What is mason?
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ro...@pacificnet.net
Freemasonry is a Satanic cult that started with Ham of the book
of Genesis.
If one traces the Hermetic Sciences back far enough, one will find
that it leads to Ancient Babylonia, the evil Satanic Empire built by
the Hametic Rebel faction of Ham, Canaan, Sidon and Nimrod.
The Masonic "torch" was handed down by Ham, to these successive
patriarchs, who originally stole it from Noah. Now, "it" the Divine Right"
to Kingship, was stolen, perverted and handed down by Ham.
The Tablets of Destiny in the Zu Bird Myth of Sumerian Legend, was originally
owned by the Sumerian Noah. The apostates at Babel stole this Destiny
Tablets which they knew would give them total Imperial powers to take over the World.
Hence the Masonic goal today: A New Masonic One World Government.
What it was originally was the power given by God to Man to rule, yet under God's
guidance, yet, by Ham's perversion, it became perverted as a system
of man ruling man WITHOUT God's guidance; at least the Yahweh God of the
Old Testament. It was and still is a system to replicate the lost Utopian perfect
Eden lost by Adam and Eve. A centralized One World Empire built and controlled by
The Rational of the Human Brain, "REASON" without Faith or God.
After Babylon was destroyed at the Tower, as the Babylonian
Tarot cards show, Ham's degenerate sons colonized Egypt and other major colonial
empires. The symbolism’s are universal because of their monogenetic origin.
Hence different National Masonry’s can easily communicate and associate and
identify each other.
One can see that this is true for the simple fact Masons are everywhere today, and
have been everywhere sense the Tower of Babel.
Masons are Hamitic Babylonians out to rebuild a new world Kingdom, as Christ has
pointed out through St. John, when he says that Ancient Babylon will be revived
by the Synagogue of Satan in the last days. The United Nations is the beginning
of this Beast system, because it is a Masonic creation, and because it hates Christ,
because it hates the truth that Christ is returning to build the new kingdom.
Satanists and Masons are the same; and they WANT to build their World Kingdom
in hopes that they overthrough Christ's. They want to build it FIRST, before Christ
does. Once in office, they will slaughter everyone opposing them, ESPECIALLY
the Christians: See the beheading of the Saints in Revelation. See the Power
given unto the Beast to overcome the Saints., etc.
When one defines Masonry, he can trace it back through ALL the BLACK ARTS
of ancient Satanism, which is and was always opposed to God's plan. Black magic
was invented by the sons of Ham to overthrow Noah's system in favor of another
one. The black arts consist of psychodramas of torture, killing, fake wars that are planned,
presidential killings (Lincoln, Kennedy) and mind control operations. These are the same
as the ancient black arts, where the secret priesthood’s would lie and fake out the
simple masses, for financial and political reasons. It is the same GAME today as it was
in ancient Babylon. The Temple "Talking" fake heads and statues of the stupid God's
were only an invention of the Masonic priests: See the T.V. today, with all the Masonic
created "STARS" of Hollywood.
If one cannot realize this, he only has to read and identify everyone he can, and in
9 out of 10 cases he will find a MASON of 33 degrees and higher.
I have spent 25 years researching ANCIENT Religions and histories, AND ONLY
THIS EXPLANATION EXPLAINS ancient history. If you chose to swallow the Masonic lie, and adopt
their false misleading interpretive system, HISTORY WILL FOREVER STAY
a confused mess. I have 100's of pages of written materials to PROVE THIS, records that date back
from a few 100 years ago to Ancient records of 5000 years ago. Everything politically written
down SMACKS of some Masonic intrigue.
You want to trace Masonry back BEFORE YOU SWALLOW IT? Find out WHERE it comes from
before you EAT IT.
It comes out of Hellish Babylon. It is a DAMNED system created by evil creatures of hell, who
control poor deceived humans like Ham, Canaan, Sidon and Nimrod and the Masonic
Skull and Cross Bones members of Bush's Fraternity.
Please don't hate them. They do not know what they belong to. It is the top invisible figures
who know and are sold out to Satan. They know they worship Satan, who they identify
as Lucifer, The Angel of Light, or The Bringer of Illumination. The Great Architect.
I'll download to anyone interested in this information all my files to read.
S5150ER
>They know they worship Satan, who they identify
>as Lucifer, The Angel of Light, or The Bringer of Illumination. The Great
>Architect.
>I'll download to anyone interested in this information all my files to
read.
i was going to come up with a really good rebuttle to this ludicrous post
but i found that it would be better not to ( why get worked up over
something like this? ). ross@pacificnet go back home and play in your own
yard little boy.
fraternally,
steven s.
David I. Roller
'ro...@pacificnet.net' wrote:
>
>Freemasonry is a Satanic cult that started with Ham of the book
>of Genesis.
doesnt harm himself.
Michael Stiler
>What is free masonry and how does one become a mason?
Freemasonry is a world-wide Fraternity that has it's common roots back
in the early 1700s'. It is loosely based on the behaviour of the
early stonemasons from the days of the building of King Solomons'
second Temple up to the age when great edifices like Gothic Churches
stopped being built. The same ethics that the early Masons learned
that allowed them to learn about, and tolerate, other races, creeds and
cultures are still taught today; nominally called Brotherly Love and
Friendship.
While you must believe in a Supreme Being, there is no requirement
as to which one it should be. This does *not* make Freemasonry
a religion, but it does desire that *you* have one. Most members
have found themselves becoming more religious, and more active in their
own churches once they become members. There are Masons who are
Christian (all versions), Jewish, Hindu, Wiccan, etc. It doesn't
matter, as long as they can point to 'a' Supreme Being as their point
of belief.
While Freemasonry has some 'secret' modes of recognition, notably a
couple of handshakes and some words, we are not a secret society.
Masonic meeting places and meeting times are posted in telephone books
(look under Fraternities) and, at least here in the United States, also
posted on signposts at the outskirts of most cities.
The way that you become a Freemason is to find someone who is one already
and tell them that you would like to join. Sometimes you will see that
as a message on a car bumper (bumpersticker) saying "2B1 ASK1" which
simply means that "To Be One, Ask One". That person will then arrange
to get an application to you. If for some reason, you can't find a
Mason in the group of people that you know, you can call the secretary
of the local Masonic lodge (again, in the phonebook under Fraternity)
and explain your problem and then he will see to it that you are
contacted.
