karate gi - kamikaze
David Tansley
Thinking about buying a kamikaze GI for my son. In a dither, do not
know wheter to get a 'europa' or 'america'. Apart from the weight of
the GI's, what are the differences ? my son is more into kata than
kumite.
thanks
David.
PPEF
quite heavy and makes more noise while delivering a blow.
Not that good for combat as it's quite heavy. ( but I get over with this
personally )
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Tom
hello NG,
I have similar questions:
I want to buy a gi for normal training.
- wich weight should I choose 8, 12, 14 or 16oz?
- what is better, long/tight cut or short/wide cut?
- why are there suits for kumite and others for kata?
I wanted to buy a 16oz- short/wide (approx. 75US$) for training.
Is that a good choice?
Please tell me your oppinions in gerneral, not only brands, since I live in
Germany and wouldn't find the same brands over here..
Ciao,
Tom.
I CHRISTIE
the money you have available.
Personally, I prefer a heavy-weight gi which is loosely cut.
Generally, the following applies:
The lighter the gi, the easier it gets wet from your sweat. A heavier gi
will not get so wet and so will not go transparent or cling to your body so
much.
A tight-fitting gi will also be more inclined to sticking to you once you
start warming up and it gets sweaty. Also, a tighter-fitting gi will limit
your movement. With a looser-fitting gi, you will be free to move and so
will not be restricted in your training.
The same applies to all training, whether it be kata or kumite.
To sum up, unless you are a complete beginner (and therefore would find the
weight counter-productive - start with a medium weight gi in this case and
change to a heavy weight once you are a bit better) it is best to get the
heaviest weight you can afford, preferably in t loose fit.
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Paul Willoughby
Hi David,
Don't know about the America. I just bought my first Kamikaze gi a few
weeks ago - an Emperor. Kamikaze seems to make a good product. Nice,
heavyweight but soft brushed canvas. The Europa is much lighter weight as far
as I can tell. Not sure about the America. I had previously been using
Tokaido. Kamikaze gis seem to be cut much more generously - in fact they seem
to run a little large if you go by the size chart.
Paul
Tom
the
> weight counter-productive - start with a medium weight gi in this case and
> change to a heavy weight once you are a bit better) it is best to get the
> heaviest weight you can afford, preferably in t loose fit.
Hello,
thanx for your advice!
I will go and buy the 16oz- short/wide (approx. 75US$) gi from KWON.
It is the haviest I could find and the price seems to be fair.
Ciao,
Tom.
Simon Slavin
"Tom" <T-...@gmx.net> wrote:
> I want to buy a gi for normal training.
> - wich weight should I choose 8, 12, 14 or 16oz?
> - what is better, long/tight cut or short/wide cut?
For those questions, look around at the people you train with
and find the person who looks the most comfortable. Ask them
what kind of Gi they bought. We can't answer the question
without knowing how warm your Dojo is, what type of body-
shape you have, and what type of training your instructor
spends the most time on.
> - why are there suits for kumite and others for kata?
Because some people have /far/ too much money. Do you people
really change Gis in the middle of a training session ? I
can imagine a tough Gi which could stand up to lots of hits
and a light but well-tailored Gi which would give you flexibility
when doing kata and allow you to look good in photographs. It
seems very silly.
Simon.
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George Winter
<david....@acelondon.co.uk> wrote:
I bought a "europa" a little while ago and am very happy with it.
Lighter weight than the Tokaido, and much roomier. I wear a 7 in
Tokaido and a 6 Kamikaze would probably be ideal.
They have wholesale rates for instructors and clubs available via
their US website.
--
George
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Gabriele Brega
George Winter <gwi...@q-sys.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:08:12 +0100, David Tansley
> <david....@acelondon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Hi,,
> >Thinking about buying a kamikaze GI for my son. In a dither, do not
> >know wheter to get a 'europa' or 'america'. Apart from the weight of
> >the GI's, what are the differences ? my son is more into kata than
> >kumite.
>
> I bought a "europa" a little while ago and am very happy with it.
> Lighter weight than the Tokaido, and much roomier. I wear a 7 in
> Tokaido and a 6 Kamikaze would probably be ideal.
>
I used Toyo's exclusively for the last 12 years and I have always been
very happy with them. Very heavy, durable, but after 3 years they start
developing wear tears at the armpits and near the collar.
