Imagining / Visualizing Artwork
CoreyWhite
psychosis. He feels that when you imagine auras around things you can
get some kind of clairvoyance from the experience. I used to feel that
way, but gradually I've learned to ignore my second sight. At least
except when I focus on it. When I focus on my second sight I see
lights dancing around that often have crystal clarity, and can even
decieve me into thinking they are really there. But when I focus on
them I seem to have total control over them, I can see blue, or red, or
green, and yellow, I like neon pink the best right now and ultra-violet
blue.
And when I close my eyes obviouslly I can see a perfect picture of what
I was looking at just moments before. Even with my eyes open I can
visualize very detailed information, especially when I have the object
to focus on. Imagining fruits comes very easy, or even now just
looking at a pack of cigarettes I have been avoiding all day. I can
imagine it floating up into the air, rotating around, opening up, and a
cigarette comes flying out into my mouth. I can even taste it. But
this image doesn't look as vivid as the lights and colors I imagine,
because if it did it would seem as real as the box of cigarettes. The
lights and colors are more like smoke, or are so very tiny they are
just twinkles and sparkles of light. The box of cigarettes I'm imaging
now looks quite a bit like it is made out of mist or smoke.
But I don't get much information from my visual imagination, not like I
do from my voices. But the voices just informed me of a whole new use
for visual hallucinations! And that is imagining artwork.
It is a real skill to be able to look at something that you see is
right in front of you and draw it, and I'm no good at it. But if I
have another drawing handy, or even a photograph. It is fairly easy
for me to draw a picture that resembles it quite nicely. I haven't put
a lot of time into the skill either. But it just occurd to me that
since my imagination and visualization skills are so active, I can
learn to imagine artwork and photographs that I then draw on paper.
Instead of imagining fully 3d images, I imagine flat drawings with the
perspective I need to draw them already built in.
All I have to do is start looking at drawings, and practice drawing
them. And then learn how to visualize them, just like I am doing now
with visualizing the cigarette pack. Pretty soon the visual
hallucinations will naturally develope on their own, and I will be
drawing life like pictures of whatever I'm looking at. And I bet you
they don't teach you that trick in art school.
But honestly sometimes I do get visual impressions of things that feel
clairvoyant, they just don't come through the colors and smoke. And
happen more in dreams and meditation.
beauty
>
> But honestly sometimes I do get visual impressions of things that feel
> clairvoyant, they just don't come through the colors and smoke. And
> happen more in dreams and meditation.
Now this subject interests me.
I have been drawing visions since I was a teenager and am good at it. I
have the talent for it. What you do is combine your technical expertise
and observation skills to your inner mythology.
I would not call these hallucinations. I would call these visions. And
clairvoyance, although Orthodox do not state they are clairvoyant.
It takes discipline to draw your fantasies. That is a genre: fantasy
artist. There is a whole section devoted to it on wetcanvas.com if you
are interested. I would be interested in exploring this with you. I
have some fantasy art hidden on my flickr site which I might show you
in the future.
I have not been drawing my fantasies lately because they are so intense
and so forbidden. I am scared of them. Perhaps I might be willing to
discuss these with you privately in the future as long as you
understand that we are to be friends only.
I recommend the work of Alexander Grey for inspiration, and many
illustrators such as Trina Schimmdt Hymm, if I am remembering her name
correctly.
Go to the children's section of the library and look at their
illustrated fairy tales.
Also, anime is a good source of inspiration.
I think I may resubscribe to alt.magick.
Please strip the alt.gothic header when replying to my message.
Thank you.
CoreyWhite
wall hanging I have, with a detailed expression of a kitty cat. I can
close my eyes and visualize it, and then I begin to imagine inside of
my mind that I am drawing it over the visual impression I see. But I
have found after I open my eyes and look at the paper the visualization
slowly fades away. So I just look again at the artwork, and with my
eyes open I visualized colors flowing over the detailed lines and get a
grasp for the proportions of the image. And then I look down at the
paper and recreate those lines of color and imagination on the paper
before I put the pen down. I can't imagine the whole image at once
because of the detail, but with practice I think I will be able to.
Buddhist monks imagine entire mandalas, and create them as a
sandpainting only a few grains of sand at a time.
Hopefully I will be able to share some of my artwork with you in the
future. But I need to take the time to practice! I almost took a
class in drawing last year, but the class was totally filled up. And I
think I will learn working at home on my own pace. I just need to get
my hands on some good art to practice with like you mentioned, and
maybe start by visualizing primitive shapes on paper. I'm already
finding it to be more of an acomplishment to visualize drawings in my
mind instead of just copying them directly from the real artists work.
