Dangers in Enochian Magick
Bughuggger
the abstract. If you get into that which is not abstract, you will find you
have to include your whole body and mind will have less and less import as it
is easily manipulated and at any rate mirrors the universal mind which is not
personal. This is just relatively speaking. IF you are going to depend upon
other people's constructions, you had better look at what they've produced. Are
they mature people? Or are they proud of their immaturity?
>Hello,
>
>I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
>magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
>practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
>dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
>spiritual or otherwise ?
>
>For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
>advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
>be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
>
>Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
>practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>
>Menshak.
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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Dr. Bonzo
>
> The brother of a friend of mine was playing around with enochian magic, and
> he ended up living in his room, drawing wierd pictures and enochian script
> all over his walls, and was completely incapable of interacting meaningfully
> with other people. I believe he has since been committed.
>
> But then, you can build a tower of babel with any magical system. Remember
> to keep yourself in touch with the ground.
>
"The lunatic asylums are full of people who naively set out to study the
occult before they had any real competence in dealing with the
ordinary."
- Brad Steiger
richard sprigg
>
> To my mind, there is danger in depending upon any system which is founded upon
> the abstract.
Like religion, magick and mysticism.
>If you get into that which is not abstract,
Like knitting.
> you will find you
> have to include your whole body and mind will have less and less > import
Obviously.
Happy knitting.
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
bughu...@aol.com (Bughuggger) wrote:
>
> -Bughu...@aol.com
>
Ah! I see your medication appears to be working now. Carry on.
--
Jerry Adams
AKA: Praxis
Tom Schuler
"Dr. Bonzo" <fake...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "The lunatic asylums are full of people who naively set out to
> study the occult before they had any real competence in
> dealing with the ordinary."
> - Brad Steiger
I expect Mr. Steiger had little experience with "lunatic asylums" and why
people were there.
Tom Schuler
"Bughuggger" <bughu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> To my mind, there is danger in depending upon any system
> which is founded upon the abstract.
All language and symbology is, in some sense, an abstraction.
> If you get into that which is not abstract, you will find you
> have to include your whole body and mind will have less
> and less import as it is easily manipulated and at any rate
> mirrors the universal mind which is not personal.
I think you're having trouble with your abstractions, if this sentence is
any indication.
Dr. Bonzo
To be perfectly honest I have no idea who Brad Steiger is, I just liked
the quote.
-bonzo
David Blue
admit when he doesn't know something; he might really have some decent
knowledge"
for the record i have no clue who steiger is either, but i've heard either
wilson or crowley use the quote before
Dr. Bonzo
>
> see, now THIS is the kind of post that makes me think "hey, this guy can
> admit when he doesn't know something; he might really have some decent
> knowledge"
>
> for the record i have no clue who steiger is either, but i've heard either
> wilson or crowley use the quote before
>
Good memory. I lifted the quote from _Cosmic Trigger Vol I_, by Robert
Anton Wilson.
-bonzo
Tom Schuler
> Tom Schuler wrote:
> >
> > I expect Mr. Steiger had little experience with "lunatic asylums"
> > and why people were there.
>
> the quote.
Steiger is the author of such scholarly works as "Flying Saucers Are
Hostile". In "Other Worlds, Other Lives", Mr. Steiger argues that special
people (like him and his friends) are "Star People", are reincarnations of
advanced souls from other planets. He even has a questionnaire so you can
find out if you are a star person, too. It includes questions like:
Does the phrase "The time is now!" seem familiar?
Chris
is Enochian Dangerous and if so what are the dangers? what do you
suggest for begginers and what is the difference between the different
systems?
Thanx
Tom Schuler
"Chris" <cmwi...@home.com> wrote in message
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I have never heard of a single verifiable case of anyone coming to any real
harm solely due to the practice of Enochian magick. Now, a number of
mentally unstable people have gotten themselves in trouble while practicing
some form of magick or another, but they would have gotten in similar
trouble practicing almost anything, so I don't think you can blame the
magick.
And, of course, you always hear stories about this or that anonymous person
who committed suicide or something, but these stories are inevitably
unverifiable and can reasonably be seen as modern myths or folk-tales.
Mostly, the worst experience that people have with magick is scaring
themselves.
Josh Norton
wrote:
>
>"Chris" <cmwi...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:3915C960...@home.com...
>> So in relation to the original post, because I am curious about it also,
>> is Enochian Dangerous and if so what are the dangers? what do you
>> suggest for begginers and what is the difference between the different
>> systems?
>
>I have never heard of a single verifiable case of anyone coming to any real
>harm solely due to the practice of Enochian magick. Now, a number of
>mentally unstable people have gotten themselves in trouble while practicing
>some form of magick or another, but they would have gotten in similar
>trouble practicing almost anything, so I don't think you can blame the
>magick.
>
I don't know if it is legitimate to quote oneself, but the following
is an excerpt from my paper "A Short Course in Scrying" that bears on
the matter. The full paper can be found at
http://w3.one.net/~browe/ashort.htm.
Regards,
Josh
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There are several considerations for Enochian magick work that do not
apply to scrying using other systems.
The first of these is the unquestionable power of the Calls and the
divine and angelic names. As Crowley once said, other systems require
effort; Enochian magick requires caution. While the power built up in
any one session is almost never of an unmanageable level, some effects
of the magick tend to accumulate across sessions; it is easy for an
overeager beginner to get in deeper than he expects. Added to this,
the powers invoked through the Calls seem to enter into the magician's
field of awareness along some spiritual dimension that is outside
those we consider "normal"; it seems to operate through some sort of
meta-space with qualities different from those that compose the
magickal worlds to which we are accustomed.
