Ebay's now twisting arms for stellar feedback - Unreal!!
u n owen
(and not consistently by any measure), this shows up in my mail... The
thing really does speak for itself, and just when I thought I had seen
it all!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MC014 FB NOTICE: eBay Procedural Warning - Feedback Manipulation -
xxxxxx
Dear xxxxxx (xxx[at]xxx.com),
Your eBay account was recently involved in activity that violated the
eBay Feedback Manipulation policy.
-- About the eBay Feedback Manipulation policy violation --
It's against eBay policy to deliberately manipulate another member's
detailed seller ratings through a combination of repeat purchases and
low DSRs to reduce another user's Feedback scores. Demonstrating a
pattern of leaving positive Feedback with consistently low DSRs is
also not allowed. You can learn more about the policy here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-manipulation.html
We understand that you may have been unaware of this eBay policy, and
we invite you to learn how to keep your experiences on eBay pleasant
and successful.
Thank you for your understanding.
Sincerely,
eBay Trust & Safety team
edwar...@hotmail.com
So, what is your disagreement with this?
Did you do repeat transactions with the same seller and leave low
DSRs?
If so, why did you keep doing business with that seller?
Did you leave good feedback with low DSRs? If so, why?
Ed
u n owen
justified feedback.
> Did you do repeat transactions with the same seller and leave low
> DSRs?
No.
> Did you leave good feedback with low DSRs? If so, why?
Yes, Product absolutely fine, but shipping slow & inflated. (etc.)
Y'know, the obvious reasons one might leave decent feedback for decent
goods, but otherwise poor performance. I would have thought that was
obvious.
If not, then someone should explain why fleabay came up with the DSR
thing in the first place.
UN
edwar...@hotmail.com
Seems to me like they are simply urging you to leave feedback
consistent with
your DSR ratings. Whether negative or positive.
Ed
Jesse
13g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
You are missing the point.
The item can be perfectly fine, but the shipping can be slow, the shipping
jacked up.
Or maybe the item was fine, shipping was reasonable,arrived quickly but you
are miffed because you didn't receive any notification of payment
recieved/item shipped, so you give them a low communication rating.
They made up these things specifically to give people other options to vent
rather than leave a neg.
I've never bothered taking the time to click those little dots, not once.
Lumpy
> ... someone should explain why fleabay came up with the DSR
> thing in the first place.
Surely because people like you seem to want them.
Lumpy
In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
www.LumpyMusic.com
googler
Isn't your posting the same as I saw on all those FB's were removed by
ebay just afew days ago
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=bargainotc&Dirn=Received+by&ref..
No difference.
u n owen
> ebay just afew days agohttp://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=bargainotc&Dirn=Received+by&ref..
> > No difference.
A very good point, and actually, there's a huge difference.
I went & had a look through my feedback, and sure 'nuff, ebay
selectively removed my 2 FBs with the "offending DSRs". The
interesting thing is, no trace of these FBs appear either in the
respective perps FB list, or on toolhaus. Nor goofbay for that
matter.
So now we have proof positive that ebay's feedback system has become
an utter sham ! $$$$
I guess there's absolutely no point bothering to leave FB anymore,
ebay can set up a script to do it automatically, whereby it says
exactly what they want it to.
Shame, ebay *was* a nice venue.... once upon a time...
Lumpy
> So now we have proof positive that
> ebay's feedback system has become
> an utter sham !
Then your troll here is finished?
That was much too short of a performance.
> I guess there's absolutely no point bothering to leave FB anymore...
Uh. Yes.
PeterD
Neutral, with DSR of 2 for trolling, and 3 for talking. And a 1 for
giving up much too easily...
u n owen
> giving up much too easily...
Much as I would enjoy wasting the days with you & Lumpy under AMOE
bridge, I just haven't the time.
But if I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
UN
Lumpy
> ... I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
> social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
We already are the first to know.
Let us know when you feel the trout slap you.
Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
Kris Baker
"Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
news:7ovvfa...@mid.individual.net...
>u n owen wrote:
>> ... I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
>> social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
>
> We already are the first to know.
> Let us know when you feel the trout slap you.
>
> Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
> tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
>
>
> Lumpy
I'm bringing pho.