Because you posted your request for information on a public newsgroup,
you're probably going to get all kinds of replies. The ones from real
Masons, like myself, will be easy to spot. The ones from the phonies,
trollers and liars will be even easier - they'll tell you how Masonry
is satanic, how the Christian churches are against it, how we're
supposed to be taking over the world, etc, etc. It's just a line
of bull. The vast majority of real Masons will sign their posts with
their real name, not a 'handle'. So when you see names like:
mu...@pacificnet.net, ro...@pacificnet.net, Enchanter!, tvawter, Acacia
Press, or Rev. Gary Justice DD, these folks are rascists and hatemongers
and are not posting for *you*, they're posting strictly for themselves
and they don't really care what you are interested in or why. They
just want you to do what *they* think is correct; and it's ALWAYS
wrong. If you get two or more conflicting opinions about Masonry, then
I would suggest that you get yourself down to a public library and YOU
do the research about Freemasonry. Look into ALL aspects of the
Fraternity. I feel, and I've been a Mason for almost 20 years, that you
will find that it is the most wonderful organization you could ever hope
to join. The people you meet will be honest, law-abiding, TRUSTWORTHY
people who you would not be afraid to trust you life to.
I hope you won't mind, but I'm going to email you the Freemasonry FAQ
(Frequently Asked Questions) which will give you many more answers
about Masonry than I could ever hope to do. Masonry is not for
everyone, and no one is ever asked to join. You must be the one who
asks to become a Freemason.
Hope this helps,
Mike
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CHRISTIANITY
"Masonry is a search after Light.... Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its
teachings are instructions in religion."--Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma (1871;
Richmond VA: L. Jenkins, 1942) 741.
Albert Mackey, also a 33rd degree Mason , states in his Textbook of Masonic
Jurisprudence, affirms that Masonry is "undoubtedly a religious institution." (Chicago:
P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 95. And in his Manual of the Lodge he states, "As Masons we
are taught never to commence any great or important undertaking without first invoking
the blessing and protection of deity, and this is because Masonry is a religious institution.
(Chicago: P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 40.
But who is this deity that is invoked by the Masons?
"The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degree, maintained in
the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.... The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the
true and pure-philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the
God of Darkness and Evil."--Albert Pike, 1889.
"That which we must say to the crowd is -- We worship a God, but it is the God one
adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, [of the 33rd
degree] we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th
degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees,
maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would
Adonay [the God of the Bible] whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man,
barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?
Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that
there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for
the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its
foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue and the brake to the locomotive.
.... the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay,
the God of Darkness and Evil". -- Albert Pike.
In Morals and Dogma Pike sarcastically refers to the book of Revelation which denies
Lucifer's equality with God: "The Apocalypse is.... the Apotheoses of that Sublime Faith
which aspires to God alone, and [it] despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer...."
Continuing his praise of Lucifer, Pike says, "Strange and mysterious name to give to the
spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and
with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
(page 321).
And 33rd degree Freemason Manly P. Hall has this to say about Masonic aspirations:
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The
lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe
at their disposal. Man can only expect to the entrusted with great power by proving his
ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the
warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power , he has
learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and
before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this]
energy." -- Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry (1923; Richmond: Macoy
Publishing & Masonic Supply Co., 1976) 47-48.
These horrible and shocking admissions by high ranking and authoritative masons speak
for themselves. But what does Jesus the Christ, God's only begotten son and the holy
prophets have to say.
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down
to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above
the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the
north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou
shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the
man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the
house of this prisoners?...." -- Isaiah 14:12-17
And just as Lucifer shall be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit so shall every
worshiper of Lucifer be also brought down to hell also.
There is no other name under heaven besides the name of Jesus whereby ye may be
saved for as the apostle Paul said: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ
Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; But
made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in
the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every
name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and
things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is lord, to the glory of God the Father...." -- Philippians 2:5-11.
And Jesus himself said: "Verily, verily I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All
that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I
am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and
find pasture...." --
Thus those offering a different way to heaven are thieves and robbers and will surely be
brought to shame. And there shall be great wailing and gnashing of teeth.
But what of those masons who are in the lower degrees, those who have not been taught
that masonry worships Lucifer?
MASONS OF THE LOWER DEGREES ARE LIED TO ABOUT THE REAL GOD
OF THE BROTHERHOOD.
J. D. Buck reveals in his book Symbolism of Mystic Masonry: "It should be borne in
mind that in modern Freemasonry there is always an exoteric portion given out to the
world, to the uninitiated, and an esoteric portion reserved for the initiated, and
revealed by degrees according as the candidate demonstrates his fitness to receive,
conceal, and rightly to use the knowledge imparted." (1925; Chicago: Charles T.
Powner, n.d.) 69.
And Martin L. Wagner in his book Freemasonry, An Interpretation expands this idea:
"Masonic writers all agree that the doctrines of Freemasonry are presented to the Mason
not in open, direct and dogmatic manner, but in a veiled form either in allegory, or by
means of hieroglyphs, ideographs, ciphers, symbols, and in ambiguous language of
which misleading interpretations are purposely given so that if the Mason apprehends
the real meaning it is solely through his own wit and power of discernment.
That the institution may be perpetuated from generation to generation, and its integrity be
maintained, it is imperative that its essential secret doctrine be communicated from the
Mason to the neophyte in a manner that makes it secure from discovery by the
uninitiated. This is effected by means of symbols and art speech which are made to carry
under disguise a complete system of Masonic ideas of the deity, nature and man. This
teaching must be by symbols, for only by these can the doctrine be promulgated
Masonically. All explanations that are given of these symbols are designedly
misleading interpretations the more completely to defeat the interpreter, to hide
their Masonic meaning and to prove the candidate's ability to catch the Masonic
doctrine." -- (148, 149)
ARE THE AUTHORITIES QUOTED THE TRUE AUTHORITIES OF
MASONRY?
33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike occupied simultaneously the positions of Grand
Master of the Central Directory of Scottish Rite Freemasonry at Washington, D.C.,
Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of Scottish Rite Freemasonry,
Southern Jurisdiction at Charleston, S.C., and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal
Freemasonry. He was and perhaps still is the world's most esteemed Mason.
Likewise the other authors quoted are highly respected authorities of masonry.
If you as a mason, do not accept these writers as your authorities, then please respond by
stating who you do accept.
