other pieces were coming together.
> Peachy: Attitude cannot appear by itself! Ask anyone here, it's damn hard to try to
> stay possitive when you're in the grip of FM!
BeiYin: Of course the attitude is changing within a process which is
a healing or growing process. So the change is appearing by itself,
without effort as coming out of the growing. Like a blossom is
opening to a flower, this must not be 'done'.
It is hard to stay positive when this attitude comes out of a
concept and is not grown out of a healing and growing process.
A 'professional' is so full of concepts that he/she has little
chances to get out of it and even a disease like Fibromyalgia is not
enough to break down the self defense of this personality.
>
>> BeiYin: You are unbelievable professional in your cleverness interpreting
>> every thing so that it serves you in arguing and rejecting. I had ask
>> you in another thread what qualifies you to be a professional
>> counselor. You haven't answered yet,
>
> Peachy: Two years at college and taking reconised exams qualified me as a
> counsellor, I was a damn good one too, well at least that what my tutor said
> when he asked me to take over teaching his classes when I also qualified as
> an adult tutor:-) Oh and I'm also a qualified typist, hypnotherapist,
> computer technician and several other things including some holistic
> therapies and a professional psychic. Come September, I'm taking an art
> qualification although I doubt I'll want to be a professional artist:-)
BeiYin: My question was not rhetorical but I am not surprised that
you are answering in that way. That a qualification doesn't mean
much except it gives you a paper which is documenting that in a
square head there were put a lot of square information which gave
you enough concepts and the believe that you know more than those
people who are suffering and are feeling desperate, coming to you
out of helplessness, so that you can counsel them and make your
living out of this. In fact this is the established game in this
society. It doesn't work, there is no healing, but at least it gives
a certain frame in which people find some security. People with
Fibromyalgia hardly can find some of this security, this becomes
obvious when treated by med. doctors. Can this system offer a
solution? Yes, all are waiting for an effective vaccination or a new
pill. Oh gosh!
Why you don't want to be a professional artist? If you are good, you
can make a lot of money. 'Good' means that you are clever enough to
produce art in the style how it is wanted. Of course this is not
art. And that is the point: How can you be 'qualified' to be a
counselor if you are not also an 'artist of life'? You are nothing
else then being a square head - being blind guiding blinds...
>
>> BeiYin: but I see: It is your clever way to argue, going beyond any logic and
>> intelligent thinking, obviously your Fibromyalgia brain fog helps you in this.
>
> Peachy: Dunno how you reckon that the brain fog helps me, some days it
> comes and goes and is more of an hinderance than help but I am a very logical
> and analyical person, who expects proof of things, which so far you've not
> given.
BeiYin: Pretty obvious that you are limited to your logical and
analytical thinking, there is nothing which can go beyond this so
you will never be able to understand what I am talking about. You
are going only beyond logic and intelligent thinking or better said
you are staying below, when you are arguing and defending your
beliefs. You can only 'proof' things, when you are capable to go
into it and not just stay on the level of your logical and
analytical brain capacity. As you are so rigid identified with your
way of thinking there is no way that you may understand what I am
talking about. This is the reason why I suggested that you ignore my
writings or put me in your kill file. But of course this was just a
suggestion which could save us a lot of energy needing to write
comments, but I still have the hope that this serves for others in
the background, lurking but not expressing themselves...
>
>> BeiYin: Sorry, but for me this is too poor and I would prefer that you keep my
>> writings out of your comments. I really would appreciate this. Sometimes
>> the water between people is to large - No blame. Thank you.
>
> Sorry but this is a public ng and I am perfectly within my rights to reply
> to any post. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs with me, perhaps
> it's because they are too flawed to stand up to discussion? I am quite
> prepared to discuss my beliefs with you or anyone else:-)
BeiYin: Yes, yes, you are in your right, but don't be too much
disappointed in case I am ignoring your comments further on. I am
not discussing any beliefs, not with you and not with others. I can
see that you are willing to discuss and that you are prepared, but
this is not my intention, because of this kind of game I am healed
quite some time ago. If you want to be healed from Fibromyalgia then
you should consider to step out of these confirmation games and
questing yourself find something more essential and creative.
