The power of three, what does it mean?
aethyr
>>From: MikeB...@hotmail.com (Mike Bandy)
>
>
>>Three is pervasive. It's found in fairy tales, folk lore and
>>mythology. There were three bears, three wishes, and three fiddlers.
>>In the Judgment of Paris, there are three contestants for the golden
>>apple. In the Qabala, there are three sephiroth in the supernal
>>triangle, and there are three veils of negative existence.
>>
>>The superlative (good, better, best) is composed of three. Time has a
>>past, present and future. Space has length, width and breadth. This
>>post has a beginning, middle and end. Three encompasses the totality
>>(e.g., the beginning, middle and end).
>>
>>Sometimes reasoning consists of a thesis, antithesis and synthesis.
>>The sexual symbolism, as Tommy said, is that three represents a
>>father, mother and child. If one and two are opposites, three
>>reconciles them. In one of the myths, Mars and Venus had a daughter
>>named Harmony. Harmony is the synthesis, or the reconciliation.
>>
>>Three points are necessary for the simplest geometric figure. From
>>this it follows that three is symbolic of completion. I guess that
>>to repeat an incantation three times is to complete it, and to repeat
>>it "three times three" is to state it all possible times. In the
>>Tarot, three is a symbol of initial completion.
>>
>>BTW (in anticipation of the flames), whereas the following is not
>>original, neither is it a parroting of others. I have spent years
>>internalizing these basic concepts. I'd like to acknowledge Richard
>>Sprigg for leading me (through his posts) to some of the conclusions
>>contained herein.
>>
>>"[F]or as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
>>so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
>>the earth." Matthew 12:40 (KJV).
>>Regards,
>>Mike Bandy
>
>
> "Christ rose after t h r e e days."
> On Friday Christ gave up the spirit. This is one day. The entire
> Sabbath (Savato) He was in the tomb; after this there is the evening.
> As Sunday dawned He rose from the grave, and this is a day. For
> on whatever hour of the day one falls asleep, you count the next
> day separately, and the following one from earliest dawn you
> consider to be the third day.
>
> "After eight days Christ appeared a second time to his disciples."
>
>
See Ralph Abrahams Chaos, Gais, Eros for more history, culture, and
science of three. Amazing book! Got to see him speak in Santa Cruz
(Gateways Bookstore). That grandpa of a teddy bear I love, he was so
articulate and cool!
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> I often see spells that contain the words "by the power of three times
> three..." in the incantation. What does the phrase mean? Any help will be
much
> appreciated as i don't want to say those words unless i know their meaning
and
> purpose.
>
I think it all depends on what it means to you - to me, "the power of three"
is the
power of the Goddess in the triple aspect - Maiden, Mother, Crone.
(Christians
would think of it as the Holy Trinity of Father, Son & Holy Ghost).
As I have not studied a lot about numerology at this point, it could refer
to the
power of 9 (3x3) which is supposed to be mystical number I believe, but
someone
else will have to comment about it.
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TREKKER71
Richard Ballard
trek...@aol.com (TREKKER71) writes:
>I often see spells that contain the words "by the power of three times
>three..." in the incantation. What does the phrase mean?
I am aware of "The Universal Rule Of Three" (also known as
"The Threefold Law Of Return"):
'Good actions (and ill actions) are returned threefold'.
A favorite quotation:
"I have told you once, I have told you twice,
What I tell you three times is true ..."
-The Hunting Of The Snark
3 * 3 = 9, an equation with an interpretation of its own.
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Five other favorite quotations:
1. [Words of wisdom for the independent computer consultant:]
"Whereas mediocre employees will never create excellent
results, everyone else will torpedo the work of a
brilliant but obnoxious co-worker. It's likewise with
your IT organization. Excellence is important but not
until after the business invites you to participate."
