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Mark-T
Nov 18, 2011, 3:38:04 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 18, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >One example temporary incapacitation of a limb is
> > > >the peroneal strike, which strikes to the common peroneal
> > > >nerve, just below the knee on the outside of the leg.
> > > >Hitting it right can cause weakness,
> > > > disproportionate pain, and numbness of the leg.
>
> Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
Santos hit another, with his punch, and finished off
Velasques before he could recover. He got lucky,
but hey, it's better to be lucky than good -
Of course these are hard to hit, in a clean fight,
against a moving target. But still they are real,
and offer an extra pop, beyond percussive impact.
Mark
> > > >One example temporary incapacitation of a limb is
> > > >the peroneal strike, which strikes to the common peroneal
> > > >nerve, just below the knee on the outside of the leg.
> > > >Hitting it right can cause weakness,
> > > > disproportionate pain, and numbness of the leg.
>
> Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
Santos hit another, with his punch, and finished off
Velasques before he could recover. He got lucky,
but hey, it's better to be lucky than good -
Of course these are hard to hit, in a clean fight,
against a moving target. But still they are real,
and offer an extra pop, beyond percussive impact.
Mark
Pierre Honeyman
Nov 18, 2011, 5:19:59 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 18, 12:38 pm, Mark-T <marktanne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 18, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >One example temporary incapacitation of a limb is
> > > > >the peroneal strike, which strikes to the common peroneal
> > > > >nerve, just below the knee on the outside of the leg.
> > > > >Hitting it right can cause weakness,
> > > > > disproportionate pain, and numbness of the leg.
>
> > Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> > with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> > less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> > "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> > then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> > points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
>
> Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
> which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
> system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
> is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
> a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
> but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
> can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
"The celiac plexus is often popularly referred to as the solar plexus,
> On Nov 18, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >One example temporary incapacitation of a limb is
> > > > >the peroneal strike, which strikes to the common peroneal
> > > > >nerve, just below the knee on the outside of the leg.
> > > > >Hitting it right can cause weakness,
> > > > > disproportionate pain, and numbness of the leg.
>
> > Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> > with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> > less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> > "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> > then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> > points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
>
> Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
> which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
> system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
> is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
> a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
> but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
> can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
generally in the context of a blow to the stomach. In many of these
cases, it is not the celiac plexus itself being referred to, but
rather the region where it is located. A blow to the stomach can upset
this region. This can cause the diaphragm to spasm, resulting in
difficulty in breathing—a sensation commonly known as "getting the
wind knocked out of you". A blow to this region can also affect the
celiac plexus itself, possibly interfering with the functioning of the
viscera, as well as causing great pain."
There's some anatomy for you.
Seems to indicate that some, many(?), most(?) blows to this region do
not affect the plexus itself, but, instead, cause a spasm of the
diaphragm. Just like getting a round kick to the outside of the thigh
gives you a charlie horse. Is that, also, a "pressure point?"
Pierre
Mark-T
Nov 22, 2011, 4:44:59 PM11/22/11
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On Nov 18, Pierre Honeyman <pear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> > > with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> > > less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> > > "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> > > then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> > > points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
>
> > Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
> > which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
> > system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
> > is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
> > a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
> > but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
> > can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
>
> "The celiac plexus is often popularly referred to as the solar plexus,
> generally in the context of a blow to the stomach. In many of these
> cases, it is not the celiac plexus itself being referred to, but
> rather the region where it is located. A blow to the stomach can upset
> this region. This can cause the diaphragm to spasm, resulting in
> difficulty in breathing—a sensation commonly known as "getting the
> wind knocked out of you". A blow to this region can also affect the
> celiac plexus itself, possibly interfering with the functioning of the
> viscera, as well as causing great pain."
>
> > > Um, you've kind of bastardized the entire meaning of "pressure point"
> > > with that. Yes, there are vulnerable spots on the human body - places
> > > less protected than others - but I'd hardly call those places
> > > "pressure points." If you want to call those places "pressure points,"
> > > then, fine, I agree with you, there are all kinds of "pressure
> > > points," so long as you hit them really fucking hard,
>
> > Learn some anatomy. There are various nerve plexus,
> > which will cause momentary short circuit of the neural
> > system. The solar plexus is well known - the reaction
> > is more than just getting hit. Karate players often score
> > a KO with a front kick there. Not unconsciousness,
> > but paralysis of the diaphragm muscles, the victim
> > can't breathe. You've obviously never felt this pleasure.
>
> "The celiac plexus is often popularly referred to as the solar plexus,
> generally in the context of a blow to the stomach. In many of these
> cases, it is not the celiac plexus itself being referred to, but
> rather the region where it is located. A blow to the stomach can upset
> this region. This can cause the diaphragm to spasm, resulting in
> difficulty in breathing—a sensation commonly known as "getting the
> wind knocked out of you". A blow to this region can also affect the
> celiac plexus itself, possibly interfering with the functioning of the
> viscera, as well as causing great pain."
>
> Seems to indicate that some, many(?), most(?) blows to this
> region do not affect the plexus itself, but, instead, cause a spasm
> of the diaphragm.
I'd say it validates the pressure point argument,
> region do not affect the plexus itself, but, instead, cause a spasm
> of the diaphragm.
more than negates it. The spasm is a neural reaction,
distinct from injury due to heavy impact.
Furthermore, I don't know your source, but I question
the accuracy of this "region" explanation. Think: how
would one test this, clinically controlled? You've got
those annoying ethical considerations -
My experience is, the solar plexus is a small target,
just below the xiphoid process.
> Just like getting a round kick to the outside of the thigh
> gives you a charlie horse. Is that, also, a "pressure point?"
the leg.
Mark
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Nov 23, 2011, 8:47:23 AM11/23/11
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On Nov 22, 4:44 pm, Mark-T <marktanne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Think: how
> would one test this, clinically controlled? You've got
> those annoying ethical considerations -
Not a problem. Getting punched in the abdomen? People sign up for
> Think: how
> would one test this, clinically controlled? You've got
> those annoying ethical considerations -
tests worse than getting punched all the time. I recall a half-dozen
different tests where folks volunteered to go into hypothermia in
several different settings. If left untreated, they die. The tests
were gauging the efficacy of various treatments. I recall watching
video of one volunteer *drowning*. Yes, he volunteered to *drown*.
The goal was to improve rescue and revival techniques.
In contrast, getting punched in the high gut is nothing. "Oh, no! I
got the wind knocked out of me and gasped for breath for 2 minutes!
Now give me my $5,000."
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
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