Getting Into Magick
Evergreen
99% of it is composed of secondhand information that you have
simply accepted as truth because almost everyone you know accepts
it as truth.
A magician has to learn to seperate what he/she really knows from
mere ideas. What is really known is what one has experienced
directly, through the outer or the inner senses.
Yes, magician knows we have inner senses because he/she observes
that he/she perceives thoughts without using any of the physical
or outer senses. There are those who tell us that thoughts are
generated by the brain, but this is not a theory verified by
direct experience.
This takes a lot of work, and what you are left with is a very
different picture of the nature of reality from the one that
most people accept as valid.
And from this platform one can begin to learn real magick, which
is just the way reality really works. It is the true science.
Most people see the world through a theoritical structure that
they have been _told_ is fact. But words are just words and
reality is usually quite a different thing indeed.
Sid
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Sidney Lambe
Wiccan Priest and Apprentice Magician
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Evergreen
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Tom
> Take a real look at what you think you know. You'll soon realize that
> 99% of it is composed of secondhand information that you have
> simply accepted as truth because almost everyone you know accepts
> it as truth.
Sid plucks a percentage out of thin air and presents it as if it's an
established fact.
> Most people see the world through a theoritical structure that
> they have been _told_ is fact. But words are just words and
> reality is usually quite a different thing indeed.
So reality is not what Sid says it is, since Sid is using words.
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> On alt.religion.wicca, Evergreen <sidne...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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> Sid
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You complain that I killfire you (ya killfire) and now you killfiled me? :P
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seckond
> Take a real look at what you think you know. You'll soon realize that
> 99% of it is composed of secondhand information that you have
> simply accepted as truth because almost everyone you know accepts
> it as truth.
I mostly agree. Though I'd say something along the lines of 60-85% and
even that depending on the practitioner.
> A magician has to learn to seperate what he/she really knows from
> mere ideas. What is really known is what one has experienced
> directly, through the outer or the inner senses.
Agree 100%.
> Yes, magician knows we have inner senses because he/she observes
> that he/she perceives thoughts without using any of the physical
> or outer senses. There are those who tell us that thoughts are
> generated by the brain, but this is not a theory verified by
> direct experience.
I can't say I agree here. The brain does all the work. ;)
> This takes a lot of work, and what you are left with is a very
> different picture of the nature of reality from the one that
> most people accept as valid.
That's because perception differs. What I deem true might not be true
for you. It's what makes us unique and different. ;)
> And from this platform one can begin to learn real magick, which
> is just the way reality really works. It is the true science.
True. When you realise you can will things into happening without the
props, you know you're on the right track!
> Most people see the world through a theoritical structure that
> they have been _told_ is fact. But words are just words and
> reality is usually quite a different thing indeed.
Yep. All those that just take what they are given. All the blind
believers (blind in the metaphorical sense). Use critical thinking
folks!
Evergreen
> On Dec 18, 6:39=A0am, Evergreen <sidneyla...@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
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>> Take a real look at what you think you know. You'll soon
>> realize that 99% of it is composed of secondhand information
>> that you have simply accepted as truth because almost everyone
>> you know accepts it as truth.
>
> I mostly agree. Though I'd say something along the lines of
> 60-85% and even that depending on the practitioner.
>
>> A magician has to learn to seperate what he/she really
>> knows from mere ideas. What is really known is what one has
>> experienced directly, through the outer or the inner senses.
>
> Agree 100%.
>
>> Yes, magician knows we have inner senses because he/she
>> observes that he/she perceives thoughts without using any of
>> the physical or outer senses. There are those who tell us that
>> thoughts are generated by the brain, but this is not a theory
>> verified by direct experience.
>
> I can't say I agree here. The brain does all the work. ;)
The mind is not physical. It does all the work and some of that
is 'reflected' physically in the brain.
Easy to verify this: hook yourself to a sophisticated encephalograph
and then concentrate on something new. The changes in the recorded
output from the brain will _follow_ the thoughts.
>
>> This takes a lot of work, and what you are left with is a very
>> different picture of the nature of reality from the one that
>> most people accept as valid.
>
> That's because perception differs. What I deem true might not
> be true for you. It's what makes us unique and different. ;)
The basic truths are the same for all of us, and this is the
level I am referring to. The actual 'mechanics' of reality.
These are not affected by anyone's individual beliefs.
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>> And from this platform one can begin to learn real magick,
>> which is just the way reality really works. It is the true
>> science.
>
> True. When you realise you can will things into happening
> without the props, you know you're on the right track!
>
>> Most people see the world through a theoritical structure that
>> they have been _told_ is fact. But words are just words and
>> reality is usually quite a different thing indeed.
>
> Yep. All those that just take what they are given. All the
> blind believers (blind in the metaphorical sense). Use critical
> thinking folks!
Sid
Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole.
> On Dec 18, 6:39 am, Evergreen <sidneyla...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Take a real look at what you think you know. You'll soon realize that
> > 99% of it is composed of secondhand information that you have
> > simply accepted as truth because almost everyone you know accepts
> > it as truth.
Yep been over 1,000 Years of so many lies few know any truth these days.
Beorc Kano
> Take a real look at what you think you know. You'll soon realize that
> 99% of it is composed of secondhand information that you have
> simply accepted as truth because almost everyone you know accepts
> it as truth.
>(and everything between)
> Most people see the world through a theoretical structure that
> they have been _told_ is fact. But words are just words and
> reality is usually quite a different thing indeed.
>
> Sid
I agree, for the most part. The numbers may not line up perfectly, but
that isn't really a big deal.
This idea here is generally the basis for my system of belief... My
wife refers to my philosophical outlook as 'smashing her shinies,'
when I take each concept or idea or happening and beat away at it with
logic and experimentation until I find the gem of truth underneath the
layers of fluffy sparkles. Sometimes I have to break away all of the
fluff to find naught but a grain of sand in the middle. Other times,
simply wiping off the glitter is sufficient.
It all depends upon the practitioner, the concept, and the methods
involved.
Evergreen
Looks good to me.
The intuitions, direct knowing, is the ultimate tool. And its
use requires that one leave reason/logic behind.
All logic is based upon a premise that must accepted on faith.
It is all circular. Only the intuitions can determine whether a
premise is true or false.
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> The intuitions, direct knowing, is the ultimate tool.
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And a source of potential delusions.
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>And its use requires that one leave reason/logic behind.
>
What, and trust that any resulting delusions are not in some sort of
circular, embedded cycle of delusion? Good plan.
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> All logic is based upon a premise that must accepted on faith.
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Without stating what that premise is, the assertion is empty.
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> It is all circular.
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Possibly it is all self-referential, (at least within your paradigm),
including the premises of your paradigm.
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>Only the intuitions can determine whether a premise is true or false.
> Sid
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"Intuitions", which may or may not be accurate leaps of "faith"? This is
that circular portion you mentioned before, isn't it?