The consequence of these factors is that any work with the magick
places a certain amount of stress on the magician's mind and body, and
over-use can lead to various stress-related forms of illness. Anyone
working regularly with the magick should keep an eye out for signs of
this stress in himself. The typical symptoms are similar to those that
come from abusing methedrine or "speed": nervous exhaustion, severely
lowered immune response, inability to concentrate, hypersensitivity,
hyper-reactivity, reduced judgment, flights of ideas, and paranoia.
One time in my own career, the stress of overusing this magick
combined with an equally stressful mundane occupation to give me the
worst of both the physical and mental consequences. On the physical
side, I contracted mononucleosis, effectively stopping all my magickal
work for six months or so. On the mental side, the changed viewpoint
and loss of judgment caused me to make seditious remarks to a class of
Federal employees I was training, resulting in the loss of my
livelihood.
So caution is well-justified. But with a few easy, obvious
precautions, these problems can be avoided.
-- Avoid using the magick at times when other parts of your life are
unusually stressful. Try to arrange your affairs so as to reduce the
social and economic pressures to the minimum level compatible with
your needs.
-- Get regular exercise; a healthy body handles stress better.
-- Don't use recreational drugs while working with the magick. Aside
from being illegal (jail is a poor place for magickal work), all of
them add to the stress on your body. Most stimulants and sedatives
also reduce your magickal sensitivity and ability to focus in your
magickal space. Hallucinogens make you _too_ sensitive, and reduce
your level of control.
-- Learn to pace yourself. When first starting out, allow a day or two
between Enochian invocations to absorb the results and "cool off".
Later, when you get to the point where you need to accumulate power
over several day's worth of invocations, allow at least as many days
off after the series as you spent in doing the work. Take longer
vacations from the work every few months to keep yourself grounded.
The importance of pacing yourself cannot be overemphasized. When you
begin getting significant results from your Enochian work, it is very
tempting to keep going; the anticipation of even more amazing results
drives you on. But the extra-dimensional or meta-dimensional character
of these forces allows them to influence all levels of your being
simultaneously, including many levels of which you are not consciously
aware. The cumulative effects of this influence can cascade into a
dangerous level of stress before you become aware of it. Regular
intervals of rest and relaxation, and of immersion in the everyday
world, are the only sure way to avoid the problems.
Another difficulty, which bears more directly on scrying, is that the
Calls allow you to invoke a force without having any knowledge of its
nature. In normal methods of invocation, one begins with a symbol or
set of symbols, and seeks by their use to bring about the
manifestation of the corresponding powers. The symbols you use define
the power to be invoked. In contrast, the Calls produce a
manifestation of power regardless of whether you comprehend their
symbolic content.
Adding to the confusion is the fact that, from a perspective
accustomed to the traditional magickal powers (i.e., the elements,
planets, and zodiac) the nature of the invoked powers seems to change
depending on the depth of one's penetration into their realms. Or from
another angle, the Calls and Names open up different realms, depending
on the level of existence at which you are operating. On the most
superficial level, they appear to be more or less "elemental" in
nature, with an overlay related to the functions of the angels'
specific offices; but at "deeper" or "higher" levels, this elemental
aspect fades, to be replaced by a succession of increasingly complex
and inclusive expressions that may bear little or no relation to the
most superficial appearance.
Unless the magician supplies an explicit set of symbols to which the
invoked powers can be anchored, the powers will tend to remain in an
indeterminate state; a sort of "fuzzy cloud" of energy which contains
all the power's potential expressions, but which manifests none of
them explicitly. A visual symbol used as an anchor causes this
indeterminacy to "collapse" into that aspect of the power which is
most nearly similar to the symbol's innate associations. The
congruency between the symbol and the invoked power does not have to
be very great. It is sufficient that some small aspect of the symbol's
associations be similar to the power's; the major associations of the
symbol can be entirely inappropriate, and this collapse will still
occur.
So the symbol the scryer uses will determine, in part, the initial
manifestation of an invoked Enochian power; the scryer's expectations
or preconceptions of the power's nature will also be partially
determining. This accounts for the documented fact that different
magicians have produced widely varying -- sometimes even contradictory
-- results using the system. However, it is my observation that with
repeated invocations and scryings, the true nature of the invoked
power will break through these initial, superficial expressions. The
longer you work with a particular Enochian power, the more closely
your results will accord with that nature, and the deeper you will
penetrate into the realms to which the power connects.
Since penetration past the sometimes-deceiving surface manifestations
takes time, orderly, methodical work habits are necessary to get the
most value of your Enochian work. The fact that invocations have a
cumulative effect can be used to advantage if you plan out your course
ahead of time, and stick to it. The following suggestions will all
enhance the effectiveness of your Enochian scryings:
-- For every angel or other power that you invoke, do several scrying
sessions. Allow time for a connection to be built up between you and
the angel, and for your mind to become accustomed to its power.
-- Work for an extended period solely with powers from a single
Tablet. Or if you are working with the Aethyrs or the 91 Parts of the
Earth, pick a set of contiguous Aethyrs or Parts and do them
sequentially.
-- If you are invoking single squares of some angelic or divine name,
plan to do all the squares of that name in sequence.
-- Plan out a series of invocations to investigate all the angels of a
given rank within one of the Tablets, in some logical sequence.
Complete the series before working with any other rank or Tablet.
Alternately, plan out a series to investigate all the powers within a
given Lesser Angle, in order of rank.
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Josh Norton -- browe at one dot net
Enochian magick at http://w3.one.net/~browe
Joseph
Be careful you might invoke something you can't banish!
men...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
>
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
> advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
> be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
>
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Menshak.
>
saty...@my-deja.com
< snip Tom's boiler-plate >
< snip Josh's reply (for brevity only) >
Thanks for a wonderful post.