And it has real potential to turn into putting my own visions down on
paper.
Thanks for all the support and friendship. That's what I like about
you, you are always so constructive!
beauty
> I'm experimenting with the technique right now. I've been looking at a
> wall hanging I have, with a detailed expression of a kitty cat. I can
> close my eyes and visualize it, and then I begin to imagine inside of
> my mind that I am drawing it over the visual impression I see. But I
> have found after I open my eyes and look at the paper the visualization
> slowly fades away. So I just look again at the artwork, and with my
> eyes open I visualized colors flowing over the detailed lines and get a
> grasp for the proportions of the image. And then I look down at the
> paper and recreate those lines of color and imagination on the paper
> before I put the pen down. I can't imagine the whole image at once
> because of the detail, but with practice I think I will be able to.
> Buddhist monks imagine entire mandalas, and create them as a
> sandpainting only a few grains of sand at a time.
>
spiritual path, but you know I am a Christian now, and that is what I
will remain. You sound like you are on an illegal psychoactive drug. I
would caution you away from that kind of thinking. Its dangerous.
> Hopefully I will be able to share some of my artwork with you in the
> future. But I need to take the time to practice! I almost took a
> class in drawing last year, but the class was totally filled up. And I
> think I will learn working at home on my own pace. I just need to get
> my hands on some good art to practice with like you mentioned, and
> maybe start by visualizing primitive shapes on paper. I'm already
> finding it to be more of an acomplishment to visualize drawings in my
> mind instead of just copying them directly from the real artists work.
> And it has real potential to turn into putting my own visions down on
> paper.
>
in my mind and then draw them. Practice by taking photographs and then
drawing your photographs. That way you are learning how to draw your
vision. Your photographs are your visions.
> Thanks for all the support and friendship. That's what I like about
> you, you are always so constructive!
>
>
destructive, and that saddens me. I destroy illusions.
CoreyWhite
> CoreyWhite wrote:
> > I'm experimenting with the technique right now. I've been looking at a
> > wall hanging I have, with a detailed expression of a kitty cat. I can
> > close my eyes and visualize it, and then I begin to imagine inside of
> > my mind that I am drawing it over the visual impression I see. But I
> > have found after I open my eyes and look at the paper the visualization
> > slowly fades away. So I just look again at the artwork, and with my
> > eyes open I visualized colors flowing over the detailed lines and get a
> > grasp for the proportions of the image. And then I look down at the
> > paper and recreate those lines of color and imagination on the paper
> > before I put the pen down. I can't imagine the whole image at once
> > because of the detail, but with practice I think I will be able to.
> > Buddhist monks imagine entire mandalas, and create them as a
> > sandpainting only a few grains of sand at a time.
> >
> I did mandalas as a teenager. I went through a Buddhist phase on my
> spiritual path, but you know I am a Christian now, and that is what I
> will remain. You sound like you are on an illegal psychoactive drug. I
> would caution you away from that kind of thinking. Its dangerous.
My mom made mandalas for years. She even sold her saind paintings in
art galleries.
Why do I sound like I am on drugs? I don't even drink.
> > Hopefully I will be able to share some of my artwork with you in the
> > future. But I need to take the time to practice! I almost took a
> > class in drawing last year, but the class was totally filled up. And I
> > think I will learn working at home on my own pace. I just need to get
> > my hands on some good art to practice with like you mentioned, and
> > maybe start by visualizing primitive shapes on paper. I'm already
> > finding it to be more of an acomplishment to visualize drawings in my
> > mind instead of just copying them directly from the real artists work.
> > And it has real potential to turn into putting my own visions down on
> > paper.
> >
> I would not visualize the shapes on paper. I would visualize the shapes
> in my mind and then draw them. Practice by taking photographs and then
> drawing your photographs. That way you are learning how to draw your
> vision. Your photographs are your visions.
When you really understand how to do something you should be able to
visualize yourself doing it. Just imagine yourself picking up a
pencil, and drawing a circle on paper. That should come very
naturally. But if you want to paint a portrait of someone, you still
have to be able to imagine yourself picking up that paint brush and
painting every detailed line on that canvas, before you can actually do
it for real. It just takes time to learn how to really imagine things.
And a good way to practice is by learning to imagine how to paint
portraits from photographs, and other artsts works. But you have to
really understand the human form, and when you do visualizing it is
totally natural.