Kris
Lumpy
> > Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
> > tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
Kris:
> I'm bringing pho.
She's a blast when she get's drunk.
Kris Baker
> Lump:
>> > Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
>> > tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
>
> Kris:
>> I'm bringing pho.
>
> She's a blast when she get's drunk.
>
>
> Lumpy
Are you the pho king?
Kris
PeterD
I'm bringing two hot babes...
R. Totale
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>u n owen wrote:
>> ... I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
>> social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
>
>We already are the first to know.
>Let us know when you feel the trout slap you.
>
>Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
>tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
I'm bringing my famous asafoetida cookies.
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clams_casino
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:07:27 -0700, "Lumpy"
><lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>u n owen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>... I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
>>>social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
>>>
>>>
>>We already are the first to know.
>>Let us know when you feel the trout slap you.
>>
>>Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
>>tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
>>
>>
>
>I'm bringing my famous asafoetida cookies.
>
>
>
I'm brining a print out of all my feedback.
Lumpy
> I'm brining a print out of all my feedback.
That'll make it salty.
Kris Baker
"R. Totale" <slang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6k6ni5d4r7usoae1b...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:07:27 -0700, "Lumpy"
> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>>u n owen wrote:
>>> ... I discover any more about this, ebay's latest brazen foray into
>>> social engineering and gross deceit, y'all will be the first to know.
>>
>>We already are the first to know.
>>Let us know when you feel the trout slap you.
>>
>>Don't forget the employee Chrismauniquanza party
>>tomorrow night, gang. I'm bringing Tamales.
>
> I'm bringing my famous asafoetida cookies.
Yes, we'll need an antiflatulent.
Don't forget the sarsparilla.
Kris
Kris Baker
> clams_casino wrote:
>> I'm brining a print out of all my feedback.
>
> That'll make it salty.
>
>
> Lumpy
But juicier and more tender!
Kris
Lumpy
> Don't forget the sarsparilla.
I believe that's one of the ingredients
in Don's Swash Stickers.
Mmmm, Mmmm. Them's good eatin'.
clams_casino
>clams_casino wrote:
>
>
>>I'm brining a print out of all my feedback.
>>
>>
>
>That'll make it salty.
>
>
>
>
But that way you'll know they're Kosher.
DevilsPGD
<f7459aeb-4619-477c...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> u n
owen <augen...@hotmail.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>-- About the eBay Feedback Manipulation policy violation --
>It's against eBay policy to deliberately manipulate another member's
>detailed seller ratings through a combination of repeat purchases and
>low DSRs to reduce another user's Feedback scores. Demonstrating a
>pattern of leaving positive Feedback with consistently low DSRs is
>also not allowed. You can learn more about the policy here:
>
>http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-manipulation.html
>
While this specific example looks like a bad one, there are some major
problems with the feedback system, and active enforcement is a good
start.
That being said, I regularly buy from certain vendors when I'm not
entirely thrilled with all aspects of their service. I've bought
multiple sets of headphones (a specific type) from a seller that takes
2-3 weeks to ship (based on the postmark), but I still buy from him
because he's substantially cheaper than the competition and I'm willing
to wait. Buyers need to know he's slow to ship, but informed buyers
might still be willing to buy if they're willing to be patient.
I'd like to see eBay start prioritizing feedback based on the buyer's
feedback history. When you give people an option to rate between 1-5,
some people consider 2-4 to be "wasn't thrilled but satisfied,
satisfied, very happy", reserving 1 star for extreme cases, and
reserving 5 star ratings for cases where the opposite party went above
and beyond.
It's not always possible to go above-and-beyond on every transaction,
there is only so much you can do, above-and-beyond often needs a
resolvable problem to occur in the first place.
One possible workaround is to run a user's feedback against a bellcurve
model to amplify 3-4 star reports into 5 star reports when the majority
of a user's feedbacks are 3-4 stars. Conversely, those that normally
5-star should be trusted when they give 3-4 stars.
The whole shipping section also offers room for eBay to test buyer's
ability to leave feedback. Shipping fees ratings, for example: Any
buyer who files less than 5 stars on shipping price for an item that was
shipped free has obviously not figured out the feedback system yet.
