Is it just my chapter?
Michael Carr
been an advisor for six . I don't think I could tell you the names of the
other advisors on my board. They don't attend meetings, never volunteer to
take the members to an activity and heaven for bid if their asked to bye a
candy bar or get their car washed. Do all Chapter Dads have this problem?
It's sad that if the members want to attend a function and I'm tied up with
my family at home the members don't get to go because there is no other
active advisor. We have a couple advisors on the board that are active but
with the state staff not the local chapter. I spoke to our Chairman about
three months ago about recruting new advisors (not the first time this came
up) nothing was done . So I drew up a recruting poster to post at the
lodge, when the Chairman was asked to review and make any changes he saw
fit. His responce was we should talk...
DLowry4224
DeMolay chapter in their lodge, but they want NOTHING to do with it
personally...they may even give money for donations, but when it comes to work,
or TIME, they're not to be found. Our chapter in Claremont, California, has
the other problem; we've got willing advisors, but no boys! Maybe we could
trade.....
Go to the lodge stated meeting and tell them your problem; ask for more help,
even for the small things. If you can get someone to help out slowly, you can
usually get them in on the day to day grind which you've taken over as Chapter
Dad. You should have enough men on your advisory board to call on to get the
job done. That's the job of the Chairman. You should be able to rely on the
other members of the board to fill in as necessary, provided there be enough
planning and approval of calendars in advance. I don't know if this helps or
not, but at least, you can be well assured that you're not the only one.
Fraternally,
Dave Lowry
SCJ Dad
Jim Ames
I do have a couple of advisors that help but is only because I went out and
recruited them myself. If I were you, I would go ahead and put the poster up
on your own. We went from 4 active boys in Jan. to 14 right now. If there is
anything I can do, let me know.
Dad Jim Ames
Vallejo Chapter
Vallejo, California
Jim Bennie
<mike...@johneliot.org> wrote:
> when the Chairman was asked to review and make any changes he saw
> fit. His responce was we should talk...
Well, did you talk?
It seems to me this should come up at the monthly Council meeting.
If the Chairman doesn't call meetings, your Executive Officer should
know this.
Jim Bennie, PMC Chev RD ect
active member, Canadian Supreme Council, DeMolay
Michael Carr
else. He told me perhaps it's time to close the chapter due to lack of
advisors.
Jim Bennie <jgbe...@felix.vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message
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Jim Bennie
<mike...@johneliot.org> wrote:
> Yes we talked and I was told that if I could not do the job there was no one
> else. He told me perhaps it's time to close the chapter due to lack of
> advisors.
Michael, I don't know what to suggest if that's his attitude. It's
his job .. as a former Chairman, one I know all too well .. to dig
up an Advisory Council from amongst the sponsoring body or whoever
else is interested. You shouldn't have to do it for him.
That being said, if the situation is grave, you may have to raise
it in Lodge.
I hate to ask where the members' fathers are. I imagine some would
rather be shot to death than go anywhere near a DeMolay meeting.
Jim Bennie
PMC Chev RD and so on, Abbottsford Chapter, Abbotsford, B.C.
Jim Ames
get in touch with your executive officer and tell him about what the chairman
said and then put that poster up yourself. What other chapters are around you.
In N. Calif. we are now allowed to have women as advisors and I have THREE of
them on mine. This might be what you need. If there is anything that you need
please let me know and I will do what I can to help as well as anyone else on
this NG I am sure.
Jim Ames
Chapter Dad, Vallejo Chapter
Michael Carr wrote:
> Yes we talked and I was told that if I could not do the job there was no one
> else. He told me perhaps it's time to close the chapter due to lack of
> advisors.
>
> Jim Bennie <jgbe...@felix.vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message
> news:7sfiq8$e...@felix.vcn.bc.ca...
> > In <7se2su$kot$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Michael Carr"
Eric Gonzalez
I have been Dad of my chapter here in NJ for several years. I run into the
same problems as you do. If you'd like to discuss this topic, please feel
free to send me a private Email at egonz...@sprintmail.com.
Thanks!
Eric Gonzalez
Dad of Clifton Chapter in NJ.
Michael Carr wrote in message <7se2su$kot$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>This is not a gripe. I've been the Chapter Dad for three years now and
have
>been an advisor for six . I don't think I could tell you the names of the
>other advisors on my board. They don't attend meetings, never volunteer to
>take the members to an activity and heaven for bid if their asked to bye a
>candy bar or get their car washed. Do all Chapter Dads have this problem?
