6th and 7th Books of Moses (H Gamache)
nagasiva
>There was like half year ago website, where was ReAL texts from Moses's 6th
>and 7th books.Not translated. Real. Where can i find them???And the
>Conjurations too, which sometimes are not shown.
this one
has the conjurations, from what i can see. i would
imagine that most of them in print right now do,
but will be curious to find out which do not. thanks.
nagasiva
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"news-europe.giganews.com" <ho...@fsdfa.ff>:
> There was like half year ago website,
> where was ReAL texts from Moses's 6th
> and 7th books.
were they the originals? or were they copies?
> Not translated. Real. Where can i find them???
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=6th+7th+moses&btnG=Google+Search
> And the Conjurations too, which sometimes
> are not shown.
I'll look in the next one i run across and see
if they are in this book and detail how they
are not in some of them if i can determine it. :)
that these are called both satanic and magical
is an intriguing intersection.
nagasiva
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nagasiva <yronwode.com@nagasiva>:
>has the conjurations, from what i can see. i would
>imagine that most of them in print right now do,
>but will be curious to find out which do not. thanks.
more Satanism! :
In Sweden and Finland these books are compiled
and published under the titles, "Den Svarta
Bibeln" and "Musta Raamattu", respectively,
meaning "The Black Bible".
Ibid., wiki
'the black bible' is a hefty key term set in modern
Satanism.
tyaginator
tyaginator
sorry. here, have a lob of uncertain information on it.
"news-europe.giganews.com" <ho...@fsdfa.ff>:
> There was like half year ago website, where was ReAL texts
> from Moses's 6th and 7th books.Not translated. Real.
> Where can i find them??? And the Conjurations too,
> which sometimes are not shown.
here's my easiest-found datafile on the Books of Moses:
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Orig-From: catherine yronwode <c...@luckymojo.com>
Orig-To: alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.orisha
Orig-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:54:32 -0800
>From email:
> The magickal text known as the "6th and 7th Books of Moses",
> as you know, seems highly thought of in hoodoo and pow wow
> circles. Am I missing something? I have, and have perused, both the
> red-bound pamphlet style version and Migene Gonzalez-Wippler's moden
> re-working...and the book STILL makes no sense to me in terms of
> practical usage of the Seals and verbal incantations within.
"The 6th and 7th Books of Moses" dates back several hundred years; The
material first appeared in widespread print in Germany, as far as i
know; it is said to be of Jewish origin, but only spuriously attributed
to the Moses of Bible fame. The "pamphlet" version you refer to is a
late 19th or early 20th century English-language translation of the most
commonly-encountered German pamphlet edition. The Gonzalez-Whippler
"re-working" is, in my opinion, of the same quality as her Santeria
books; that is, it is not worth the paper it is printed on.
> Am I supposed to believe that working-class, often sparsely educated
> Hoodoo Workers did all the elaborate preparations and rituals therein
> -- if, indeed, they could make head or tail of the text?
Well, you are not "supposed" to believe that, but it happens to be true.
"The 6th and 7th Books of Moses" is one of many Jewish Kabbalistic texts
that long ago found favour with African-American root workers and
Pennsylvania Dutch hexmeisters....
> The occult store I go to sells the Seals on parchment paper, in red
> ink, but the clerk I asked about it got cagey in a way which suggested
> evasion and ignorance about equally. So, is there some "initiatory
> mystery" around the information in the 67BM, or is it an exercise in
> occultist bafflegab like I suspect the Voudun Gnostic Workbook
> to be, or am I just dense?
I cannot speak for the knowledge-level of the store clerk whom you
encountered, but i can assure you that, in my opinion, and to the best
of my knowledge:
1) There is no "initiatory mystery" connected to "The 6th and 7th
Books of Moses."
2) "The 6th and 7th Books of Moses" is NOT "an exercise in occultist
bafflegab" -- it is a genuine European grimoire....
> After all, the book's name _does_ carry a famous aura in the realm of
> practical magick, and if it's as powerful as the lore suggests, I'd
> like to access it. Any leads in this direction, or personal insights,
> would be appreciated.
I suggest that in order to understand "The 6th and 7th Books of Moses,"
you familiarize yourself with how it fits into the context of other
Jewish and Christian grimoires of the same era -- for instance, the
material reprinted at the end of Henri Gamache's collection called "The
8th, 9th, and 10th Books of Moses" (the part originally published as
"The Sword of Moses"), "The Black Pullet," and other texts that can be
found in good English translations in the scholarly collections
assembled by Arthur Edward Waite. A cheap reprint pamphlet that contains
some of Waite's material is "The Book of Talismans," which is handled by
many occult suppliers who cater to people on limited budgets who cannot
afford the more costly Waite books.