Shipping speed is another case, when eBay knows an item was shipped
within 24 hours of payment and the feedback has 1-2 stars for shipping
speed, the buyer is obviously confused about how feedback works.
Lumpy
> While this specific example looks like a bad one, there are some major
> problems with the feedback system, and active enforcement is a good
> start.
"Active enforcement" is a piled on band-aid to
a poor experiment.
"Elimination" would be a good start. And that works
from either the eBay end, the seller end or the
buyer end. I don't give feedback. End of problem.
DevilsPGD
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>DevilsPGD wrote:
>> While this specific example looks like a bad one, there are some major
>> problems with the feedback system, and active enforcement is a good
>> start.
>
>
>"Active enforcement" is a piled on band-aid to
>a poor experiment.
>
>"Elimination" would be a good start. And that works
>from either the eBay end, the seller end or the
>buyer end. I don't give feedback. End of problem.
As a buyer, I like the idea of having more specific feedback, and
leaving a "this could be better" report without an outright negative.
In other words, as a buyer, I'll take feedback+DSRs over just feedback.
My objection to DSRs as they're implemented is that the standards are
set higher then buyers naturally want to vote even when buyers are
satisfied.
Lumpy
> As a buyer, I like the idea of having more specific feedback, and
> leaving a "this could be better" report without an outright negative.
>
> In other words, as a buyer, I'll take feedback+DSRs over just
> feedback.
As a buyer, I'll take the widget. End of relationship.
I (you?) buy stuff online all the time without the
"benefit" of feedback from previous buyers. For some
reason, I seem to be get along just fine without
worrying about how other people did with the
transaction.
I used to leave feedback. But I found it was
simply thinking up something humorous to write.
The two times I got a bad deal, leaving a negative
did absolutely nothing to change my bad deal. And
since the sellers were still in business, selling
thousands of items, it apparently did nothing to
"warn" other, future buyers.
I say it's a colossal waste of time and money.
Do it like craigslist. Leave it to the buyer
to make his own decision. Don't try and get
eBay to be so involved in the Good Housekeeping
Seal of Approval type of behavior. Just list the
stuff. If they didn't waste so much energy and money
on feedback and all the other non-essential stuff,
they could lower fees, keep the html simpler, get
more buyers and sellers etc.
PeterD
And ignore the fact that unless you know who left a bad DSR, you can't
figure out why, and can't correct a potential problem.
DSRs are simpley an eBay marketing tool, fluf, and nothing else.
DevilsPGD
As a buyer, this is part of why I like DSRs -- I can be honest, and I
can indicate things I'm unhappy about enough to rate the seller, but not
sufficiently unhappy with that I'll waste time contacting the seller
specifically.
For example, if I bought an item and the seller didn't ship it for a
week after I paid, short of using a time machine there isn't anything
the seller can do to make it better, so I don't need or want any
interaction at this point.
If a seller finds their rating in one category dropping, they probably
need to work on improving that category. For example, if they can't
figure out their shipping prices are too high by looking at a lower
rating in shipping pricing then other areas, interaction with specific
buyers probably won't help.
OTOH, I attempt to contact sellers when I have a problem before getting
to the feedback stage, if my other attempts at contact are ignored by
the time I leave negative feedback I don't want to hear from the seller,
it's too late to resolve anything at that point (and quite frankly, I've
already gotten my money back from PayPal by then, so the seller's
opinion isn't particularly relevant to me) -- I realize not everyone
shares this approach.
Lumpy
> If a seller finds their rating in one category dropping, they probably
Maybe so, maybe not.
In any case, it does nothing for YOUR purchase.
Consider the sellers eBay is courting today.
Those that drop ship thousands of items
weekly. Surely they care little about
the feedback and DSRs. If theirs drop
significantly, they simply phone their
eBay rep and have them erased. Then eBay
sends an "invitation to enjoy the shopping experience"
message to the feedback "offenders".
OTOH, mom and pop sellers don't enjoy the luxury
of feedback removal like the big schleppers do.
So they ship their packages, limited to the shipping
costs implied by eBay and the stuff arrives in 5 days.
Buyer is pissed so leaves poor feedback because it
either "didn't arrive quick enough" or "shipping cost
was too high".
Somebody wins. And it's not the buyer, nor the small seller,
nor the large seller.
