BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
Nick
BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
The reason why I am writing this is because the owner of Brushwood
in Sherman, NY Frank Barney has gotten very greedy in the past few
years. It all started with kicking out food vendors that Frank did not
like because of his greed for money.
Let's start with Fred Buck from Magicrafts..he had very good
vegetarian food and had attended many Starwood events.. Frank gave them
the boot because Brushwood wanted all the profits. Remeber Gene and his
daughters who ran the coffehouse cafe a few years back??? Again Frank
Barney saw an opportunity to give them the boot. Let's not mention the
folks who ran the pagan 7-11 a few years ago...they were also kicked off
the land after ACE siad it was ok for them to be there...
Boycott Brushwood and support REAL Pagan events... Better yet
organize local festivals in your area. Smaller gatherings are more
personal and think locally. The price for Starwood has gotten outrageous
and it all goes in Frank Barney greedy pocket....
Sure there are lots of vendors there but they all sell books, etc.
Frank makes sure he gets a piece of the action wherever he can.
Peace,
Nick
tre...@ncweb.com
Nick wrote:
This guy is a liar who was thrown off of Brushwood for his questionable
personal practices.
The food situation at Brushwood is the result of the policies of the NY
state health department. Every food vendor would be required to be fully
licensed and meet health dept regs. Since neither Brushwood nor ACE (the
folks who run Starwood)care to track all that, it has been simpler to
limit food vendors to a few professionals. Incidentally, Brushwood does
not have a monopoly on food at Starwood.
Starwood *is* pretty expensive ($120 dollars in advance, this year) but
the vast majority of the money goes to pay for our extensive program.
This includes tickets for 4 or 5 folks from California, professional
speakers fees for folks like Ralph Metzger and Steven Gaskin, fees for
the 15 or so bands that will be there, a fully-staged laser show, etc.
No other festival gives the value for the dollar that Starwood does. In
the end, the event organizers (ACE) and Brushwood split about 35% of the
gate between them, with the rest going for expenses.
Boycotting Starwood is the best way to miss the premier event of the
year, and boycotting Brushwood serves only to discourage a team that has
been building a Pagan festival site to suite for the past ten years.
I'd suggest ignoring this loser's sour grapes, and coming to Starwood.
Ian
> BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
>
> The reason why I am writing this is because the owner of Brushwood
> in Sherman, NY Frank Barney has gotten very greedy in the past few
> years. It all started with kicking out food vendors that Frank did not
> like because of his greed for money.
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> Nick
tre...@ncweb.com
For the whole story on this year's Starwood, have a look around at
Steve
On Wed, 27 May 1998 tre...@ncweb.com wrote:
> Nick wrote:
> This guy is a liar who was thrown off of Brushwood for his questionable
> personal practices.
>
> The food situation at Brushwood is the result of the policies of the NY
> state health department. Every food vendor would be required to be fully
> licensed and meet health dept regs. Since neither Brushwood nor ACE (the
> folks who run Starwood)care to track all that, it has been simpler to
> limit food vendors to a few professionals. Incidentally, Brushwood does
> not have a monopoly on food at Starwood.
>
> Starwood *is* pretty expensive ($120 dollars in advance, this year) but
> the vast majority of the money goes to pay for our extensive program.
> This includes tickets for 4 or 5 folks from California, professional
> speakers fees for folks like Ralph Metzger and Steven Gaskin, fees for
> the 15 or so bands that will be there, a fully-staged laser show, etc.
> No other festival gives the value for the dollar that Starwood does. In
> the end, the event organizers (ACE) and Brushwood split about 35% of the
> gate between them, with the rest going for expenses.
>
> Boycotting Starwood is the best way to miss the premier event of the
> year, and boycotting Brushwood serves only to discourage a team that has
> been building a Pagan festival site to suite for the past ten years.
>
> I'd suggest ignoring this loser's sour grapes, and coming to Starwood.
>
> Ian
Ian,
I can't add anything more to your post...you've echoed my sediment. I've
spent a lot of time at Brushwood - off and on season - and not only does
Frank and Darlene exemplify the 'spirit' of what it means to be pagan -
they have never left me with the impression I was not welcomed - nor that
I wasn't able contribute an idea or two.