Speaking of Gamache's "8th, 9th, and 10th Books of Moses" -- i find it
to be a lot more inexplicable and item than the better-known "6th and
7th Books of Moses" because almost 2/3 of it consists of Gamache's
personal Afro-centric musings about spiritual and cultural connections
between Biblical Jews and black Africans and African=-Americans. This
material -- in particular the claim that Moses was "the Great Voodoo Man
of the Bible" -- is not about magic per se, but it reveals a lot about
both Gamache and about the time in which it was written (the 1940s, just
as the Civil Rights movement was getting underway) -- in particular, it
is enlightening to compare Gamache's Semito-phillic theories with those
of the *anti*-Semitic Afro-centrist Elijah Muhammed. All that aside, the
last part of the book is the only cheap source for the "Sword of Moses"
grimoire material in English, and so i receommend it fairly highly to
students of such lore....
Cordially,
catherine yronwode
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Orig-From: cc...@psicorps.com (Peer Vasne Fandum)
Orig-To: alt.magick.tyagi
Orig-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:31:25 GMT
There are other books of Moses of gnostic origin. Quote: "called
'eighth' or 'holy'", labelled PGM XIII.1-343 and PGM XIII. 343-646 of
the Leiden Papyri. Reference:
Papyri Graecae Magicae. Die Griechischen Zauberpapyri, 2 vols. ed. K.
Preisendanz, et al. (Stuttgart: Teubner, 1973-74).
In the PGM, the rites are definitely initiatory, and not very
sorcery/talismanic oriented.
The PGM is hardcore gnosticism. Pretty anti-jewish and at most
pseudo-kabalistic....
Sounds interesting. Is there a version online?
[ try http://www.athenaeum.asiya.org/Sixth_Book_of_Moses.pdf
or www.hermetics.org/pdf/grimoire/The_6th_and_7th_Book_of_Moses.pdf
-- tyaginator 2008/01/16]
Enigmatically yours,
M.Y. Shri Peer Vasne Fandum
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Orig-From: eh...@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael McCord)
Orig-To: alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic
Orig-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:55:09 -0400
It's been around for a while....seems to be a favorite of the
Santarians. We have many requests for it from people from the Caribbean
islands. (WE= the Hungry Eye in Ottawa) I've seen it in 2 incarnations,
the most recent is still printed on old style printing presses...it's a
small printing company. "The trade" usually means booksellers, though
in this case it may mean the "occult" trade...the company prints only
occult titles AFAIK.
There is also the 8th, 9th and 10th Books of Moses, but the one you have
is the best to use. It's used much the same way as "The Greater Key of
Solomon the King" (or the lesser key book, for that matter).
Kathryn Rogers:
> I have a very curious book which has been in my possession since the 70's.
> It's called:
>
> The Sixth and Seventh BOOKS OF MOSES; or MOSES' MAGICAL SPIRIT-ART,
> KNOWN AS THE WONDERFUL ARTS
> of the old wise Hebrews, Taken from the Mosaic Books of the Cabala and the
> Talmud, For the good of mankind.
>
> Translated from The German, Word for Word, according to Old Writings.
> with numerous engravings,
>
> PUBLISHED FOR THE TRADE
> printed in U.S.A.
>
> Translated from the Ancient Hebrew
>
> There is no date, no author, no publisher.
>
> What "trade" would this be for?
>
> It is filled with seals and invocations. It starts:
>
> MAGIA ALBA ET NIGRA UNIVERSALIS SEU NECROMANTIA
>
> also:
>
> BIBLIA, ARCANA MAGICA ALEXANDER,
>
> It also lists The Psalms and the many purposes to which they may be applied.
> Such as spells.
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Orig-From: "John M Hansen" <jmha...@erols.com>
Orig-To: alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic
Orig-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:27:20 -0400
This book is still in print.
The Latin reads: Magia = 'Magic white and black also necromancy'
Biblia etc. = (Book of the Hidden Magic of Alexander (the Great))
The book is a poor English translation of a book first published in
German in the 1700's
Regards,
John M Hansen
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today wiki says:
Published as volume 6 of "Bibliothek der Zauber-Geheimniss-
und Offenbarungs-Bucher, etc." in 1849 in Stuttgart by
antiquarian Johann Scheible, these books contain numerous
allegedly magical spells used to summon spirits to do the
will of the conjourer. Although these are allegedly
Kabbalistic in nature, there is very little or no
influence of Kabbala within the pages. The texts are
allegedly translated from a text written in the
Cuthan-Samaritan language, a language considered extinct
since the 12th century. No manuscripts older than 1849
are to be found, and the claimed origin must be regarded
pseudepigraphic and spurious.
The included pictures of the "seals" consist of various
stylized symbols surrounded pseudo-hebrew and pseudo-latin
phrases and letters. The Latin language wasn't spoken in
the area of Judea where Moses lived. The pictures of the
seals are therefore by necessity of different origin than
what is claimed.
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from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_and_Seventh_Books_of_Moses
accessed 1/16/08
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