Norse Runes, Christian Symbox
joshua geller
In article <32F209...@inetnebr.com>,
Lisa & Jonathan Montoya <za...@inetnebr.com> wrote:
>So, just finishing one of my lessons I took it to be runes, so I read it
>as Wunjo and Gebo, and Wunjo and Othila. I'm a beginner so I'm not sure
>if my interpretation is accurate but I took the first to mean to give
>the gift of heven, and the second to mean to sacrafice for the sake of
>heven.
for extra credit, where is heaven?
josh
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Hidden somewhere under New Joisey.
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Lisa & Jonathan Montoya
I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer. See, recently I
have been studying the Runes. One day I was walking through the house
and just looking at all our various Christian decorations (my wife is
Lutheran), and right beside each other I see two variations of the same
Christian symbol. On a plaque there was what looked like a P with an x
projected on it, and on the other was a P with a fish symbol combined.
as Wunjo and Gebo, and Wunjo and Othila. I'm a beginner so I'm not sure
if my interpretation is accurate but I took the first to mean to give
the gift of heven, and the second to mean to sacrafice for the sake of
to represent their beliefs. So my wife got home and I told her about
this, and she said she was told that they were Christ's name in Greek
transcribed over each other. I looked up some Christian recources and
they said the same. Anyone have any idea if the Norse and the Greek
symbols are connected?
Chris Carlisle
Er, the Greek symbols are a Chi (X) and a Rho (like a P), superimposed. They stand
for the name of Christ. I think the resemblances you are seeing are pretty
superficial, since I don't think anyone (though Paul and Al will correct me if I'm
wrong, I'm sure) has suggested that runes are derived from the Greek alphabet.
I've noticed that people seem to go out of their way to find resemblances between
symbols. It's practically a mania. I have an old book at home called _The Migration
of Symbols_ which connects unrelated cultures to the point of absurdity.
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William D Laignel
On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Lisa & Jonathan Montoya wrote:
> I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer. See, recently I
> have been studying the Runes. One day I was walking through the house
> and just looking at all our various Christian decorations (my wife is
> Lutheran), and right beside each other I see two variations of the same
> Christian symbol. On a plaque there was what looked like a P with an x
> projected on it, and on the other was a P with a fish symbol combined.
> So, just finishing one of my lessons I took it to be runes, so I read it
> as Wunjo and Gebo, and Wunjo and Othila. I'm a beginner so I'm not sure
> if my interpretation is accurate but I took the first to mean to give
> the gift of heven, and the second to mean to sacrafice for the sake of
> heven. I thought it humorous that Christians were using pagan symbols
> to represent their beliefs. So my wife got home and I told her about
> this, and she said she was told that they were Christ's name in Greek
> transcribed over each other. I looked up some Christian recources and
> they said the same. Anyone have any idea if the Norse and the Greek
> symbols are connected?
>
Hello you two, i have noticed that there are some symbolism between some
of the Runes an Liner A from ancient Greece. as we know liner B has been
translated and taught as part of the Roman/Greek education of Medieval
times and later. Linear A has yet to be translated or solved. during the
time of christ the Roman empire was expanding and absorbing a huge number
of cultures. it is highly possible that roman christians borrowed symbols
and meanings from the new cultures (germanic tribes which were on the
outskirts of the empire), much as America today is a melting pot of
cultures. [Gaia bless us with the wisdom to be humble, so that our egos
do not explode and kill the innocents around us] Bill L.
Lisa & Jonathan Montoya
Chris Carlisle wrote:
>
> Lisa & Jonathan Montoya wrote:
> >
> > I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer. See, recently I
> > have been studying the Runes. One day I was walking through the house
> > and just looking at all our various Christian decorations (my wife is
> > Lutheran), and right beside each other I see two variations of the same
> > Christian symbol. On a plaque there was what looked like a P with an x
> > projected on it, and on the other was a P with a fish symbol combined.
> > So, just finishing one of my lessons I took it to be runes, so I read it
> > as Wunjo and Gebo, and Wunjo and Othila. I'm a beginner so I'm not sure
> > if my interpretation is accurate but I took the first to mean to give
> > the gift of heven, and the second to mean to sacrafice for the sake of
> > heven. I thought it humorous that Christians were using pagan symbols
> > to represent their beliefs. So my wife got home and I told her about
> > this, and she said she was told that they were Christ's name in Greek
> > transcribed over each other. I looked up some Christian recources and
> > they said the same. Anyone have any idea if the Norse and the Greek
> > symbols are connected?
>
> for the name of Christ. I think the resemblances you are seeing are pretty
> superficial, since I don't think anyone (though Paul and Al will correct me if I'm
> wrong, I'm sure) has suggested that runes are derived from the Greek alphabet.
>
> I've noticed that people seem to go out of their way to find resemblances between
> symbols. It's practically a mania. I have an old book at home called _The Migration
> of Symbols_ which connects unrelated cultures to the point of absurdity.
> --
> KIWI CARLISLE
> CARL...@WUCHEM.WUSTL.EDU
> My return address has been mangled to reduce spam.
Well, yes I agree it is a superficial resemblance, but an interesting
one. I don't attach any mystical significance to it, I was just being
inquisitive.
Stryder
You have made some interesting correspondences. I don't, however,
believe that there is any "solid" connection between Greek letters and
Runes. the X P symbol on you wife's cross are the Greek letters chi
and rho...the first two letters of the word "Christ" in Greek. These
two letters superimposed has long been a Christian symbol. The
substitution of the fish symbol for the chi is interesting. I don't
know that I've ever seen that before. The fish symbol is an early
Christian symbol. Somewhat connected to the idea of Jesus as a
fisherman -- fisher of men. The other reason for the use of the symbol
is that the early Christians used "ichthus"--the Greek word for "fish"
as an acronym for (translated to English) "Jesus Christ, Son of God,
Redeemer". I don't know if you had found that out from your studies
into Christian symbolism. As far as I know, there is not any direct
correspondence to your interesting interpretation of the Runic
equivalents.