Brushwood is a commercial, cultural folklore camp-ground - few exist and
many that do, do not compare with the facilities Brushwood offers. It's
logistically - a nightmare and stressful - to accomodate large events like
Starwood as well as maintaining good relations with the community that
exists around Brushwood. Frank has gone to great lengths to maintain a
'positive' influence for the pagan community in a predominantly
'Christian' region of Western New York - he should be applauded and
supported for operating a 'Pagan' Folklore Center who maintains good
relations with his non-pagan neighbors - something that's not talked a lot
about in a positive manner on these newsgroups. This is one business in
Rural America that has worked successfully - why shouldn't he be allowed
to run it they way he feels is necessary? He's demonstrated that he is not
a fly-by-night operation and is committed to Pagans (of many different
paths) in the community, the community of Western New York and to the
success of Pagan entrepreneurs in both your Country and mine (which is
Canada).
It makes me sick to hear from these types of people - to destroy
everything people in the pagan community have worked so hard to build. I'm
one person who is proud of the 'association' I've had with Frank and
Darlene Barney specifically, and Brushwood generally! And I will
definitely be 'patronizing' Brushwood in the future - it has a spirit
there that has given me so much - a place to explore, plus I'd have never
met you, Ian, or the lovely Sue, if I hadn't been at Brushwood!
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it there this year - not on-season
anyway! So our little discussions and banterings will have to wait another
time! :-(
You're right...the guy who posted that clap-trap is a loser!
Steve
azi...@interlog.com
Brushwood can be found at:
Nick
I hate to break the news to you but Frank and Darlene will lie,
slander,anyone who speaks the truth aginst them. Why not call up and
talk with all the many people who have been given the boot???
Like I said in my earlier post support any pagan gathering
except anything at Brushwood including Starwood. All they care about is
how much money THEY can make.
Nick
Nick
Ian,
The vast majority of the money goes into Frank and Darlene's pockets.
Nothing at Brushwood or Starwood is run on group consensus. In addition
to the fact that Frank is homophobic I encourage all gays and lesbians
to boycott the event.
Nick
Tales1n
This is all just very sad. I hope the fest I attend never gets
bogged down in this sort of petty politicking.
--
Talesin- The Bad Boy of Witchcraft (tm)
"The most beloved character on Pagan UseNet"
Don't like my posts? Then go to alt.religion.wicca.moderated
Tom Schuler
Tales1n wrote in message <356CBD4F...@aol.com>...
> This is all just very sad. I hope the fest I attend never gets
>bogged down in this sort of petty politicking.
Keep hoping. I've been to many such events and they have a huge amount of
politics laced all through them.
Nick
> BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
>
> The reason why I am writing this is because the owner of Brushwood
> in Sherman, NY Frank Barney has gotten very greedy in the past few
> years. It all started with kicking out food vendors that Frank did not
> like because of his greed for money.
>
Nick
> BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
>
> The reason why I am writing this is because the owner of Brushwood
> in Sherman, NY Frank Barney has gotten very greedy in the past few
> years. It all started with kicking out food vendors that Frank did not
> like because of his greed for money.
>
> Let's start with Fred Buck from Magicrafts..he had very good
> vegetarian food and had attended many Starwood events.. Frank gave them
> the boot because Brushwood wanted all the profits. Remeber Gene and his
> daughters who ran the coffehouse cafe a few years back??? Again Frank
> Barney saw an opportunity to give them the boot. Let's not mention the
> folks who ran the pagan 7-11 a few years ago...they were also kicked off
>
> Boycott Brushwood and support REAL Pagan events... Better yet
> organize local festivals in your area. Smaller gatherings are more
> personal and think locally. The price for Starwood has gotten outrageous
> and it all goes in Frank Barney greedy pocket....
>
> Sure there are lots of vendors there but they all sell books, etc.
After posting my original thoughts on all of this I recieved an e mail
from a fellow pagan in NYC who was also asked to leave with no
explanations. It seems Frank and Darlene have their own little witch
hunts going on..
>
> Peace,
>
> Nick
Nick
tre...@ncweb.com
Nick wrote:
>
> Ian,
>
> The vast majority of the money goes into Frank and Darlene's pockets.
Nick, you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're lying
deliberately. Brushwood makes about $30 K from admissions at Starwood,
which must be used to pay for maintenance and improvements, as well as
to pay staff, who also get boarded for the summer.
