Regarding Robert Zink
Nate Jones
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Alrah
Let's get this right... you claim that you got in contact with Robert
Zink and he told you he'd help you get rid of a 'dark angel' that was
causing you problems if you would meditate for 15 hours, tell lots of
people what a great guy he is, and send him $650? And you did? Then
you complained and he didn't give you a refund...
Nate - may I suggest that you discuss all future purchases over $10
dollars with your mother first? Oh - and don't talk to gypsys either
- even if they offer you lucky heather.
Tom
>
> Let's get this right... you claim that you got in contact with Robert
> Zink and he told you he'd help you get rid of a 'dark angel' that was
> causing you problems if you would meditate for 15 hours, tell lots of
> people what a great guy he is, and send him $650? And you did? Then
> you complained and he didn't give you a refund...
So this guy walks into a bar and announces that he's selling "smart
pills". If you take one a day for a week, you'll be smarter than
ever. The pills cost $20 a piece.
So a fellow gives him a hundred and takes a bottle containing five of
the pills. A week later, he comes back into the bar and tells the
guy, "You ripped me off! Those pills were just rabbit poop!" "See?"
say the salesman, "You're getting smarter already."
Alrah
> On Sep 28, 3:14 am, Alrah <alrah-pub...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Let's get this right... you claim that you got in contact with Robert
> > Zink and he told you he'd help you get rid of a 'dark angel' that was
> > causing you problems if you would meditate for 15 hours, tell lots of
> > people what a great guy he is, and send him $650? And you did? Then
> > you complained and he didn't give you a refund...
>
> So this guy walks into a bar and announces that he's selling "smart
> pills". If you take one a day for a week, you'll be smarter than
> ever. The pills cost $20 a piece.
>
> So a fellow gives him a hundred and takes a bottle containing five of
> the pills. A week later, he comes back into the bar and tells the
> guy, "You ripped me off! Those pills were just rabbit poop!" "See?"
> say the salesman, "You're getting smarter already."
lol. Yeah but this is just a smoke screen, and we're supposed to
think about victims and abusers in connection with it. Just enough to
put off newbies to a.m. anyways. Therefore:
I declare I am a regular of a.m. for over 10 years, and the original
poster has absolutely nothing to do with any branch of the Golden Dawn
except his own mind. He is a transexual from new york who has some
mental problems after being refused from a sex change from a clinic he
assumes was funded by the former mentioned alumni. It's just a
steaming load. Forget about it and have fun! :-)
Nate Jones
Dear everyone. Thanks for the humor and the replies. Yes. I'm not the
smartest guy on the block... that's for sure.
Just to clear up, when I talked to robert zink, he said a number of
synchronicity things and it was him that was to do the meditations. As
far as my mother... this sounds terrible, but she is a fundamentalist
christian and has a pitch fork out for me.
That's the primary reason my life is messed up, and it explains the
idiotic decision to send robert zink 650 dollars. People make stupid
decisions when they are getting desperate... even temporarily.
The point of the post is not to turn people away from finding the
truth, but it is meant to inform people that robert zink has none of
it. Just think about it. Anyone who takes money while advertising
spiritual relief from darkness and the rips you off is truly fucked.
(Can I say that word on this board?)
If anyone knows of people who do not serve satan... anyone on the
planet... please let me know.
Tran-sexual: if you look on the web site you'll notice that one of the
photos of him looks like a wax face. I've been wondering about that
for a while...
By the way, I liked the smart pills joke. I'll try remember that.
Nate
Nate Jones
I have to post again.
NORMALLY I know better. What idiot sends 650 to some guy he doesn't
know? Apparently, I'm that idiot. But the truth is I know better.
It seems that I have a few critters that are extensively networked
that are trying to "take me out" of the game of life. It's interesting
to me that currents of energy saturate me at the most opportune times.
Mainly, when I have a bit of extra cash. I've noticed that money
represents freedom in many ways (I was brainwashed from early youth
into believe money was the pursuit of evil.) The point of introducing
those currents of energy is to take that extra cash... which sustains
an unhealthy need-based relationship with my enemies.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? That is not the only current of
energy I have been exposed to. I used to call it "transference of sin"
but in fact it is not. It is simply beaming me with a particular type
of energy in order to alter who I am... and therefor I do things that
are not in line with my character.
You might be thinking that I am weak. I think I am in certain areas.
