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Aug 29, 2004, 8:08:01 PM8/29/04
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John H Shaw (alias Peachy Carnehan) wrote:
>
> "Ed King" <edk...@masonicinfo.com> wrote in message
> news:VA.000011a...@earthlink.net...
> > In article <MU3Yc.989$8d1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Peachy
> > Carnehan wrote:
> > > I'm not the one that originally crossposted. If it has been
> crossposted, I
> > > just reply to it. I don't take the time to care where it is posted to
> and
> > > really have no interest in that. I just reply, so if it is crossposted
> and
> > > it bothers you, I suggest that you go to the source of the crossposting,
> > > instead of getting lippy with someone midstream, who simply just replied
> to
> > > a post as you did. The fact that you took enough time and energy to
> remove
> > > a crosspost is irrelevant, as well as your choice. Do I not have a
> choice
> > > to NOT remove it? Or are you just simply attempting to impose your will
> > > unto another? ANSWER.
> >
> > YES WE ARE! You can play with your little friends in alt.satanism if you
> want
> > and make a complete fool out of yourself until the cows come home - as,
> > obviously, you are hell bent on doing but at least have the common
> courtesy
> > to respond to what others are asking you to do politely and have done on
> > MULTIPLE occasions.
>
> I thank you for admitting that you are imposing your will upon me, but you
> know where you can stick it if you do not like it. Straight up your butt.
> That's right. Also, I am not "playing with my little friends" in alt.s,
> kiddo. I am retorting to lies spread about me by jealous and troublemaking
> children with no lives.
Lies?
I challenge ANYONE to dispute the following information linking JOHN H SHAW of Scottsdale Lodge 43 F&AM to years of involvement in SATANISM!
John H Shaw
3524 N. Miller Rd. #4
Scottsdale Az
85251
480-429-5321
Scottsdale Lodge 43 http://www.scottsdalelodge43.com
http://ilectric.com/find.cgi?e=207&s=scottsdalelodge43.com
Administrative Contact:
Scottsdale Lodge 43 F. & A. M.
Lodge Secretary
2531 N Scottsdale Rd.
Scottsdale, AZ 85252
US
Phone: 480-946-1072
Fax..: 480-946-1534
Email: jo...@shawcreation.com
Technical Contact: ShawCreation.com John Shaw
P O Box 11644
Scottsdale, AZ 85271-1644
US
Phone: 480-429-5321
Email: jo...@shawcreation.com
SatanicSupplies.com http://www.satanicsupplies.com
http://ilectric.com/find.cgi?e=207&s=satanicsupplies.com
Administrative Contact:
SatanicSupplies.com
Owner of
P O Box 11644
Scottsdale, AZ 85271-1644
US
Phone: 480-429-5321
Email: indn...@satanicsupplies.com
Technical Contact:
SatanicSupplies.com
Owner of
P O Box 11644
Scottsdale, AZ 85271-1644
US
Phone: 480-429-5321
Email: indn...@satanicsupplies.com
Shaw Creation http://www.shawcreation.com
http://ilectric.com/find.cgi?e=207&s=shawcreation.com
Administrative Contact:
Shaw Creation
John H Shaw
P O Box 11644
Scottsdale, AZ 85271-1644
US
Phone: 480-429-5321
Fax..: 480-429-5321
Email: jo...@shawcreation.com
Technical Contact:
Shaw Creation
John H Shaw
P O Box 11644
Scottsdale, AZ 85271-1644
US
Phone: 480-429-5321
Fax..: 480-429-5321
Email: jo...@shawcreation.com
New Church of Satan trade name registration:
http://www.azsos.gov/scripts/TnT_Search_Engine.dll/ZoomTNT?NME_ID=252575&NME_CODE=NME
New Church of Satan trademark registration:
http://www.azsos.gov/scripts/TnT_Search_Engine.dll/ZoomAGT?AGENT_ID=342777
John H Shaw and SatanicSupplies.com's Better Business Bureau report:
http://www.data.bbb.org/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=phoenix/phoenix/showrpt.html?zid=27000414
John H Shaw admits to dealing drugs among other things:
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=YzaFa.42788%24Io.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net
Google newsgroup search of SatanicSupplies.com:
http://www.google.com/groups?as_epq=satanicsupplies.com
Google newsgroup search of John H Shaw:
http://www.google.com/groups?as_epq=john%20h%20shaw
As you can see from his history on Usenet John H Shaw has identified
himself with Satanism for far longer than he has been associating with
Freemasons. Both he and his fellow lodge brothers are denying that Shaw
is a Satanist and have even gone as far as claiming that message posted
by Shaw in the past were in fact electronic forgeries. It look as if
they have something to hide. Why is that?