Sharpie999
Virtually all the folks that I know who used to be die-hard Ebay fans, both
sellers and buyers, have dropped Ebay completely. They've gone to Amazon and
Craig's List. I did too for a while but tried selling some collectable/antique
items this month. It used to be fun. Now it's a royal pain in the ass. You
have the ones who follow the PayPal rules to a tee, so they can get PayPal
"protection." And then there are the old timers like me who still try to
circumvent the assinine rules.
In years past, my best payers were the ones who sent personal checks and money
orders. The PayPal buyers never were worth a shit and still aren't.
I bought a couple of items on Ebay this month. I didn't have the money in my
PayPal account yet because PayPal holds money from new sellers, so I rushed to
the bank and deposited cash money to cover my purchases. Good thing I rushed.
PayPal took five goddamned days to "clear" the cash money in my bank.
As I said, it was fun in the old days, but Ebay's PayPal rules have fucked it
all to hell.
edwar...@hotmail.com
> You are missing the point.
> The item can be perfectly fine, but the shipping can be slow, the shipping
> jacked up.
Jacked up? Seller's are required to post shipping charges in their
listings.
You mean that you bought something knowing what the shipping cost
was up front but then complained about it later? Isn't that kind of
lame?
> Or maybe the item was fine, shipping was reasonable,arrived quickly but you
> are miffed because you didn't receive any notification of payment
> recieved/item shipped
The shipping was reasonable and the item arrived quickly but you're
miffed
because the seller didn't tell you he got your payment and shipped the
item?
I hope you're getting some sort of therapy for your mental illnesses.
> I've never bothered taking the time to click those little dots, not once.
Then how do you think you're using the DSR system?
Ed
edwar...@hotmail.com
People who say, "That being said ..." always post contradictory
nonsense
that is best ignored.
Ed
fran...123
<edwar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ccb591c-6cb2-4981...@z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 17, 6:10 am, Jesse <o...@org.orgy> wrote:
> You are missing the point.
> The item can be perfectly fine, but the shipping can be slow, the shipping
> jacked up.
Jacked up? Seller's are required to post shipping charges in their
listings.
You mean that you bought something knowing what the shipping cost
was up front but then complained about it later? Isn't that kind of
lame?
************************************************
I think you might be a little trigger happy here. Let's say the listing
states UPS ground and you put in two zip codes within ten miles finding out
one comes through Worcester Ma and the other comes through Hartford Ct and
it is less costly to to go one way than the other. I choose the more
expensive choice for convenience. UPS actually delivers to the door. Then
the seller fits it into a priority mail box saves themselves some $ I get a
salmon slip in the mailbox, have to go to the post office during business
hours and wait in line. It actually would have been more convenient to get
at the post office with the less cost ups on the calculator.
They both are commonly used and verified addresses. Not all that uncommon
on eBay.
Fran
DevilsPGD
<3ccb591c-6cb2-4981...@z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
edwar...@hotmail.com was claimed to have wrote:
>> I've never bothered taking the time to click those little dots, not once.
>
>Then how do you think you're using the DSR system?
eBay has also offered dropdowns instead of stars, although honestly
expecting that this poster would make that type of distinction seems
unlikely.
DevilsPGD
<Sharpie9...@newsguy.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>Virtually all the folks that I know who used to be die-hard Ebay fans, both
>sellers and buyers, have dropped Ebay completely. They've gone to Amazon and
>Craig's List. I did too for a while but tried selling some collectable/antique
>items this month. It used to be fun. Now it's a royal pain in the ass. You
>have the ones who follow the PayPal rules to a tee, so they can get PayPal
>"protection." And then there are the old timers like me who still try to
>circumvent the assinine rules.
You can just ignore PayPal's rules for protection, if you don't care
about protection.
Since you brought up PayPal's seller protection, I am curious which
rules are so difficult to follow, any clues?
>In years past, my best payers were the ones who sent personal checks and money
>orders. The PayPal buyers never were worth a shit and still aren't.
So what's the problem? These buyers can still send cheques or money
orders if y'all want.
>I bought a couple of items on Ebay this month. I didn't have the money in my
>PayPal account yet because PayPal holds money from new sellers, so I rushed to
>the bank and deposited cash money to cover my purchases. Good thing I rushed.