They do make a good bit on the food concessions. (I have no idea about
the numbers there.) But the NY state health rules make it difficult to
run a food service there that is legal. You were unable or unwilling to
do so, that's *one of* the reasons you were thrown out.
> Nothing at Brushwood or Starwood is run on group consensus.
That's right. Both Starwood and Brushwood are private efforts, run for
profit by a small group of dedicated people. (In terms of Starwood, the
same gang has run it from the outset, years before we were at
Brushwood.) That goes for Pagan Spirit Gathering, Rites of Spring and
most other large Pagan events as well. Decisions are made by the owners
and operators of the event, and of the site.
>In addition
> to the fact that Frank is homophobic I encourage all gays and lesbians
> to boycott the event.
This is simply a lie. Starwood hosts a large number of Fairy Men, (one
of the camping areas is traditionally called the Fairy Woods, and they
don't mean tinkerbelle) has GLTB programing, and welcomes folks of every
sexual preference, within the bounds of law.
> Nick
PLease go away, or learn to speak truth.
Ian Corrigan
tre...@ncweb.com
Nick wrote:
>
> I hate to break the news to you but Frank and Darlene will lie,
> slander,anyone who speaks the truth aginst them. Why not call up and
> talk with all the many people who have been given the boot???
That number may have reached a half-dozen in the 8 years or so that
Brushwood has existed. Frank has always had good reasons in every case,
and has never made those reasons public, or made any effort to further
interfere with those few folks. But I can't imagine that they would have
anything good to say about him. Then there are folks like Nick, who will
take up a specific campaign of lies to get revenge.
> Like I said in my earlier post support any pagan gathering
> except anything at Brushwood including Starwood. All they care about is
> how much money THEY can make.
Actually, what Starwood cares about is building the very best Pagan and
alternative program of any festival in North America. To do so we spend
3 to 4 times as much money on speakers, tech and staff as we take home.
> Nick
Ian Corrigan
gates
In article <356F0A...@geocities.com>, Nick <nicks...@geocities.com>
writes
>> BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
>>
>> The reason why I am writing this is because the owner of Brushwood
>> in Sherman, NY Frank Barney has gotten
> After posting my original thoughts on all of this I recieved an e mail
>from a fellow pagan in NYC who was also asked to leave with no
>explanations. It seems Frank and Darlene have their own little witch
>hunts going on..
Im afraid this all to often happens... you help folks out and within
months they can do it themselves and take over when they see a good
thing. My advise is to let them do what they want.. whilst they are
running the food, they can't be runnning a magic stall can they... or
they can't be else where. My other advise is to take and cook your own
food. They will then either get fed up and think it not worth doing and
then let someone else do it or at least they'll be standing around for
trade that won't arrive. Hit em deep!
Beth
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Nick
(beth or les or fludd or keeper) @gates.demon.co.uk
Beth Thompson
BM: Gates of Annwn
London WC1N 3XX, U.K. Pagan Contact Magazine
44+(0)1708 863080 (answerphone may operate)
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Joseph
On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 Nick wrote:
> > Nothing at Brushwood or Starwood is run on group consensus.
I bet that's why they've managed to actually get something DONE for so
many years...
- J:.M:.555
Nick
Ian Corrigan is one of the organizers of Starwood so he will say
anything to make them look good. However if you have been a victim to
Brushwood Folklore people you will be physically attacked and removed
by their security force. I also have a report at the county sherrif's
dept. on them as well as NY State Police.
The reason I was thrown out is because I sold food (self conatined
items, candy, soda snapple, chips, fruit and veggies.) When Frank and
Darlene Barney the owners and hosts of Starwood and Brushwood found out
they saw an opportunity to eliminate me as well as others who ran the
coffehouse and other vegetarian foods.
Again Frank has lied to you and ACE. I have ever permit required
by the state of NY. Since I own two stores and a restauraunt which deal
in food. The plain simple truth is Frank and Darlene Barney are
greedy.
Back to another issue. I have informed everyone via the radical faerie
network as to how I was treated. Starwood and Brushwood are anti-gay.
Boycott Starwoodand Brushwood and support other Pagan events.
Nick
Nick
Ian,
I have no reason to take revenge. I was emotionally and physically
hurt over how I was treated. I am just warning others as to how you
guys operate. You are not a nice person as well as others there.