--
"My name is John Shaw. I have been a Satanist since I can remember."
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Tani Jantsang
Sep 1, 2004, 10:01:13 PM9/1/04
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"Tani Jantsang" <tjs...@SPAMpost.com> wrote in message
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> This IS the truth - and he just owned up to it to Robert Hedley on
> alt.satanism. This IS the truth. Eat it.
>
> From: John H Shaw-(r) <js...@satanicsupplies.comical>
> Newsgroups: alt.satanism
> Subject: Honesty, Integrity, Frankness and Candor (Coming Clean)
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>
> Honesty, Integrity, Frankness and Candor (Coming Clean)
>
> This is my attempt at telling the truth about myself. I feel that many
> here have put up with it long enough and have earned an explanation.
> Today, of all days, I became sick of lying and defending myself from the
> onslaught for no damn reason, whatsoever. I was ashamed of the things I
> have done in the past and I wanted to, somehow, force my fantasies upon
> those that went against me, or something. I really have no excuse. I
> am just sick of it. There are too many things in my life happening for
> the good right now to be using my time keeping track of stories. It
> just wasn t fun anymore, really. I wanted to engage in convos about
> Satanic and/or interesting subjects when I first got here and that is
> what I would like to do now, as well. Here goes:
>
> My name is John Shaw. I have never been one to turn and face my
> problems. I have always pushed them away or hid them deeper inside to
> use when I was pounding
>
> someone s head in or lifting weights. Not anymore. Nobody likes
> their dirty laundry exposed for all to see, but in the time I have
> posted here, I learned very much. I don t care anymore about it.
> Most here are very smart people who I have learned much from, whether
> they know it or not. You will find NO LIES here.
>
> I have been a Satanist since I can remember. I picked up a copy of the
> Satanic Bible and like most, found the words to be all I ever thought
> of. It was amazing to me that one man could have put the words together
> to what I have been feeling all along. I learned that Satanism demands
> study, not worship, so I learn more and more, everyday. You know the
> story anyway, when I learned of the internet, I searched for Satanic
> items and found a very few. I ordered things from Hell s Kitchen,
> only to receive them 8 months later and damaged. I ordered things from
> satannet.net, only to receive them 6 months later. No lie. So, I
> decided to start SatanicSupplies.com because I was told that I make an
> excellent wall plaque of Baphomet and make excellent candles. I made my
> own and friends I met locally and through the internet. They paid
> shipping and it was my gift to some, etc. Anyway, the suggestion came
> to me and I started it up from what I learned in school about coding
> websites.
>
> I am a High School graduate and I attended a local college for Computer
> Networking and graduated. There, I learned the aspects of networking
> computers and software, such as Win95/98 and Office products. I, then
> attended a University to attain my Bachelor s in Software Engineering.
> I did not complete the course, due to having children and various other
> reasons, not important to the point. I received no degree from that
> university, but I learned much about HTML and Javascript and graphic
> design, which I utilized on many websites I have done.
>
> I, originally, contacted Peter Gilmore with an opportunity for the CoS.