I wish you well!
BeiYin
<sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Peachy: LOL I tend to keep my words as simple and short as possible these days!
BeiYin: Thank you so much, this makes it easyer for me with my poor
English to understand you, althoh for this it doesn't need much,
just a logical and analytical mind, and this has any normal school
kid nowadays.
BeiYin
wrote:
> Fi: I think he's a bit frightened of people who think for themselves! lol
BeiYin: Interesting! You think that I am frightened because I am not
using the same defense tactic by attacking and insulting, calling
other people with words a sailor could be proud of and calling the
expression of others: excrements, shit, loads of crap, bull shit,
etc.
It is pretty clear that people using this defense technic are the
ones who are afraid, like soldiers who shoot first and then ask...
Fi & Paul
I think you will find that I have never called you any names! I have,
however, asked you questions which you continually evade. I have tried to
understand where you are coming from, I have read as much as I could of your
website and I have explained that I find your English extremely difficult to
understand. I also find that you are hypocritical in your approach to
people in this group. Anyone who asks a question or offers another opinion
is either ignored or told with long winded epistles of difficult to
understand language that effectively anyone suffering symptoms of
fibromyalgia are wrong and you are right. This is hardly being open.
Fi
Peachy
It sounds to me that this "personality" that you talk about is the
unconscious mind and personality, that which we do not preseve on a
conscious level?
Peachy
> Peachy: I admit that one of my biggest faults is that when I like people,
I am over
> protective.
BeiYin: A fault is that you *believe* that you like people. You are
over protective because you have taken this role, which gives you
satisfaction from those people who admire you and follow you so they
don't need to take responsibility for themselves.
Nope you are wrong, I have always been one of lifes "helpers" ever since I
was a child, sticking up for those being bullied, helping those who I can
and I've never expected anyone to admire me. I think if someone where to
say they admired me, I'd be rather shocked because I don't do stuff for any
reason other than if I have the time or ability to help, I do. I'd also
like to think that if we were a bit nicer and helpful towards others, that
the more it happens, the more the world would be a nicer place to live. I
won't be a crutch for anyone though and I try to help others to help
themselves too rather than depend on people to take the responsibly for
them.
> Peachy: I'm sure that many here can stick up for themselves, however I
> am fully aware that there are also several others here in somewhat fragile
> circumstances and that to me, you are preaching something which is a load
of
> rubbish and perhaps even harmful because of the desperation FM brings to
> your life.
BeiYin: The fragile circumstances are not the reason why people
don't take responsibility for themselves and are not able to make
decisions to change something in their behavior, lifestyle and
attitudes. The circumstances are a challenge to confront reality and
that includes themselves.
I disagree because the nature of FM is that it doesn't just affect your
body, it affects the though process and emotions to the extent of where you
oftan can't think staight enough to help yourself, no matter how much you
want to.
Giving people protection by convincing
them with your believes means holding them in dependency. Calling
rubbish what you don't understand and don't want to understand is a
very primitive defense and tells enough about yourself, so that will
not be fooled so easily. One must be very brain fogged not to be
able to look behind your motives.
I don't try to convince anyone of my beliefs or hold them in dependacy! I
have no motives! Why would I want to make people dependant on me, I have my
own life and kids that are dependant on me and that is enough!
>
> Peachy: You don't know me, you don't know my beliefs or you would know
that I am a
> very open minded and enquiring person.
BeiYin: You are talking about your beliefs the whole time and in all
posts, that tells a lot about you and what kind of wonderful open
minded person you are, or belief you are. This your sentence gave me
a good laugh, such I haven't had for a long time.
Well yours gave me a good laugh too because I've hardly mentioned my
beliefs, opinions based on scientific fact yes!
> Peachy: I haven't killfiled you because I've been waiting for you to say
> something to back up your beliefs, since you are so adamant that what you
> believe in works, which you haven't.
