Tang Soo Do vs Tae Kwon Do
BJJ-RULES!!!
worse, until I saw a TANG SOO DO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
Fraser Johnston
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>i always thought Tae kwon Do was bad and things could not get any
> worse, until I saw a TANG SOO DO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EAjey3hiVI
Lol @ ninjas and fat kids.
Fraser
BipolarBEAR
Thats funny. "World Championship"? What, a bunch of folks in a gym on
Saturday?
I have seen TSD really take a nose dive. TKD too. All these schools
thing about is getting, and keeping students so they can make a car
payment. Thats not bad, but to give them the idea that they can defend
themselves with that crap is just a crime. The kids, and public at large
are being deceived.
In the past, the training was not as pretty, but solid, and honest. You
either met the challenge, or you moved on.
The association bosses do not care if these people can put up a fight,
or defend themselves or not. As long as they can think they can, that is
good enough. Kind of makes me wonder what kind of fantasy world the
teachers are living in today.
"World Championship"? Keep dreaming!
Rabid Weasel
There is even less uniformity under the name "Tang Soo Do" than there is
under TKD. GM Hwang Kee went to court in Korea to try to trademark the
term, arguing that it was his style. He lost because the term is
essentially identical to Karate; "Way of the China Hand".
Consequently anyone who wants to can call what they teach "Tang Soo Do"
just as anyone can call what they teach "Karate." Unless there is a
specific style or lineage associated with it, you just don't know what it
represents.
Under Hwang Kee's organization (now under his son), the rebranded Soo Bak
Do Mu Duk Kwan is essentially hard style Karate, largely
indistinguishable from Shotokan Karate. It has many a wart, notably
deficiencies in grappling and non-uniformity of hard sparring, but what
was represented in this video is not representative of mainline Mu Duk
Kwan.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
Grimm Riffer
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> worse, until I saw a TANG SOO DO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EAjey3hiVI
Tang Soo Do (Moo Duck Barn?) was the first striking art I ever did, about
... 18 yrs ago!! 8oO The TSD club I went to was big on continuous
sparring, it got messy and no-one minded but was a little formal. It was
not so focused on the big musical numbers as this club...
Fraser Johnston
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> There is even less uniformity under the name "Tang Soo Do" than there is
> under TKD. GM Hwang Kee went to court in Korea to try to trademark the
> term, arguing that it was his style. He lost because the term is
> essentially identical to Karate; "Way of the China Hand".
>
> Consequently anyone who wants to can call what they teach "Tang Soo Do"
> just as anyone can call what they teach "Karate." Unless there is a
> specific style or lineage associated with it, you just don't know what it
> represents.
>
> Under Hwang Kee's organization (now under his son), the rebranded Soo Bak
> Do Mu Duk Kwan is essentially hard style Karate, largely
> indistinguishable from Shotokan Karate. It has many a wart, notably
> deficiencies in grappling and non-uniformity of hard sparring, but what
> was represented in this video is not representative of mainline Mu Duk
> Kwan.
To be fair I always consider TSD to be one of the better TMAs. Which is like
being the smartest kid in the retard school.
Fraser
BipolarBEAR
Kirk,
I seem to recall in the early 70's, and late 60's, there were some
certificates out from the MDK association at that time that used the
term in this way "Tang Soo Do (Karate). And this was from Korean masters.
BipolarBEAR
I find it hard to believe that Mr. Shin would put up with that kind of
thing at the big event. But a LOT has changed. Its not at all what it
once was. The World Tang Soo Do is now a TSD version in some ways of the
ATA. THe two founders use to be great friends.
Now I know why all the good masters left the WTDA a long time back. Like
I said above, I find it so hard to believe the J.C. Shin is into all that.
Rabid Weasel
>
> I seem to recall in the early 70's, and late 60's, there were some
> certificates out from the MDK association at that time that used the
> term in this way "Tang Soo Do (Karate). And this was from Korean masters.
That's probably right. GM HK did try everything to make the term his
alone, legally; copyright, trademark, he even applied for a "Intangible
Treasures" designation from the Korean gvt.
Andy Upton
So it can't be ALL bad !
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BipolarBEAR
Its all marketing. LOL!
Bear
BipolarBEAR
First of all, I am sorry for not using spell check, it got away from me
before I could.
Norris was a cross trainer. He was not a pure TSD man.
Trying to prop up the sad state of TSD not by identifying to the
legend of someone from the past is simply pathetic. Surely you can do
batter then that.
Rabid Weasel
> Chuck Norris was a Tang Soo Do champion wasn't he ?
> So it can't be ALL bad !
Yeah. Chuck has TSD in his background. 'Course that was back before
Olympic style Point Sparring started making serious inroads everywhere you
looked.
Andy Upton
Andy (4th Dan)
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BipolarBEAR
I? Was was commenting on your statement. Go so some Kata or something.
BipolarBEAR
Yes Kirk. My former TSD teacher was in the same class as Norris at Osan
Air Base. I know TSD well. And the stuff that passes for it now is sad.
Its all about selling to more people, and making a living.
TSD in the early days was tough as well, and look what happened to it.
Same thing.
People today have no idea what Karate use to be like in the US. It might
enlighten them to find some old tapes from that time, and see just how
tough these guys really were.
Bear
Andy Upton
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> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:01:52 PM UTC-7, harle...@aol.com wrote: > On Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:41:44 PM UTC-5, BJJ-RULES!!! wrote: > i always thought Tae kwon Do was bad and things could not get any > worse, until I saw a TANG SOO DO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EAjey3hiVI I do Tang Soo Do, and I don't know what you're talking about. I love it, my master is strict but is nice. My cousin does Taekwondo and his master is a a jack a$$ and makes the students cry or he insults them if they make a little mistake. It's all about the fighter and his skill. My master makes sure what we do is clean and is actually useful in the real world.