"Survival Guide" columnist Bob Lewis
[RB comment: Stay warm, folks! Sometimes the best method for
staying warm is righteous anger directed at incompetents -- at
least prospective Customers know that you aren't stupid. The
bottom line: 'Our ancestors didn't work their way up to the
top of the food chain just so we could become vegetarians.']
2. "When it is not necessary to make a decision,
it is necessary not to make a decision."
Lord Falkland
3. "Ah, 'All things come to those who wait.'
They come, but often come too late."
Lady Mary M. Currie; Tout Vient a Qui Sait Attendre (1890)
4. 'Suffering teaches us only that suffering has absolutely no value.'
Yacov Bok, in the novel "The Fixer" by Bernard Malamud
5. "100 percent of the shots you don't take don't go in."
Gordie Howe, hockey great
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It means you're reading some sort of bogus neo-pagan nonsense, in all
probability.
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mika
Many spells are based on Wiccan magick, which is based on Wiccan
religious beliefs, which (in general) consist of several significant
sets of 3. There is the triple goddess, maiden, mother and crone,
which corresponds with the waxing, full, and waning moon (the new moon
is sometimes maiden, sometimes crone, depending on the working).
There are also 3 worlds - physical, mental (intellectual/emotional),
and spiritual. Many ritual acts are done 3 times to address the 3
worlds, for example, casting a circle with salt for the physical, then
water for the mental, then incense for the spiritual. Also, some
people associate 3 with god, goddess and center (or the self).
Since 3 is a sacred number, it is considered to have a kind of
inherent or associative power. So, "by the power of three" can refer
to any of those 3s, and "by the power of three times three" is a
magnification of the sacred number. It's like saying, "I've got the
power of the maiden, mother and crone on the physical, mental and
spiritual planes behind me!!! So there!!!"
There's more to it, and I think Starhawk talks about 3 in Spiral Dance
a bit if you want to check that out. Personally, I think there are
qabalistic roots to the significance of the number 3 in Wicca, but
with qabala every number has significance, so depending on the ritual
one might say "by the power of four times four" or something else as
appropriate.
If you do not follow the Wiccan religion, or don't have much of a
connection to the number 3, you can easily substitute a different
statement of power in the spells. For example, you can say "by the
power of all that is good and holy" or "by the power of Thor's hammer"
or whatever symbol works for you.
catherine yronwode
>
> trek...@aol.com (TREKKER71) writes:
>
> > I often see spells that contain the words "by the power of three
> > times three..." in the incantation. What does the phrase mean?
>
> I am aware of "The Universal Rule Of Three" (also known as
> "The Threefold Law Of Return"):
> 'Good actions (and ill actions) are returned threefold'.
>
> A favorite quotation:
> "I have told you once, I have told you twice,
> What I tell you three times is true ..."
> -The Hunting Of The Snark
>
> 3 * 3 = 9, an equation with an interpretation of its own.
In Christian magick grimoires -- e.g. in "The Long Lost Friend" by
Johann Georg Hohmann -- the power of the Trinity is customarily invoked
== Father, Son, Holy Ghost -- and these are sometimes reduced to a
formula when orally recounting a spell: "Say the 3 Powerful Names" or
"Do this in the 3 Highest Names."
Then we have the so-called Triple Goddess, fostered by Jungians in the
20th century and adopted in much of the neo-pagan culture.
"The power of 3 times 3" almost seems to me like an faniciful attempt to
multiply 3 Juedo-Christian deities by 3 pagan European deities. It seems
modern, spurious, and fictional, but kinda nice.
9 -- not always as 3 times 3; usually just as straight-up 9 -- occurs in
hundreds of African and African-American spells. One could say that
whereas 3 and 7 are the sacred and "lucky" numers of European-derived
magic, 9 is the number of primacy in African-derived magic.
And the power of 3 times 3 does occur *physically* -- but not spoken --
in at least one class of African American hoodoo spell: The spell
employs 9 needles (or 9 pins) and the root worker pins them in cloth in
3 double-crosses (2 pins crosseed by 1 pin in an X form). This spell is
usually worked for love-drawing. Agan, the working is *physical* and
there is no *spoken* mention of "the power of 3 times 3."