Also please show in the writings of those you accept as your authorities where they have
repudiated the degenerated and evil doctrines of these so-called respected Masonic
authorities.
FOR IF YOUR MASONIC AUTHORITIES DO NOT REPUDIATE
COMPLETELY THE WICKED AND EVIL DOCTRINES OF ALBERT PIKE,
MANLY HALL et al. THEN YOU AS A MASON BY ASSOCIATION AND
SILENCE OPENLY DEMONSTRATE YOUR OWN GUILT AND ADHERENCE
TO THIS GREAT ABOMINATION.
REPENT AND RECEIVE JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR. GET OUT OF
THE EVIL MASONIC LODGE.
COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, THAT YOU DO NOT RECEIVE OF HER
PLAGUES.
ro...@pacificnet.net
ro...@pacificnet.net
> gt_coo...@usa.pipeline.com writes:
>
> >What is free masonry and how does one become a mason?
>
>
> in the early 1700s'. It is loosely based on the behaviour of the
> early stonemasons from the days of the building of King Solomons'
> second Temple up to the age when great edifices like Gothic Churches
> stopped being built. The same ethics that the early Masons learned
> that allowed them to learn about, and tolerate, other races, creeds and
> cultures are still taught today; nominally called Brotherly Love and
> Friendship.
>
Mr. Stiler:
You're so full of lies and HORSE SHIT!!
You must be talking 30th and under Masonry deception.
This is crap.
READ YOUR WRITINGS and use some cross referencing, and then QUIT LYING TO
SIMPLE YOUNG PEOPLE AND TELLING THEM
That LIGHT can FELLOWSHIP WITH DARKNESS!!!
You re a God Damn Lier!!!!
Look up "LIGHT", then LUCIFER, then cross reference them!!!!In Masonry books.
Its Lucifer you worship!!! And you don't even know it.
Maybe you don't, but Pike DID.
And if you stay in, you'll soon be worshipping Lucifer, or you'll never get the the 33rd degree and up.
Ask your secret keeping Masonic Leaders, about the 34th, 35th and 36th degrees????
Here's where you'll find your Satanists and Assassins and Murderers of the Innocent.
In Masonry, you'll find that the circle represents this so called God.
The circle amounts to 360 degrees. 33 degrees is three short of making up the complete power
structure of Masonry. You will never know, until you get there.
Most of you idiots will never pass 33rd degree.
There is a 34th, 35th and 36th degree.
These are the Untouchables, the Lawless, one's NOT under any law.
They are the ones who kill Presidents WITHOUT FEAR OF PROSICUTION.
They are exempt from the laws.
If you're still under the LAW and rerspnsible, and cannot KILL someone without being fried in an electric chair,
you're not really any MAson of any worth or rank.
You're just the Devil's servant. Being lied to.
SEE:
ro...@pacificnet.net
Just go join a friendly PARK rap group.
Don't sell out to some mind bending lying fraternity
thast lies to everyone except those who get past 33rd degree.
Charles A. Plater
: Look up "LIGHT", then LUCIFER, then cross reference them!!!!In Masonry books.
: Its Lucifer you worship!!! And you don't even know it.
Lux Feris (Latin) = Light Bearer. Masons did not invent the name
Lucifer, that is a word used by Christians. Do they worship satan? (no,
of course they don't)
: Maybe you don't, but Pike DID.
Pike is a nobody. I have never meant another mason who thought of his
writings as authoritative.
: And if you stay in, you'll soon be worshipping Lucifer, or you'll never get
the the 33rd degree and up.
: Ask your secret keeping Masonic Leaders, about the 34th, 35th and 36th
degrees????
: Here's where you'll find your Satanists and Assassins and Murderers of the
Innocent.
: In Masonry, you'll find that the circle represents this so called God.
: The circle amounts to 360 degrees. 33 degrees is three short of making up
the complete power
: structure of Masonry. You will never know, until you get there.
: Most of you idiots will never pass 33rd degree.
: There is a 34th, 35th and 36th degree.
There is no such degree. (Oh that't right I wouldn't know about it,
because I'm not a 33rd) Hogwash. There never was such a degree. Craft
Masonry (Blue lodge. 1st - 3rd degrees) were around a long time before
any of the other degrees. The Scottish rite is an apendant body that has
no control over craft masonry, the same with York Rite (of which
Commandry is explicitly Christian)
: These are the Untouchables, the Lawless, one's NOT under any law.
: They are the ones who kill Presidents WITHOUT FEAR OF PROSICUTION.
So John Wilkes Boothe, and Lee Harvey Oswalt were "upper" masons?
: They are exempt from the laws.
: If you're still under the LAW and rerspnsible, and cannot KILL someone without
being fried in an electric chair,
: you're not really any MAson of any worth or rank.
: You're just the Devil's servant. Being lied to.
: SEE:
: FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
: CHRISTIANITY
: "Masonry is a search after Light.... Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of
religion; and its
: teachings are instructions in religion."--Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma (1871;
: Richmond VA: L. Jenkins, 1942) 741.
Please post the whole quote without the elipses, and you will see that
this is being taken out of context.
: Albert Mackey, also a 33rd degree Mason , states in his Textbook of Masonic
: Jurisprudence, affirms that Masonry is "undoubtedly a religious institution."
(Chicago:
: P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 95. And in his Manual of the Lodge he states, "As Masons we
: are taught never to commence any great or important undertaking without first invoking
: the blessing and protection of deity, and this is because Masonry is a religious institution.
: (Chicago: P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 40.
A religious institution is not a religion. Again post the whole quote,
not one sentence, and you will see that this is not the point which he
was trying to make
[Leo Taxil Hoax quotes removed)
Aren't the last two paragraphs part of the Leo Taxil hoax? You see Leo
Taxil published some lies, which he said were quotes from Albert Pike.
They are not, and Leo Taxil revealed the hoax before his death
: These horrible and shocking admissions by high ranking and authoritative masons speak
: for themselves. But what does Jesus the Christ, God's only begotten son and the holy
: prophets have to say.
There are no Authoritative masons.
: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down
: to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above
: the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the
: north:
: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou
: shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
: They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the
: man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
: That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the
: house of this prisoners?...." -- Isaiah 14:12-17
: J. D. Buck reveals in his book Symbolism of Mystic Masonry: "It should be borne in
Hahaha - This proves that your sources are the Leo Taxil hoax. He was
the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite
(which is like being the President (ie chief officer) over Scottish Rite
masonry in the Southern US -- basically he was in charge of the
meetings. He had no power of Craft Masonry)
: Likewise the other authors quoted are highly respected authorities of masonry.