Recently I have purchased a Shureido, which seems to be roomier in
the legs and in the chest, although I bought a 6 instead of the 6 1/2 I
am used to for Toyo. The fabric feels somewhat lighter than the Toyo
but tighter woven, softer but still satisfying my taste for a 'hard' gi.
The collar is acceptable, but less stiff than Toyo's.
Can you compare the Kamikaze to one of the above ? I had considered
buying one, but I could not find it locally, and I could not bring myself
to buying one on line, without touching it and trying it on. The price was
attractive, though. They say the Meijin is made at the same factories,
and it is even cheaper. Any comment anyone ?
Oh, the Shureido is made in Okinawa, which means that all your kokutsu
dachi turn into neko ashi . That, and the price, *is* a problem.;-)
Gabriel
George Winter
<gbr...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>Recently I have purchased a Shureido, which seems to be roomier in
>the legs and in the chest, although I bought a 6 instead of the 6 1/2 I
>am used to for Toyo. The fabric feels somewhat lighter than the Toyo
>but tighter woven, softer but still satisfying my taste for a 'hard' gi.
>The collar is acceptable, but less stiff than Toyo's.
>
>Can you compare the Kamikaze to one of the above ? I had considered
>buying one, but I could not find it locally, and I could not bring myself
>to buying one on line, without touching it and trying it on. The price was
>attractive, though. They say the Meijin is made at the same factories,
>and it is even cheaper. Any comment anyone ?
I've seen Toyo and Shureido but never owned one. Just el cheapo,
tokaido, and kamikaze. If I recall the Toyo has unusual stitching
accross the upper back panel?
I think Juka is made by the same folks who make Kamikaze. I think Brad
Webb wrote a comparison some time ago, I forget if the cloth is the
same and the stiching less high quality or if there is no difference
at all.
I forget the brand but a classmate was wearing a nice looking gi with
an extra gusset added under the arms. That seemed like a worthwhile
innovation. Too often I lift up one side of my uniform when I lift the
arm up to the side.
fin_fa...@webtv.net
'Oh, by the way , the shureido is made in Okinawa, which means all your
kokutsu dachi turns into neko,'
Tell 'em the rest, Gabe- your Shotokan all turns into Shorin or Shito
Ryu.:-)
And Hey- what's better'n' that?:-)
ShadowJack
"Gabriele Brega" <gbr...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, the Shureido is made in Okinawa, which means that all your kokutsu
> dachi turn into neko ashi . That, and the price, *is* a problem.;-)
And the blue tinge, had mine about a year now (Shureido). How the hell do
you get rid off it?
The blue tinge that is.
Jack.
Gabriele Brega
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I don't know - I am one month into the gi. I can tell you that Toyo has the
same. They say it's caused by the original bleaching agent, otherwise your
gi wouldn't be white but kind of yellowish.
Don't bleach it, though, otherwise you'll weaken the fabric.
How's the gi hold up ?
Gabriel
Gabriel
Tomu.Michi
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk wrote:
> "Tom" <T-...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > I want to buy a gi for normal training.
> > - wich weight should I choose 8, 12, 14 or 16oz?
> > - what is better, long/tight cut or short/wide cut?
>
> For those questions, look around at the people you train with
> and find the person who looks the most comfortable. Ask them
> what kind of Gi they bought.
Also keep in mind how the uniform is handled after class.
A damp and soggy uniform will rot if it does not dry
promptly. A lighter uniform will dry quicker. If a uniform is
not dry by morning something like washing or drying should be
looked at.
Uniforms with thick collars will keep stiched seams damp and feed
bacteria and other rot agents.
So the life of a gi has lots to do with how you train and how the
gi is stored/cleaned between work outs.
So when selecting a gi, after fit.... look at the care you give it.
--
Tomu.Michi
mitch...@NOSPAMcsd.sgi.com
fin_fa...@webtv.net
Black and blue symbolizes what happens to attackers.:-)
Aso wear sneakers or walking shoes or boots in practice, as you will be
in life.
Gis are real comfortable, also completely unrealistic for self defense
training.
Those who do not at least occasionally work out in street clothes , and
do kata in them, are in for an unpleasnat surprise if they ever have to
use their skills while actually wearing clothes.