I can only add that in my experience, some of the
entities/forces/spaces of Enochian Magick do not appear to be
susceptible to traditional banishing methods. This resistance to
spacial-temporal containment leads to results, desirable or otherwise,
that extend beyond the expected field of operation and duration of the
work. In the case of the AEthyrs themselves, the only way I have found
to dispel them is to move on to another.
Satyr
93 93/93
Leo Smith
Tom Schuler wrote:
Steiger is the author of such scholarly works as "Flying Saucers Are
Hostile". In "Other Worlds, Other Lives", Mr. Steiger argues that special
people (like him and his friends) are "Star People", are reincarnations of
advanced souls from other planets.
Well there you go. I expect all of alt.magick is really. I mean it certainly
feels that way huh?
He even has a questionnaire so you can
find out if you are a star person, too. It includes questions like:Does the phrase "The time is now!" seem familiar?
Not really. I gues I must be deluded.
Does being an advanced star persrn from another planet have any practical
uses? Apart from making you feel superior and special Tom?
Martin Swain
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <9574894...@news.win.co.nz>,
> "Fuzzypeg" <fuzz...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> At the time I hadn't been exposed to the UFO lore yet this image is
> identical to the "grey" space aliens that are popular in the UFO
> contactee subculture. The context in which it appeared was not the
> normal context in which it is normally encountered. And apparently,
> others have seen this image outside the UFO/abductee context. Also it
> seems to me the types of similar images evolve as our culture does.
> In times past, such encounters were with demons or elves or a more
> typical creatures. Thus I postulated that it may be archetypical in
the
> Jungian sense.
what *will* people (homo sapiens) look like in 250 000 a.?
check out any kind of anthropology chart that compares Neanderthal
man to Modern man with the intermediete steps. then extrapolate.
that's what the person who initially created that image did.
P.S. don't bother arguing until you do that.
P.P.S. if anyone knows who did the *original* artwork, i'ld like
to know. references please.
> > --
> > Fuzzypeg
> --
> Jerry Adams
> AKA: Praxis
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
oursnoir
Tom Schuler
<saty...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8f97e2$5lk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> I can only add that in my experience, some of the
> entities/forces/spaces of Enochian Magick do not appear to be
> susceptible to traditional banishing methods.
Interesting. I hadn't noticed that. Maybe it's the context in which you
invoked and banished them that yielded that result. When I close down a
magical operation, I equilibrate everything. No matter what I call up, I
match it with its dynamic opposite. Maybe you approach banishing as some
sort of standardized ritual cleansing, the smae for every force you call up.
This may result in some conjured forces not being susceptible to the
cleansing routine.
> In the case of the AEthyrs themselves, the only way I have found
> to dispel them is to move on to another.
This makes sense. Every state of consciousness is banished by the next
state you acquire.
Tom Schuler
"Leo Smith" <Mr.Na...@Nospam.shaman.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Does being an advanced star persrn from another planet have
> any practical uses? Apart from making you feel superior and
> special Tom?
No, that appears to be about it.
Tom Schuler
"Martin Swain" <ours...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> what *will* people (homo sapiens) look like in 250 000 a.?
>
> check out any kind of anthropology chart that compares Neanderthal
> man to Modern man with the intermediete steps. then extrapolate.
> that's what the person who initially created that image did.
Well, any projections based on past trends fails to take into account the
ability we've gained to meddle with our genetic blueprint.
By 250,000 c.e., we could be mile-long giants with hyperdrives for spines.
Read Arthur C. Clarke's wonderful short story "Day Million", for other ideas
on this.
Joe Cosby
news:LP4S4.4898$eA.5...@nntp2.onemain.com...
We're not evolving for survival anymore. I don't think there's any
country in the world where the average life expectancy falls short of
the peak child-bearing years.
We are, however, practicing genetic selection. The sexually
attractive traits themselves are now our genetic determinants.
Survival traits don't figure.
As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends) won't
be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary trends.
The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite beer
commercial.
Think about it.
--
Joe Cosby
Here at Microsoft, drive head contention is more than just our promise
to you.
It's a way of life.
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
Odysseus
Martin Swain <ours...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8etnd7$t8l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <9574894...@news.win.co.nz>,
> > "Fuzzypeg" <fuzz...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
>
> > At the time I hadn't been exposed to the UFO lore yet this image is
> > identical to the "grey" space aliens that are popular in the UFO
> > contactee subculture. The context in which it appeared was not the
> > normal context in which it is normally encountered. And apparently,
> > others have seen this image outside the UFO/abductee context. Also it
> > seems to me the types of similar images evolve as our culture does.
> > In times past, such encounters were with demons or elves or a more
> > typical creatures. Thus I postulated that it may be archetypical in
> the
> > Jungian sense.
>
>
> check out any kind of anthropology chart that compares Neanderthal
> man to Modern man with the intermediete steps. then extrapolate.
> that's what the person who initially created that image did.
>
What intermediate steps? The current anthropological opinion is that the
Neanderthals have no living descendants, but were contemporary (possibly in
direct competition) with our ancestors. Anyway, if you dressed one
appropriately he wouldn’t stand out from a crowd of modern _Homo sapiens_.
__________
--Odysseus
Joshua O'Brien
>
> Tom Schuler <d...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:LP4S4.4898$eA.5...@nntp2.onemain.com...
> >
> > "Martin Swain" <ours...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8f9evb$eth$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > check out any kind of anthropology chart that compares Neanderthal
> > > man to Modern man with the intermediete steps. then extrapolate.
> > > that's what the person who initially created that image did.
> >
> account the
> > ability we've gained to meddle with our genetic blueprint.