: If you as a mason, do not accept these writers as your authorities, then please respond by
: stating who you do accept.
My reasons are above stated. But here is a summary
1) Neither Pike, Mackey nor any other mason are authorities. No mason
speaks for the whole Fraternity.
2) Your quotes of Pike come from a proven lie (who is the liar here)
which was propogated by Leo Taxil, and he revealed that it was a lie a
very long time ago.
: Also please show in the writings of those you accept as your authorities where they have
: repudiated the degenerated and evil doctrines of these so-called respected Masonic
: authorities.
There are none. There are only opinions. If you quote anything in a
certain way, you can get it to say what you want to. Masonry is NOT
evil, and masons do NOT worship satan or lucifer.
[messed up logic deleted]
IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE SAME SINS THAT ALBERT PIKE
WAS, BECAUSE HE WAS AN AMERICAN TOO.
(This is completely facetious (sp?) )
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> Re: Here's Masonry !!!!!
>From: ro...@pacificnet.net
>Date: 16 Apr 1996 07:02:50 GMT
why don't you just go away and post somewhere where some-one cares....like
maybe in loonie-tunes. how can anyone, including yourself, take you
seriously when it is obvious that you do not have much education...at
least look up words that you do not know how to spell. and maybe a
writing class wouldn't hurt either.
f&s
steven s.
Regina Townsend
>> in the early 1700s'. It is loosely based on the behaviour of the
>> early stonemasons from the days of the building of King Solomons'
>> second Temple up to the age when great edifices like Gothic Churches
>> stopped being built. The same ethics that the early Masons learned
>> that allowed them to learn about, and tolerate, other races, creeds and
>> cultures are still taught today; nominally called Brotherly Love and
>> Friendship.
>>
>......................................................
>Mr. Stiler:
>You're so full of lies and HORSE SHIT!!
>You must be talking 30th and under Masonry deception.
>This is crap.
And it is too --
Hello, Ross --
Haven't heard from you for a while. How's things?
Still trying to sell folks on your "secrets"?
I'm still waiting for those books, by the way.
Yours truly,
Regina D. Townsend
Robert Lewis
No I personaly didn'y think ya was otta line one lettle biet!
Michael Stiler
>FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
>CHRISTIANITY
And you're an idiot in conflict with commonsense!
snipped the rest of this fool, ro...@pacificnet.nets' rantings
Mike
p.s. Has there been any newspaper articles about escaped mental
patients lately?? A bunch of them seem to have found a
'home' in these Masonic newsgroups.
Michael Stiler
>> gt_coo...@usa.pipeline.com writes:
>> What is free masonry and how does one become a mason?
>>
>>>>>
>FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
>CHRISTIANITY
And you're a religious bigot in conflict with tolerance!
The remainder of this nutcases', ro...@pacificnet.net, rantings
have been deleted.
Mike
p.s. Are there any Brethern who are inclined towards musical
composition? I'd like to have a song written especially
for these crazies that are starting to inhabit the
Masonic newsgroups. I was thinking of something along
the line of that beautiful melody, "Clar d'Loon"<sp?).
Perhaps something appropriately titled "Clarion Call of
the Net Loonies" <huge smile>.
Michael Stiler
Brethern, and original gt_coolie_boy:
I should have mentioned in my writings to the original questioning poster,
gt_coo...@usa.pipeline.com, that once he *does* become a Mason he will have
to suffer the slings and arrows of the sick, demented crazies like the above
loose-cannon nutcase, ro...@pacificnet.net. I should have mentioned to him about
how these wackos, usually uneducated, always intolerant, and certifiably crazy
will be all over him regaling him with these weird stories of Masonic Murders,
Masonic Kidnappings, New World Orders, and probably how we Masons are getting
our orders from the Snake People under the North Pole. I should have reminded
him that those yelling the loudest, such as the ever-able uppercase keylock
user, *ross*, above are always the ones with the least knowledge of what they're
speaking (SHOUTING) about. They have never been members of the fine Fraternity.
Most, judging by their weird rantings and ravings in these newsgroups, would
not even be the type of person who could *become* a Mason. I should have
explained to him that they use the old "Squeaking Wheel Gets The Grease" style
of making themselves look important. They seem to assume that by shouting the
loudest and using the wildest imaginings possible that they will somehow be
noticed in a world that has already passed these losers by. The style doesn't
work, and by default, neither do they.
Yes, there are *many* things of which I should have written to the original
poster to give him better understanding of the differences between those
who _become_ Masons, and those that haven't got the capacity to even understand
what it is. I could have done all that and I still would not have displayed
a portion of that which our, seemingly, resident poster *ross* has done so
well by _his_ posting. Looking at this posting, and of course all his
others, can only make a person glad that they have chosen to become a Mason
rather than becoming whatever in Gods' name *ross* has become.
With Fraternal Regards,
Mike
Pedrotti
Get help soon. You are very ill.
Peter
BradzoWF2
>Look up "LIGHT", then LUCIFER, then cross reference them!!!!In Masonry
books.
>Its Lucifer you worship!!! And you don't even know it.
Uh, would this be like, uh, when the Bible talks about Jesus Christ being
the "light of the world," so that would, uh, like, make him satanic, too,
since the word "light" can only, uh, refer to lucifer?
>In Masonry, you'll find that the circle represents this so called God.
>The circle amounts to 360 degrees. 33 degrees is three short of making up
the
>complete power
>structure of Masonry.
Am I the only one who has noticed that the name ross@pacificnet net is
exactly 18 letters which is 3x6 which could also be written 6*6*6 ? (Of
course, there IS a period between the pacificnet and the net, but it's not
actually a letter, and everyone knows that the antichrist will be real
sneaky and pretend to be good, so I thing the period is just to throw us
off!) Guess this explains why *ross* knows so much about this whole world
power thing: he's running the show!!
Daedulas
>> What is free masonry and how does one become a mason?
>>
>>>>>
>God forbid.
>Just go join a friendly PARK rap group.
>Don't sell out to some mind bending lying fraternity
>thast lies to everyone except those who get past 33rd degree.
>SEE:
>FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
>CHRISTIANITY
>
>"Masonry is a search after Light.... Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its
>teachings are instructions in religion."--Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma (1871;
>Richmond VA: L. Jenkins, 1942) 741.
