visualisation and the PC..
Smaug19
changing the ways our entire civilisation is visualising,
The incredible rize in the importance of graphics and imagery, companies are
impressing on us very powerfull imagery to sell their products,
it's not just subliminal messaging it is changing the way people see and
experiecne, Add to this the power which any pc can give to a perone, now
everyone can visualisatie their own place of power with the help of their
computer and some graphics package, or even a computer game,
people are being thought thru the computer and internet to create their own
unique power place and share their deeply personal powers of visulaisation
tot the world.. Doesn't matter if it's just a edited picture of them and
theri dogs or any old thing..
The power of your computer is ubeleivably magickal an powerfull,
Take for isntance the old hindu and eastern teachings of imagining vishnu
where the wise people would start of their teaching with a visualisation of
vishnu (or any other god, this is as you know a universal theme), this
visualisation would expand from the infintely smallest detail. over the
years the adept would expand his visualisation to cover the entire vision of
vishnu.
This is one of the reasons for the incrdible detail in eastern statuettes,
The power of any idol, to visualise your world , your god,,etc..
We don't have any Idols anymore, but everyone has a PC with its immense
potential for visualisations..
Why do people get addicted to just working with computers, i would say
enchanted with the concept of it ,
the incredible potential of he device itself.,.,
Everything is pointing towards a immense change in human thinking,
everybody's tlking of he new economy, third wave, information age,, but it's
the age old trick of visualisation,,
Smaug19
David Blue
have something too do with why I thought this would be a cool newsgroup.
21st century network magic and all. Keep coming back, it works if you work
it (and there's a lack of interesting new opinions around here; mine for
example, is interesting but old and tired)
Dave
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SUjv55555
>changing the ways our entire civilisation is visualising,
>
Well of course! The computer is based upon the beginnings of ideas that began
on the Astral plane to begin with, right? As above, so below.
Sooner or later this thing had to manifest. Too many humans put too much
energy into the visualization of something internet-ish in the first place for
it not to have happened.
So, not only has the computer become a good place to make certain things
manifest (conversations, information, newsletters) but it is a manifestation of
generations of humans playing on the Astral. The Internet IS the physical
manifestation of the Astral.
As for advertising, all we need to do is to realize that it's just another
(stupider?) layer of the dominant paradigm, and the smarter folk get beyond it.
Those who actually fall for the hard sell are those who deserve to waste their
money on it. I choose to ignore all advertising, avoid corporate products when
possible.
Agape,
Sienna
**PERVERT THE DOMINANT PARADIGM!**
David Blue
the article "Cyber Angel Definition"; you'd dig it.
Dave
Perverting any paradigm I can
Smaug19
the entire power off the internet is related to and sharing.. expanding
awarness and sharing..
But I was trying to go past the communication bit, That's a related
subject, but not the point i was trying to make..
Maybe I should Introduce myself, a bit,, I am by trade an Interaction
Designer..
(you could say Multimedia designer, but the would be a bit derrogative)..SO
i've had this interest in things magickal and metaphysical also ..
I've recently been inspired with the power the thing I work on can have. I
don't mean the thing I myself make, they are yust a part of it. It mean the
general power of decided for people's actions..This is what a interface
does..You'r windows of Mac or whatever .. interface is build on assumptions
of your state of mind, possible actions etc..
This is rapidly becoming, undoable, Everybody get's mad at their PC's
because of it's lack of flexibility in relation to You the User.
The distinctions between personality and PC or the Tools you use is a
critical bottleneck in Information Technologie design..
companies like microsoft needing to know what you do and who you are, it
isn't just dangerous it's also a neccesity to take this creation of the
digital man on to the next step..
So any interaction between you and your tool for the digital reality has to
be as fluent as can be ..This is the trend and the neccesity.
The merge wil continue. the way people use computers and all of the
information technology will become more second nature. (look at your kids)
the powers of sharing and expanding this "visualisation of something
internetish" is not the most dramatic thing. It was to be expected , just
extrapolate the last 1000 of years.. this is one part of the story..
What is the result of this what did it give us , it has given us only a
marginal metaphysical change, it just boosted the nominal level..
Art is inherently a magickal pursuit , to confine and abstract the world
onto canvas or any other controllable medium..
To open your eyes is to draw.. This thing we call Art has been the most
mainstream form of accepted magick , since the end of the church etc,,,
What does this mean in relationship to this other part of the Information
revolution..and to the way we interact with the digital reality..
Which is a neccesity. This interation will be Art as art is recreation and
abstraction of the world (the inner and outer).
This is the most fluid form of interaction, to visualise is to interact with
information, you build the representation of some bit of information (call
it magick, art, science, doens't ,matter). This is what i meant with the
power of this computer. I am a skilled worker a craftsman rather than an
artist I know how to make the visualisation powers of my computer to work
for me. I have extracted the information which I had visualised mentally to
a tangible medium.. This craftsmanship( for lack of any better word) is
rapidly becoming irrelevant, people younger are getting there faster,,
the've will grow up with this fluid form of expression ,, of control of the
world.. This is no Longer a God Game or something, we don't control any
virtual sim cities but our virtual world, It doesn't matter
we're only shoving around bits and bytes. Every day is a new step towards
a digital union between, epxression, visualisation and control of our
world..