BeiYin: When I write it is not about my 'beliefs', it is not a
concept or a theory. About what I am writing comes out of my
experience. It is trying to make you understand my way to walk the
road of life. It is NOT a specific road which has to be taken.
Oh right, in one sentence you say that you want me to "understand my way to
walk the road of life" and in the next you say that it's not specific,
sounds rather contradictory to me and also that you are right and us here
are all wrong?
It is
obvious that your mind functions differently and probably there is
no manner to make you understand. But I can say that as a result of
the way I am walking came the healing of my Fibromyalgia. This is
not a belief, this is a fact. Probably it is not possible for you to
believe this and you will look for reasons to undermine what I say
or using other blackmails to demonstrate that it is not possible to
believe me.
Excuse me but I am NOT a blackmailer! Everyones mind functions differently
because everyone has different morals, beleifs, upbringing etc but that does
not mean that their way is wrong and yours is right. To be honest, I really
don't think that you had Fibromyalgia because you don't seem to understand
it in the least and everything you say seems to say that it's all in the
head!
I am not going to fight against this manipulations,
which seems to be a common way to get rid of influences which are
not welcome. I am getting tired of this, but I will stay as long
there is the chance that one or the other of the lurker might get
something beneficial out of my writing.
There are no manipulations, just discussions!
> Peachy: Having spent two years training as a counsellor and 10 years
> working as one, I think that I know myself pretty well and if there where
any
> major flaws in my personality that where contributing to my illness, then
I'm
> sure that I would have noticed by now! I'm not perfect who is but I'm
dying
> to know what it is in a persons personality that causes FM according to
you?
>
> If I can find argument with what you have to say, it is because your
beliefs
> are flawed but in your own words, to accept that would reduce your beliefs
> and so your personality.
BeiYin: Yes I understand that you are a professional counselor.
Under daily circumstances I wouldn't talk with you.
Well I probably wouldn't talk to you either as you seem to be a very narrow
minded person, who thinks that everyone is wrong but you.
The situation in
this NG makes it different, when I am responding to your comments
then because of that people with Fibromyalgia who are sick enough
and tired of being sick, may find a way out of their suffering. I
don't mind when you see me as and call me a 'troll'. Your belief
that if you put a label on someone and insult strong enough that in
this way you can chase away the unwanted voice, then you are wrong.
I also feel responsible for people and so I will not hide myself and
express myself freely to every body who is willing to step out of
the established limitations which until now might have been a
protection but are worn out by now.
I've never called you a troll nor insulted you strongly, believe me if I had
you would know about it because I don't mince my words:-) There are no
"established limitations" to wear out, nor are they protection, many people
are limited by FM not though choice but because you never know from one day
to the next how you will feel. I very much doubt that anyone here likes or
wants the pain or limitations. I know I certainly
--
Peachy
email is valid, just remove "nospam"y don't!
Mercy
permanently disabled.... that is what I am talking about. You are speaking
in such general terms. If healing was that easy, why are there so many sick
and disabled people? Not everybody who is sick and disabled has a negative
outlook on life..... you are generalizing so much it is absurd. Are you
basing your theories on what you read on these ngs? If so, you do not know
what goes on in people's real life. For instance, I have a happy, wonderful
life with supportive friends and family. If I over do activities, which are
fun and activities at that, I go into a flare. My attitude about life is
very positive..... your theory has so many holes in it, it is absurd and
ridulous.
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
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BeiYin
<sb1504...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip all]
Peachy, I'm really sorry but it seems indeed my English is too poor
so I'm not able to avoid all this misunderstanding which doesn't
allow that a discussion can start. I can see your good intention but
obviously we are living in different worlds and I hope you
understand that not responding to your comments doesn't mean that I
do not understand you. Indeed I do but I don't feel capable to
transmit my messages to you so that you can receive them as a help.
I wish you well!
BeiYin
- -
http://falconblanco.com/beiyin
PS: I suggest that you read my poetry, but you might need to step
beside your logical and analytical mind...
BeiYin
wrote:
> Mercy: Are you basing your theories on what you read on these ngs?
> If so, you do not know what goes on in people's real life.
