Retaliation negative feedback?
Scott Smith
What is the situation when a buyer wins an auction of mine,
then decides they can't pay for it and emails me to say "sorry,
but you'll have to relist the item"?
I explained that I would already lose the eBay fees and have to
pay again to relist it (of course, I'll file a non-pay claim and get
the fees back eventually).
I left negative feedback for the buyer, but what is to stop them
from filing negative feedback right back in retaliation to screw
up my good standing on eBay?
Dave Busch
shows that I now prefer bottom-posting
You only get part of your fees back. The listing fees are gone
forever.
Nothing stops them from leaving a retaliatory negative.
You have to rely on the fact that (a) most eBayers never look at your
total feedback report card before bidding; most of them just look at
your feedback total in the auction. (b)many more don't understand
what feedback is and don't even look at your total (c) the few
remaining who DO look at your feedback report card will take your
overall number of feedbacks/negatives into account, and if you have 50
or 60 feedbacks per neg won't count the negs against you. (d) a tiny
percentage who'll take the time to page through your feedbacks to read
the negative comment after it's scrolled off the first page will see
that it's a retaliatory neg and not count it against you. (e) only an
infintessimally small number will defy common sense and hold an
isolated negative against you. You probably don't want such idiots as
buyers in the first place.
Wilbert
news:kaur1vs8boocrj8f4...@4ax.com...
Nothing. Welcome to the wonderful world of Ebay.
Richard Ward
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> I left negative feedback for the buyer, but what is to stop them
> from filing negative feedback right back in retaliation to screw
> up my good standing on eBay?
Nothing. However, if you're polite and professional when you contact
them, and if you're calm and factual in your feedback, just relating the
facts, you cuts your odds a good deal. Usually I'd add the additional
admonition that you should allow people adequate time to pay before
leaving negative feedback, but in the case of someone who flat out says
they aren't going to pay that isn't really an issue. I've left 18 or 19
negative feedback for nonpaying bidders, and haven't gotten a
retaliatory negative yet.
Richard ward
bp
> I left negative feedback for the buyer, but what is to stop them
> from filing negative feedback right back in retaliation
Nothing. But this rarely happens. (and your bidder has never left feedback
of any sort)
> to screw up my good standing on eBay?
>
How does this screw up your good standing on eBay? If one neg was all it
took to push you over the edge, you must have been most of the way there
already.
Anyway, if he did neg you, you'd have 1.08% negative feedback -- still a
very good rating for someone selling CDs, DVDs, or comics.
Scott Smith
wrote:
Actually, the reason I ask is because I also buy stuff on eBay,
and I have 1 negative already (with 170+ positives) from a
retaliation feedback a while ago. One of the people I was
buying from wrote me and told me he wouldn't allow me to
pay him with anything other than a money order (even though
his auction stated that PayPal and BidPay were options)
because I had negative feedback. Even after I explained
that it was ONE negative retaliation feedback, he simply
responded that 'negative feedback is negative feedback'
and would only accept a money order from me for the item.
Not a big deal, but it sucks that someone can retaliate with
feedback and screw up someone else's rating, even though
they were the ones that were in the wrong.
Scott Smith
>Scott Smith wrote
>>
>> I left negative feedback for the buyer, but what is to stop them
>> from filing negative feedback right back in retaliation
>
>Nothing. But this rarely happens. (and your bidder has never left feedback
>of any sort)
Actually, someone did a while ago and it affected me recently. I
have another couple non-pay's pending on recent buyers. I guess
I can just hope they don't choose to neg me in return.
>> to screw up my good standing on eBay?
>>
>
>How does this screw up your good standing on eBay? If one neg was all it
>took to push you over the edge, you must have been most of the way there
>already.
It's hardly "pushing me over the edge", but it is too bad that
people can be non-pay's or difficult buyers and screw up someone
else's ratings.
