elevenfold star
Zodiac
i've been searching online for quite a while now for some information
about the elevenfold star, but even a google search of usenet archives has
revealed almost nothing so i thought i'd ask here.
if you have some information about this symbol or its history, or know of
some URLs I'd sure appreciate it. Specifically I'm looking for its
meaning, and what the meaning of the larger outside star would be without
the small pentagram in the center.
I want to use this symbol on a website I maintain but I don't want ot put
it up there without understanding what it means. cuz you know... its not a
very good idea to mess around with symbols you don't understand.
Anyway thanks in advance for your help. You can also email me off-list if
you like.
-Paula
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>
> i've been searching online for quite a while now for some information
> about the elevenfold star, but even a google search of usenet archives
has
> revealed almost nothing so i thought i'd ask here.
>
> if you have some information about this symbol or its history, or know
of
> some URLs I'd sure appreciate it. Specifically I'm looking for its
> meaning, and what the meaning of the larger outside star would be
without
> the small pentagram in the center.
The elevenfold star represents the uniting of the microism with the
macroism.
Asiya
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Eat the meatballs to email me.
Joseph
>
> hello all,
>
> i've been searching online for quite a while now for some information
> about the elevenfold star, but even a google search of usenet archives has
> revealed almost nothing so i thought i'd ask here.
>
> if you have some information about this symbol or its history, or know of
> some URLs I'd sure appreciate it. Specifically I'm looking for its
> meaning, and what the meaning of the larger outside star would be without
> the small pentagram in the center.
>
> I want to use this symbol on a website I maintain but I don't want ot put
> it up there without understanding what it means. cuz you know... its not a
> very good idea to mess around with symbols you don't understand.
>
> Anyway thanks in advance for your help. You can also email me off-list if
> you like.
>
> -Paula
"The Endekagram (with 1 point down and 2 up) represents the concentrated
action of evil in the averse triad, symbolized by the eleven dukes of edom,
the horns of the red dragon when he ariseth, This is a reference to one of
the altar diagrams, the garden of eden after the fall.
It is a curious fact that the Endekagram which cam be formed with one point
up and two down is not so evil as the rest, and represents the restraining of
the evil ones. This abhorrence of and incompatibility with the number four is
another mark of the imperfect nature of the edekad when applied to the
symbolism of the qliphoth; for by the same that they are shown, so is their
restriction shown. Yet even the endekangle reflected from every fourth point
is not good in operation, but simply declareth the restriction of evil. The
Endekagram reflected from every fifth point represents the concentrated forces
of the averse and evil sephiroth."
From Israel Regardie' "the complete teaching of the golden dawn.
though it should be added that some gay magicians have adopted the number 11
as symbolic of a magickal current related to male sexuality exclusive of the female.
what is it you are trying to symbolize with he 11 pointed star?
im not familiar with an 11 pointed star with a 5 pointed star inside except
that 5 being mars would accentuate the masculine and war like quality of the symbol
if you have a copy of crowleys 777 you might look at his essay on gemetria and
the table relating to key 11 & 17
joseph
Zodiac
>"The Endekagram (with 1 point down and 2 up) [...snip...]
okay.... I know almost nothing about Crowley, i have no idea what
"Endekagram" is, but this is the symbol I'm trying to decipher:
http://salemwitch.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product122.html
the brief description of the product is somewhat helpful, but I am
specifically trying to figure out what the larger, outside star means
without the center pentagram. For example, is the center pentagram
"macrocosm" and the larger symbol "microcosm?" Without the center
pentagram would it then mean "Will" ? Or does it just become meaningless?
Does the larger outside symbol replace the circle found around most
pentagrams?
-Paula
Joseph
>
> In article <3C328A25...@pacbell.net>, jos...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> >"The Endekagram (with 1 point down and 2 up) [...snip...]
>
> okay.... I know almost nothing about Crowley, i have no idea what
> "Endekagram" is, but this is the symbol I'm trying to decipher:
>
> http://salemwitch.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product122.html
"endekagram" is just a fnacy latin way of saying "11 pointed star"
unfortunatly the link you provided dont work, if you would like to send me in
e-mail a copy of the image i would be interested n seeing it, many people take
tradional images/symbols and give them unique meanings outside of any context
they may have historically, the nazi swastika is a famouse example of this.
>
> the brief description of the product is somewhat helpful, but I am
> specifically trying to figure out what the larger, outside star means
> without the center pentagram. For example, is the center pentagram
> "macrocosm" and the larger symbol "microcosm?"
generaly the 5 pointed star is micro and the 6 pointed star macrocosom.
Without the center
> pentagram would it then mean "Will" ? Or does it just become meaningless?
> Does the larger outside symbol replace the circle found around most
> pentagrams?
possibly, the circle around the star in some systems is to "contain" or
"constrain" the energies evoked in the center of the star or to protect that
which is allready there.
joseph
Zodiac
> "endekagram" is just a fnacy latin way of saying "11 pointed star"
> unfortunatly the link you provided dont work, if you would like to send me in
> e-mail a copy of the image i would be interested n seeing it, many people take
> tradional images/symbols and give them unique meanings outside of any context
> they may have historically, the nazi swastika is a famouse example of this.
yeah I saw that site went down, really too bad they had some nice stuff.
Anyway here's another pic: http://www.hermeticka.com/cloths.htm The very
top product is an altar cloth with the elevenfold star embroidered on it.
> possibly, the circle around the star in some systems is to "contain" or
> "constrain" the energies evoked in the center of the star or to protect that
> which is allready there.
cool, thanks fo ryour help joseph.
Joseph
> yeah I saw that site went down, really too bad they had some nice stuff.
> Anyway here's another pic: http://www.hermeticka.com/cloths.htm The very
> top product is an altar cloth with the elevenfold star embroidered on it.
o.k. now i see what your talking about its the "unicursal hexagram" a symbol
crowley used as a persoanal monogram and if i recall corectly was ment to
represent the uniting of the micro and macrocosom. ill look through the
library tonight and see if i can find the text where crowley explains it. i
couold be wrong but i think in the newer thoth decks there a brief explination
accompanying a picture of they symbol, one of the things it was meant to do
was to be used in the greater and lesser banishing rituals of the hexagram so
that a 6 pointed star could be drawn with one line and motion adding the 5
pointed flower(iirc) was to represent the person performing the cerimoney but
ill try to find somthing from the beast himself, meanwhile a google search on
unicursal+hexagram witll get you lots of stuff
and if your intereted in it as jewelry try
http://www.capricornslair.com/unhex.html
some lovely stuff on the altar cloth site, the star of babalon cloth is just
what ive been looking for, forget what i wrote you about the eleven pointed
star, it dont apply to the symbol your interested in.
joseph
>
Zodiac
> o.k. now i see what your talking about its the "unicursal hexagram" a symbol
> crowley used as a persoanal monogram and if i recall corectly was ment to
> represent the uniting of the micro and macrocosom. ill look through the
> library tonight and see if i can find the text where crowley explains it. i
> couold be wrong but i think in the newer thoth decks there a brief explination
> accompanying a picture of they symbol, one of the things it was meant to do
> was to be used in the greater and lesser banishing rituals of the hexagram so
> that a 6 pointed star could be drawn with one line and motion adding the 5
> pointed flower(iirc) was to represent the person performing the cerimoney but
> ill try to find somthing from the beast himself, meanwhile a google search on
> unicursal+hexagram witll get you lots of stuff
>
> and if your intereted in it as jewelry try
>
> http://www.capricornslair.com/unhex.html
excellent thanks so much joseph! Now I have the info I need to start
researching this correctly. Your help is much appreciated! :)