Those who trainn in street clothes can work frely and unhindered in
them, if need be.
That having been said, Kamikaze are good products, Shureido last a long
time, and the blue tinge is from being soaked in Okinawan shapoo called
Seisan Blue.:-).
You'll never have dandruff anywhere on your body after that.
Toyo is durable, one of my old Black Belts was a Toyo, and my favorite
old gi was a Castello Combatives black heavyweight canvas Bear Brand
Gi, for Kempo, which you could roll the sleeves up to look like a
Chinese art practitioner and stop anyone from grabbing the sleeve in
sparring which that is really annoying.
But, after many years, I stopped using gis, belts and other pajama
dancing praphernalia, and started teaching and training in regular gear.
Stepping changes drastically when wearing shoes and on outside, lumpy
and uneven terrain.
Think about it.
the_peanut_gallery
> Also keep in mind how the uniform is handled after class.
> A damp and soggy uniform will rot if it does not dry
> promptly. A lighter uniform will dry quicker. If a uniform is
> not dry by morning something like washing or drying should be
> looked at.
There are various tried-and-tested methods of drying the gi:
1) Hanging it up in the changing-room after training. Not advisable if
you share your dojo with anyone else, not so much because of theft as
because a well-ripened, sweat-blackened gi tends to frighten the
children. Also, students tired of seeing their instructors in a
much-loved and comfortable gi may resort to extreme behaviour, such as
setting fire to it, to force him to buy a new one that doesn't
embarrass them in seminars
2) Putting it on a coathanger and suspending it from the shower rail.
Works well if your bathroom isn't overly given to dampness, but /does/
tend to permeate the appartment with a subtle, musky odour (though as a
means of marking your territory it's much less messy than peeing on all
the doorposts)
3) Hanging it over the front seat of your car, where even weak winter
sunshine will suffice to dry it fairly quickly. It is possible that if
you drive around town with the window open, your pheromones thus
broadcast will attact members of the opposite sex. Or flies. However,
the person who carried out this experiment reported no success on
either score, though he /did/ have rather a large number of spider webs
festooning his trusty vehicle.
I swear all the above are true, especially (3)
--
Rose Humphrey
(ducking and running amazingly fast)
ShadowJack
> How's the gi hold up ?
>
> Gabriel
Compared against my old Tokaido, excellent. I generally find
that the Tokaido Gi's stitching starts going round the armpits after year,
around the groin after two years, and needs replacing after three to four
years.
I've tried lightweight Gi's and in all honesty I'm not a great fan of them.
I used to keep my old Tokaido gi's for patches, but after coming up to the
four year mark the Gi really needs replacing.
My brother passed on to me his Tokaido Gi after he jacked Karate, (hardly
worn)
about the same time I bought the Shureido, I train normally 3 to 4 times a
week,
so one night I'll wear the Tokaido, the next session the Shureido, then the
Tokaido etc.
The Shureido compared against the Tokaido, still looks like it's come out of
the bag,
stitching still strong. The blue tinge has faded somewhat but still
noticeable, it's a real
pleasure to train in. The Tokaido oth has started to go around the armpits
and compared
against the Shureido its like training in a suit of cardboard.
Those Okinawans sure know how to make a Karate Gi, but the price! and that
damn blue
tinge, but I'll never go back to a Tokaido again.
Jack.
Tomu.Michi
On Tue, 1 May 2001, ShadowJack wrote:
>
> And the blue tinge, had mine about a year now (Shureido). How the hell do
> you get rid off it?
> The blue tinge that is.
The blue is a "blueing" agent a fluorescent brightener. They
make whites look whiter and brighter. They are why white
T-shirts glow under black lights. Most modern detergents have
some in them.
You get rid of it by washing. I takes more than a couple of
washes.
--
Tomu.Michi
mitch...@NOSPAMcsd.sgi.com
Jake
<mo...@cremefilled.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 May 2001 23:51:49 -0500 (EST), fin_fa...@webtv.net
>wrote:
>
>>The practitioners of Vengel-Kai use Black T-shirts and blue jeans.
>>
>>Black and blue symbolizes what happens to attackers.:-)
>
>[snipped only for brevity]
>
>excellent.
>
>this is probably the first post of yours that i fully agree with, and
>didn't feel like slapping you after reading it. :)
>
>
>not that you care, but there it is anyway.
