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vision
Aster Argos
vision wrote:
> SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
Sigil of Stupid Shits who believe in the Secret Service of Stellar
Superstars.
Love,
Panoptes
mhe...@jacksonville.net
<pri...@vision.netlineuk.net> wrote:
>SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
>
Try - Seal of the Sacred Brotherhood
>
Fire Magi
If you have to ask it is none of you business!
In article <7t0ate$6ru$1...@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk>, "vision"
<pri...@vision.netlineuk.net> wrote:
>SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
>
>
Fire Magi
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Aster Argos <pano...@indy.net> wrote:
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> vision wrote:
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> > SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
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> Superstars.
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> Love,
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> Panoptes
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> > >play, too buisy practicing.
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>The SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS, everybody is able to translate, But
>the A.'.A.'. and what it means is a wellkept secret to the profane (Bullshit); this
>is also known (they are still trying to decide if A.'.A.'. is Greek ASTRO ARGOS or Latin Astrum Argenteum) to the Students of the Works of Aleister Crowley..
>
>93!
>
>Fire Magi wrote:
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>> If you knew you would not ask.
>> If you have to ask it is none of you business!
>>
>> In article <7t0ate$6ru$1...@cumin.nnrp.netline.net.uk>, "vision"
>> <pri...@vision.netlineuk.net> wrote:
>> >SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
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>> >
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>The SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS, everybody is able to translate, But
>the A.'.A.'. and what it means is a wellkept secret to the profane; (Bullshit) this
>is also known (they -- still havn't decided if it's Greek -- ASTOR ARGOS or Latin -- Astrum Argenteum ] to the Students of the Works of Aleister Crowley..
Joseph Gurney
<mhe...@jacksonville.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:41:46 +0100, "vision"
> <pri...@vision.netlineuk.net> wrote:
>
> >SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS what does this mean ? help
> >
Or better still, try "Sacred Seal of the Brotherhood". "Sanctum" has a 2nd
declension neuter nominative singular ending and therefore goes with
"sigillum", but not "fraternitas" which is 3rd declension masculine singular
genitive.
Joseph Gurney.
"Ne illegitimi te carbureant."
Ludvig Prinn
The whole script reads:
SIGILLUM SANCTUM FRATERNITATIS A:.A:.
It means "Holy Symbol of the Fraternity A:.A:."
As for the A:.A:. part, there are several extant theories as to what it means.
However, I have been told in no uncertain terms that the letters do not
actually "stand" for anything, as they are not "initials". Hope this helps.
_____________________________________
"You should spend less time worrying about what other people think and more
time giving them new things to think about."
Ludvig Prinn
Worker of Miracles
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/ThunderRoad
Fax: (707) 924-8774
Grrr
>
> The SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS, everybody is able to translate, But
> is also known to the Students of the Works of Aleister Crowley..
Anus-lickers anonymous.
Heh. looks like your sectret is out.
MC
Ludvig Prinn wrote in message
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>
>As for the A:.A:. part, there are several extant theories as to what it
means.
>However, I have been told in no uncertain terms that the letters do not
>actually "stand" for anything, as they are not "initials". Hope this helps.
One of the first inductees into the A.A. (forgive me if I ignore the strange
orthography) was Victor Neuburg. He later broke with Crowley and stormily
rescinded his vows of secrecy. Neuburg revealed that the letters stand for
Astrum Argenteum. My spelling may be off because I do not have the book to
hand -- the book, in this case, being Jean Overton Fuller's biography of
Neuburg.
Present day Crowleyites like to maintain the mystery, but -- unless they can
explain why Neuburg would have lied about such a thing -- there really is no
mystery about what the initials stand for.
Here's a related question that has gnawed at me for some time. Precisely
when and why did the tradition arise of hermetic groups using strange
orthography when abbreviating names of organizations? The tradition seems to
have originated with masonry.
Aster Argos
ALL Masters of the Temple are Panoptes
"Into the Abyss I fall, the Eye of Horus." - Power Slave * Iron Maiden
Ludvig Prinn
>means.
>>However, I have been told in no uncertain terms that the letters do not
>>actually "stand" for anything, as they are not "initials". Hope this helps.
>
>One of the first inductees into the A.A. (forgive me if I ignore the strange
>orthography) was Victor Neuburg. He later broke with Crowley and stormily
>rescinded his vows of secrecy. Neuburg revealed that the letters stand for
>Astrum Argenteum.
Yeah, yeah, we've all heard it. My statement stands.
Ludvig Prinn
>Present day Crowleyites like to maintain the mystery, but -- unless they
>can
>explain why Neuburg would have lied about such a thing -- there really is
>no
>mystery about what the initials stand for.
Have you read "One Star in Sight"? Have you ever bothered to analyze letter
combinations? Has anyone told you what the .'. means behind certain letters?