>Albert Mackey, also a 33rd degree Mason , states in his Textbook of Masonic
>Jurisprudence, affirms that Masonry is "undoubtedly a religious institution." (Chicago:
>P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 95. And in his Manual of the Lodge he states, "As Masons we
>are taught never to commence any great or important undertaking without first invoking
>the blessing and protection of deity, and this is because Masonry is a religious institution.
>(Chicago: P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 40.
Fundamentalist Christians display the source of much of their confusion in
postings like these. Taking religious writings literally and projecting
their own prejudices into every word they read, while seemingly full of
hate as they attempt to 'save' you .
>the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.... The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the
>true and pure-philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
>Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the
>God of Darkness and Evil."--Albert Pike, 1889.
> "That which we must say to the crowd is -- We worship a God, but it is the God one
>adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, [of the 33rd
>degree] we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th
>degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees,
>maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would
>Adonay [the God of the Bible] whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man,
>barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?
>Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that
>there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for
>the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its
>foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue and the brake to the locomotive.
>.... the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
>Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay,
>the God of Darkness and Evil". -- Albert Pike.
agenda), perhaps you could see what was really being said here. Perhaps
real freedom frightens you. It is so much easier to hate and close your
eyes, but you know all about that.
>Lucifer's equality with God: "The Apocalypse is.... the Apotheoses of that Sublime Faith
>which aspires to God alone, and [it] despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer...."
>Continuing his praise of Lucifer, Pike says, "Strange and mysterious name to give to the
>spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and
>with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
>(page 321).
>
>And 33rd degree Freemason Manly P. Hall has this to say about Masonic aspirations:
>"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The
>lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe
>at their disposal. Man can only expect to the entrusted with great power by proving his
>ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the
>warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power , he has
>learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and
>before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this]
>energy." -- Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry (1923; Richmond: Macoy
>Publishing & Masonic Supply Co., 1976) 47-48.
consider that Lucifer is Gods most true worshiper (in your narrow religious
view) since he refused to bow down to man, and what greater pain to one
than separation from what one loves (hell). I personally don't believe in
satan, only ignorance disguised as satan by some who look outside
themselves for something to take responsibility for their 'evil' thoughts.
credibility
who mislead, inspire hatred, confuse truth with lies, and seek not
understanding but domination.
mu...@pacificnet.net
>
>
> Freemasonry is a world-wide Fraternity that has it's common roots back
> in the early 1700s'. It is loosely based on the behaviour of the
> early stonemasons from the days of the building of King Solomons'
> second Temple up to the age when great edifices like Gothic Churches
> stopped being built. The same ethics that the early Masons learned
> that allowed them to learn about, and tolerate, other races, creeds and
> cultures are still taught today; nominally called Brotherly Love and
> Friendship.
>
.....................................................
Mr. Stiler:
You're so full of lies and HORSE SHIT!!
You must be talking 30th and under Masonry deception.
This is crap.
READ YOUR WRITINGS and use some cross referencing, and then QUIT LYING TO
SIMPLE YOUNG PEOPLE AND TELLING THEM
That LIGHT can FELLOWSHIP WITH DARKNESS!!!
You re a God Damn Lier!!!!
Its Lucifer you worship!!! And you don't even know it.
And if you stay in, you'll soon be worshipping Lucifer, or you'll never get the the 33rd degree and up.
Ask your secret keeping Masonic Leaders, about the 34th, 35th and 36th degrees????
Here's where you'll find your Satanists and Assassins and Murderers of the Innocent.
The circle amounts to 360 degrees. 33 degrees is three short of making up the complete power
Most of you idiots will never pass 33rd degree.
There is a 34th, 35th and 36th degree.
These are the Untouchables, the Lawless, one's NOT under any law.
They are the ones who kill Presidents WITHOUT FEAR OF PROSICUTION.
They are exempt from the laws.
If you're still under the LAW and rerspnsible, and cannot KILL someone without being fried in an electric chair,
you're not really any MAson of any worth or rank.
You're just the Devil's servant. Being lied to.
FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
CHRISTIANITY
"Masonry is a search after Light.... Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its
teachings are instructions in religion."--Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma (1871;
Richmond VA: L. Jenkins, 1942) 741.
Albert Mackey, also a 33rd degree Mason , states in his Textbook of Masonic
Jurisprudence, affirms that Masonry is "undoubtedly a religious institution." (Chicago:
P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 95. And in his Manual of the Lodge he states, "As Masons we
are taught never to commence any great or important undertaking without first invoking
the blessing and protection of deity, and this is because Masonry is a religious institution.
(Chicago: P.R.C. Publications, n.d.) 40.
But who is this deity that is invoked by the Masons?
"The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degree, maintained in
the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.... The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the
true and pure-philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the
God of Darkness and Evil."--Albert Pike, 1889.
"That which we must say to the crowd is -- We worship a God, but it is the God one
adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, [of the 33rd
degree] we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th
degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees,
maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would
Adonay [the God of the Bible] whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man,
barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?
Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that
there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for
the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its
foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue and the brake to the locomotive.
.... the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but
Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay,
the God of Darkness and Evil". -- Albert Pike.
In Morals and Dogma Pike sarcastically refers to the book of Revelation which denies
Lucifer's equality with God: "The Apocalypse is.... the Apotheoses of that Sublime Faith
which aspires to God alone, and [it] despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer...."
Continuing his praise of Lucifer, Pike says, "Strange and mysterious name to give to the
spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and
with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
(page 321).
And 33rd degree Freemason Manly P. Hall has this to say about Masonic aspirations:
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The
lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe
at their disposal. Man can only expect to the entrusted with great power by proving his
ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the
warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power , he has
learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and
before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this]
energy." -- Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry (1923; Richmond: Macoy
Publishing & Masonic Supply Co., 1976) 47-48.
These horrible and shocking admissions by high ranking and authoritative masons speak
And Martin L. Wagner in his book Freemasonry, An Interpretation expands this idea:
JRose10117
>Subject: Re: Masonry is New World Order HELL ON EARTH!!! See the
dollar
>Bill!!!!
>From: ro...@pacificnet.net
>Date: 16 Apr 1996 07:20:46 GMT
>
>Ross bubba's stuff snipped>
Ross bubba, Is this the only post you have ?