> >
> > By 250,000 c.e., we could be mile-long giants with hyperdrives for
> spines.
> >
> > Read Arthur C. Clarke's wonderful short story "Day Million", for
> other ideas
> > on this.
> >
>
> We're not evolving for survival anymore.
Being alive tends to aid most other endeavours.
> I don't think there's any
> country in the world where the average life expectancy falls short of
> the peak child-bearing years.
Maybe not but children will still die.
> We are, however, practicing genetic selection. The sexually
> attractive traits themselves are now our genetic determinants.
Until necrophilia enjoys some sort of revival, I doubt that rigor mortis
will figure high on the list of most sexually attractive traits.
> Survival traits don't figure.
I assure you that not hacking oneself apart with breadknives will remain
popular.
> As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends) won't
> be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary trends.
> The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite beer
> commercial.
>
> Think about it.
I want chakras installed in my hyperdrive spine.
Leo Smith
Joe Cosby wrote:
>
>
> We're not evolving for survival anymore. I don't think there's any
> country in the world where the average life expectancy falls short of
> the peak child-bearing years.
>
> We are, however, practicing genetic selection. The sexually
> attractive traits themselves are now our genetic determinants.
> Survival traits don't figure.
>
Isn't that then a survival trait? The environment favours beutiful bodies,
not astounding minds?
However I do beg to disagree. My fairly wide experience of life, sex and
women leads me to believe that whilst they always like to fuck the smart
'interesting' guys, they marry the bank manager - if they are good looking
enough. So they get the best genes, and the most stable nests.
Speaking as the smart interesting guy who never got married.
>
> As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends) won't
> be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary trends.
> The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite beer
> commercial.
>
Hmm. I think this deserves a little more thought than I have time for.
Gary Achenbach
>As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends)
>won't be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary
>trends. The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite
>beer commercial.
>
Dubious. People will tend to breed with others approximately as
attractive as themselves (sound evolutionary strategy--go for the
most attractive mate one can; that tending to be limited by one's
own). I dunno where you live, but I see an awful lot of goofy-
looking people around, and they don't seem to be underbreeding.
Best,
--Gar
Josh Norton
>I can only add that in my experience, some of the
>entities/forces/spaces of Enochian Magick do not appear to be
>susceptible to traditional banishing methods. This resistance to
>spacial-temporal containment leads to results, desirable or otherwise,
>that extend beyond the expected field of operation and duration of the
>work. In the case of the AEthyrs themselves, the only way I have found
>to dispel them is to move on to another.
Agreed. That's what I mentioned as the "cumulative effect" of
invocations --- or rather, why there is such a strong cumulative
effect.
Josh
aik...@my-deja.com
br...@one.DeleteThis.net (Josh Norton) wrote:
>
> Agreed. That's what I mentioned as the "cumulative effect" of
> invocations --- or rather, why there is such a strong cumulative
> effect.
>
> Josh
>
Another way of looking at it is having a basis that doesn't completely
span your abstract space.
nguyen
saty...@my-deja.com
In article <3J4S4.7323$0L4.5...@nntp3.onemain.com>,
"Tom Schuler" <d...@teleport.com> wrote:
>
> <saty...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8f97e2
$5lk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > I can only add that in my experience, some of the
> > entities/forces/spaces of Enochian Magick do not appear to be
> > susceptible to traditional banishing methods.
>
> Interesting. I hadn't noticed that. Maybe it's the context in which
you
> invoked and banished them that yielded that result. When I close
down a
> magical operation, I equilibrate everything. No matter what I call
up, I
> match it with its dynamic opposite. Maybe you approach banishing as
some
> sort of standardized ritual cleansing, the smae for every force you
call up.
> This may result in some conjured forces not being susceptible to the
> cleansing routine.
Yes, I'm sure I've been guilty of perfunctory banishing, though I
haven't made a habit of it.
Within the context of the Keys pertaining to the Watchtowers,
equilibrium may be achieved/maintained by using them in a progressive
cycle: Air, Water, Earth, Fire (Keys 3, 4, 5, and 6, respectively).
This may be done either in a single operation (as in "Setting-Up
Watchtowers"), or distributed over several days. In either case,
one does not stop until reaching the end of the cycle. However this
applies more to systematic exploration of the forces involved. I
suppose if Fire (for instance), were what one needed/desired, then
balance would not necessarily be desirable.
The remaining elemental Keys (the 7th through 18th), are rather more
problematic using this approach. Fire of Water would seem to balance
Water of Fire, but somehow, at least to my mind, the two would not
necessarily combine to create a statically equilibrated whole. So,
again, to achieve the dynamic equilibrium you suggest one should slog
through the entire twelve sub-quadrants before resting.
I have found that the inherent structure of the Enochian system appears
to be more important than the symbols that were later attributed to its
various elements. Understanding and respecting that structure is
essential to safe experimentation.
If one relies, as you suggest, upon matching each entity evoked with
its dynamic opposite, there are a lot of things you simply can't do
safely in Enochian. Like, what is the opposite of Paraoan? What is
the opposite of the 3rd Governor of the 22nd AEthyr? As Josh has
pointed out, these can be pretty fuzzy things, and rather difficult to
pin-down so precisely.
> > In the case of the AEthyrs themselves, the only way I have found
> > to dispel them is to move on to another.
>
> This makes sense. Every state of consciousness is banished by the
next
> state you acquire.
>
Possibly, but 'banish' isn't quite the correct term. AEthyr's are more
like spaces. If I banish entity A from the locus of my existence,
success may be defined as entity A departing from said locus forthwith
and post haste. But if I were banishing the locus itself, I would
rather think that as the result of a successful banishing I would be
the one departing. Were the locus contiguous with my current
residence, then a banishing might not be desirable.