>Here's a related question that has gnawed at me for some time. Precisely
>when and why did the tradition arise of hermetic groups using strange
>orthography when abbreviating names of organizations?
When doesn't matter. Ask why.
Shetakaey
letter
> combinations? Has anyone told you what the .'. means behind certain
letters?
>
What does the .'. mean behind certain letters?
Shetakaey
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> What does the .'. mean behind certain letters?
It is a Masonic convention that has been carried forward by many esoteric
societies. The interpretations most often given by modern esoteric
sources -- for example, that they refer to the three Supernals -- would have
little or (probably) no relevance in a Masonic environment. The number three
has quite different implications to Masons, only a few of which would
overlap with magical groups' symbols.
See the article on "Abbreviations" in Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of
Freemasonry, for example, for more .'. occurrences then you can shake your
cable tow at! A brief explanation from that article: "Frequently, among
English and always among French authors, a Masonic abbreviation is
distinguished by three points, .'. in a triangular form following the
letter, which peculiar mark was first used, according to Ragon, on the 12th
of August, 1774, by the Grand Orient of France, in an address to its
subordinates. No authoritative explanation of the meaning of these points
has been given, but they may be supposed to refer to the three lights around
the altar, or perhaps to more generally to the number three, and to the
triangle, both important symbols in the Masonic system."
I'd add that, to Masons, they probably refer to the three original
Masters -- and then, behind that, to everything *they* symbolize.
Ludvig Prinn
>has been given,
Fair enough. That was really all you needed to say about the dictionary
definition.
Marko Ronkainen
Michael Langholm-Pedersen wrote in message <37F47A94...@stibo.dk>...
>The SIGILLVM SANCTVM FRATERNITATIS, everybody is able to translate, But
>the A.'.A.'. and what it means is a wellkept secret to the profane; this
>is also known to the Students of the Works of Aleister Crowley..
...unless you've read The Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Shea and Rober
Anton
Wilson... =)
- Marko
Fra Omax
roberta
> letter
> > combinations? Has anyone told you what the .'. means behind certain
> letters?
> >
>
>
>
David R. Jones
>>One of the first inductees into the A.A. (forgive me if I ignore the strange
>>orthography) was Victor Neuburg. He later broke with Crowley and stormily
>>rescinded his vows of secrecy. Neuburg revealed that the letters stand for
>>Astrum Argenteum.
Where does he do this?
Love is the law, love under will.
David R. Jones
Avaryce
>Present day Crowleyites like to maintain the mystery, but -- unless they can
>explain why Neuburg would have lied about such a thing -- there really is no
>mystery about what the initials stand for.
Why would Neuburg lie? I don't know, but here's an even better
question-- why did he let Crowley lead him around on a leash in North
Africa?
>Here's a related question that has gnawed at me for some time. Precisely
>when and why did the tradition arise of hermetic groups using strange
>orthography when abbreviating names of organizations? The tradition seems to
>have originated with masonry.
I read somewhere that the triple dot after each intial represents the
fact that the group in question knows the original Masonic word.
(But, then again, it could have been something written by R.A.W., and
as such, probably not accurate.)
93 93/93.
Avaryce
Avaryce
On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:25:14 -0500, "roberta" <kiss...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>\ -- isn't it a mathematical or scientifically used symbol meaning "therefore?" I saw it in a chemistry book a while back...
It is also used in syllogistic logic as "therefore" when working with
the Copi system.
Jim Elson
>>Present day Crowleyites like to maintain the mystery, but -- unless they can
>>explain why Neuburg would have lied about such a thing -- there really is no
>>mystery about what the initials stand for.
Re: "maintain the mystery"
There a number of positive motivations for this. Some are of the
dross variety. But one you might consider is that it is revealed
by one's Instructor upon being officially recognized as a Neophyte.
For an Aspirant to the A.:A.:, it's simply inappropriate to not remain
silent about the issue.
>Why would Neuburg lie? I don't know, but here's an even better
>question-- why did he let Crowley lead him around on a leash in North
>Africa?
This is a tongue-in-cheek question, isn't it?
Ludvig Prinn
>silent about the issue.
On the contrary, we are instructed to "boldly proclaim our association with the
AA, even so little as we know of it".
_____________________________________
"Trauma is the engine of Initiation"
Jim Elson
wrote:
>>For an Aspirant to the A.:A.:, it's simply inappropriate to not remain
>>silent about the issue.
>
>On the contrary, we are instructed to "boldly proclaim our association with the
>AA, even so little as we know of it".
Perhaps, I should have been clearer: silent about what: the letters,
A.:A., stand for.
Sznog
Jim Elson wrote:
Consult your pineal gland.
Sznog
>
>
>
Sznog
Ludvig Prinn wrote:
> >For an Aspirant to the A.:A.:, it's simply inappropriate to not remain
> >silent about the issue.