I thought you would be busy answering our questions?
What Gives ?
JR
Pedrotti
---a large load of crap identical to numerous others---
Ross,
Apparently, your computer skills now consist entirely of the key sequence
Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. After repeating it often enough, it has come to
constitute your entire mental repertoir. A serious danger is that if you
are in a car crash and the medics hook you up to an EEG machine, this
level of mental activity might not be enough to convince them you are
still alive. Stupidity has been cited as the only truly universal capital
crime. Help yourself while there is still time.
Peter
S5150ER
s.
Joe S. Rose
Barry Albin
appendant bodies. The Blue Lodge is a York Rite Lodge. If you are an
American or Canadian Mason, you are a York Rite Mason. If you have also
joined the Scottish Rite, you are a Scottish Rite Masons. An ancient
agreement between the Grand Lodges and the Supreme Council, AASR, lets
the York Rite Lodges initiate Scottish Rite Masons, but there is no need
to do so nor would you be less a Mason if you were initiated into the
Scottish Rite originally.
There are seven degrees in York Rite Masonry but originally the Third
Degree was not completed until you received the Royal Arch Degree.
Someday, if York Rite Masonry continues the way it is going, there may
only be Scottish Rite Masonry in America.
In England, Scotland,and Ireland there is primarily York Rite Masonry and
in the normal sense of the word, no Scottish Rite Masonry exists.
Albert Pike was not the first nor will he be the last Sovereign Grand
Commander.
Rabbi Barry Albin 32 KCCH
Grand Chaplain elect, Grand Council, Royal And Select Masons of Kansas
High Priest, Past Commander, and Past Illustrious Master.
TStone8278
>Subject: Re: What is mason?
>From: ro...@pacificnet.net
>Date: 15 Apr 1996 06:18:54 GMT
>
>> gt_coo...@usa.pipeline.com writes:
>> What is free masonry and how does one become a mason?
>>
>>>>>
>
>Freemasonry is a Satanic cult that started with Ham of the book
>of Genesis.
------------clip-----------------------
GT,
Our poor misguided Ross just flamed you and the world really well. He
is so full of, as one comedian says, "Cacai" it is not funny. You need to
obtain the Masonic FAQ from alt.freemasonry. Please signup to
alt.freemasonry and get the correct info.
Basically we are a group of men who believe in a supreme Being (in the
US this is generally GOD) and are not restrictive of other religions. We
believe in the Golden Rule and that man can be better by assiting other
men, women and children in this world thorugh such programs as -
the Shrine burn and crippled children clinincs
the Scottish Rite speech clinics
York Rite eye foundations and
So on.
Terry Stone, PM
Mike Hall
> Let it be known, the Royal Arch Chapter and the Scottish Rite are not
> appendant bodies. The Blue Lodge is a York Rite Lodge. If you are an
> American or Canadian Mason, you are a York Rite Mason. If you have also
> joined the Scottish Rite, you are a Scottish Rite Masons. An ancient
> agreement between the Grand Lodges and the Supreme Council, AASR, lets
> the York Rite Lodges initiate Scottish Rite Masons, but there is no need
> to do so nor would you be less a Mason if you were initiated into the
> Scottish Rite originally.
Uh, excuse me? Would you mind saying that again slowly ... no, wait til I
get a pencil, I may want to take notes ...
Mike Hall Merced CA
=======================================================
Wise men speak because they have something to say.
Fools speak because they have to say something.
=======================================================
Jim Bennie
: Let it be known, the Royal Arch Chapter and the Scottish Rite are not
: appendant bodies. The Blue Lodge is a York Rite Lodge. If you are an
: American or Canadian Mason, you are a York Rite Mason. If you have also
: joined the Scottish Rite, you are a Scottish Rite Masons. An ancient
: agreement between the Grand Lodges and the Supreme Council, AASR, lets
: the York Rite Lodges initiate Scottish Rite Masons, but there is no need
: to do so nor would you be less a Mason if you were initiated into the
: Scottish Rite originally.
Barry, I really don't follow your logic here. Our Lodges
initiate candidates, they don't initiate Masons, Scottish Rite
or otherwise.
My Grand Lodge has never signed any "ancient agreement" with
the Scottish Rite. In fact it predates the Supreme Council of
Scottish Rite of Canada by three years.
Just because the Scottish Rite, somewhere along the way, may
have developed a first, second and third degree, that doesn't
mean that any other first, second or third degree must be York
Rite.
And because the Royal Arch degree is considered part of
Ancient Craft Masonry in England, but part of the York Rite
in North America, it doesn't follow that Ancient Craft Masonry
is part of the York Rite. The English system is much different
than what we have here.
The Craft Lodges degrees in Canada are not considered to be
part of the York Rite or any other Rite. Both the York and
Scottish Rites are concordant bodies which one can venture
into *after* their MM degree.
Jim Bennie
PM/Historian Alliance No. 193
Vancouver
Michael Stiler
>In article <4l4n0p$f...@news2.cais.com> muse wrote:
>mu...@pacificnet.net=ro...@pacificnet.net
Thanks Joe, I *just now* noticed that they were the same person. I guess
that *DIMWIT* 'muse' forgot to alter his headers once too often. I kick
myself for not recognizing his 'style' (to put a very loose term on it)
before you mentioned it.
I'm at least grateful for one thing. At least there are not TWO witless
imbeciles on this group, just the one: 'muse'.
Michael Stiler
>>
>>
>> Freemasonry is a world-wide Fraternity that has it's common roots back
>> in the early 1700s'. It is loosely based on the behaviour of the
>> early stonemasons from the days of the building of King Solomons'
>> second Temple up to the age when great edifices like Gothic Churches
>> stopped being built. The same ethics that the early Masons learned
>> that allowed them to learn about, and tolerate, other races, creeds and
>> cultures are still taught today; nominally called Brotherly Love and
>> Friendship.
>>
>.....................................................
>Mr. Stiler:
>You're so full of lies and HORSE SHIT!!
Well *muse* (or should I say, *ross*), how nice of you to attempt to
entertain us with your comedy act again. I imagine the strain of
trying to pretend that you have any intelligence must be wearing on
you quite a bit now, isn't it? Perhaps you should take another break
from these newsgroups until you've gathered your wits (such as they are)
about you, and then, fully recharged (you know, for those battery-powered
transmitters implanted in your butt), you can jump right back into the
fray here. How does that sound? Good. That's a nice boy (pat, pat, pat).