>PayPal took five goddamned days to "clear" the cash money in my bank.
You're a new seller? I thought you were an old timer?
Lumpy
> I think you might be a little trigger happy here. Let's say the
> listing states UPS ground and you put in two zip codes within ten
> miles finding out one comes through Worcester Ma and the other comes
> through Hartford Ct and it is less costly to to go one way than the
> other. I choose the more expensive choice for convenience. UPS
> actually delivers to the door. Then the seller fits it into a
> priority mail box saves themselves some $ I get a salmon slip in the
> mailbox, have to go to the post office during business hours and wait
> in line. It actually would have been more convenient to get at the
> post office with the less cost ups on the calculator. They both are
> commonly used and verified addresses. Not all that
> uncommon on eBay.
That will all come to an end,
thanks to DSRs.
Sharpie999
>
>In message <hgj5r...@drn.newsguy.com> Sharpie999
><Sharpie9...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In years past, my best payers were the ones who sent personal checks and money
>>orders. The PayPal buyers never were worth a shit and still aren't.
>
>So what's the problem? These buyers can still send cheques or money
>orders if y'all want.
Of course I would accept them but I can't even suggest that I will accept
checks.
I sent a fairly expensive item to the UK via 'correspondence' mail for a
fraction of the cost of Priority. I had originally quoted Priority to the buyer
but refunded the guy the difference and he was happy as a lark. I have never
made money off shipping.
In the past I started everything at one dollar and it sought it own price. It
wasn't uncommon for me to ship the item before I received a check or money
order. I don't ever remember being stiffed. But now - folks are scared. Too
much bullshit put out by PayPal about protection, in my opinion.
How many seller stories have you heard about them being protected? Heh...
Lumpy
DevilsPGD:
> > So what's the problem? These buyers can still send cheques or money
> > orders if y'all want.
Sharpie999:
> Not for US sellers.
Oh boy!
Kris Baker
>
> DevilsPGD:
>> > So what's the problem? These buyers can still send cheques or money
>> > orders if y'all want.
>
> Sharpie999:
>> Not for US sellers.
>
> Oh boy!
>
>
> Lumpy
It's baaaaaack.
Kris
clams_casino
>In article <tsqqi5hainb1vsgt5...@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD says...
>
>
>>In message <hgj5r...@drn.newsguy.com> Sharpie999
>><Sharpie9...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>In years past, my best payers were the ones who sent personal checks and money
>>>orders. The PayPal buyers never were worth a shit and still aren't.
>>>
>>>
>>So what's the problem? These buyers can still send cheques or money
>>orders if y'all want.
>>
>>
>
>Not for US sellers.
>
>
>
>
But it's OK for WE sellers.
sellerssuck
<Sharpie9...@newsguy.com> wrote:
All ebay sellers are scam artists, and need to be castrated.
Sharpie999
OK Houdini, get out of this one:
Payment methods not allowed on eBay:
For most categories, sellers can't ask buyers to:
Mail checks or money orders
Sellers aren't allowed to:
Ask buyers to contact them for additional payment methods
Ask buyers to pay using a method not mentioned in the listing.
This applies to all transaction-related correspondence between a seller and
buyer as well as the listings.
Violation consequences
Make sure your listing follows our guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed,
and your buying and selling privileges could be restricted.
PeterD
<storkenst...@cox.net> wrote:
>
><edwar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3ccb591c-6cb2-4981...@z10g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 17, 6:10 am, Jesse <o...@org.orgy> wrote:
>
>> You are missing the point.
>> The item can be perfectly fine, but the shipping can be slow, the shipping
>> jacked up.
>
>Jacked up? Seller's are required to post shipping charges in their
>listings.
>You mean that you bought something knowing what the shipping cost
>was up front but then complained about it later? Isn't that kind of
>lame?
>
>************************************************
>
>I think you might be a little trigger happy here. Let's say the listing
>states UPS ground and you put in two zip codes
Huh, you put in the shipping address zip code...