Satyr
93 93/93
Jessica Brown
> Isn't that then a survival trait? The environment favours beutiful bodies,
> not astounding minds?
>
Were all men robins, it would be their red breast and voice that
would attract a mate. The robin who somehow was denied anything visually
interesting when looks were being passed out will pretty much have no
chance of ever landing a babe. (Come to think of it, for being different,
he'd probably get picked on a lot and wouldn't live long) Anyways, birds
are birds. They don't sit around discussing philosophy, theology,
politics, who their heroes were, yaddyadda. Humans have the advantage of
being able to attract a mate by showing off their mind, morals, skills,
etc. I know that in the next part you disagree with me on that point, but
really, it's not true for everyone that if they aren't a GQ model or a
Marilyn Monroe look-alike that they can't have a romantic relationship
with someone. My dad did, my friends do, the people that I work with have
and do.
> However I do beg to disagree. My fairly wide experience of life, sex and
> women leads me to believe that whilst they always like to fuck the smart
> 'interesting' guys, they marry the bank manager - if they are good looking
> enough. So they get the best genes, and the most stable nests.
Seems to me that it's the smart, 'interesting' guys who never want
to have any type of committed relationship or who have amazing ideas about
a lot of things and would make excellent friends or a great lover, but who
may not have the qualities that would keep me or allow me to fall in love
with him. It's not that there's something wrong with the guys, it's just
that between me and them, the combination of attributes doesn't make us
compatible in a long-term way. Maybe this is what you've run into. There
probably isn't anything wrong with you or these ladies.
Unless of course you ended up only meeting very shallow ladies,
(in which case, I'd offer my condolences).
> Speaking as the smart interesting guy who never got married.
My friend Devon! Oh sorry, go on...
> > As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends) won't
> > be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary trends.
> > The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite beer
> > commercial.
Depends. Different corners of the earth define "beauty"
differently and also have different rules concerning weddings and mating.
The human of the future of North America, Europe, and white-populated
African countries is what I think you were talking about.
Caw, Jessie Brown (T. WhiteCrow)
http://homepages.go.com/~neon101/Reflectn.htm
http://homepages.go.com/~taliszasgraphics/mystuff/0MyIndex.html
~Man's horizons are bounded by his vision.
Leo Smith
Jessica Brown wrote:
> Unless of course you ended up only meeting very shallow ladies,
> (in which case, I'd offer my condolences).
I latterly consider that to be mainly the case, as more interesting ones turn up
now I have the energy to look for 'em.
Mind you when I related my tale of woe to one extremely attractive lady, who
turned out to be a complete asshole - namely that I was the guy they always had
a mad passionate affair with before marrying someone else, she said 'That good
huh?' and looked interested...
Makes you wonder if half the women in the world ever get any fun with their
husbands don't it?
Jessica Brown
> Jessica Brown wrote:
>
> > Unless of course you ended up only meeting very shallow ladies,
> > (in which case, I'd offer my condolences).
>
> I latterly consider that to be mainly the case, as more interesting ones turn up
> now I have the energy to look for 'em.
Good for you!
> Mind you when I related my tale of woe to one extremely attractive lady, who
> turned out to be a complete asshole - namely that I was the guy they always had
> a mad passionate affair with before marrying someone else, she said 'That good
> huh?' and looked interested...
There are some women who conclude that all men are no good, but
you don't hear the same women admit that there are very jerky ladies
around, too. Women can be sneaky, just as men can be.
> Makes you wonder if half the women in the world ever get any fun with their
> husbands don't it?
Yup.
Caw, Jessie Brown (T. WhiteCrow)
http://homepages.go.com/~neon101/Reflectn.htm
http://homepages.go.com/~taliszasgraphics/mystuff/0MyIndex.html
~ If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk!
~ When the speaker and he to whom he is speaks do not understand, that is
metaphysics.
-- Voltaire
~ May you have warm words on a cold evening,
a full mooon on a dark night,
and a smooth road all the way to your door.
Martin Swain
"Joe Cosby" <joec...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Tom Schuler <d...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:LP4S4.4898$eA.5...@nntp2.onemain.com...
> >
> > "Martin Swain" <ours...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8f9evb$eth$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > >
> > > what *will* people (homo sapiens) look like in 250 000 a.?
> > >
> > > check out any kind of anthropology chart that compares Neanderthal
> > > man to Modern man with the intermediete steps. then extrapolate.
> > > that's what the person who initially created that image did.
> >
> > Well, any projections based on past trends fails to take into
> account the
> > ability we've gained to meddle with our genetic blueprint.
> >
> > By 250,000 c.e., we could be mile-long giants with hyperdrives for
> spines.
> >
> > Read Arthur C. Clarke's wonderful short story "Day Million", for
> other ideas
> > on this.
> >
>
> country in the world where the average life expectancy falls short of
> the peak child-bearing years.
heh.
> We are, however, practicing genetic selection. The sexually
> attractive traits themselves are now our genetic determinants.
> Survival traits don't figure.
lot of debate about that.
> As I see it, the human of the future (based on current trends) won't
> be some 'super-evolved' extrapolation of past evolutionary trends.
> The human of th future will be the extrapolation of a lite beer
> commercial.
thank god! wouldn't you rather your great...great granddaughter
be sex-goddess than one of those icky grey aliens? i mean really,
who says a bigger brain is what evolution wants? i personally can
think of other appendages that could get bigger ...
> Think about it.
no, i'll go blind.
> --
> Joe Cosby
>
> Here at Microsoft, drive head contention is more than just our promise
> to you.
>
> It's a way of life.