BeiYin: What I am writing about is coming out of my experience
during my life together with more than fortyfive years of meditation
and trying to gain self knowledge. I do know what goes on in daily
life because I am living it and I went through Fibromyalgia for
several years, there is no theory about it. Yes, I have gathered
some information on my Web site, but I have tried to avoid any
theories., so most of it can be used by anybody and without side
effects and mostly without high cost. But it needs self
responsibility and at least a rest of energy to make a step towards
the self healing and the step to get out of old tracks of
thinking... For sure I'm not going to push anybody - it's up to you.
Peachy
>> BeiYin: The healing process is like a puzzle with many pieces which
>> must come together. One's attitude is one piece and this appears by
>> itself in the moment when other pieces were coming together.
> Peachy: Attitude cannot appear by itself! Ask anyone here, it's damn hard
to try to
> stay possitive when you're in the grip of FM!
BeiYin: Of course the attitude is changing within a process which is
a healing or growing process. So the change is appearing by itself,
without effort as coming out of the growing. Like a blossom is
opening to a flower, this must not be 'done'.
As I said, attitude does not happen by it's self! It does grow though, but
through a strong desire to change and a adapt and control what is wrong.
It is hard to stay positive when this attitude comes out of a
concept and is not grown out of a healing and growing process.
A 'professional' is so full of concepts that he/she has little
chances to get out of it and even a disease like Fibromyalgia is not
enough to break down the self defense of this personality.
A good professional is one who can adapt and is open minded to the
individuals needs they are suposed to be helping.
>
>> BeiYin: You are unbelievable professional in your cleverness interpreting
>> every thing so that it serves you in arguing and rejecting. I had ask
>> you in another thread what qualifies you to be a professional
>> counselor. You haven't answered yet,
>
> Peachy: Two years at college and taking reconised exams qualified me as a
> counsellor, I was a damn good one too, well at least that what my tutor
said
> when he asked me to take over teaching his classes when I also qualified
as
> an adult tutor:-) Oh and I'm also a qualified typist, hypnotherapist,
> computer technician and several other things including some holistic
> therapies and a professional psychic. Come September, I'm taking an art
> qualification although I doubt I'll want to be a professional artist:-)
BeiYin: My question was not rhetorical but I am not surprised that
you are answering in that way. That a qualification doesn't mean
much except it gives you a paper which is documenting that in a
square head there were put a lot of square information which gave
you enough concepts and the believe that you know more than those
people who are suffering and are feeling desperate, coming to you
out of helplessness, so that you can counsel them and make your
living out of this.
Actually I've never made a living out of couselling because I've always did
it voluntary, although I could have quite easily done so. As for square
head and square information, you are very wrong and clearly know nothing
about counselling. Yes people do go to counsellors out of desparation but
counsellors don't manipulate for their own benifit or tell people what to
beleive, in fact counsellors don't even advise, merely guide the person to
talk about relevant things in the hope that they will see where they are
going wrong for themselves and try to put it right.
In fact this is the established game in this
society. It doesn't work, there is no healing, but at least it gives
a certain frame in which people find some security. People with
Fibromyalgia hardly can find some of this security, this becomes
obvious when treated by med. doctors. Can this system offer a
solution? Yes, all are waiting for an effective vaccination or a new
pill. Oh gosh!
I don't think so! There are plenty of effective pills on the market but
doctors won't or can't prescribe them. I think that we all know there's
never going to be a cure but hope that science will leanr enough about FM to
provide more effective pain management for those who've had it long term and
perhaps learn enough about the early warning symptoms to prevent it getting
out of control. Maybe even come up with a pill to reduce brain fog.
Why you don't want to be a professional artist? If you are good, you
can make a lot of money. 'Good' means that you are clever enough to
produce art in the style how it is wanted. Of course this is not
art. And that is the point: How can you be 'qualified' to be a
counselor if you are not also an 'artist of life'? You are nothing
else then being a square head - being blind guiding blinds...