> We spoke on the phone a couple of times and traded much email pertaining
> to SatanicSupplies.com. Most of what he kept talking about was a 10% of
> sales for all Baphomet related items. Inside, I wanted to help the
> organization that the man I admired had founded, but I found Gilmore to
> be ugly about it. After all, the Baphomet was of my own design, which
> he said to have admired. So, I sent some items to Blanche Barton, per
> his request. Some time went by and in my lack of patience, I inquired
> as to what she thought about them, etc. I mean weeks and weeks went by.
> I was excited about starting SatanicSupplies.com, but didn t want to
> step on toes. Two days later, I received the items back, one of them
> broken in half and including a nasty letter from her saying that I said
> some wrongful things to her via email. I have never emailed her, spoke
> to her or even about her, ever before that. I didn t understand. So,
> in my anger and rage, I opened it up and starting selling many items. I
> couldn t believe the orders that came in. 100 s of orders a
> day no lie. I was working hard at filling orders by myself. I,
> regret to admit, that it got out of hand for me. I was busy with other
> companies I had started with friends. I started a sign shop and a knife
> shop. The sign shop went downhill, due to our lack of attention to it.
> We never went out and drummed up business for it. The knife shop
> continues to flourish today, really. Slow, but growing.
>
> Anyway, when I encountered alt.Satanism, I was thrown into the whirlpool
> of onslaughts of insults, etc. The only thing I could think of to do
> was retaliate with crazy stories in a vain attempt at looking important
> or something. That went over like a fart in church. I don t really
> remember anymore. I made up story after story and it got way out of
> hand. I should have just said hello first. I don t know what else to
> say, really. I just want it to stop. Here is a list of things I want
> to address:
>
> 1.. I have no degree or certs other than my degree from the first
> college in Computer Networking, as far as school goes.
> 2.. I never made it to my Bachelor s degree, but it was the program
> I signed up for.
> 3.. Al-Jilwah magazine is not published, yet, but I have 100 s of
> articles and pictures that were submitted for publication. I just
> don t have the funds to devote to the publishing of it, yet. I truly
> want to publish it and have the magazine. Coming soon, right?
> 4.. New Church of Satan has approximately 42 members, no lie. I did
> it in a vain attempt to change what the current CoS was about. I never
> thought ANYONE would join, but those who helped found it. I really
> don t have the time or energy to continue it. I am not the only
> person who started it. The main reason that it wasn t opened up for
> the general public was because I was fighting it inside myself. I knew
> it was wrong to do, but did it anyway. No excuse. I was receiving
> flack for doing it and flack for not doing it. I ve decided, after
> two frickin years, to not do it.
> 5.. I DO have my 2nd degree Black Belt in Jeet Kune Do. That was not
> a lie. I spent most of my life working on my physical appearance and my
> self-defense skills. I attended Chinese Shaolin Kung Fu when I was 12
> years old for about 2 years. I attended Tae Kwon Do when I was 14 for
> about a year and a half. I studied Judo for about 6 months one year at
> the local Boys Club. I went to High School and met some pretty nice
> friends there who introduced me to Jeet Kune Do. I studied with my
> instructor privately, as well as group classes for close to 11 years and
> received my 2nd Degree Black. After that, I studied alone and practiced
> and taught some children and friends through the years. I had two
> friends from the Navy Seals teach me some dirty tricks time and again,
> which were wonderful to know.
> 6.. I never was going to fight in the UFC, although I would like to.
> The reason I made that up was because my friend here signed me up for
> Rage in the Cage. I didn t fight there, though. I always felt I
> needed a reason to hurt someone physically. You know, they had to do
> something to me or my loved ones first, so I may retaliate. I am
> muscular and some say, very intimidating in person, but I am not a
> raging lunatic about it. I work out for the therapy of it, mentally.
> The release. The fatigue. The results, physically, of course, but for
> me and my lady.