>
> http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
>
>
kyle.s...@gmail.com
> Hello,
>
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
>
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
> advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
> be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
>
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Menshak.
>
>
1. It has been my experience that regardless of the nature of an enochian entity, its powers will manifest in whatever symbolic representation most closely fits any aspect of its nature, no matter how tangential. This belief was validated in an article on skrying with enochian by Benjamin Rowe, a master magician. This creates a problem when an inexperienced magician invokes an entity into an envirnoment of unstable or imbalanced thoughtforms. Unless the magician has done the preliminary work of balancing their elemental constitution, there may be hidden monsters lurking in the recesses of their own mind. For example, a capricorn may still harbor hidden distrust of anything not concrete, and then that could unintentionally manifest itself through the thaumatergic magic process as phenomenon that would re-enforce the belief that "not literal=not trustworthy." Of course, having validated their hidden fear with "reality", create an active block to dissuade further work. This is what I see in all of the anecdotal accounts of physical "hauntings" or phenomenon. In my own work, early in my preliminary phase, I had a notable fear of both earth energy and enochian. One night during my daily ritual, the northern watchtower tablet pitched itself into my candle flame. I can't even begin to describe the maelstrom of fear based thoughtforms that all sought to scare the living bejesus out of me. It took a herculean effort of "faith" to trust the system, and push through the fear that eventually got me past that point and into substantial experience.
2. The very nature of enochian, or at least what is expressed to us at our level of development is of an evolutionary energy. Given that the fundamentals of hermetic philosophy dictate that the path of evolution will eventually lead to the reunion of all dualities, it is natural to assume that that effect can be felt even minutely in all enochian operations. It has been the experience of a number of master magician's that the calls seem to enflame all aspects of the persona related to the energy of the call, even the deeply hidden ones of which you might not be aware. The danger lies in this. It is possible that the calls may activate, then seek to integrate very actively repressed emotional blocks. This has the potential to knock an otherwise "normal" person severely off balance. Imagine for a moment that you have harbored a deep fear of poverty during the course of your life, and that you experience this fear as fervent desire to be successful at any cost. Suddenly realizing that the one of the pillars of your ego construct, determination, is actually fear masquerading as something respectable could leave you devastated. Or that a deep commitment to planning things out until every detail is understood, could more truly be procrastination serving the fear of success. In these examples, the emotional block is a rather easy one to assimilate. However, let us imagine what might happen if childhood sexual abuse lies at the heart of a block. In this light, it is possible to see how some have ended up in needing psychological treatment following enochian work.
3. Please excuse the phasing of the next sentence, but I think it captures the feeling. Some enochian angels can be assholes. While not universal, it has been my experience and that of others that some enochian angels are generally antagonistic. In one particular dealing with a servient angel, I was cutoff before I had finished my question with "That's a perfectly stupid question, and your far from perfect so good job." In response, I centered myself and apologized, and rephrased the question. To which the angel responded, "You already know that, don't waste my time." To put things into context, a large part of my natal chart is representing the energy of scorpio. I was not far from being willing to risk eternal perdition to put an astral boot up this angel's ass, however before responding again I consulted my HGA. I was thus informed that the inherent volatility of scorpio was being incorrectly viewed as instability by the angel who could feel my rapidly rising pulse. That what I should do is to use the legendary focus of scorpio to send a concentrated thought-ray of the situation to the angel in order to get back to cordial. That worked. The point being, what if I had not done work prior to my enochian experiments to maintain equilibrium in the face of my MASSIVE emotional responses? Postcards from "hell" ring a bell.
In conclusion, in each of the examples, the problems arise when an unprepared psyche gives the reign's of a very potent power to an aspect of conciousness that is neither known or controlled. From causing your own haunting, to having a nervous breakdown when you burn popcorn, to lacking emotive controls in difficult situations, each situation re-enforces that the dangers of enochian are a product of an incomplete alchemical process, not of evil in the system. A good analogy is this. Water poured through fine ground coffee beans yields an amazing beverage. Water poured through a refuse field produces foul pollution. In each instance the source is the same, the difference is the medium through which it is expressed. It is my sincere hope that this helped to answer any question you may have had.
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
jkr@ntplx dot net wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2000 20:03:22 GMT, Dread and Puissant Champion of the
> Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> i "saw" only one enochian spirit in my life (dabbling with the 30th
> aethyr), and it looked and seemed just like the "greys" or aliens that
> you hear about on tv. im surprised more conspiracy alien types havent
> fucked around with this system, not that they should...
>
>
Back when I was a child and my mother was seeking the "true" Christian
church, I was forced to attend whatever church had caught her fancy at
the time. Once when we were attending an apostolic church they were
trying to pray the holy ghost into us. The idiots were shaking my arms
and screaming into my face that I was evil and possessed by demons
mostly because even then I could out quote them scripturally. I had
momentary visions of the classic greys except that they were colored
like foggy pepto-bismol pink. Other than the color they were the same
right down to thier huge buggy eyes. Looking back it is both pathetic
and funny, but back then it was terrifying and humiliating. The image
however, seems to be some type of archetype.
--
Jerry Adams
AKA: Praxis
paul...@my-deja.com
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
Anecdotes by those who've used Enochian are replete with things like...
- space heaters catching fire or causing fires (when working with the
Fire Tablet).
- water pipes bursting, or water heaters leaking, etc. when working
water.
etc. etc.
My impression is that some magical systems map more closely to the
level of the Universe their symbols represent than others. Enochian is
one of these...it isn't that "stuff happens" when you read a text or
even speak a call without intention, but that it takes less magical
juice to achieve an effect when you DO wo it with intent.
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
> advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions
must
> be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
Treat it seriously (as any magical system).
