The nerve!
xithix
of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
Joe Cosby
feverishly;
thunder crashed, "xithix" <nor...@noreply.com> laughed madly, then
wrote:
>So, what's standard protocol for someone calling you insane and all
>of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
>
>
My standard protocol is to never talk about it with people in the
first place.
I don't talk quantum physics with many people either. Neither do I
try to explain metaphysics to pigs.
It's a waste of my time, and only tends to annoy the pigs.
--
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xithix
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(snippety snip)
>
> I don't talk quantum physics with many people either. Neither do I
> try to explain metaphysics to pigs.
>
> It's a waste of my time, and only tends to annoy the pigs.
>
That reminds me of a plaque I saw once at my grandfather's house:
"Never teach a pig to dance,
Its wastes your time and annoys the pig."
The Heretic Heathen
>So, what's standard protocol for someone calling you insane and all
>of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
Tell em they are right!
Or you could say "You want me to show you something?" and if they say "Okay"
then say "I'll give it a shot" and then go and give it a shot. And if nothing
happens after so many different tries, etc. Than at least you know they were
being honest.
Hope that helps!
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wrote:
>So, what's standard protocol for someone calling you insane and all
>of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
If they're equating the art to some esoteric religion, then just make
religious analogies of anything repetitive they do and express the
parallels.
"that's a nice religion your spouting, but keep your beliefs to
yourself."
"you chanted that mantra before, if that god hasn't helped you yet
it's time for a different prayer"
"go evoke your demons elsewhere"
Let them give you a good reason to do your homework.
Though if you are overtly spouting "magic/k" as a religion, then shut
up and hope that you recognize your opinions and viewpoints for what
they are.
--
There is no dreamer reenacting the discovery of the first cause of reality but man.
If you notice yourself speaking; shut up, and let God can speak through you.
If you notice yourself thinking; listen, and let God give you ideas.
If you notice yourself moving; relax, and let God move through you.
If you notice yourself in pain; embrace it, and show God where to touch you.
If you notice yourself angry; accept; to let God find what is best for another.
If you notice yourself in lust; acknowledge God; to reinforce His Love of sacrifice.
There is no man but a referential field of coherency over-saturated with waves of subquantum incoherency.
Chief Adept
>So, what's standard protocol for someone calling you insane and all
>of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
>
>
Small minded!
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Toby
I think the standard protocol is to say: "yes.." ;-)
In some sorts he's probably correct and in others he's wrong. Hmm, let me
guess. Confused? :-) I'll try to explain my point. In his plane of
existence, your beliefs are totally wrong, and because they are to him
illogical, you are to him insane. But then again, in your plane of
existence, you are ofcourse right, and he is wrong. The interesting point
here, which I also assume a lot of people will disagree with me on, is that
you can never prove your point to him. You can never prove to him that
magick exists. Why? Because you have no ability to reach into his plane of
existence(well, very little chance).
So, what do you do? Absolutely nothing.
Hy
said that the fist 4 cards (after the significator) can be attributed to
the 4 elements.. therefore the 4 words..
my question is - do you attribute the cards to the 4 worlds in order
that they are presented (air, fire, water, earth).. or in the order of
the elements attributed to the divine worlds through the Tetragramaton.
(YHVH..Fire, water, air, earth?)
This is very interesting to me.. as I have not heard of them being
attributed to the 4 worlds before in this way.. what about life, death,
birth and resurrection?
I am asking, because of a dream that I had on a similar subject - and
would like some sort of affirmation regarding the 4 worlds and the
tarot.
Can you then attribute the 4 Arch Angels of the quadrants to the 4
worlds?
xithix
I just
like to save a trump card.
What I don't understand, is that almost everybody took it from a "you're
trying
to convert them" point of view, while I simply meant: what would be a
sutiable punishment?
hehe
Toby <bompi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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mika
> In his plane of
> existence, your beliefs are totally wrong, and because they are to him
> illogical, you are to him insane. But then again, in your plane of
> existence, you are ofcourse right, and he is wrong. The interesting point
> here, which I also assume a lot of people will disagree with me on, is that
> you can never prove your point to him.
why would people disagree? (people who practice magick, that is). this is one of
the basic concepts that a person needs to grasp to study and practice magick. it
is part of why "belief is error". the magician should be aware that any belief
system is subjective and cannot necessarily be proved to others, but also cannot
necessarily be proved to oneself. along the same lines, the magician should be
able to let go of or alter the chosen belief system at will. belief is
arbitrary.
mika
mika
> I am asking, because of a dream that I had on a similar subject - and
> would like some sort of affirmation regarding the 4 worlds and the
> tarot.
don't know about the video or spread you're talking about, but...
I highly recommend the book "Qabalistic Tarot" by Robert(?) Wang, if you're
interested in, well, qabala and tarot. it's a great book for many reasons, I
won't ramble on its praises, just check it out.
mika
Hy
Ok. thanks Mika..
Hy
Oh.. and I watched the video on the net - from the chief adepts web
pages (web address from his post)..it is about 5-10 minutes long.