> within ten miles finding out
>one comes through Worcester Ma and the other comes through Hartford Ct and
>it is less costly to to go one way than the other. I choose the more
>expensive choice for convenience. UPS actually delivers to the door. Then
>the seller fits it into a priority mail box saves themselves some $ I get a
>salmon slip in the mailbox, have to go to the post office during business
>hours and wait in line.
huh, why? USPS delivers priority mail.
>It actually would have been more convenient to get
>at the post office with the less cost ups on the calculator.
>They both are commonly used and verified addresses. Not all that uncommon
>on eBay.
>
>Fran
When sellers specify shipping service (UPS, USPS, FedEx whatever) and
the buyer selects the service, sellers do not change the service
without confirming with the buyer it is OK.
clams_casino
Buyers ask ME if a check is OK. While most prefer the quickness of
Paypal, I still have a few who prefer a check / money order.
Sharpie999
>
>
>Buyers ask ME if a check is OK. While most prefer the quickness of
>Paypal, I still have a few who prefer a check / money order.
But wouldn't it be nice if we could say we will accept checks/cheques in the
auction?
Lumpy
> But wouldn't it be nice if we could
> say we will accept checks/cheques
> in the auction?
Oh Boy!
Lumpy
> I get a salmon slip in the mailbox
I got a mauve bustier on my stoop.
Kris Baker
"clams_casino" <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote
in message news:ZNqXm.707$8e4...@newsfe03.iad...
>
> Buyers ask ME if a check is OK. While most prefer
> the quickness of Paypal, I still have a few who prefer
> a check / money order.
Same here. I accommodate them. After all, as long
as it's not a live chicken or dead husband.........
Kris
Don Lancaster
> Sharpie999 wrote:
>
>> But wouldn't it be nice if we could
>> say we will accept checks/cheques
>> in the auction?
>
>
Nobody could possibly be that dumb.
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf
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Sharpie999
>
>Lumpy wrote:
>> Sharpie999 wrote:
>>
>>> But wouldn't it be nice if we could
>>> say we will accept checks/cheques
>>> in the auction?
>>
>>
>
>Nobody could possibly be that dumb.
>
>http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf
Have a lot of time on your hands, don't you?
Pogonip
> fran...123 wrote:
>> I get a salmon slip in the mailbox
>
> I got a mauve bustier on my stoop.
>
>
That probably doesn't smell as bad as the fishy slip.
--
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fran...123
"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
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I guess I might clarify as after I posted that I realized it wasn't 100%
accurate.
There seems to be a calculator built into the listings and the my watching
page which spits out the shipping cost, it may take a couple of seconds for
these things to fill in. After "winning" in the checkout process I can go
change shipping address and three choices appear without doing any typing,
two are the same just a capital vs. small letter and the other one is really
different. That is where I discovered it would cost more to one place than
another because the total was more than it was before changing the address.
If if was priority flat rate box it wouldn't change.
Unfortunately When the seller changes the shipping company from what is in
the listing if I bother to complain they say oh that is an issue with our
template. In the categories I go to a choice of shipper is extremely rare.
And I have a normal sized mailbox on a blacktop secondary road with two acre
zoning and perhaps half developed from farmland or forest. Maybe the
opening is five inches wide by seven inches high. If the priority flat rate
box won't fit they never load it into the mail vehicle. The definition of
deliver can vary. If you read some of my other posts I have noted that fed
ex thinks leaving the package at the foot of the mailbox near the tar of the
road and in perfect view of all travelers is a fair definition of delivered.
And yes they must be less expensive as that happens too when the listing
says something else.
Fran
Fran
Lumpy
I'm at a total loss as to what to say.
So I quoted the Fran Fran post in entirety.
Sharpie999
>
>
>I'm at a total loss as to what to say.
you ARE Lumpy... Sorry...
Kris Baker
You forgot to toss the word salad.
Kris
PeterD
<storkenst...@cox.net> wrote:
>And I have a normal sized mailbox on a blacktop secondary road with two acre
>zoning and perhaps half developed from farmland or forest. Maybe the
>opening is five inches wide by seven inches high.
I have a slightly larger box, it will fit a regular FRB.
>If the priority flat rate
>box won't fit they never load it into the mail vehicle.