What makes this situation so difficult is that once an enemy gets his/
her/their hooks into you it is very difficult to get rid of them. And
near impossible to get rid of the damage caused by them.
The other significant tool that goes hand in hand with economic
dependence is propagation of information. While these hoards keep
their hooks in my they spread falsehoods about me. This is a small
planet, and ruining a mans reputation like that is purely evil.
Some of you may be wondering "what did you do to get these enemies?"
That's is a good question if an answer actually existed. Since they
have been operating against from the age of 5 or so, I have no
explanation. What could a five year old possibly do to incur such
enemies?
Some of you might now be thinking "Aha! I must be Karma." The problem
is that Karma does not exist by itself. Quantum Mechanics has proven
there is no cause related to effect. The only Karma that exists is
what people choose to do to each other. They then call it Karma to
absolve themselves of responsibility.
That's all for now.
Nate
Patrick Schaaf
Might be. Me, I'm thinking "paranoia". And I don't believe a word of it.
best regards
Patrick
Alrah
I think you need to love yourself a little more and think about
enemies and energies a little less Nate.
Tom
>
> Dear everyone. Thanks for the humor and the replies. Yes. I'm not the
> smartest guy on the block... that's for sure.
Then take your licks and learn from them and you'l;l be that much
smarter next time. Stop trying to make out that it's some sort of
crime against humanity for someone to be barely bright enough to
extract cash from dullards like yourself. Zink is a very small-time
con, who isn't making enough with these occult antics to buy his
drugs. And he very probably gets taken in as often as you do. He's
no better off. Really.
> Just to clear up, when I talked to robert zink, he said a number of
> synchronicity things and it was him that was to do the meditations. As
> far as my mother... this sounds terrible, but she is a fundamentalist
> christian and has a pitch fork out for me.
>
> That's the primary reason my life is messed up, and it explains the
> idiotic decision to send robert zink 650 dollars.
Your first observation about not being very bright is all the
explanation needed.
> People make stupid
> decisions when they are getting desperate... even temporarily.
People become desperate because of their stupid decisions, not the
other way around. It is true that once they become desperate, they
become even more stupid, but that ball was already rolling.
> The point of the post is not to turn people away from finding the
> truth, but it is meant to inform people that robert zink has none of
> it.
Instead of trying to make him the cause of your confusion and
desperation, you should be looking for ways to become less confused
and desperate. The more time you spend denouncing Zink, the less you
spend on actually figuring out what you've been doing wrong and fixing
it. The process of finding out what's really going is not the process
of identifying all your possible enemies.
> If anyone knows of people who do not serve satan... anyone on the
> planet... please let me know.
See? That's no way to go about clearing up your misconceptions and
foolhardiness. I don't think you'll find that paranoia is the path to
serenity.
Nate Jones
That's pretty grounded advice. Perhaps I have become a little obsessed
with finding out who my enemies are. But I think that without
identifying your enemies you are likely to stay in relationship with
them, and the same like-minded people.
The stupid decisions that have brought me to this place of desperation
are too many to list. However, there is one particular mistake that I
would change more than any other, and that was the decision not to
listen to Spirit 20 years ago when I was told I was in great danger.
I'm not making Robert Zink the base cause of my problems. It may
across that way, and in that case I should change "my broadcast." What
I am trying to do is warn other people not to make the same mistake,
and add to a slowly growing body of evidence against him and the
methods used by other cons like him.
I have done a lot of research in many topics. It is my believe that
that man belongs to a global spiritual network. That network is what
Spirit was trying to warn me about those 20 years ago. As far as "I
don't believe a word of it," I'm not in the habit of arguing with
people about their opinions. If you don't believe a word of it, that's
your right. I have nothing to add to your statement.
Thank you for discussing this with me. I really do appreciate it.
Nate
Lynnea
Robert Zink, I have never been asked to cough-up $650 for a rite of
any kind (or $500 to quote another respondant on another site). This
all sounds so out-of-character for the Robert Zink I have known.
But in my reading it appears that some people on this thread consider
transsexuals a "joke" or "incompetant" somehow. While it is true that
Robert Zink has befriended transsexuals as he has other people, I
don't see that as something that should discredit anyone...even if one
TS turned out to exercise "bad judgment."