>
> On the contrary, we are instructed to "boldly proclaim our association with the
> AA, even so little as we know of it".
Secrecy is best kept in the halls of the obvious and the best thing about truth is
that no one believes it when they hear it.
Sznog
justme
>Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
>
>>Present day Crowleyites like to maintain the mystery, but -- unless they can
>>explain why Neuburg would have lied about such a thing -- there really is no
>>mystery about what the initials stand for.
>
>Why would Neuburg lie? I don't know, but here's an even better
>question-- why did he let Crowley lead him around on a leash in North
>Africa?
>
This is just a matter of the force of personality. Crowley had a
charisma that made it easy for him to lead anyone around by a leash.
As far as the mystery of AA intitials - both the Greek and Latin can
be translated to the Order of the Silver Star. Please - don't make
something of nothing.
>>Here's a related question that has gnawed at me for some time. Precisely
>>when and why did the tradition arise of hermetic groups using strange
>>orthography when abbreviating names of organizations? The tradition seems to
>>have originated with masonry.
>
>I read somewhere that the triple dot after each intial represents the
>fact that the group in question knows the original Masonic word.
>(But, then again, it could have been something written by R.A.W., and
>as such, probably not accurate.)
>
>93 93/93.
>
Ludvig Prinn
>with the
>> AA, even so little as we know of it".
>
>Secrecy is best kept in the halls of the obvious and the best thing about
>truth is
>that no one believes it when they hear it.
This just happened!
We were on our way back from the store five minutes ago, and the security guard
said "Hey, it's the witching hour--what are you three doing out?" and I replied
"Well, we're witches!"
He said "Yeah, sure. How much will you pay me to believe that?" I said
"Nothing. Belief is free" and my wife muttered "It's DISbelief that'll cost
you!"
Sznog
Ludvig Prinn wrote:
> >> On the contrary, we are instructed to "boldly proclaim our association
> >with the
> >> AA, even so little as we know of it".
> >
> >Secrecy is best kept in the halls of the obvious and the best thing about
> >truth is
> >that no one believes it when they hear it.
>
> This just happened!
>
> We were on our way back from the store five minutes ago, and the security guard
> said "Hey, it's the witching hour--what are you three doing out?" and I replied
> "Well, we're witches!"
>
> He said "Yeah, sure. How much will you pay me to believe that?" I said
> "Nothing. Belief is free" and my wife muttered "It's DISbelief that'll cost
> you!"
How Ironic. I love it.
Sznog
Khayah
93
mhe...@jackosnville.net wrote:
>As far as the mystery of AA intitials - both the Greek and Latin can
>be translated to the Order of the Silver Star. Please - don't make
>something of nothing.
While I respect your knowledge of matters concerning the HOGD, Mitch, the tone
of this post appears to be emphatic. The inferance is that Crowley never stated
what these initials meant, or in what language he was taking them from, and it
is incorrect, IMO. The following is commentary, and it must not be interpreted
as anything else.
You will have to forgive me for being lazy. I don't feel the need to dredge up
all the Libers to prove the following points.
In One Star in Sight, Crowley alludes to the "Order of the Star called S.S.".
He goes further to allude that it is composed of Three Orders of 11 Degrees.
Each Order's name is abbreviated.. The Third Order is the S.S., or Silver Star.
Second Order would be R.C., or Rosy Cross (AKA RR et AC), and Outer Order is
G.D., or Golden Dawn. Now, at no time in this document does Crowley label any
of these distinctly to be A.'.A.'. but to be the Orders which comprise the
A.'.A.'.. It makes matters more interesting this way.
The first thing to be considered is the allusions Crowley makes in his Liber on
Greek Gematria, where-in he directly relates A.'.A.'. to ASTR ARGOS and to the
number 451. This number, 451, cross references to Tehom in hebrew, which means
"Abyss". Further, it alludes to the Angels of Tiphareth, as well as to the
Mystic Sleep of ShILOAM. All fun things, and each one develops the matter
further.
The next aspect is be to consider in his translation of "The Key to the
Mysteries" by Levi. In this work, the words "Arcanum Arcanorum" are utilized.
These words may be translated as Secret of Secrets, which is an allusion to the
process by which the Philosophers Stone is Created, I.E. the Formula of the
Rosy Cross within Crowley verbage. That is the R+C+. The Second Order of the
A.'.A.'..
Then there is the matter of A.'.A.'. being the Aurora Auraea. Thismay be
interpreted to be "Golden Dawn" or "Breath of Dawn". In either instance, the
meaning is held intact, and makes reference to the first step upon the path of
Initiation.
In the end, the initials A.'.A.'. make reference to the Order on all levels,
IMO, and not just to basic appearances.
Just an opinion...
93 93-93
Christopher Sahklaviel
Fr. Khayah
Ordo AntiChristianus Illuminati