This should not be happening this way. I'd write a nice letter to the
post master of your town, explaining that it is OK to hang boxes on
the box in a bag. Mail carriers have plastic bags for just this
purpose. In most towns if you are nice and know the carrier they will
usually agree to leave it at the door. Mine does, box too big: it will
be on the rear deck. Then again, I spend thousands on postage, so they
are nice to me...
>The definition of
>deliver can vary. If you read some of my other posts I have noted that fed
>ex thinks leaving the package at the foot of the mailbox near the tar of the
>road and in perfect view of all travelers is a fair definition of delivered.
I'd not agree with that! <g>
>And yes they must be less expensive as that happens too when the listing
>says something else.
Over the years we've had exactly one customer with a shippign problem.
THey had NO mailbox at all... If mailed, it would eventually be
returned to me with a "Return to sender--no mail recepticle" without
any recourse. We ship to that customer by UPS, the only customer in
the last two years that we do UPS with! (UPS is a PITA to use, don't
pickup, and always add additional charges after the fact...)
>
>Fran
>
>Fran
PeterD
Sharpie999
>
>On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:33:40 -0500, "fran...123"
><storkenst...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>And I have a normal sized mailbox on a blacktop secondary road with two acre
>>zoning and perhaps half developed from farmland or forest. Maybe the
>>opening is five inches wide by seven inches high.
>
>I have a slightly larger box, it will fit a regular FRB.
>
>>If the priority flat rate
>>box won't fit they never load it into the mail vehicle.
>
>This should not be happening this way. I'd write a nice letter to the
>post master of your town, explaining that it is OK to hang boxes on
>the box in a bag. Mail carriers have plastic bags for just this
>purpose. In most towns if you are nice and know the carrier they will
>usually agree to leave it at the door. Mine does, box too big: it will
>be on the rear deck. Then again, I spend thousands on postage, so they
>are nice to me...
responsible if the parcel is stolen or is damaged by rain. All you have to do
is let the carrier know that it is OK to leave parcels. Verbal permission is
fine. That relieves the carrier of responsibility. If you never see the
carrier, simply leave a note in the mail box with your address and sign and date
it.
fran...123
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:33:40 -0500, "fran...123"
> <storkenst...@cox.net> wrote:
> I have a slightly larger box, it will fit a regular FRB.
>
>>If the priority flat rate
>>box won't fit they never load it into the mail vehicle.
>
> This should not be happening this way. I'd write a nice letter to the
> post master of your town, explaining that it is OK to hang boxes on
> the box in a bag. Mail carriers have plastic bags for just this
> purpose. In most towns if you are nice and know the carrier they will
> usually agree to leave it at the door. Mine does, box too big: it will
> be on the rear deck. Then again, I spend thousands on postage, so they
> are nice to me...
>
I am sure there may well be other things like how long the driveway is how
many branches there are (or once were) to scratch their vehicle how easy it
is to turn around once you get to the end etc. (UPS goes to the end and
leaves it in a plastic bag if no one is there). I seem to be able to deal
with this issue quite well by just having the thing sent to another address
where the mail carrier does deliver packages to the door. I was giving a
long winded example of how one could have issues with the shipping even
though they knew the cost up front. I have enough problems with getting the
neighbors mail and mail from another address with the same number and the
back half of the road's name the same I am not going to write any letters.
It is pretty obvious I put the wrong letters in the box with the flag up but
the same thing keeps happening.
I have thought about getting a bigger mailbox but then you get into
protecting it from snow plow issues.
I don't play the stars for seller ratings. Unfortunately eBay has lessened
the time they make available the completed items a seller has listed to the
point that seeing if similar items which sold resulted in feedback is
becoming not worth the bother. I think that if they have sold similar items
and no feedback was left it could say more than the feedback.
Fran
Don Lancaster
Ghee is a clarified form of Yak butter.
Sharpie999
Lumpy
> I am sure there may well be other things like how long the driveway
> is how many branches there are (or once were) to scratch their
Through rain or sleet or gloom of night,
unless the branches scratch the paint.
Lumpy
> It must be the water...
Water! What's this fly doing in my soup?
Sharpie999
>
>
>I am sure there may well be other things like how long the driveway is how
>many branches there are (or once were) to scratch their vehicle how easy it
>is to turn around once you get to the end etc.
Yeah, but when they get there, they get to hear a funny little guy playing banjo
on the front porch...