Wrong! What I meant by a professional artist is to make my living soley from
art but having said that, I guess making money from art makes me
professional, so therefore I am a professional artist to some degree as I
have been selling my encaustic art for several years and also make money
from digital art. I would never ever be happy producing what other people
want because the artist in my soul means that I create what I feel, not what
is wanted by others. I have many artist abilities by the way and greatly
appreciate natural art like sunsets or the colours of the seasons.
>
>> BeiYin: but I see: It is your clever way to argue, going beyond any
logic and
>> intelligent thinking, obviously your Fibromyalgia brain fog helps you in
this.
>
> Peachy: Dunno how you reckon that the brain fog helps me, some days it
> comes and goes and is more of an hinderance than help but I am a very
logical
> and analyical person, who expects proof of things, which so far you've not
> given.
BeiYin: Pretty obvious that you are limited to your logical and
analytical thinking, there is nothing which can go beyond this so
you will never be able to understand what I am talking about. You
are going only beyond logic and intelligent thinking or better said
you are staying below, when you are arguing and defending your
beliefs. You can only 'proof' things, when you are capable to go
into it and not just stay on the level of your logical and
analytical brain capacity. As you are so rigid identified with your
way of thinking there is no way that you may understand what I am
talking about. This is the reason why I suggested that you ignore my
writings or put me in your kill file. But of course this was just a
suggestion which could save us a lot of energy needing to write
comments, but I still have the hope that this serves for others in
the background, lurking but not expressing themselves...
>
Again you are wrong, yes I am a logical person but I am also a psychic and
very spiritual person which means that I also accept what many think is
illogical! If you knew me, you'd realise that no way am I rigid in my way of
thinking, except for when it comes to personal morals or standards and by
that I mean stuff like honesty, loyalty, sexuality, etc But just because I
have strong morals, I don't look down on those with lesser ones, just like
because I am hetrosexual, I don't think that homosexuality is wrong, I just
don't fancy women! Sometimes I wish I did because it would give me more
options:-)
>> BeiYin: Sorry, but for me this is too poor and I would prefer that you
keep my
>> writings out of your comments. I really would appreciate this. Sometimes
>> the water between people is to large - No blame. Thank you.
>
> Sorry but this is a public ng and I am perfectly within my rights to reply
> to any post. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs with me, perhaps
> it's because they are too flawed to stand up to discussion? I am quite
> prepared to discuss my beliefs with you or anyone else:-)
BeiYin: Yes, yes, you are in your right, but don't be too much
disappointed in case I am ignoring your comments further on. I am
not discussing any beliefs, not with you and not with others. I can
see that you are willing to discuss and that you are prepared, but
this is not my intention, because of this kind of game I am healed
quite some time ago. If you want to be healed from Fibromyalgia then
you should consider to step out of these confirmation games and
questing yourself find something more essential and creative.
I wish you well!
I kinda think that the reason you won't discuss your beliefs is because they
are flawed and won't stand up to discussion. As for finding something more
essential and creative, I gave up work in February (with a substantial drop
in income!) because I felt that I needed time "for me" so to speak and
reassess my lifestyle, which previously revolved around work and looking
after my kids. Ok at times it bugs me to be short of money but I feel that
my well being is more important because what affects me also affects my kids
and if I become a better person then my kids benefit too. I do stuff for me
now, very creative stuff actually. I did an art course and silversmithing
course before the summer hols and am doing more silversmithing, a open
college art course and a woodwork course in September, plus I've got several
old bits of furniture to restore and starting Tai Chi and Buddhist
meditation again. I doubt its possible to be more creative than that!
so you see, your assumptions about me are well off the mark!
Mercy
their own experiences as well. I am happy that you have found this road to
healing and good health but what works for you does not necessarily work for
everybody else. Everybody is different and their bodies respond differently
to stimulus, medications, environment and the list is endless. If
meditation makes you healthy and whole, it may not necessarily work for
"everybody" else. It is a good thought and practice but there are not
absolutes in this world the paths we are on in our lives. We are all guided
by different means, our own faith, our belief systems, our families of
origin... again the list is endless. You are only speaking of one small
practice in the whole entire scheme of things in one's life. Your thoughts,
be it good, are not all encompassing.... the complexities of healing are
much more complicated that one can even imagine. Thus far, there is no
absolute cure for FMS and other diseases. We can do things to lesson our
symptoms but healing is not option at this point. We can go into remissions
but we are never "healed". Thanks for sharing.