David Cantu
"Hy" <hybi...@home.com> wrote in message news:3AE09691...@home.com...
It is a good book, still in print
Here it is at Amazon but the link might be too long. Try it anyway.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0877286728/qid=987803379/sr=1-1/ref=s
c_b_2/107-3342455-6683727
mika
ack! hY or anyone else, please try and support your local bookstore, or any
different online bookstore, instead of buying from amazon.
thank you.
m
Hy
> ack! hY or anyone else, please try and support your local bookstore, or any
> different online bookstore, instead of buying from amazon.
> thank you.
> m
:) no worries.. I have never bought a thing online..
David Cantu
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Ok, so I walk into my local Occult store, Oh wait here it is online:
http://www.magickcauldron.com/index2.htm really.
Anyway, I walk in and there are two of the girls going on about what animal
each one is.
And the cute one says "rrrrrroow" and scratches the air with her "paw" and
says "guess."
And then she turns and sees 'Mr. Black Magician' at the door and all the
smiles go sour and I'm like Sheesh!
"Just give me that book on Necromancy I ordered and I'm outa here. I know
yooz guyz wanna kill some chickens."
Untrue story, I swear!!! Ya gotta not believe me!!!!
All kidding aside, I have given Paul a lot of my money, but ordering from
him is a nightmare and you are lucky to ever see it. If I walk in and see
what I want that is one thing, but if not I will do it with a click.
Wedjat Eye
Laughter!
*Wedjat
Hy
Ok.. well that is hopefully a very limited experience.. and not the norm
for most people.. Too bad you are treated that way though.. Evil
bastards..!
jos...@pacbell.net
accurate as calling the jesus freak insane in its belief in a personal
saviour, though faith can move mountains it is inherantly irrational.
joseph
Im.on.the.laptop Chief Adept
>I was watching your video on the circle spread tarot reading.. and you
>said that the fist 4 cards (after the significator) can be attributed to
>the 4 elements.. therefore the 4 words..
>
>my question is - do you attribute the cards to the 4 worlds in order
>that they are presented (air, fire, water, earth).. or in the order of
>the elements attributed to the divine worlds through the Tetragramaton.
>(YHVH..Fire, water, air, earth?)
>
left in the beginning of the reading.
The first four cards around the significator represent the Microcosmic
influences around the particular question or subject at the time of the
reading. Air is on top, Fire is on the right side, Water is on the bottom and
Earth is on the left side.
The next four cards represent the Macrocosmic or external influences around
the subject or question.
>This is very interesting to me.. as I have not heard of them being
>attributed to the 4 worlds before in this way.. what about life, death,
>birth and resurrection?
The closest thing to life and death would be your outcome cards. This reading
is best suited for a spiritual divination. This reading was originally
designed as a divination before a ritual working. But, as you can see, has a
great many potential applications.
>
>I am asking, because of a dream that I had on a similar subject - and
>would like some sort of affirmation regarding the 4 worlds and the
>tarot.
>
>Can you then attribute the 4 Arch Angels of the quadrants to the 4
>worlds?
Yes, you can. If you want, you can further define the reading by laying out
four cards around each card in the reading . Take the top card just above the
significator. You can lay out four more cards from the major acarna in the
same clockwise order starting at the top; Air, Fire, Water and Earth. You can
do this for any card in the reading.
Chief Adept
www.initiations.org
Hy
>
> In article <3ADF75EE...@home.com>, Hy <hybi...@home.com> wrote:
> >I was watching your video on the circle spread tarot reading.. and you
> >said that the fist 4 cards (after the significator) can be attributed to
> >the 4 elements.. therefore the 4 words..
> >
> >my question is - do you attribute the cards to the 4 worlds in order
> >that they are presented (air, fire, water, earth).. or in the order of
> >the elements attributed to the divine worlds through the Tetragramaton.
> >(YHVH..Fire, water, air, earth?)
> >
> The Divine worlds of YHVH are expressed when you cut the cards from right to
> left in the beginning of the reading.
Yes.. I saw you do that twice before distributing the cards.
> The first four cards around the significator represent the Microcosmic
> influences around the particular question or subject at the time of the
> reading. Air is on top, Fire is on the right side, Water is on the bottom and
> Earth is on the left side.
Yes..ok.. I got that.. what I mean is..YHVH' is usually Fire (Y) Water
(H) Air (V) Earth (H')..right..but in the spread it is...Air, Fire,
Water, Earth..oh ohhhhhh..sort of like the LBRP..compared to..I was
going to say BRH..but that's not right either.. so the spread is laid
out like the LBRP (Air, Fire, Water, Earth) instead of like YHVH (Fire,
Water, Air, Earth)...
> The next four cards represent the Macrocosmic or external influences around
> the subject or question.
Yes.. got that too...
> >This is very interesting to me.. as I have not heard of them being
> >attributed to the 4 worlds before in this way.. what about life, death,
> >birth and resurrection?
>
> The closest thing to life and death would be your outcome cards. This reading
> is best suited for a spiritual divination. This reading was originally
> designed as a divination before a ritual working. But, as you can see, has a
> great many potential applications.