>
You like this group, don't you?. Me too. There are some real swell
people here.
( downs the remainder of his thirsty-two ounce Old English 800 Malt
Likker, staggers upstairs, passes out in the bathtub.)
-Jake
Simon Slavin
fin_fa...@webtv.net wrote:
> Gabriele says:
> 'Oh, by the way , the shureido is made in Okinawa, which means all your
> kokutsu dachi turns into neko,'
>
> Tell 'em the rest, Gabe- your Shotokan all turns into Shorin or Shito
> Ryu.
ALL YOUR BASICS ARE BELONG TO US.
Jake
sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote:
>ALL YOUR BASICS ARE BELONG TO US.
Oh no, not here too!?
-Jake
George Winter
<gbr...@sprynet.com> wrote:
I have the number for the US distributor for Kamikaze
Kamikaze USA 1 (800) 466-9862
I think they routinely give the wholesale rate to instructors, AFAIK
the current wholesale rate for a Europa is $70
Gabriele Brega
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:40:40 -0400, "Gabriele Brega"
> <gbr...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> I have the number for the US distributor for Kamikaze
>
> Kamikaze USA 1 (800) 466-9862
>
> I think they routinely give the wholesale rate to instructors, AFAIK
> the current wholesale rate for a Europa is $70
> --
Thanks George.
Gabriel
Paul Willoughby
>On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:40:40 -0400, "Gabriele Brega"
><gbr...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>I have the number for the US distributor for Kamikaze
>
>Kamikaze USA 1 (800) 466-9862
>
>I think they routinely give the wholesale rate to instructors, AFAIK
>the current wholesale rate for a Europa is $70
>--
Just checked - sizes 1-3 wholesale is $70, 3 1/2 and above is $80. Retail is
$100 and $110 respectively. That kind of gives you the rough idea of the
mark-up. Also, the more top of the line gi have a higher margin.
Paul
the dutton family
I feel a lot better training in a heavier gi. I recently did a three day
Spring Camp and so decided to take all three of my gis. On the first day I
used No3 gi which is very light (I thought I'd better get it out of the
way) - it was awful I felt like I was training in pyjamas. In future I'll
use No 1 or 2 twice - sod the smell. Of course some people prefer a light
weight gi.
Secondly you have to think about comfort, I do a two hour lesson at least
once a week and a one hour lesson once or twice a week. With the gis I wear
I get a lot of chafing under my arms (overdeveloped lats - I don't think
o) - I can live with it (except when spraying deoderant) but not everyone
would want to.
Also think about cut - when I last bought a gi I found a lot of the
catalogues don't give a realistic pictuer of the cut ie. long arms, long
legs, 3/4 arms etc. - I like 3/4 arms, short legs and as wide a tube as
possible for freedom of movement (you also get a nice 'snap' when you kime a
technique) - go and try them on if possible find out what you like. A lot of
catalogues will show models in very impressive poses of high side kicks etc.
looks cool but doesn't really tell you what the gi looks like.
Be warned that an awful lot of gis are prone to shrinkage for the first few
washes!!!!
If you are going to train hard and regularly your gi is going to be washed
an awful lot of times make sure that it can stand up to it - a lot of good
heavy gis can take a very long time and an awful lot of washes before they
really feel really comfortable and loose. You don't want to have to get a
new one just as the one you've got is how you really want it.
Lastly to reinforce the wise Tomu Michi - wash with love and choose the
fabric conditioner with care (especially if you choose a heavy gi) it can
make an awful lot of difference.
Regards,
Shaun
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RSorens
>From: "Gabriele Brega" gbr...@sprynet.com
>Date: 4/30/01 10:40 AM Eastern
snip, snip
>Can you compare the Kamikaze to one of the above ? I had considered
>buying one, but I could not find it locally, and I could not bring myself
>to buying one on line, without touching it and trying it on. The price was
>attractive, though. They say the Meijin is made at the same factories,
>and it is even cheaper. Any comment anyone ?
>
>
>Gabriel
>
Yes, the Meijin's are nice. Got one for me, one for my wife, had 'em for more
than a a year and a half. Like it just fine. DEFINITELY better than the Pine
Tree brand (BLAH! TOO stiff, edges wear out WAY too fast).
Rick Sorensen