> > Thanks for all the support and friendship. That's what I like about
> > you, you are always so constructive!
> >
> >
> You are welcome. I am glad you find me constructive. Most find me
> destructive, and that saddens me. I destroy illusions.
You can't let losers get you feeling sorry for yourself. You seem far
too strong to let anyone tear you appart. Just listen to your own
inner voice and what they are saying about you!
Where I live we have so many artists, I can walk down town and get a
portrait drawn of myself, or even a painting for free. And the artists
do such a good job I like their work better than photographs. And they
do it so fast too! I've spoken with some of them about their
techniqes, and one I know paints murals on the walls of buildings in
town. He uses so much color and detail, and I've actually seen his
skill grow from painting cartoons, to painting figures and scenes that
are 100% photorealistic. Part of his talent he says comes from his
abillity to visualize. No one rips appart my artistic talents, but
they don't have to.
Ren
not particularly concerned with clairvoyance. Perhaps its romantic use
within a gothic novel?
But if we were to look at its fictional use then let us look at "From
Beyond" a movie based on a fictional story by H.P. Lovecraft.
>From this movie we can see that clairvoyance originates from above the
eyes and it is not just a visualization but a combination of
visualization and awareness of the places above the eyes. This is
different than just imagining. When you day dream or dream you aren't
focused anywhere on your body.
Yes I imagine auras and my subconscious can project into my conscious
imagination a lot of information. But it only works if I also focus on
that place just above the middle of my eyes at the same time.
This is not psychosis. But those with particular forms of psychosis
that hallucinate often do see auras because a lot of things are
happening in their brains including imagination and focusing on areas
of their bodies. They can't control it.
I can control it. I am not a psycho though some beg to differ.
As far as using clairvoyance to examine artwork, well, just look at a
Da Vinci painting and perform imagination while focusing above your
eyes. You'll see a lot of irreligious hidden meanings after awhile.
Furthermore, your subconscious mind will send to your imagination a lot
it has been meaning to tell you through pictures. Scary at first.
You've been ignoring it all this time.
beauty
>
> This is not psychosis. But those with particular forms of psychosis
> that hallucinate often do see auras because a lot of things are
> happening in their brains including imagination and focusing on areas
> of their bodies. They can't control it.
>
> I can control it. I am not a psycho though some beg to differ.
>
is a mental illness. It is not good behavior to ridicule those who are
mentally ill.
Bassos
"Ren" <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure what alt.gothic has got to do with your post as they are
> not particularly concerned with clairvoyance. Perhaps its romantic use
> within a gothic novel?
Dancing on some sweet tunes of death to experience the synesthesia of seeing
the music as colour ?
Tom
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Unless, of course, they invite it.
beauty
> Why do I sound like I am on drugs? I don't even drink.
>
Its the way you write. Its very unconventional. I don't do mandalas
anymore...
I totally disagree. Visualizing is too spacey. Look, I have this book
on Creative Visualization I can send you if I like. The only kind of
vision I am interested now is The Orthodox Vision, the official
diocesan magazine of the ocadow published by his grace bishop tikhon.
>
> > > Thanks for all the support and friendship. That's what I like about
> > > you, you are always so constructive!
> > >
> > >
> > You are welcome. I am glad you find me constructive. Most find me
> > destructive, and that saddens me. I destroy illusions.
>
> You can't let losers get you feeling sorry for yourself. You seem far
> too strong to let anyone tear you appart. Just listen to your own
> inner voice and what they are saying about you!
>
That's not the point. The point is my life circumstances threaten to
tear me apart, despite what someone who is not reading this list might
think, and I must strengthen myself. One has to be very careful what
one writes on the Internet. You never know who may be reading it,
especially if one is a milf.
> Where I live we have so many artists, I can walk down town and get a
> portrait drawn of myself, or even a painting for free. And the artists
> do such a good job I like their work better than photographs. And they
> do it so fast too! I've spoken with some of them about their
> techniqes, and one I know paints murals on the walls of buildings in
> town. He uses so much color and detail, and I've actually seen his
> skill grow from painting cartoons, to painting figures and scenes that
> are 100% photorealistic. Part of his talent he says comes from his
> abillity to visualize. No one rips appart my artistic talents, but
> they don't have to.
Same here, with the plethora of artists. Why just last week I walked in
on an artist's night at the local community center. I dislike all that
flim flam, which is why I did not pursue a gallery career.