>It's sad that if the members want to attend a function and I'm tied up with
>my family at home the members don't get to go because there is no other
>active advisor. We have a couple advisors on the board that are active but
>with the state staff not the local chapter. I spoke to our Chairman about
>three months ago about recruting new advisors (not the first time this came
>up) nothing was done . So I drew up a recruting poster to post at the
>lodge, when the Chairman was asked to review and make any changes he saw
Robert Taylor
continues to reflect the "Dad" Land example of one key man in the Chapter
"Dad" position.
I've been a Chapter Dad for many years and have always had a few other
active Advisors (as many as 5 active to as few as 2). If I had relied on
my lodge, the sponsoring body, I'd have one now. I recruited at York
Rite, Shrine, Scottish Rite, etc. Masonic (and in most jurisdictions
non-Masonic fathers) have also been good advisors. The Advisor who has
been chairman for many years, I recruited at work. He was a Mason who
almost never attended any Masonic events, had no sons (one daughter) but
volunteered for Chairman and has worked with me well. In fact several of
the Advisors I have recruited have joined or transfered to my lodge.
The problem of losing advisors to Jurisdictional (State) positions is way
too real. It is too bad DeMolay in general gives these "above the chapter
level" positions so much prestige. The real backbone of DeMolay and the
Advisors who should be the most recognized should be the local Advisors.
(The same goes for the Active DeMolay ranks. I always note to our chapter
members that the highest ranking DeMolay is the Chapter Master
Couoncilor. The others are just officers of an association of chapters.)
Jurisdictions should be alert to robbing chapters of needed advisors, but,
of course, they have their recruiting problems too.
You need to explore your possibilities. The Chairman probablly should
retire. If the Lodge can not/will not support you consider a change in
sponsor. Talk with your Executive Officer. Work to build up a
"championship" chapter. Lots of people want to be associated with a
winner.
Bob Taylor
Chapter Dad Campbell Chapter (San Jose, N. Calif.)
also NorCal Ritual Chairman and Deputy Member ISC, but if I had to give up
two of those and keep just one, it would be Chapter "Dad", the most
important and the most rewarding job in DeMolay.
ned_s...@my-deja.com
happening
here in the Philippines i guess the problem is more global.
i am a senior demolay of the Ambrocio Flores Chapter (Quezon City Ph).
when
i became a DeMolay things were alright. dads WERE everywhere and the
relationship was such that i was very much enticed to knock and seek
admission to the higher order.
however, as time goes on (read this as around 30 months) dads slowly
disappear. the general pattern is that when their sons become senior
and
sort of disappear, the dad also disappears. then there were also the
"internal politics". would u believe it that there are dads here that
question the existence of DeMolay, it being french and on and on. i
guess
this could be ignorance (pardon the word) as to the purpose and value
of the
teachings of DeMolay to today's youth. there are also extremely
supportive
dads but they few in number and are also very busy.
right now, majority (90+%) of my batch, and most other batches are
hesitant
to progress towards masonry. as a matter of fact, (at least this part
of
the woods) the formation of a senior DeMolay club is gaining support.
we
have just formed our own and there are others also.
there are more, but i guess this is long enough already.
for the order,
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Before you buy.
Jim Ames
working on getting Vacaville restarted. I have most the boys and two advisors
but according to Tom at NorCal we need at least three Master Masons and we
both know how hard that is to get.
Jim Ames
Vallejo Chapter Dad
Robert Taylor wrote:
> "championship" chapter. Lots of people want to be associated with a
> winner.
>
Jim Bennie
<webm...@lippincottsupply.com> wrote:
> Amen Bob...I agree with you 100%....I have gotten Vallejo going again and am
> working on getting Vacaville restarted. I have most the boys and two
> advisors
> but according to Tom at NorCal we need at least three Master Masons and we
> both know how hard that is to get.
Jim, can ISC help by getting you a copy of the former Chapter's
last annual report and check to see if any members (who are now
Sr. DeMolays) are living in the area?
Jim Bennie
Jim Ames
Jim Ames
Vallejo Chapter Dad
Jim Bennie
Uh.. only one problem, Jim... note the sig..
> > Jim Bennie
> > member, Canadian Supreme Council, DeMolay
I am not on ISC. We seperated from them in 1973 (I was S.C. of
my Chapter at the time and remember it well) so I can't get the
info about any American Chapter. If you hop onto their web page
and leave a note, they might be able to help.
Jim, as above