Now, I'm gonna trust you alone here for a while, so be sure not to soil
the carpet like you normally do. Good boy (pat, pat, pat). Now rollover
and play dead. That's a good boy (pat, pat, pat)!.
As always, I am filled with humor at your invective,
Mike
p.s. By the way, *muse*, did you notice on one of my earlier posts I
asked for any Masonic Brother with musical composition talents
to step forward (beginning with the left - oh sorry, joke you
wouldn't understand <grin>), and write a beautiful, enchanting
song that would be dedicated solely to you, *muse*. It would be
in the same vein as "Clar d'Loon", but would of course have to be
renamed in order not to plagarize. I had suggested the witty, yet
irrepresible name "Clarion Call of the Loonies". While I'm not sure
it would go Platinum, it would certainly go Gold, especially with
every Mason in the world who would whistle it, or hum it, every time
they read one of your morally-embarrassing postings. Hope you
appreciate the thought that went into it, *muse*. I know I do!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!
TStone8278
>
>>mu...@pacificnet.net=ro...@pacificnet.net
>
>
>Thanks Joe, I *just now* noticed that they were the same person. I guess
>that *DIMWIT* 'muse' forgot to alter his headers once too often. I kick
>myself for not recognizing his 'style' (to put a very loose term on it)
>before you mentioned it.
>
>I'm at least grateful for one thing. At least there are not TWO witless
>imbeciles on this group, just the one: 'muse'.
>
>Mike
>--
>Michael D. Stiler Sysdate Consulting Services ::internet
sti...@netcom.com
>
Also, don't forget you can write to the Postmaster and let them know how
you feel about his actions on the net. They too might wat to know that
muse and ross are the same person if they do not already know....
He loves it when you write the Postmaster.
Okiraven
(TStone8278) writes:
>He loves it when you write the Postmaster.
>
>
But he hates it when we just send it back to him.
glenn barker pm/32o
uriah #227 OKC OK
jde...@pulsenet.com
> Let it be known, the Royal Arch Chapter and the Scottish Rite are not
> appendant bodies.
Barry, you're very wrong. The Scottish Rite is one of two appendant
bodies in which a Master Mason may proceed after he has completed the
three degrees of Blue Lodge or Craft Masonry.
> Rabbi Barry Albin 32 KCCH
> Grand Chaplain elect, Grand Council, Royal And Select Masons of Kansas
> High Priest, Past Commander, and Past Illustrious Master.
>
Jon DePoe, PM
http://www.pulsenet.com/~jdepoe/623.html
Sunset Lodge Home Page
Murray Lampert
]
]
]]
]]
]] Freemasonry is a world-wide Fraternity that has it's common roots back
]"
Jeez...get a life.
Tim O'Hare
You appear to be the biggest idiot, by far, to post to
any Masonic Newsgroup for a long time. The wealth of lies,
half-truths and b-llsh-t that you promulgate about Freemasonry
are akin to a blind man railing that light and color don't exist
because he does not have the capacity to see them. You listen to
men who are not Masons, do not know the degrees or forms of our
Craft and accept them as truth - but then ignore and attack those
who have actually gone through the degrees and know the structure
of our organizations. That is sheer stupidity! Using my
previous analogy, this is like your reading braille books by
likewise blind authors saying that light and colors are myths and
your accepting these books as truth. Take the time to learn the
truth from someone who knows it before posting again - Or just go
away. No man has the right to LIE about others in a public forum
- I believe it is called libel and/or slander depending on the
medium used. Every time you lie about Freemasonry on the
Internet you are LIBELING every Mason in the world. If I were
you, I would be afraid that a Lawyer or man with deep pockets,
who is also a Mason, may file a suit against you someday!
Timothy J. O'Hare, PM
Senior Steward
Park Hill Lodge #148 A. F. & A. M.
Denver, Colorado
--
Tim O'Hare "Consistency is the last refuge
The Pros From Dover of the unimaginative."
72030...@compuserve.com Oscar Wilde
Bob Turley
>Let it be known, the Royal Arch Chapter and the Scottish Rite are not
>American or Canadian Mason, you are a York Rite Mason. If you have also
>joined the Scottish Rite, you are a Scottish Rite Masons. An ancient
>agreement between the Grand Lodges and the Supreme Council, AASR, lets
>the York Rite Lodges initiate Scottish Rite Masons, but there is no need
>to do so nor would you be less a Mason if you were initiated into the
>Scottish Rite originally.
>
>Degree was not completed until you received the Royal Arch Degree.
>Someday, if York Rite Masonry continues the way it is going, there may
>only be Scottish Rite Masonry in America.
>
>In England, Scotland,and Ireland there is primarily York Rite Masonry and
>in the normal sense of the word, no Scottish Rite Masonry exists.
formed in 1845 from an original patent (c1819) from US (Charleston S.
Carolina???). The US council originaly came from the Grand lodge of
France together with the Council of the knights of the East from Europe
in the 1760s. (So it appears that somehow it went out and came back??)
The 18th,30-33rd degrees at least(to my knowledge) are worked in full in
England, the 1st-3rd are 'equivelent' to craft but arn't worked. Royal
Arch, KT etc are separate as in US. The Royal Arch is still considered
the completation of the 3rd here, rather than as a '4th' degree.
Apologies if I have misunderstood your caviat 'normal sense of the
word'. I'd be interested in finding out more about the differences
between UK and US, especially as I'm going into 'Rose Croix' (18th) as
we call it myself fairly soon.
kind regards...
--
Bob Turley
Don B. Russell
re: the enclosed posting.
I may be off base, but here in Canada (Alberta, B.C. & Sask.
anyway) the primary working is basically, Emulation, and we do have
Lodges working the "Ancient York Rite", which is similar to what I
have seen South of the border in the U.S.
I'm sending this as I have seen this post before and thought
someone would say something.
There is quite a difference between "Emulation" or Canadian
Rite and the York Rite.
My apologies if this has been already cleared up.
Don Russell
On Sun, 28 Apr 1996, Bob Turley wrote:
> In article <4l6m1g$2...@suba01.suba.com>, Barry Albin <bar...@qni.com>
> writes
> >Let it be known, the Royal Arch Chapter and the Scottish Rite are not
> >appendant bodies. The Blue Lodge is a York Rite Lodge. If you are an
> >American or Canadian Mason, you are a York Rite Mason. If you have also
> >joined the Scottish Rite, you are a Scottish Rite Masons. An ancient
> >agreement between the Grand Lodges and the Supreme Council, AASR, lets
> --
> Bob Turley
Ed King
And your version of Christianity includes calling people foul names and
making up scenarios that are outright lies eh?