What does this mean, magickaly , I pose to you.?
David Blue <dave...@mindspring.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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David Blue
Sienna555
>critical bottleneck in Information Technologie design..
>companies like microsoft needing to know what you do and who you are, it
>isn't just dangerous it's also a neccesity to take this creation of the
>digital man on to the next step..
I don't see how their knowing my private information will help them any more
than asking people to honestly give that information at Will. It isn't the
fact that they don't need that info, it's that there are better ways - less
privacy-invading ways - to get it than bugging my PC with a tracking device.
That just treads a little too hard on my Will.
>So any interaction between you and your tool for the digital reality has to
>be as fluent as can be ..This is the trend and the neccesity.
>The merge wil continue. the way people use computers and all of the
>information technology will become more second nature. (look at your kids)
So, like any tool, we must utilize it carefully. Look at what happened to
nuclear power, pesticides, and hormones for beef. We need to deal with this
tool even more carefully than the ones that came before it.
>the powers of sharing and expanding this "visualisation of something
>internetish" is not the most dramatic thing. It was to be expected , just
>extrapolate the last 1000 of years.. this is one part of the story..
On this I agree.
>What is the result of this what did it give us , it has given us only a
>marginal metaphysical change, it just boosted the nominal level..
I disagree strongly. It has jumped the speed of the evolution of humanity to
something amazing. If you consider that all humans are parts of the whole, and
that communication between cells of the body are most important to keep the
body alive, then you see that this mere communication tool DOES allow us to
evolve and act more quickly than we previously could, as a species.
This appears to be a textbook case of evolution, especially when you include
other recent historical events, such as the introduction of hallucinogens to
the societal structure, and the rise of corporate dominance, not to mention the
cellular effects of ecological disasters everywhere.
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>Art is inherently a magickal pursuit , to confine and abstract the world
>onto canvas or any other controllable medium..
Confine? When I draw, I think of the viewer, and what I want that viewer to
see.
>To open your eyes is to draw.. This thing we call Art has been the most
>mainstream form of accepted magick , since the end of the church etc,,,
Oh yeah, right along with Music, (unless you include Music as Art.)
>What does this mean in relationship to this other part of the Information
>revolution..and to the way we interact with the digital reality.
It means that we must not take it for granted, use it against each other, use
it to spoil the earth, or use it to conquer peoples financially or
geographically. In other words, this tool has the capacity to be used to help
as well as harm. It is up to those of us who understand this to make sure it
does more good than harm.
Agape,
Sienna
Smaug19
> I don't see how their knowing my private information will help them any
more
> than asking people to honestly give that information at Will. It isn't
the
> fact that they don't need that info, it's that there are better ways -
less
> privacy-invading ways - to get it than bugging my PC with a tracking
device.
> That just treads a little too hard on my Will.
Point taken, and agreed.
I was trying to explain why any company must try to get into the mind of
its user base..
this is in my view merelely a substitute for a time when using a computer
will be the same as drawing your own world..
instead of participating in someone elses .. this is the new user
interface.. and because they can't give this unique abiltie to everyone
yet..(because technological and socail causes) they need to get as far as
they can, which is never far enough as I am not them , and vica versa..
It won't be them tracking you , it will be you creating whatever you see on
the screen or any other device..
This is the change which i was talking about.. total control of your digital
surrounding, and this with increasing effortlessness,..
>So, like any tool, we must utilize it carefully. Look at what happened to
>nuclear power, pesticides, and hormones for beef. We need to deal with
this
>tool even more carefully than the ones that came before it.
Yes.. off course, but having a thing means using it, it will cannot be
denied to the masses.. the power a computer power user gets is getting
distributed to the rest of us as fast it can..
So the masses will see the power of their own visoins.. it will become an
integral part of life and digital life..
So this is dangerous , Yes..
But there is an inherent balance to these things ,, people won't come around
to it , as masses are always self protective..
For every dangerous technolgie their as always been a counter response from
the masses.. and the masses rule..
society is a tough nut to crack..
But now for the first time entire societies have embraced this new thing. If
it becomes threatening it will stop it..
Have you noticed how easlily we have alle ended up in this future ., it is
absurd. No 3rd world war. no end of economy,,
And the masses have followed.
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>I disagree strongly. It has jumped the speed of the evolution of humanity
to
>something amazing. If you consider that all humans are parts of the whole,
and
>hat communication between cells of the body are most important to keep the
>body alive, then you see that this mere communication tool DOES allow us to
>evolve and act more quickly than we previously could, as a species.
>This appears to be a textbook case of evolution, especially when you
include
>other recent historical events, such as the introduction of hallucinogens
to
>the societal structure, and the rise of corporate dominance, not to mention
the
>cellular effects of ecological disasters everywhere.
As I tried to make clear, this is something else, powerfull but not enough
on its own.. Coummunications have speeded up things , enhanced us, but too
many people see it still as an expansion not a replacment or something
totaly unique and new... And it won't ,, we've got too many e-bays , amazons
yahoo's, time warner/Aol's to see the light .. Where is this new man when
you go to the supermarket,,
The internet and communication is step one towards the new world.. it is not
the greatest breakthrough, It and the rest of the world need to evolve a
little bit further, and this next step is what I was talking of..
Smaug19
I was talking purely about the visual and musical expressive powers of this
tool..