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
OTO does not have a formal Enochian system, though many members of the
Order practice Enochian in some form or other.
Dee vs. Golden Dawn...boy howdy is there a difference. I am not a
scholar in this regard, but it's a hot topic. There is an Enochian
magick elist on hollyfeld.org that can answer this particular issue (in
sometimes excruciating detail (g)).
I have used the Enochian system as presented in the Golden Dawn (much
of which was Mathers' work, and which excites very negative reactions
from Dee purists) as well as the system in the Denning and
Phillips/Aurum Solis system. Both produced very useful results (and
rarely blew up my water heater).
Paul
Rev. pH33r c0w
Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>1. The system seems to be especially potent at least in the opinions
>of several published well known authors (including Regardie, Crowley
>and others), one should always use extra care around something more
>powerful than they are used to dealing with. Also, the nature of the
>spirits evoked in the system are different in many ways from other
>systems.
b1bhtt48
> Hello,
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
Any magick practice can be dangerous.
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
> advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
> be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
Very good questions to ask. I wish I could help you.
Risks are minimized by doing what you are presently doing.
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
I think you will find the answer to this is yes. I am not knowledgible enough to
qualify this assumption however.
> Thanks and best regards,
> Menshak.
Good post.
--
Shawn Roske
sroske(at)sympatico(dot)ca
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
b1bhtt48 <sir...@icqmail.com> wrote:
> men...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> > magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> > practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> > dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> > spiritual or otherwise ?
>
when dealing with Enochean magick.
1. The system seems to be especially potent at least in the opinions
of several published well known authors (including Regardie, Crowley
and others), one should always use extra care around something more
powerful than they are used to dealing with. Also, the nature of the
spirits evoked in the system are different in many ways from other
systems.
2. According to many authors it is best not to mix magick systems (at
least at first.) Note: that virtually all who thus admonish actually
belong to groups that do so anyway.
3. Additionally, one author (Don Tyson) seems to think that Enochean
was a trap transmitted to Dee to bring about the apocolypse of
revelation. He builds a rather persuasive but in the end inconclusive
argument.
--
Jerry Adams
AKA: Praxis
men...@my-deja.com
I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
spiritual or otherwise ?
For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
Thanks and best regards,
Menshak.
Senior
people dont use the Tables in their correct positions. Also, the other
apparent error in their use is that people have put the elemental
association above the angels, and dont appear to really be using the
angels. The angels of each tablet have the ability to govern a
specific element (fire, earth, air, water, and spirit) but
the element is not the main purpose of the system. When a person uses
his/her will to evoke/invoke an element, and then incorporates an
angelic power to do it, is bound to get mixed up with dangerous
powers. When they call up an enochian King, they arent really paying
attention to the King, nor to his purpose, but to specified attributes
placed on that King by previous magicians. Like the stories of people
that have become sexually confused after contacting a "female" angel.
What is apparent is that these magicians are actually contacting
Archtypes through the use of the system. the system was never set up
for that. hence, dangerous.
You must first find the true placement of the tablets, the true
lettering of the tables, and the correct usage of the system. Above
all, pay your respect to all the angels that you intend to work with,
and to God that is their and your creator.
In article <8es2c8$181$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Tom Schuler
<men...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8es2c8$181$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
Yes, you are in danger of learning something. It's remarkable how
threatening that is to many people.
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it,
> what advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what
> precautions must be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be
> expected.
You should be cautious about taking everything you experience at face value.
The risk of falling into delusion is minimized this way.
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
Yes. They are all interpreted according to the predisposition of the
particular operators. So it will be with you, too.
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
> >The image however, seems to be some type of archetype.
>
> Greyface?
I'm not up on pop culture. I'm afraid your reference has eluded me.
Hazarding a guess; perhaps a comic book character? Barring that perhaps
a (appropriate) shamanistic reference?
At the time I hadn't been exposed to the UFO lore yet this image is
identical to the "grey" space aliens that are popular in the UFO
contactee subculture. The context in which it appeared was not the
normal context in which it is normally encountered. And apparently,
others have seen this image outside the UFO/abductee context. Also it
seems to me the types of similar images evolve as our culture does.
In times past, such encounters were with demons or elves or a more
typical creatures. Thus I postulated that it may be archetypical in the
Jungian sense.
> --
> Fuzzypeg
--
Jerry Adams
AKA: Praxis
Wandering Idiot
paul...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> > magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> > practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> > dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> > spiritual or otherwise ?
>
> Anecdotes by those who've used Enochian are replete with things like...
>
> - space heaters catching fire or causing fires (when working with the
> Fire Tablet).
Or when using cheap, crappy space heaters. Those darn tip-over switched
can stick sometimes...
> - water pipes bursting, or water heaters leaking, etc. when working
> water.
Especially in the winter, when this stuff happens anyway...
Senior
cause change to a physical object?
Or do you know something about these situations that we do not?
In article <3912F433...@mason.gmu.edu>,
Wandering Idiot <wmoo...@mason.gmu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> paul...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > - space heaters catching fire or causing fires (when working with
the
> > Fire Tablet).
>
> Or when using cheap, crappy space heaters. Those darn tip-over
switched
> can stick sometimes...
>
> > - water pipes bursting, or water heaters leaking, etc. when working
> > water.
>
> Especially in the winter, when this stuff happens anyway...