> 7.. I never appeared in Pitch Black 2. There was a rumor about me
> doing it, so I went with it. I am a client of one of the local agencies
> in Scottsdale. They blew smoke up my ass about sending my stuff to the
> film company on that movie. Those places don t really do much, though.
> They make you pay $90 and take pics of you and that s it. There was
> a picture of me from that agency on here once.
> 8.. I never posted here anonymously. I always used my computer and
> used my internet service, so my IP always showed it was me. I am aware
> of two instances, that I can remember, where someone spoofed an IP or
> something. I don t know how they did that.
> 9.. I never joined the CoS. I was never a member. I wanted to be a
> member at some time, but never actually sent them 100 skins. I heard
> too many rumors and stories about the goings-on and didn t want to
> lose $100 to an org that may not be in my best interest.
> 10.. We were robbed, but they were not CoS members. I was continuing
> my anger with the CoS, but my hissy fit is over. Done. Many things
> were stolen and broken, etc. That is the reason why we closed up for
> awhile. I have been trying to recover from that for some time. There
> was no insurance. No record with the police station because I was
> sharing the storage with someone that owned some illegal items, which I
> believe, personally, that they were after these items and found some
> Satanic-related things to destroy, in their wonderful christian duty.
> Anyway, we kept our stuff at a local run-o-the-mill storage facility.
> We felt the padlock was good enough not enough, I guess.
> 11.. I do not own my own home. One can only hope that I will in time.
> It s hard with two children and income only sourcing from me and my
> endeavors, however failing or thriving they may be. It never seems to
> be enough, though.
> 12.. I have been in various rock bands throughout my life. That was
> true. I played out in many places up and down the East Coast mostly
> New York and Connecticut. I started rapping when I was 17. I
> literally, have notebooks full of lyrics. Friends of mine say that I
> should make it and want to know why am I not doing anything with it. I
> really just want to sell my lyrics and not have to do any touring, etc.
> I never wanted to get caught up in that life.
> 13.. I sold drugs. I was arrested for selling drugs, yes. I never
> spent one minute in a jail cell or prison cell, though. It was my first
> offense and I had a wonderful lawyer. Drugs were not found on my person
> and I had a concealed weapons permit for my gun. I made many mistakes
> in life, yes, like most who live on this planet. I was never proud of
> doing it, but I knew many people and saw them buying all kinds of drugs,
> so I said to myself that they should be buying it from me, then. I made
> a lot of money doing it, but the party was over 9 years ago. Since
> then, I left my old neighborhood and supposed friends behind and moved
> here to start a new life. I, currently, do not use drugs and haven t
> for 9 years. I went to the colleges mentioned above and begat two
> beautiful daughters. My lady is my best friend. Yes, her name is
> Marlene. I made a website for a clinic that her father was a practicing
> physician at.
> Look, I m not proud of some things that I did in my life. We live and
> we learn. I am proud of many things in my life, as well. All this is
> for is to set the record straight. Now, we can go from there, instead
> of being caught in a stagnant conversation about the same story over and
> over, if anyone would like to. I deserve most of what I get from some
> people here, I guess.
>
> I apologize to certain people here that I may have wrongfully attacked.
> Most were right about me in some ways.
>
> This is not an attempt to sweep it under the rug if anyone wants to
> address anything I ve said, that s fine, by all means, please do.
> I m not running off somewhere I ll be right here, where I always
> was. I just wanted to be in touch with other Satanists and engage in
> some intelligent conversations. That blew up in my face like a
> cardhouse in the wind! I m not playing a victim, either. All that
> has happened to me was because I allowed it to happen to me. The fault
> is mine. My friends here were putting me up to a lot of the things I
> said here. They thought it to be a big joke and it was all supposed to
> be here, but got out of hand and the only one suffering was me, not
> them. No more of that crap. Yes, Jason Shank is a real person who used
> to reside next door to me, but no longer lives here and I no longer have
> contact with him, since he moved. His real name is Jason Shannon. I
> attended the University mentioned above with him and told him about the
> low-priced apartment complex in Scottsdale. That may have been a
> mistake, as he did not pay his last month s rent before he left. I
> nick-named him Shank in school because of his pencil. It was made of
> steel.