When _will_ we get that answer about the resolution of your statement
that 'Light = Lucifer' and the Bible's statement that Jesus was "...the
Light...."?
More complaints to your inet postmaster are _sure_ to follow if you keep
this up, child!
Tony Stanbridge
In article: <VA.000000e...@slip-b-5.mint.net> Ed King
1. Why does everyone keep threatening complaints to postmasters? Why would
anyone imagine thiswould have any impact? And quite frankly, sysadmins are
not responsible for the content of postings to a newsgroup save where
acceptable protocols have been abused.
2. Maybe you should be asking yourself why people like *muse* are so
anti-Masonic. Why are people anti anything. There are either frightened,
have suffered or expect to suffer or have or are being excluded.
Frightened of Masons? - Reasons - none I can think of and I am speaking as a
non-Mason.
Suffered or expect to suffer? - Interesting. Do Masons cause suffering as
part of their work? Probably not.
Excluded - Hmmmmm - getting warm???
--
Tony Stanbridge
walter briscoe
In article <833481...@bramble.demon.co.uk>
To...@bramble.demon.co.uk "Tony Stanbridge" writes:
> 1. Why does everyone keep threatening complaints to postmasters? Why would
> anyone imagine thiswould have any impact? And quite frankly, sysadmins are
> not responsible for the content of postings to a newsgroup save where
> acceptable protocols have been abused.
Spam and velveeta are generally held to be offensive. AFAIK,
postmasters have no interest in clients who persist in such behaviour.
> 2. Maybe you should be asking yourself why people like *muse* are so
> anti-Masonic. Why are people anti anything. There are either frightened,
> have suffered or expect to suffer or have or are being excluded.
Very difficult to tell. I have yet to have the courtesy of a reply from
a masonic flamer to a private communication.
> Frightened of Masons? - Reasons - none I can think of and I am speaking as a
> non-Mason.
I fully accept that some flamers believe that they have a duty of care
to their neighbours - Freemasons who endanger their immortality as such.
Quiet argument based on facts will support a case.
As a Freemason, I was saddened when a Brother found his Freemasonry no
longer compatible with his Christianity.
As a Freemason, I am delighted that a Brother who found his Freemasonry
no longer compatible with his Christianity is not now a Freemason.
--
walter briscoe
Patrick Labbe
"FreeMasonry's simplicity, its dignity, and its spirituality sustain
me in all that I try to do, and permit me to forget the incredible
pettiness of mind that we sometimes encounter, sustaining and enabling me
to join hands with my Brethren everywhere, to do something, if it be only
a little, before the end of the day, to make a gentler, kinder, and wiser
world in which to live."
-- Joseph Fort Newton
Patrick C. Labbe MPS
Blue #142 AFM
Dillon SC
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In <833481...@bramble.demon.co.uk> Tony Stanbridge
<To...@bramble.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>In article: <VA.000000e...@slip-b-5.mint.net> Ed King
><edk...@mint.net> writes:
>>
>> And your version of Christianity includes calling people foul names
and
>> making up scenarios that are outright lies eh?
>>
>> When _will_ we get that answer about the resolution of your
statement
>> that 'Light = Lucifer' and the Bible's statement that Jesus was
"...the
>> Light...."?
>>
>> More complaints to your inet postmaster are _sure_ to follow if you
keep
>> this up, child!
>
>
would
>anyone imagine thiswould have any impact? And quite frankly, sysadmins
are
>not responsible for the content of postings to a newsgroup save where
>acceptable protocols have been abused.
>
>anti-Masonic. Why are people anti anything. There are either
frightened,
>have suffered or expect to suffer or have or are being excluded.
>
speaking as a
>non-Mason.
>
as
>part of their work? Probably not.
>
>Excluded - Hmmmmm - getting warm???
>
>--
>Tony Stanbridge
>
answers......hmmmmmm. Again, I offer you my email address to discuss
this matter. Whether you refer to Don, Muse, Les, Ross, or any other of
the people you emulate, is there any possibilty that these people are
just trying to get some attention? Maybe they are just lonely, with no
real direction to take their lives and grab the first brass ring that
they see?
Hmmmmmm.....getting warmer?
>
Ted Morgenthaler, PM, just another mason.
Murray Lampert
"In article <4l4n0p$f...@news2.cais.com], mu...@pacificnet.net says...
"FREEMASONRY IS A RELIGIOUS SYSTEM IN CONFLICT WITH
"CHRISTIANITY
Those 32 degree Masons must be a pretty wicked bunch....
Did you know that Shriners, who are all 32 degree Masons, contribute
over one million dollars EACH AND EVERY DAY, to childrens' hospitals
and burn centres in North America?
Don
>Hmmmmmm! You present the questions and you present the
>answers......hmmmmmm. Again, I offer you my email address to discuss
>this matter. Whether you refer to Don, Muse, Les, Ross, or any other
of
>the people you emulate, is there any possibilty that these people are
>just trying to get some attention? Maybe they are just lonely, with no
>real direction to take their lives and grab the first brass ring that
>they see?
>Hmmmmmm.....getting warmer?
>>
>Ted Morgenthaler, PM, just another mason.
Ted.... You don't really want to go public with your kind of evident
behaviour, do you?
T.Morgenthaler
In <4mbdeu$i...@news.icon.net> d...@icon.net (Don) writes:
>
>>Hmmmmmm! You present the questions and you present the
>>answers......hmmmmmm. Again, I offer you my email address to discuss
>>this matter. Whether you refer to Don, Muse, Les, Ross, or any other
>of
>>the people you emulate, is there any possibilty that these people are
>>just trying to get some attention? Maybe they are just lonely, with
no
>>real direction to take their lives and grab the first brass ring that
>>they see?
>>Hmmmmmm.....getting warmer?
>>>
>>Ted Morgenthaler, PM, just another mason.
>
You still never cease to amaze me. How much more public do you wish to
go? Is this not public? Or do you have some other explanation for this
group, the internet and the gospel of life according to Don?
Still praying for you, Don. Please wake up.
Ted Morgenthaler