I, for one, am transsexual. More than that, I did complete
transition, am not from New York, and am known publicly for my work
for transpeople. I cannot help but find such treatment of my
demographic in this thread as snide and arrogant. I have worked for
years to advance spirituality among my demographic and human rights
for them while facing the rejection of other individuals from the
Golden Dawn in the process. Transpeople, who face opposition every
day, need the help, including help from you. Please exercise
compassion.
Blessings in Light,
Lynnea Urania Stuart
Alrah
I've got nothing against transpeople Lynnea, except one.
Do you like spiders?
I remember quite a while ago now, there was someone here purporting to
be from two different factions of the Golden Dawn. They posted a lot
of rubbish and bored us to tears with their trolling, bringing the
name of the Golden Dawn into disrepute as they did so. I took quite a
good look at this person - the results are in the archives. A
transexual with a huge chip on thier shoulder that owes this newsgroup
an apology for their antics.
And you fell into my web. Well well.
Love under Will,
Dar es Alrah.
Lynnea
Spiders are fascinating to watch, DeA. And I have kissed a few in my
day, especially when people said I couldn't. Some may consider that
to be distasteful, but the spider will just have to get used to that.
Seriously, though, whether this person is in your achives or not is
really immaterial. Even in this post, you delineated the identiy of
this "perpetrator" as a transsexual first, not as someone with a chip
on her or his shoulder. By doing so it suggests that this person has
acted this way because this is the way of transsexuals. If you
substitute the word with "black" or "latino," I would expect that you
would get some crying foul for "racism." There's no difference
between delineating over race and delineating over gender identity.
While you say you only have trouble with one transsexual, I cannot but
help but have doubts as to whether this is really so. In the magickal
world, there isn't room for prejudices.
Alrah
*ponders* Tell me more? :D
> Seriously, though, whether this person is in your achives or not is
> really immaterial. Even in this post, you delineated the identiy of
> this "perpetrator" as a transsexual first, not as someone with a chip
> on her or his shoulder.
It's still unusual enough to be distinctive and identifyable feature
(when it can be identifyed).
> By doing so it suggests that this person has
> acted this way because this is the way of transsexuals.
Not at all. If this person had been an aspie, and I'd been able to
identify them as aspie from thier mannerisms, then I would have said
so and went on to state they had a chip on thier shoulder. It happens
sometimess in minority groups. It's a problem. I'm an aspie, but if
you want to play minority games... lol.
> If you
> substitute the word with "black" or "latino," I would expect that you
> would get some crying foul for "racism."
Why? If they'd been black I would I have said so, and that wouldn't
have been racist.
> There's no difference
> between delineating over race and delineating over gender identity.
For purposes of identification delineation happens. Fact of life. I
have no doubt some people refer to me as 'that aspie woman'. So
what? I am.
> While you say you only have trouble with one transsexual, I cannot but
> help but have doubts as to whether this is really so.
That's your perogative... and your problem.
> In the magickal
> world, there isn't room for prejudices.
The magickal world is as it is, like the rest of the world. If you're
too overly sensitive to how other people see and react to you then
you'll only spoil your own potential for happiness.
Lynnea
>
> The magickal world is as it is, like the rest of the world. If you're
> too overly sensitive to how other people see and react to you then
>
Yes, it is like the rest of the world. This isn't a question of being
overly sensitive. It's a question about needing to show sensitivity
and to keep up with societal trends in communicating with others
outside your field. If you don't do this, you spoil your own
potential for growth and understanding. If you want others to
understand you, you need to show a willingness to understand them.
Alrah
> > The magickal world is as it is, like the rest of the world. If you're
> > too overly sensitive to how other people see and react to you then
> > you'll only spoil your own potential for happiness.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yes, it is like the rest of the world. This isn't a question of being
> overly sensitive. It's a question about needing to show sensitivity
> and to keep up with societal trends in communicating with others
> outside your field.
Are transexuals more sensitive than other people? Is that why I
should show them more sensitivity? Do you think I should show them
more sensitivity than someone who's just come back from a war zone?
More sensitivity than I am expected to show the bereaved? How much
sensitivity is required do you think?
Let me tell what exactly what I think 'sensitivity is'. It's having
patience when someone is whinging.
And 'societal trends' are people trying to set an upper limit on how
much whinging that people should put up with from one another.
> If you don't do this, you spoil your own
> potential for growth and understanding. If you want others to
> understand you, you need to show a willingness to understand them.
99 people out of a hundred would need to get a brain transplant to
understand me properly honey. So I don't worry about it.
Alrah
Owch!
See?