>
> Anyway, I only hope that people here can forgive me for being such an
> ass the past two years here. If not, I fully understand. I am simply
> happy that I do not have to lie or exaggerate any longer. The weight is
> lifted!
>
> John Shaw
> --> news:VA.000011c...@earthlink.net...
> > In article <Bt2Zc.3726$w%6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Peachy> > > news:VA.000011b...@earthlink.net...
> >
> > > Nothing I have done is unMasonic.
> >
> > I see. So the profanity and all you just consider to be.... what?
> >
> > A good example for those seeking to learn about the fraternity perhaps?
> >
> > > > > > > Also, I am not "playing with my little friends" in alt.s,
kiddo.
> I
> > > > > > > am retorting to lies spread about me by jealous and
> troublemaking
> > > > > > > children with no lives.
> > > > > >
disagree?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, me.
> > > >
> > > > I've yet to see any REAL Masons disagree, Mr. Shaw.
> > >
> > > I am a real Mason and trust me, many disagree.
> >
> > Strange. Where have they posted that disagreement?
> >
> > I've seen several here AGREEING that your behavior is infantile and
> > inappropriate but NONE (I'll repeat: NONE!) come to your defense.
> >
> > Is there some post I've missed perhaps?
> >
> > Would you like to create a pseudonym to post on your team perhaps?
> >
> > > > > > > By the looks of your website,. it would seem that you know
> EXACTLY
> > > > > > > what I mean.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, and I also have a page about "Our Black Sheep" which seems
> like a
> > > > > > PERFECT fit for you, Mr. Shaw.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course it does. Anytime anyone disagrees with you , you act
like
> a
> > > > > child and bitch and moan about them on your little website.
> > > >
> > > > Again, more adult behavior exhibited.
> > >
> > > ditto.
> >
> > As above....
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > Now, get back to your little website, so when I see my name on it,
I
> > > > > can TAKE IT DOWN.
> > > >
> > > > WOW! Orders and threats too. VERY impressive.
> > >
> > > That's not a threat. That is a promise. If I see my name on your
> website
> > > without my permission, I will most definitely have the whole site
taken
> > > down, while under investigation.
> >
> > Oh, really. And just exactly how do you propose to do THAT?
> >
> > > > Just so I can be sure that I have the correct information, perhaps
you
> > > > would like to verify a few facts:
> > > > 1) You are/were a Satanist? From when to when?
> > >
> > > Never.
> >
> > Some amplification is needed here:
> >
> > Have you ever *claimed* that you were a Satanist?
> >
> > > > 2) You own/owned a store selling satanic supplies? From when to
> when?
> > >
> > > From 1999-2001
> >
> > But you don't own it now?
> >
> > Why do you have a website that deals with Satanism then?
> >
> > > > 3) You joined Freemasonry when?
> > >
> > > I was Raised in 2004.
> >
> > So when you told us how all of your "Brothers" and all of the Grand
Lodge
> > officers there in Arizona were so very familiar with you and this whole
> > situation, this all has occurred in the past eight months?
> >
> > > > Here's your chance to 'set the record straight' as you so frequently
> whine
> > > > about wanting to do. Please set forth ALL of the "facts" so that all
> can
> > > > make an intelligent judgement on this.
> > >
> > > You tend to whine, yourself, so...
> >
> > Your opinion is duly noted. However, I'm attempting to sort out the
> > information relating to YOU, Mr. Shaw.
> >
> > Feel free to start a separate discussion about my whining if it pleases
> you.
> >
> > Ed King
> >
> > http://www.masonicinfo.com -- Anti-Masonry: Points of View
> >
> > Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2004. All rights reserved.