I think it goes deeper then that.. It has to, or at least in my mind it
does. I will have to do some research on this then.
> >I am asking, because of a dream that I had on a similar subject - and
> >would like some sort of affirmation regarding the 4 worlds and the
> >tarot.
> >
> >Can you then attribute the 4 Arch Angels of the quadrants to the 4
> >worlds?
> Yes, you can. If you want, you can further define the reading by laying out
> four cards around each card in the reading . Take the top card just above the
> significator. You can lay out four more cards from the major acarna in the
> same clockwise order starting at the top; Air, Fire, Water and Earth. You can
> do this for any card in the reading.
ok..thanks.
David Cantu
"Wedjat Eye" <Wedj...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Maniacal Laughter
The incredible Sulk
xithix wrote:
>
> So, what's standard protocol for someone calling you insane and all
> of your magic(k)al beliefs bullshit?
There is no standard
--
Great Sayings of the past:
"He who sh*ts in the road will meet flies on his return" (Mr Natural)
"De Heffalumpis semper disputandum est" (Winne Ille Pu)
jos...@pacbell.net
oh i dont know i can think of a couple of standards from my time with
the jesuits and the u.s.m.c. most notably the old stand by "DO AS I SAY
RIGHT NOW!!!!"or more simply put "OBEY!"
veritus baccculum est.
joe
p.s. in the imortal words of 7 of 9, "Truth" is irrelevant.
Tracy Miller
Tracy Miller
mika
> Why what's wrong with amazon
for starters, they treat their employees very badly. at least, the 'grunt'
employees that are down low on the chain of command (who do much of the work,
the real physical work, and also some computer geeks too). here in seattle, I
have heard enough stories to make me gag. bad practices under the guise of a
"friendly, hip e-store"
other reasons get into personal preference regarding supporting huge corporate
bookstores instead of supporting your local shops or even smaller online shops.
mika
PStuart
>other reasons get into personal preference regarding supporting huge
>corporate
>bookstores instead of supporting your local shops or even smaller online
>shops.
Consider this as well... They demand such a deep discount from distributors
that publishers and authors make very, very little from a sale. If you like
your favorite author, encourage hir to write more by buying your books from a
local source.
93 93/93
Phil
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Greg Wotton
Well they are currently considered one of the basic Evils of the IT industry
with their copyright of "One Click Technology" which is basically dropping a
cookie on your system with your information on it. By the same basis, I
could go out and copyright HTML tags...
--
Sub Umbra Alarum Tuarum Dei.
Greg Wotton
"Veni, Vidi, Astrum Mortis Construxi."
- Emperor Palpatine
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Joe Cosby
I don't know the video you're talking about ... personally, I feel
like the most important thing is the resonance of the layout with you.
Which of the attribution sequences feels most right to you?
It is important to be consistent, IMO, and clear in what a given
layout means to you.
My layouts vary sometimes. Different questions seem to demand
different lenses. Most often I use a fairly simple spread,
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with
a period. Every crime ends with a sentence.
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Hy
>
> Hy <hybi...@home.com> hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> thunder crashed, Hy <hybi...@home.com> laughed madly, then wrote:
>
> >I was watching your video on the circle spread tarot reading.. and you
> >said that the fist 4 cards (after the significator) can be attributed to
> >the 4 elements.. therefore the 4 words..
> >
> >my question is - do you attribute the cards to the 4 worlds in order
> >that they are presented (air, fire, water, earth).. or in the order of
> >the elements attributed to the divine worlds through the Tetragramaton.
> >(YHVH..Fire, water, air, earth?)
> >
> >This is very interesting to me.. as I have not heard of them being
> >attributed to the 4 worlds before in this way.. what about life, death,
> >birth and resurrection?
> >
> >I am asking, because of a dream that I had on a similar subject - and
> >would like some sort of affirmation regarding the 4 worlds and the
> >tarot.
> >
> >Can you then attribute the 4 Arch Angels of the quadrants to the 4
> >worlds?
Thanks for writing.
> I don't know the video you're talking about ... personally, I feel
> like the most important thing is the resonance of the layout with you.
If you go to Chief Adepts posts, he has a link to his own web pages. I
followed the link to his videos and watched the tarot video (it is
short).
> Which of the attribution sequences feels most right to you?
I do not feel that "Chief Adept" gave answers to what I was trying to
ask. I am curious to know what is standard practice.. what feels right
to me?
I am not sure which is which.. I would like to say that water would be
birth.. air, life, earth.. death.. fire resurrection? But it makes no
sense because it would be out of order..
As for the Angels.. I would attribute them to the same quadrants that
they come in the LBRP...
> It is important to be consistent, IMO, and clear in what a given
> layout means to you.
yes, I agree.. I know that there is one question with my layout that I
never remember to ask.. but I wonder about when ever I come across it in
my own spread..If you are doing a tarot spread for yourself regarding
someone else.. is the significator card you or them?
> My layouts vary sometimes. Different questions seem to demand
> different lenses. Most often I use a fairly simple spread,
That makes sense.. do you use the spread that the Chief Adept describes
in his video?