It is not a safe space. Since you are the main organizer I am sure you
will say anything to make your little event look good.
Nick
Nick
I encourage everyone to Boycott Starwood and Brushwood events.
The fee for the gathering is outrageous. The way they operate is like
Hitler (Frank Barney owner of the land) giving orders to leave for
people he personally does not like. He physically has his security
force grab, beat up and throw people around. It is not a safe space.
In recent years Starwood has turned into a free for all event.
People show up to pick up women, get drunk, smoke pot and it ruins it
for the people that are there for a spiritual retreat.
Nick
Marija Kuncaitis
tre...@ncweb.com wrote in article <3572B1...@ncweb.com>...
<snip>
> That's right. Both Starwood and Brushwood are private efforts, run for
> profit by a small group of dedicated people. (In terms of Starwood, the
> same gang has run it from the outset, years before we were at
> Brushwood.) That goes for Pagan Spirit Gathering, Rites of Spring and
> most other large Pagan events as well. Decisions are made by the owners
> and operators of the event, and of the site.
WiccanFest, in Canada, is the same. It's a small group of dedicated
individuals who organize it and run it. If it was run by concensus I
seriously doubt that much stuff would get done.
I have always heard good things about Starwood and the amount of work that
is put into it's programming.
If people like Nick don't like Starwood/Brushwood, they should just not
attend.
Hope Brushwood/Starwood continues and keeps growing.
Marija
tre...@ncweb.com
gates wrote:
>
> In article <356F0A...@geocities.com>, Nick <nicks...@geocities.com>
> writes
> >> BOYCOTT STARWOOD & BRUSHWOOD EVENTS
> >>
> Snip
> Im afraid this all to often happens... you help folks out and within
> months they can do it themselves and take over when they see a good
> thing.
That's not really the case here. Starwood went years with no food
program at all, and the organizers of the event have no intention of
ever doing so. It's a real pain. We never minded if folks wanted to sell
food, though we did have problems with quality and food safety that the
organizers would inevitably have to hear about, even though they were
private ventures. The early food vendors were often more of a nuisance
to the festival than a boon, though there were good moments as well.
Starwood moved to Brushwood in its tenth year, and the process of
establishing the food deal has been somewhat rocky. Some folks just
couldn't or wouldn't meet the standards. But we're now at the point
where we have the ability to rent a 200 acre festival site built to
serve Pagan customers, where the owner just happens to want to limit the
food concession to a few vendors, though not to themselves exclusively.
There is at least one other Pagan food vendor at Starwood every year,
and some food items brought in by folks from the nearby town - a very
good thing for local relations.
One of the best things about letting the landlord have the food deal is
that it has helped to hold down the price for our guests. The rates
Starwood pays are rather under the commercial norm for the area - but
then, neither we nor our guests could afford to have Starwood at the
commercial rate. So it all works well. Folks who need to save money can
bring their own grubb, folks who want convenience can buy hot food over
the counter, with at least two menus to choose from.
All in all I think it's a bit unfortunate that we can't have a 'food
row' in our merchants' village (usually about 75 - 100 merchants), but
the safety control issues are just too great.
> Beth
Ian
For the real story on Starwood, see:
http://www.rosencomet.com
tre...@ncweb.com
Then why did you take years to start whining about it?
Why have you never made an effort to apologise and get back together
with the folks at Brushwood or ACE? Others have, and are now working
there regularly. You failed to work and play well with others, Nick, and
now you're trying to harm something good to make yourself feel better.
Find something real to do.
Ian
Incidentally, Nick is again either ignorant or lying. I am a founding
organizer of Starwood, but only one of a dozen or so who are still
active in it's work, not the main organizer. No such thing, really,
though as usual a few people do most of the real work while the rest of
us contribute what we can.
tre...@ncweb.com
Listen folks, I'm sorry that this thread is crowding your screens. But
as someone who has worked for 20 years to build the festival movement,
and Starwood in particular, It's just my little job to respond to the
occasional jerk.
If you get tired of reading this stuff, delete it. Or better yet, come
to Starwood and bitch at me about it! : )
Ian
bil
Just another note here: Frank has agreed to allow my fiancée and I to get
handfasted at brushwood this summer. And um... we're gay. So, unless Frank
thought my husband to be was a veryveryvery ugly woman, I think you're
pissing up a rope 'cuz you fell off the ladder nick..
bil
Carol M.