>
>
Rev. pH33r c0w
Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <3911e1b...@news.ntplx.net>,
> jkr@ntplx dot net wrote:
>Back when I was a child and my mother was seeking the "true" Christian
>church, I was forced to attend whatever church had caught her fancy at
>the time. Once when we were attending an apostolic church they were
>trying to pray the holy ghost into us. The idiots were shaking my arms
>and screaming into my face that I was evil and possessed by demons
>mostly because even then I could out quote them scripturally. I had
>momentary visions of the classic greys except that they were colored
>like foggy pepto-bismol pink. Other than the color they were the same
>right down to thier huge buggy eyes. Looking back it is both pathetic
>and funny, but back then it was terrifying and humiliating. The image
>however, seems to be some type of archetype.
mine was pink too. nice.
richard sprigg
>
> Hello,
>
> I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
> magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
> practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
> dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
> spiritual or otherwise ?
Any magickal practice has inherent risk, typically of obsession and
delusion. Whether this inherent in the practice, or due to the large
quantity of nutbars that are attracted is a matter for conjecture.
>
> For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
> advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
> be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
Prepare properly.
Perform the calls with focus and intent.
Do not rush the process.
Keep a journal.
>
> Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
> practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
The GD and Trad. systems are different.
Pick one and work with it.
If you are used to goetic workings, you will likely find Enochian
working has a different flavour altogether.
It is interesting.
Wandering Idiot
Odysseus wrote:
> In article <8etnd7$t8l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <9574894...@news.win.co.nz>,
> > "Fuzzypeg" <fuzz...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >The image however, seems to be some type of archetype.
> > >
> > > Greyface?
> >
> > I'm not up on pop culture. I'm afraid your reference has eluded me.
> > Hazarding a guess; perhaps a comic book character? Barring that perhaps
> > a (appropriate) shamanistic reference?
> >
>
> Probably both. In Discordianism "Greyface" is the personification of all that
> is anti-Erisian, particularly authority figures like the "Knights of the
> Five-Sided Castle". See __Principia Discordia_, or how I found Goddess and
> what I did with Her when I found Her_ (or something like that -- I’m not sure
> of the subtitle).
>
> Kallistei!
>
> __________
> --Odysseus
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
jkr@ntplx dot net wrote:
> mine was pink too. nice.
>
Damned pesky modern archetypes. Maybe they moonlight as interior
designers or do endorsements for the antacid industry when they get a
break from giving nuerotic trailer park dwellers free proctological
exams or mutilating farm animals.
--
Jerry Adams
AKA: Praxis
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey
"Alex Sumner" <alex_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Would this be the same Donald Tyson who tried to link Enochian Magic
with
> the Cthulhu Mythos, given that in HP Lovecraft's fictional world it
was John
> Dee who translated the Necronomicon into English ???!!!
>
> AS
>
Uuuuhhh, ...Huhhh, huh... I dunno.
Odysseus
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <9574894...@news.win.co.nz>,
> "Fuzzypeg" <fuzz...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> > >The image however, seems to be some type of archetype.
> >
> > Greyface?
>
> I'm not up on pop culture. I'm afraid your reference has eluded me.
> Hazarding a guess; perhaps a comic book character? Barring that perhaps
> a (appropriate) shamanistic reference?
>
Probably both. In Discordianism "Greyface" is the personification of all that
is anti-Erisian, particularly authority figures like the "Knights of the
Five-Sided Castle". See __Principia Discordia_, or how I found Goddess and
what I did with Her when I found Her_ (or something like that -- I’m not sure
of the subtitle).
Kallistei!
__________
--Odysseus
Fuzzypeg
Greyface?
--
Fuzzypeg
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2763
Dread and Puissant Champion of the Fey wrote in message
<8ess0a$vr7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <3911e1b...@news.ntplx.net>,
> jkr@ntplx dot net wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 May 2000 20:03:22 GMT, Dread and Puissant Champion of the
>> Fey <aka_p...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> i "saw" only one enochian spirit in my life (dabbling with the 30th
>> aethyr), and it looked and seemed just like the "greys" or aliens that
>> you hear about on tv. im surprised more conspiracy alien types havent
>> fucked around with this system, not that they should...
>>
>>
>Back when I was a child and my mother was seeking the "true" Christian
>church, I was forced to attend whatever church had caught her fancy at
>the time. Once when we were attending an apostolic church they were
>trying to pray the holy ghost into us. The idiots were shaking my arms
>and screaming into my face that I was evil and possessed by demons
>mostly because even then I could out quote them scripturally. I had
>momentary visions of the classic greys except that they were colored
>like foggy pepto-bismol pink. Other than the color they were the same
>right down to thier huge buggy eyes. Looking back it is both pathetic
>and funny, but back then it was terrifying and humiliating. The image
>however, seems to be some type of archetype.
>--
>Jerry Adams
>AKA: Praxis
>
>
Fuzzypeg
he ended up living in his room, drawing wierd pictures and enochian script
all over his walls, and was completely incapable of interacting meaningfully
with other people. I believe he has since been committed.
But then, you can build a tower of babel with any magical system. Remember
to keep yourself in touch with the ground.
--
Fuzzypeg
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2763
men...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8es2c8$181$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Hello,
>
>I have read that the Enochian system is a "controversial" branch of
>magick since it is associated with dangers that might put the
>practitioner at risk. My question: is Enochian Magick really
>dangerous? what types of dangers are involved ( mental, physical,
>spiritual or otherwise ?
>
>For those who have gone through the system and practiced it, what
>advice would you give to somebody just beginning, what precautions must
>be taken, and what kinds of risks are to be expected.
>
>Lastly, is there a difference between the types of Enochian systems
>practiced by Dee, the Golden Dawn, or the OTO.
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>
>Menshak.
>
>
Alex Sumner
> 3. Additionally, one author (Don Tyson) seems to think that Enochean
> was a trap transmitted to Dee to bring about the apocolypse of
> revelation. He builds a rather persuasive but in the end inconclusive
> argument.
Would this be the same Donald Tyson who tried to link Enochian Magic with