"BeiYin" <bei...@falconblanco.com> wrote in message
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Peachy
Ha shows how much you know about kids because they are totally illogical!
Thinking logically has to be learned just as analysing does and there will
always be those that can do it better or worse than others.
Peachy
<zho...@cat.com> wrote in message
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> manipulated photons emitted by my display thusly:
>
> >~
reply
> >~to any post. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs with me, perhaps
> >~it's because they are too flawed to stand up to discussion? I am quite
> >~prepared to discuss my beliefs with you or anyone else:-)
>
> You don't seem to get it, you're not supposed to discuss anything. You
should just
> blindly follow him. lol
Oh right, I though I was missing something! Don't think that I'd make the
grade then coz I'm capable of independent thought and action;-)
Peachy
[snip all]
Maybe if your English is so bad, it might be wise to refrain from posting in
English speaking groups and stick to your native language to avoid any
further misunderstandings and discussions. I'm not being nasty merely
saying that if you can't respond then it is best not to start discussion in
the first place with something so controversial as a cure for FM.
As for your poetry, I have had a brief look but feel that you would perhaps
be better off writing them in your native tongue as your grasp of the
English language isn't really good enough to produce something as emotional
as a poem such be and a lot is obviously lost in the translation. No
offence meant but when I read poetry, I like it to feed the spiritual or
emotional side of my personality and to "get" something from it, yours just
doesn't do that for me:-)
Laura
>;~)
State, but seeing the taxes we have to pay for the privilige to live here you
may be right
Laura, Keeper of the Hounds
Servant to 4 Cats, Shadow, Terra, Storm, Shotzie.
AKA
Lady's and Boomer's Mom. Slave to the Cats.
Laura
>a history freak claims historically it has always been bad (even worse).
>His theory is as long as they can not impale him or burn him alive he is
>basically happy
Things have changed they use guns now
Janis
the way I am walking came the healing of my Fibromyalgia. This is
not a belief, this is a fact.
Janis Writes: BeiYin, would you list what you exactly did in your walk that
brought along your healing of FM? I think many us could benefit if you'd
list the steps you took. Thank you.
--
Keep Smiling, Janis, Jessie, and Kelsea
--
Keep Smiling, Janis, Jessie, and Kelsea
René
time. I vote to not reply to one more post from him. Let's get on to more
important things, OK?
-- René
"Mike-UK" <Mi...@P90.mike.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.03081...@P90.mike.net...
BeiYin
wrote:
> BeiYin writes his comment to Peachy's post: as a result of
> the way I am walking came the healing of my Fibromyalgia. This is
> not a belief, this is a fact.
>
> Janis Writes: BeiYin, would you list what you exactly did in your walk that
> brought along your healing of FM? I think many us could benefit if you'd
> list the steps you took. Thank you.
BeiYin: Yes, I will do so. I need to work on this as it is a pretty
long list. Meanwhile you can go to my Web site where I have listed
some of the steps. This was written about half a year ago and is not
complete and updated yet.
http://falconblanco.com/health/2dx.htm
read also my epilog:
http://falconblanco.com/epilog
PS: I am glad that finally somebody comes to the subject and ask for
details. Thank you.
BeiYin
wrote:
[...]
> read also my epilog:
> http://falconblanco.com/epilog
The link for the 'epilog' has changed, the correct one is:
http://falconblanco.com/health/epilog.htm
BeiYin
wrote:
> Mercy: You are speaking only of yourself and your own experiences.
>
BeiYin: Yes, that's what I do in the first place. It's a testimonial
about my healing process. This I am trying to share. But apart of it
I am describing a lot of different treatments which I tried and
found helpfully in my healing. Those treatments are not coming out
of my experience originally but I am telling about it and my
experience with it. So it is up to you if you check it or not. If
you have adapted the opinion from somewhere that something is not
good then you will not try it and so maybe missing help in your
healing. If I tell you about my experience that not eating a certain
thing helps me and makes me feel better, then you might say: 'Yes,
but I like it...' And then this might be because you are addicted,
so probably you will reject my advice and continuing to eat
unhealthy. This is a simple example.