I attended Starwood a few summers ago and was not very impressed.
The gathering cost too much. There was a lack of hot water and
mixing a pagan gathering with sub genious revivals did not cut it.
I did however find a better time at PSG.
Carol
Bill Lewis
Folks,
I will have to agree with Nick. I have heard about Frank's
obsession to control food concessions.
Bill Lewis
Jenna
For other worth while pagan events...
check out this calendar
gates
In article <357367...@ncweb.com>, tre...@ncweb.com writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
on.. I forgot to mention that you could either stay away and not go!
However consider this - this Starwood thing has been going a good 20
years. Those that are moaning.... could you do this for 20 years?
I begger to think not - so don't critisise those that do.
BT
gates
In article <357379...@ncweb.com>, tre...@ncweb.com writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
gates
In article <357366...@ncweb.com>, tre...@ncweb.com writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
on.. I forgot to mention that you could either stay away and not go!
However consider this - this Starwood thing has been going a good 20
years. Those that are moaning.... could you do this for 20 years?
I begger to think not - so don't critisise those that do.
BT
(beth or les or fludd or keeper) @gates.demon.co.uk
gates
In article <357330...@ibm.com>, Bill Lewis <bl...@ibm.com> writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
gates
In article <35732F...@inet.net>, Carol M. <c...@inet.net> writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
gates
gates
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980601102809.7440A-100000@slip-3>, Joseph
<ma...@slip.net> writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
gates
In article <3572E4...@geocities.com>, Nick
<nicks...@geocities.com> writes
I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
gates
gates
In article <3572E3...@geocities.com>, Nick
<nicks...@geocities.com> writes
>Ian,
> I have no reason to take revenge. I was emotionally and physically
>hurt over how I was treated. I am just warning others as to how you
>guys operate. You are not a nice person as well as others there.
>It is not a safe space. Since you are the main organizer I am sure you
>will say anything to make your little event look good.
>
tre...@ncweb.com
Carol M. wrote:
>
> I attended Starwood a few summers ago and was not very impressed.
> The gathering cost too much. There was a lack of hot water and
> mixing a pagan gathering with sub genious revivals did not cut it.
> I did however find a better time at PSG.
>
> Carol
The Starwood site has developed considerably since then. There is now
plenty of hot water and other facilities (I've actually never had to
take a cold shower at Brushwood).
But if you're looking for something that's exclusively Pagan, Starwood
isn't it. We have rock and roll, left-wing politics and other social
issues, various kinds of comedy (including the subgenii) and lots more.
But the program is still more than 50% directly focused on Magick and
Paganism.
Ian
For the whole story on this year's Starwood, check:
Searles O'Dubhain
Beth,
Could you just reply once to a message and post it only once? Multiple
postings are at best a mistake in etiquette and at worst possibly an
attempt to discourage serious discussion and communication.
Is mise le mise,
Searles
gates <ga...@gates.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<MuzOyXAj...@gates.demon.co.uk>...
Steve
In alt.religion.druid tre...@ncweb.com wrote:
> Nick wrote:
> >
> > I hate to break the news to you but Frank and Darlene will lie,
> > slander,anyone who speaks the truth aginst them. Why not call up and
> > talk with all the many people who have been given the boot???
> That number may have reached a half-dozen in the 8 years or so that
> Brushwood has existed. Frank has always had good reasons in every case,
I've heard that some of the people Frank has escorted off the property
were:
1) A parole violator
2) A pervert
3) And a couple of individuals who took just a little too much liberty
with women!
Sounds like Frank has things well in control to gaurantee the safety of
those onsite which is what I expect at a private campground!
timujinn
Nick, you don't know what your talking about, go cry somewhere else.
Bear
Shez
As a matter of curiosity, and I have never been to Starwood, but do all
the concesions belong to the couple mentioned, if so it douse seem to be
somewhat odd, normaly pagan events welcome any outside catering, and
make a reasonable amount of profit by charging them for the space.
One thing I have noticed about some of the big events in Britain lately
is the prices both to attend and to eat are becoming outragiouse,
making a profit is one thing, but outdoor pagan events with camping, are
begining to cost as much as a convention at a hotel, once you add up the
extras such as food ect. in fact one day entrance to one of the bigger
events was in fact the same as entrance to a big SF con. which was held
in a major hotel.