Hope this helps,
cat yronwode
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Pearlz
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, catherine yronwode wrote:
>
> In Christian magick grimoires -- e.g. in "The Long Lost Friend" by
> Johann Georg Hohmann -- the power of the Trinity is customarily invoked
> == Father, Son, Holy Ghost -- and these are sometimes reduced to a
> formula when orally recounting a spell: "Say the 3 Powerful Names" or
> "Do this in the 3 Highest Names."
Now that you mention it, that's probably why Novenas use a 3x3 formula.
- Pearlz
mika
> Sounds like Charmed.
That's because sometimes the Charmed dialogue and sets are loosely
based on Wiccan magick.
cock
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I know that. It was a wiseass comment. Still sounds hokey to me, though.
Blazin' Tommy D.
Mother progeny - the Shamrock, &c.
There is some wives tale that if you throw a spell at someone whatever the
effect happens to you three times - e.g., you want some guy to scream in
agony everytime he takes a shit, your asshole turns into steak
tar-tar(splng?)
Otherwise cat mentions cube, square root thing by virtue of what I've said
to begin with. Otherwise I have no idea.
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Blazin' Tommy D.
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Blazin' Tommy D.
concept of "last clear chance" - e.g., 'okay blackie we got ya cornered,
this is your, last chance, to come out with your hands up . . .'
In learning Macrobiotics I was told that a rice plant yields 10 fold.
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TREKKER71
received that actually gives me an answer based on the Wiccan principles. It
actually makes sense to me. Thank you.
Mike Bandy
> purpose.
Not wanting to say the words without a firm comprehension of the
meaning is highly commendable. My post is not written by one with the
erudition of Cat. Neither does it contain original thoughts, as did
Mika's post. However, I'd like to add some background information
which I feel is missing from this thread.
Ka
flames from this.
I bought my latest ritual tool because of some of these 3 symbolisms.
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Ka
> > "[F]or as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
> > so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
> > the earth." Matthew 12:40 (KJV).
> >
*Wasn't it 2 days(Chokmah) and 3 nights(Binah) though? I find it interesting
He rose on a Sun-day.
Ka
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Scrap that. Maybe it was 2 nights and 3 days?
Karipidu
Richard Ballard
MikeB...@hotmail.com (Mike Bandy) writes:
>Three points are necessary for the simplest geometric figure.
>From this it follows that three is symbolic of completion.
In terms of structural integrity a triangle is rigid -- you
cannot compress a triangle without deforming its members.
No other geometric figure (four-sided square, five-sided
pentagon, ..., infinite-sided circle) has this structural
rigidity and strength characteristic.
Karipidu
>On Friday Christ gave up the spirit. This is one day. The entire
>Sabbath (Savato) He was in the tomb; after this there is the evening.
>As Sunday dawned He rose from the grave, and this is a day. For
>on whatever hour of the day one falls asleep, you count the next
>day separately, and the following one from earliest dawn you
>consider to be the third day.
>
>"After eight days Christ appeared a second time to his disciples."
In the Old Testament and especially in those passages which
are related to the creation of man, God is represented as speaking
in the plural and carrying on dialogue with other persons. For
instance: "Let us make man according to our image...", "behold
Adam has be come as one of us", "come let us descend and there
confound their tongues". These passages and others such as the
Trisagion (Thrice-Holy) Hymn of the Prophet Isaiah in which is
repeated thrice the "Holy, Holy, Holy Lord Sabbaoth" certainly
indicate the triune character of the Godhead.
In the New Testament, Christ after His Resurrection, in sending
forth His Apostles to preach, gave them the commandment to
baptize those who believe "in the name of the Father and the Son
and the Holy Spirit" (Matth. 28, 19). The Evangelist St. John
confirms that "there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the World, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"
(I John 5,7).