> Mercy: Each of us has their own experiences as well.
>
BeiYin: For sure and I can imagine that we can have an exchange
about it, not just for confirming each other, but looking critical
and using the view of others to proof one's objectivity.
> Mercy: I am happy that you have found this road to healing and good health
> but what works for you does not necessarily work for everybody else.
>
BeiYin: You are totally right. What doesn't exclude that one is open
for information and is using one's capability to check what is
offered and described.
> Mercy: Everybody is different and their bodies respond differently to stimulus,
> medications, environment and the list is endless.
BeiYin: Yes, everybody is different in one's programming in one's
personal structure, but not so much, because we are programmed
through the same culture, the same images and goals in this society,
etc. Many parts are very similar if not the same and with our body
it's not different, who reacts similar to different influences,
depending on the constitution and health situation. A healthy immune
system will react similar to a healthy system of another person to
the same influence, but will react differently if damaged.
> Mercy: If meditation makes you healthy and whole, it may not necessarily
> work for "everybody" else.
>
BeiYin: Meditation is NOT a cure for Fibromyalgia or other diseases,
but it can prepare and maintain the base to enter into a healing
process. I am convinced that meditation works for everybody, but of
course it has to be practiced, at least twice a day for twenty
minutes. And if somebody has a certain resentment against
meditation, will not do it, so it will not work.
> Mercy: It is a good thought and practice but there are not absolutes in
> this world the paths we are on in our lives. We are all guided
> by different means, our own faith, our belief systems, our families of
> origin... again the list is endless.
>
BeiYin: You are running against open doors? What you say is pretty
clear and I haven't written anything differently or against it.
We are not only guided but we are also limited by the same means,
which doesn't allow to be open. We chose influences which confirms
us and we reject every thing else. First comes the tendency to save
and protect the existing, there is no real openness, this is only
part of the self image.
> Mercy: You are only speaking of one small practice in the whole entire
> scheme of things in one's life. Your thoughts, be it good, are not all
> encompassing.... the complexities of healing are much more complicated
> that one can even imagine.
>
BeiYin: I am aware that with my intention I can't cover the entire
scheme, but I am trying at least to tell about this part which had
helped me to get back my health. As you can see from the reactions
in this news group how difficult it is even to start about it. There
are about 200 posts meanwhile, but hardly anybody comes up with a
creative question. Nearly all are defending their view and opinion.
This NG is a good learning place to see how people are stuck in
their condition - which in part is the cause of their disease...
> Mercy: Thus far, there is no absolute cure for FMS and other diseases.
>
BeiYin: You are right in the sense that there is no cure if the full
engagement of the sick person isn't included. More important than to
stick on the statement 'there is no cure' is the fact that self
healing indeed is possible, although extremely difficult, because
this is a totally new land. I am asking you to share my experience
so that we might discover it together...
> Mercy: We can do things to lesson our symptoms but healing is not
> option at this point. We can go into remissions but we are never
> "healed".
>
BeiYin: This is your personal experience and the adapted opinion of
other people. If you hold on with this view, then you close yourself
for any information which might proof it differently. Then there is
nothing else to say.
My personal experience is differently and I want to tell about it so
that people suffering from Fibromyalgia at least can have a choice.
They can stay with their experience and reject every thing else or
they can check the given information and start to bring it into
practice.
Our goal in life - as I see it - is to grow towards a goal we don't
know yet. But we can trust that our life is a progressive growing
process, which includes all happening within and around us. Having
this trust we can see things differently, attitudes are changing.
Disease is part of a healing process and not something negative.
Can you open yourself for this view? Then you will not feel as a
victim anymore... and it will allow you to search for new ways,
beside the established thinking, to heal yourself.
> Mercy: Thanks for sharing.
BeiYin: The same to you.
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