Regards,
Stryder
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William D Laignel
I have noticed that a few people do not realise that there are two forms
of Greek used Linear A and Linear B. Linear A is what we can and have
learned (Rho, Pi, Delta, etc...). What isn't known is Linear A which
predates linear B by almost Two centuries. There are some similar symbols
between Linear A and the Runes. Check your Greek, don't just take my word
on it. Anything unquestioned is blind faith, we have enough of that with
the evangelists on line. [Some will fall in love with life and drink it
from a fountain that is rushing like an avalanche, comming down the
mountain - Butthole Surfers] Bill L.
MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN, SUNY BUFFALO
> The fish symbol is an early
>Christian symbol. Somewhat connected to the idea of Jesus as a
>fisherman -- fisher of men. The other reason for the use of the symbol
>is that the early Christians used "ichthus"--the Greek word for "fish"
>as an acronym for (translated to English) "Jesus Christ, Son of God,
>Redeemer". I don't know if you had found that out from your studies
>into Christian symbolism. As far as I know, there is not any direct
>correspondence to your interesting interpretation of the Runic
>equivalents.
I thought the main reason for use of the fish had to do with the
constellation pisces being in a particular position (forget what
its called) at the time of Christ's birth, and all the fish/fisher
of men and other fish symbolism is inspired by this astrological
event.
Now Aquarius is nearly in this position.
- Peggy -
joshua geller
In article <5danq7$m...@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN, SUNY BUFFALO <oisp...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
wrote:
you are talking about the precession of the equinoxes. it is not an
astrological event.
>Now Aquarius is nearly in this position.
depends what you are calling aquarius, really.
josh
White Lion
I don't think that it is unreasonable to assume that neighboring peoples
might have some collusion when it comes to symbols. Its not like we are
talking the Aztecs and the Mongolians.
richard m watkin
In article <32F3D4...@inetnebr.com>, Lisa & Jonathan Montoya
<URL:mailto:za...@inetnebr.com> wrote:
>
> Chris Carlisle wrote:
> >
> > Lisa & Jonathan Montoya wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a question that I wonder if anyone can answer. See, recently I
> > > have been studying the Runes. One day I was walking through the house
> > > and just looking at all our various Christian decorations (my wife is
> > > Lutheran), and right beside each other I see two variations of the same
> > > Christian symbol. On a plaque there was what looked like a P with an x
> > > projected on it, and on the other was a P with a fish symbol combined.
> > > So, just finishing one of my lessons I took it to be runes, so I read it
> > > as Wunjo and Gebo, and Wunjo and Othila. I'm a beginner so I'm not sure
> > > if my interpretation is accurate but I took the first to mean to give
> > > the gift of heven, and the second to mean to sacrafice for the sake of
> > > heven. I thought it humorous that Christians were using pagan symbols
> > > to represent their beliefs. So my wife got home and I told her about
> > > this, and she said she was told that they were Christ's name in Greek
> > > transcribed over each other. I looked up some Christian recources and
> > > they said the same. Anyone have any idea if the Norse and the Greek
> > > symbols are connected?
> >
> > Er, the Greek symbols are a Chi (X) and a Rho (like a P), superimposed. They stand
> > for the name of Christ. I think the resemblances you are seeing are pretty
> > superficial, since I don't think anyone (though Paul and Al will correct me if I'm
> > wrong, I'm sure) has suggested that runes are derived from the Greek alphabet.
> >
> > symbols. It's practically a mania. I have an old book at home called _The Migratio
> n
> > of Symbols_ which connects unrelated cultures to the point of absurdity.
> > --
> > KIWI CARLISLE
> > CARL...@WUCHEM.WUSTL.EDU
> > My return address has been mangled to reduce spam.
>
>
> one. I don't attach any mystical significance to it, I was just being
> inquisitive.
>
gebo = partnership, a gift.
partnership is at hand in love or business matters, also union
with the higher self, the gift of freedom which flow all other
gifts.
othila = separation, retreat, inheritance.
this is atime of separating paths. old skins must be shed, out
moded relationships discarded,this is a rune of radical
severance. this is a rune of benefits, however the benefits
you receive are gained by giving something up.
wunjo = joy, light.
this rune is a fruit bearing branch, you can now freely
receive wunjo`s blessings, wether they be material gain,
or emotional. light pierces the clouds. wunjo is a rune
restoration of self.
hope this helps, sorry to take so long to reply but i
only log on once a week.
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Denele Fowler
I have also noticed Norse and Christian symbols being connected in various
ways. I've yet to understand why these two opposites could be together...
I've got a few Ideas though.
-Mat Fowler
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You guys don't know what yer talking about do you? |-)
Have you read the Poetic Edda? check out 'Havamal' 135-147 (I think that's the
right place) odin's rune poem. Make your own interpretations. I've studdied
runes for several years, and know pretty much all there is, Read the original
texts (wormanius, not sturlusons) I have no use for those pathetic commercial
books.
-Mat Fowler
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Runemaker
That's a bold statement. Maybe you could unravel some of the yet
undecipherable runestones for the historians then. Your reading
suggestions can't be faulted (although the arogance could be), but to
say you know pretty much all there is about runes - Yeah, alright, if
you say so! You don't go by the name of Odin as well as Mat do you?
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