I am now only attending the smaller events, they are just as much fun,
and the cost is not prohibitive.
Many years ago their were some great fairy fayres, semi pagan, they were
fun and whole familys would turn up, you rarely see them anymore they
priced themselves out of the market, with outragiouse entrance fees, and
highly priced foods,
the smaller people who come along and cater at reasonable prices are
needed
>>
>> Ian,
>> I have no reason to take revenge. I was emotionally and physically
>> hurt over how I was treated. I am just warning others as to how you
>> guys operate. You are not a nice person as well as others there.
>> It is not a safe space. Since you are the main organizer I am sure you
>> will say anything to make your little event look good.
>>
>> Nick
>
>Then why did you take years to start whining about it?
>
>Why have you never made an effort to apologise and get back together
>with the folks at Brushwood or ACE? Others have, and are now working
>there regularly. You failed to work and play well with others, Nick, and
>now you're trying to harm something good to make yourself feel better.
>
>Find something real to do.
>
>Ian
>
>Incidentally, Nick is again either ignorant or lying. I am a founding
>organizer of Starwood, but only one of a dozen or so who are still
>active in it's work, not the main organizer. No such thing, really,
>though as usual a few people do most of the real work while the rest of
>us contribute what we can.
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gates
In article <01bd8e30$b0eae380$53c50b26@searles>, Searles O'Dubhain
<sea...@summerlands.com> writes
>Beth,
>
>Could you just reply once to a message and post it only once? Multiple
>postings are at best a mistake in etiquette and at worst possibly an
>attempt to discourage serious discussion and communication.
Well if you hadn't realised why I did this then carry on with the
thread!
BT
>
>Is mise le mise,
>
>Searles
>
>gates <ga...@gates.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><MuzOyXAj...@gates.demon.co.uk>...
>>
>> I suggested things folks could do if they didn't like what was going
>> on.. I forgot to mention that you could either stay away and not go!
>>
>> However consider this - this Starwood thing has been going a good 20
>> years. Those that are moaning.... could you do this for 20 years?
>>
>> I begger to think not - so don't critisise those that do.
>>
>> BT
>>
>> (beth or les or fludd or keeper) @gates.demon.co.uk
>>
>> Beth Thompson
>
(beth or les or fludd or keeper) @gates.demon.co.uk
Beth Thompson
DixonMaria
Beth,
I have to agree with Searles. Were you bored or something? Gimme a break! 9
responses saying the same thing? You sounded like a broken record for awhile
there.
Moryah
Searles O'Dubhain
Typo
PJS <P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<N.060498.194211.44@winwaed>...
> On 02/06/98 07:11, in message <01bd8e30$b0eae380$53c50b26@searles>,
"Searles
> O'Dubhain" <sea...@summerlands.com> wrote:
>
> > Beth,
> >
> > Could you just reply once to a message and post it only once? Multiple
> > postings are at best a mistake in etiquette and at worst possibly an
> > attempt to discourage serious discussion and communication.
> >
> > Is mise le mise,
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PJS
On 01/06/98 15:49, in message <35732F...@inet.net>, "Carol M."
<c...@inet.net> wrote:
> I attended Starwood a few summers ago and was not very impressed.
> The gathering cost too much. There was a lack of hot water and
> mixing a pagan gathering with sub genious revivals did not cut it.
> I did however find a better time at PSG.
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Red-Jaguar
In article <N+oOGRAO67c1Ew$J...@gates.demon.co.uk>,
gates <ga...@gates.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>However consider this - this Starwood thing has been going a good 20
>years. Those that are moaning.... could you do this for 20 years?
Point being?
Just because a group has been doing a festivial for 20 years means they
never do anything wrong & there is NO room for critisim & feedback?
... ohhh PLUUHZEEE.
Having been to 'festivals' that have run longer (Pensic)
having helped run small events....
Just because you have been doing 20 years doesn't mean you do it right all
the time.
Even in the best run event, complaints happen, crisises & spats arise &
have to be dealt with.
>I begger to think not - so don't critisise those that do.
Legitimate critisim is a form of feed back.
If you fail to respond to legitimate issues/problems that arise, your
attendance will drop. (eventualy)
Jaguar
>BT
>(beth or les or fludd or keeper) @gates.demon.co.uk
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>Beth Thompson