> >
> >
>
>
Tani Jantsang
Sep 1, 2004, 10:01:15 PM9/1/04
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"Tani Jantsang" <tjs...@SPAMpost.com> wrote in message
> He posted to alt.satanism putting his 32nd degree mark as his only
> signature. That he did, after he wrote THIS post to the same satanists.
> and he's still posting from the same identical NNTP host, still bugging
the
> shit out of me (hence - the reason I'm here, luv - eye for eye) - and he
> just admitted to Hedley that he DID author this post. Here is the post.
> He's the living proof that Masons in Arizona are desperate.
> news:d6oZc.246$N4....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > In news:be6058f7.04090...@posting.google.com,
> > Larry <mcml...@comcast.net> informed us:
> > | "Peachy Carnehan" <rafo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > | news:<YHdZc.4309$w%6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > || Absolutely. Simply because I am asked by very few "Brothers", I not
> > || KNOWING them to be such at this time, to stop posting and I do not,
> > || does NOT make it unMasonic or against any conduct of a Brother
> > || Mason. Have you gone mad?
> > |
> > | You don't know if I'm a Mason, I don't know if you're a Mason. That's
> > | kind of how it works in here. But I find it hard to believe that
> > | being apparently discourteous - by refusing to take your silly
> > | squabble elsewhere and refusing to trim groups - is okay by you as
> > | long as it's not a Mason making that request. Or did I misinterpret
> > | your statement about not knowing those requesters were Masons?
> >
> > I've not been involved in this thread, but I want to point out that
> > almost all posters in this group who are masons will post their lodge
> > name or number, and every one who has been asked to email it privately
> > for verification has done so.
> >
> > But Larry brings up another good point: civility, especially in a public
> > forum can't be a *bad* thing, can it?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Accuosti
> > Grand Sovereign Pontiff and Secret Exposuer
> > Jack-Booted Civil Rights Porn Thug and Enforcer Goon
> > Crop Circle Planning and Zoning Commissioner
> > Team Osiris - Obelisk Siting and Surveying
> > Cydonia Vacation Resort Concierge
> > Dulces/Denver Airport Massage and Day Spa Manager
> > Friendship #33.3 AM&FM
> > Area 51, Atlantis
> >
> > There once was a Mason from [Backspace]
> > With a [Backspace] so long he could [Backspace].
> > While wiping his [Backspace]
> > He said with a [Backspace]
> > "If my [Backspace] were a [Backspace] I could [Backspace] !"
> >
> > Can you imagine a world without hypothetical questions?
> >
> >
>
>
Tani Jantsang
Sep 1, 2004, 10:01:15 PM9/1/04
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"Tani Jantsang" <tjs...@SPAMpost.com> wrote in message
>
> --
> Written in his post "coming clean" and being totally honest:
>
> "My name is John Shaw. I have been a Satanist since I can remember."
> Message-ID: <YzaFa.42788$Io.37...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:33:44 GMT
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.221.39.20
> "You really are a total waste!" Ed King (real Mason), to John Shaw
>
>
>
> "Larry" <mcml...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:be6058f7.04090...@posting.google.com...
> > "Peachy Carnehan" <rafo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<YHdZc.4309$w%6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > > Absolutely. Simply because I am asked by very few "Brothers", I not
> KNOWING
> > > them to be such at this time, to stop posting and I do not, does NOT
> make it
> > > unMasonic or against any conduct of a Brother Mason. Have you gone
mad?
> >
> > You don't know if I'm a Mason, I don't know if you're a Mason. That's
> > kind of how it works in here. But I find it hard to believe that
> > being apparently discourteous - by refusing to take your silly
> > squabble elsewhere and refusing to trim groups - is okay by you as
> > long as it's not a Mason making that request. Or did I misinterpret
> > your statement about not knowing those requesters were Masons?
> >
> > newsgroups because it keeps the noise level down. If one person asks,
> > assume he or she is speaking for the many who do not wish to waste
> > bandwidth with "me too" inputs.
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