>Anyway, if he did neg you, you'd have 1.08% negative feedback -- still a
>very good rating for someone selling CDs, DVDs, or comics.
Wow. You actually took the time to look through my feedback
and auctions? You must have a lot of free time on your hands. ;-)
Mike
Same thing that will stop Bush attacking Iraq. Nothing.
Mike
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"Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin
without reading them."
Richard Ward
It can only screw up your rating if you buy from idiots. Someone who
would respond that way to one retaliatory negative is an idiot, and
violating the terms of his own auction.
MindElec
wrote:
>
>I left negative feedback for the buyer, but what is to stop them
>from filing negative feedback right back in retaliation to screw
>up my good standing on eBay?
>
>
>
nothing, they can neg you if they want.
zamfir
wrote:
>
No such thing as "retaliatory" feedback. Feedback is FEEDBACK. If
you didn't want a NEGATIVE you SHOULDNT have left one YOURSELF. Some
people mirror feedback no matter WHO is at fault.
zamfir
<rwa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>It can only screw up your rating if you buy from idiots. Someone who
>would respond that way to one retaliatory negative is an idiot, and
>violating the terms of his own auction.
Amen!
Scott Smith
>No such thing as "retaliatory" feedback.
Sure there is.
>Feedback is FEEDBACK.
There is both good and bad feedback, it's not all the same.
>If you didn't want a NEGATIVE you SHOULDNT have left one YOURSELF.
So, nobody should ever leave negative feedback on eBay if someone
stiffs them on payment?
How will others know to avoid the deadbeats?
zamfir
wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:19:08 -0800, zamfir <zam...@ebayismyliferightnow.com> wrote:
Good Question Scott! Ebay needs to revise the feedback policy. Fact
remains, everytime I leave a negative I risk getting a retaliation :-(
Curtis Desjardins
> Actually, the reason I ask is because I also buy stuff on eBay,
> and I have 1 negative already (with 170+ positives) from a
> retaliation feedback a while ago. One of the people I was
> buying from wrote me and told me he wouldn't allow me to
> pay him with anything other than a money order (even though
> his auction stated that PayPal and BidPay were options)
> because I had negative feedback.
Just as buyers can't change the auction terms after the auction,
neither can the seller. I would have paid him by PayPal/BidPay anyway.
Of course, if the auction stated he could limit payment options for
people with negative feedback, then he didn't do anything wrong. It
was stated up front.
Curtis.
--
You made a woman "meow"?
zamfir
>Most deadbeat bidders know they're in the wrong and won't leave you a
>negative. I've left about 5 negs without getting return negs.
>
>However, it happens so rarely that when you do get the "retaliatory
>negative" it's no big deal. Most buyers don't bother to read your feedback
>anyway. Those who do, will recognize the retaliatory neg as worthless.
>You can post a reply to it if you get one, which further devalues it.
You're right about that Vic! Most people are smart enough to figure
out what is a legitimate negative and what isn't. Also, some buyers
could care less about feedback. Period. When a buyer wants something
bad enough...they are going to bid (except maybe in cases where a
seller has 2 positives and 12 negatives) lol
Douglas Henke
> One of the people I was buying from wrote me and told me he wouldn't
> allow me to pay him with anything other than a money order (even
> though his auction stated that PayPal and BidPay were options)
> because I had negative feedback.
Sounds like he is trying to change the terms of the auction after the
fact. Report him to SafeHarbor or not at your whim, but you *certainly*
don't want to do business with someone so demonstrably clueless and
dishonest.
Don
Nuisance buyers otherwise rely on the fears of the above poster, & carry on screwing things up for everyone.
IMHO, anyway.
D
Don
D
Fred A. Murphy
On 13-Feb-2003, Don <so...@toomuchspam.com> wrote:
> .....& increasing feedback capacity from 80 characters to, say, 128 would
> help - current limit VERY restrictive.
I'd much rather see them increase the characters in the title from 45 to
about 80.
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