PeterD
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>Sharpie999 wrote:
>
>> It must be the water...
>
>Water! What's this fly doing in my soup?
>
>
Quiet, or everybody will want one.
Lumpy
Lump:
> > Water! What's this fly doing in my soup?
DeterP:
> Quiet, or everybody will want one.
Can I pay by -
- check please?
Don Lancaster
Gloom of Night's album just went platinum.
googler
> > The item can be perfectly fine, but the shipping can be slow, the shipping
> > jacked up.
>
> Jacked up? Seller's are required to post shipping charges in their
> listings.
> You mean that you bought something knowing what the shipping cost
> was up front but then complained about it later? Isn't that kind of
> lame?
No, your reasoning is lame.
Posting an unreasonable shipping charge does not make it reasonable.
It may be that for some reason a buyer is motivated to buy the item.
That does not make the shipping charge reasonable.
Rating a shipping charge as unreasonable is absolutely appropriate in
some cases. Knowing someone is going to charge an unreasonable amount
doesn't change that, of course.
googler
> the last two years that we do UPS with! (UPS is a PITA to use, don't
> pickup, and always add additional charges after the fact...)
>
UPS does pick up (as does USPS and FEDEX). UPS does not always add
additional charges. UPS has tracking (as does FEDEX but not the USPS).
UPS includes insurance (up to $100) in their fees.
For light items, USPS First Class has no viable competition. For
heavier items, UPS provides an excellent choice. I suspect my
experience with UPS (shipping thousands of boxes with both them and
USPS) is more relevant than yours (one box with UPS in two years).
googler
> One possible workaround is to run a user's feedback against a bellcurve
> model to amplify 3-4 star reports into 5 star reports when the majority
> of a user's feedbacks are 3-4 stars. Conversely, those that normally
> 5-star should be trusted when they give 3-4 stars.
>
> The whole shipping section also offers room for eBay to test buyer's
> ability to leave feedback. Shipping fees ratings, for example: Any
> buyer who files less than 5 stars on shipping price for an item that was
> shipped free has obviously not figured out the feedback system yet.
>
> Shipping speed is another case, when eBay knows an item was shipped
> within 24 hours of payment and the feedback has 1-2 stars for shipping
> speed, the buyer is obviously confused about how feedback works.
Are you suggesting
(1) Statistical manipulation of star rating to fit a bellcurve [sic]
(2) Special rules that compare listing features with star ratings to
toss out inconsistencies
(3) Eliminating ratings from confused buyers
Maybe eBay could have a long list of special rules that change/
prohibit/delete/automatically post DSRs. Now that would clear things
up and attract new buyers and sellers! You don't fix problems with
patchwork exceptions.
Lumpy
> Posting an unreasonable shipping charge does not make it reasonable.
Shipping charges, of any amount, are neither reasonable nor
unreasonable. They are what the seller is asking for. The buyer
has the unique ability to say "I'll pass". That ability seems
forgotten by so many.
Alex Clayton
You would think that is pretty simple? From all the bitching about it I have
to wonder if maybe it's not. of course I guess this could be in part do to
the lack of any math skills any more. I guess it's too taxing on the brain
to add up the cost of item + shipping.
--
Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know
'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads
weren't paved.
Will Rogers
Kris Baker
"Alex Clayton" <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
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>> googler wrote:
>>
>>> Posting an unreasonable shipping charge does not make it reasonable.
>>
>> Shipping charges, of any amount, are neither reasonable nor
>> unreasonable. They are what the seller is asking for. The buyer
>> has the unique ability to say "I'll pass". That ability seems
>> forgotten by so many.
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>> In Your Ears for 40 Something Years
>> www.LumpyMusic.com
>>
>
> You would think that is pretty simple? From all the bitching about it I
> have to wonder if maybe it's not. of course I guess this could be in part
> do to the lack of any math skills any more. I guess it's too taxing on the
> brain to add up the cost of item + shipping.
They don't even have to do that much.
You can sequence your search "price by shipping - lowest first".
Then again, if counting to 80 means you have to ask a crowd
of strangers for 55 different hints..........
Kris
Alex Clayton
news:7phlra...@mid.individual.net...
LOL, yes that could be it.
--
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers