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Does anyone know what today's user update means? These usually mean the opposite of what they say
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Myfathersson
May 5, 2013, 11:31:23 AM5/5/13
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I am inherently suspicious about anything ebay 'offers' (concerning shipping) after they demanded a percentage of shipping costs to be paid to them [which sounds indistinguishable from gouging]; AND jacked up their fees generally by such a gigantic margin. To me it seems that nothing ebay does is designed 'to enhance the user experience' when the user is a seller.
Especially when the changes are surrounded by a mass of planted lies in gullible media about reductions in fees. To ram through to sellers that they aren't going to benefit from any of this.
Is this global shipping business any sort of 'enhancement' (it does seem to provide shipping guarantees which I haven't otherwise got for the 5% of occasions when I actually ship to fishy foreign countries) but is it really another gigantic increase in fees disguised as an enhancement?
I am also slightly worried about the second bit of the update. It seems to mean that now you opt in to the global shipping business (meaning some huge increase in costs most of which is paid to ebay, not the shipping company?) when continuing to use ebay after receiving these updates.
Or does all this just mean that you have to increase your starting price to deal with all these increases AND benefit from their ephemeral global shipping guarantee?
Especially when the changes are surrounded by a mass of planted lies in gullible media about reductions in fees. To ram through to sellers that they aren't going to benefit from any of this.
Is this global shipping business any sort of 'enhancement' (it does seem to provide shipping guarantees which I haven't otherwise got for the 5% of occasions when I actually ship to fishy foreign countries) but is it really another gigantic increase in fees disguised as an enhancement?
I am also slightly worried about the second bit of the update. It seems to mean that now you opt in to the global shipping business (meaning some huge increase in costs most of which is paid to ebay, not the shipping company?) when continuing to use ebay after receiving these updates.
Or does all this just mean that you have to increase your starting price to deal with all these increases AND benefit from their ephemeral global shipping guarantee?
R. Totale
May 5, 2013, 1:10:36 PM5/5/13
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On Sun, 5 May 2013 08:31:23 -0700 (PDT), Myfathersson
<license...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am inherently suspicious about anything ebay 'offers'
If reading really is that hard for you, perhaps mail order is too
<license...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I am inherently suspicious about anything ebay 'offers'
complicated a business for you to be in. I'll give you $10 to mow my
lawn, instead. Bring your own mower, and try not to run it over your
foot.
Myfathersson
May 5, 2013, 1:22:12 PM5/5/13
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I didn't realise this group had become populated by employees of ebay? Nobody could be as naive as you suggest in your posting unless they had a pretty powerful incentive to put 'your' posting online.
Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
PeterD
May 6, 2013, 7:39:46 AM5/6/13
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On 5/5/2013 11:31 AM, Myfathersson wrote:
> I am inherently suspicious about anything ebay 'offers' (concerning shipping) ...
>
> Especially when the changes are surrounded by a mass of planted lies in gullible media about reductions in fees. ...
>
> Is this global shipping business any sort of 'enhancement' ...
>
>
I suppose you could do the unthinkable, like actually understanding the
agreement... Then again, that is the unthinkable so better not.
--
I'm never going to grow up.
> I am inherently suspicious about anything ebay 'offers' (concerning shipping) ...
>
> Especially when the changes are surrounded by a mass of planted lies in gullible media about reductions in fees. ...
>
> Is this global shipping business any sort of 'enhancement' ...
>
>
I suppose you could do the unthinkable, like actually understanding the
agreement... Then again, that is the unthinkable so better not.
--
I'm never going to grow up.
Myfathersson
May 6, 2013, 8:27:40 AM5/6/13
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Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
May 6, 2013, 8:27:33 AM5/6/13
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Myfathersson wrote:
> ... To me it
eBay isn't interested in your demographic - that is
anonymous whiners who aren't intellingent or mature
enough to deal with simple commerce. They'd rather have
people who "get it", who aren't disabused into thinking
that THEY have some kind of right to be loved by eBay.
The more sellers like you leave, die or get repeatedly
butt raped in prison, the simpler and more enhanced the user
experience is for the rest of us.
Lumpy
You played on "The Love Boat"?
Yes. White tux, huge sideburns.
www.LumpyMusic.com
> ... To me it
> seems that nothing ebay does is designed 'to enhance the user
> experience' when the user is a seller.
Actually, it's not ALL sellers. It's just you.
> experience' when the user is a seller.
eBay isn't interested in your demographic - that is
anonymous whiners who aren't intellingent or mature
enough to deal with simple commerce. They'd rather have
people who "get it", who aren't disabused into thinking
that THEY have some kind of right to be loved by eBay.
The more sellers like you leave, die or get repeatedly
butt raped in prison, the simpler and more enhanced the user
experience is for the rest of us.
Lumpy
You played on "The Love Boat"?
Yes. White tux, huge sideburns.
www.LumpyMusic.com
R. Totale
May 6, 2013, 8:31:54 AM5/6/13
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funky down by the pool (we eBay employees all have pools, that the
likes of you who consider signing up for things they haven't read or
can't understand when they do have bought for us). I wouldn't be
throwing away a solid $10 opportunity so quickly if I was you.
dmanz...@gmail.com
May 6, 2013, 10:53:32 AM5/6/13
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On Monday, May 6, 2013 8:27:33 AM UTC-4, Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke wrote:
> They'd rather have
>
> people who "get it", who aren't disabused into thinking
>
> that THEY have some kind of right to be loved by eBay.
>
>
>
> The more sellers like you leave, die or get repeatedly
>
> butt raped in prison, the simpler and more enhanced the user
>
> experience is for the rest of us.
> Lumpy
I agree with you Lumpy. Ebay doesn't want people who read into the user experience what ebay actually means and we don't want that sort of user here either. They prefer people who are stupid enough to be butt-raped in prison or who leave when they send out some increase in fees disguised as an added convenience.
> They'd rather have
>
> people who "get it", who aren't disabused into thinking
>
> that THEY have some kind of right to be loved by eBay.
>
>
>
> The more sellers like you leave, die or get repeatedly
>
> butt raped in prison, the simpler and more enhanced the user
>
> experience is for the rest of us.
> Lumpy
There should be less complainers about terms and fees and more users who dont actually understand that a "fee reduction" is almost always a 'fee increase'.
BrotherBart
May 6, 2013, 4:26:33 PM5/6/13
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On 5/5/2013 1:22 PM, Myfathersson wrote:
> Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
Nope. Just us eBay employees know what is going on. And we ain't letting
> Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
you in on it.
dmanz...@gmail.com
May 6, 2013, 4:29:48 PM5/6/13
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Incidentally, now that the furore about this message has gone away a bit, i have bought ebay in Jan 09 at $55.
Does anyone think that we will see those levels yet again? With all the recent increases in fees, you'd think they would be able to pay shareholders dividends for all this wasted time waiting for the share price to go up again, it's only fair?
These sellers have it easy, Sooner or later, someone from Sothebys or Christies will take over at ebay and then users wont know what hit them with fees! Making sellers pay a cut of the actual shipping charge was only the start. Doubling or quadrupling the fees is where the real money comes in: Let's stop people complaining. After al, my PR dollars are paying for all those planted articles in the press about reductions in fees. The last thing we need is people complaining about all this. It lessens the value of Bloomberg writing all those articles.
Does anyone think that we will see those levels yet again? With all the recent increases in fees, you'd think they would be able to pay shareholders dividends for all this wasted time waiting for the share price to go up again, it's only fair?
These sellers have it easy, Sooner or later, someone from Sothebys or Christies will take over at ebay and then users wont know what hit them with fees! Making sellers pay a cut of the actual shipping charge was only the start. Doubling or quadrupling the fees is where the real money comes in: Let's stop people complaining. After al, my PR dollars are paying for all those planted articles in the press about reductions in fees. The last thing we need is people complaining about all this. It lessens the value of Bloomberg writing all those articles.
Pogonip
May 6, 2013, 10:32:11 PM5/6/13
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This I know
For the UA
Tells me so.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
The Lurker At The Threshold
May 6, 2013, 9:24:56 PM5/6/13
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"BrotherBart" wrote in message news:km93ac$v74$1...@dont-email.me...
googler
May 8, 2013, 9:50:47 PM5/8/13
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have the insight to realize that. Complaining here, unfortunately,
brings out the fools who think eBay is all powerful and can do what
they want. Witness the stupid post you just gave life to by
responding.
She's unfortunately not very bright, and loves to defend eBay, usually
with insulting language. I sell there, successfully, but there is no
way I believe their newspeak about pricing and their outright
misrepresentation. Many years ago sellers were loyal, and felt a sense
of belonging.
Today the eBay conferences are gone because they enabled disillusioned
sellers to point out that the official mantra of eBay seems to be the
opposite of the unofficial mantra of Google.
Je�us
May 8, 2013, 11:46:08 PM5/8/13
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Myfathersson
May 9, 2013, 11:25:01 AM5/9/13
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That is an amusing concept: An EBay conference held AFTER fees have just been quadrupled to remove any element of profit from the broad mass of sales! I can just imagine the visuals on that one!
A room full of two classes of people. Those who sell who can still convert equity into capital but who can no longer make profit; and those who dont sell who are learning that unless they can ship cheap junk directly from China, they cant now make a profit on ebay.
I am beginning to think that no amount of propaganda on these boards put out by those with an interest in looking stupid by pretending they dont know what the UA means will help the share price and that now is the time to sell?
A room full of two classes of people. Those who sell who can still convert equity into capital but who can no longer make profit; and those who dont sell who are learning that unless they can ship cheap junk directly from China, they cant now make a profit on ebay.
I am beginning to think that no amount of propaganda on these boards put out by those with an interest in looking stupid by pretending they dont know what the UA means will help the share price and that now is the time to sell?
James E. Morrow
May 10, 2013, 11:15:22 AM5/10/13
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On Sun, 5 May 2013 10:22:12 -0700 (PDT), Myfathersson wrote:
> I didn't realise this group had become populated by employees of ebay? Nobody could be as naive as you suggest in your posting unless they had a pretty powerful incentive to put 'your' posting online.
>
> Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
Of course /we understand/ what is going on! Our plans are going
> I didn't realise this group had become populated by employees of ebay? Nobody could be as naive as you suggest in your posting unless they had a pretty powerful incentive to put 'your' posting online.
>
> Any non-employees of ebay know what is going on?
hunky dory. We eBay insiders have everything under control. Fearless
Leader John Donahoe has put forward his final solution to push weak
eBay sellers to the wall. All that remains is the mopping up
operation to eliminate the swine. It's all social Darwinism eBay
style. What Mr. Donahoe is looking for are sellers who can buy for
$1, sell for $1.25 and lose $.15 net. If you think you can run a
business that way your future on eBay is unlimited!
EBay office of confusion and misinformation, Newsgroup section.
--
James E. Morrow
Email to: jamese...@email.com
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
May 10, 2013, 3:02:08 PM5/10/13
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The Lurker At The Threshold wrote:
> I'm positive Frank doesn't have a clue!
He'll make one and give it a fake date stamp.
> I'm positive Frank doesn't have a clue!
It'll be for sale at the next coin show.
Lumpy
Can you play country music?
Sure. Which country would you like?
www.LumpyMusic.com
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
May 10, 2013, 3:03:21 PM5/10/13
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Myfathersson wrote:
> I am beginning to think ...
I think I've found your problem.
Lumpy
Did you entertain the troops?
Yes. Well, I'm pretty sure they were entertained.
www.LumpyMusic.com
> I am beginning to think ...
I think I've found your problem.
Lumpy
Did you entertain the troops?
Yes. Well, I'm pretty sure they were entertained.
www.LumpyMusic.com
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
May 10, 2013, 3:06:12 PM5/10/13
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dmanz...@gmail.com wrote:
> There should be less complainers about terms and fees and more users
> who dont actually understand that a "fee reduction" is almost always
> a 'fee increase'.
Actually, eBay employs a handful of us here on AMOE to
> There should be less complainers about terms and fees and more users
> who dont actually understand that a "fee reduction" is almost always
> a 'fee increase'.
stir up the complainers and whiners. That lets eBay know
who to target as they try and clean house.
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
May 10, 2013, 3:08:32 PM5/10/13
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googler wrote:
> You are so right.
That's what alt news groups are all about.
An anonymous poster, refusing to identify himself,
with absolutely no record or history of success or
failure or even participation in eBay, gives advice
about eBay.
Politics should be so simple.
Lumpy
You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
www.LumpyMusic.com
> You are so right.
That's what alt news groups are all about.
An anonymous poster, refusing to identify himself,
with absolutely no record or history of success or
failure or even participation in eBay, gives advice
about eBay.
Politics should be so simple.
Lumpy
You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
www.LumpyMusic.com
BIG BIRD
May 11, 2013, 9:25:11 AM5/11/13
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"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@LumpyMusic.com> wrote in message
news:kmjgjq$vom$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
googler wrote:
> You are so right.
That's what alt news groups are all about.
An anonymous poster, refusing to identify himself,
with absolutely no record or history of success or
failure or even participation in eBay, gives advice
about eBay.
Politics should be so simple.
it is, at least for the right wing hillbilly party of slimy,filthy,stinkin,
> You are so right.
That's what alt news groups are all about.
An anonymous poster, refusing to identify himself,
with absolutely no record or history of success or
failure or even participation in eBay, gives advice
about eBay.
Politics should be so simple.
angry old rich white men's dick suckin trailer trash
hillbillies,crackers,rednecks, and other assorted loooooooosers and failures
Myfathersson
May 11, 2013, 10:07:45 AM5/11/13
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The problem is that the maths doesn't make sense now. If you hike up the fees, either the sellers will notice that they have to start all sales at higher prices to cover the fees (putting the buyers off), or you will lose all those sellers.
Then all the buyers will notice sooner or later that ebay isn't an inexpensive place to buy any more and will use it less or desert it altogether
Now is definitely the time to sell the shares. BEFORE the stock market notices that the sellers and buyers have left. No amount of ebay propaganda on these boards can have the desired effect once the buyers and sellers have deserted. This is a pump-and-dump idea of truly Meg Whitman proportions!
Then all the buyers will notice sooner or later that ebay isn't an inexpensive place to buy any more and will use it less or desert it altogether
Now is definitely the time to sell the shares. BEFORE the stock market notices that the sellers and buyers have left. No amount of ebay propaganda on these boards can have the desired effect once the buyers and sellers have deserted. This is a pump-and-dump idea of truly Meg Whitman proportions!
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