Putty for the "LeClair" Animator
ZuttoRenAi
me? I've fooled around with many, but they do not live up to the type that came
with mine. Can someone help me?
Anata Wa Baka Desu!
jo...@josho.com
LeClair book: the lack of any useful information whatsoever about the putty
(specifically, coloring it).
I've tried using magic marker and working it into the putty, but the result
is a lot less convincing than the included putty.
While it's not unusual for an author to hold back certain details in a book so
that he/she can perform the effects better than anyone else, but I thought
it was egregiously evil of LeClair to omit the putty info.
Sorry I can't actually be of help, but I can certainly sympathize.
--Josh
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Chris Fetters
says he uses permanent ink to dye it the proper color. No mention of what
colors or amounts he uses.
Fetterz
MagkLights
>says he uses permanent ink to dye it the proper color. No mention of what
>colors or amounts he uses.
That's because each person's skin is different -- the idea is that you would
stop being lazy, go out, and experiment till you matched the color exactly for
your skin. If you don't want to put in a little time to do this, then quit
bitching and buy it from Jon.
Sorry if I seem bitter, I just can't stand how many times we see whiny
complaints about how somebody wrote something but didn't go step by step into
exact millidetails (okay, not a real word, so sue me) in how to do it.
Whatever happenned to doing stuff for yourself?
Andy Leviss
Illusionary Realities -- Live Special Effects For The New Millenium
MagkL...@aol.com
jo...@josho.com
It's one thing to say, "Everybody's skin tone is different; experiment until
you find what works."
It's quite another to avoid even a mention of what sort of coloring MEDIUM
works. Magic Marker? Fountain pen ink? Printer's ink? Watercolor paint?
Oil-based paint? Spray paint? Acrylic paint? Clothing dye? Tempera? Food
coloring?
I don't appreciate having to go out and drop bucks to buy a lot of
experimental crap, 99% of which is NOT going to work and which is going to
end up in the trash. LeClair is already charging us for the benefit of his
experience, and he could have simply told us where to BEGIN looking...just
give me the name of the medium and I can find my own damn skin tone. But
LeClair didn't even do THAT.
I wasn't looking for "millidetails" or step-by-step. But a point in the right
general direction would've been nice. If the difference is lost on you,
perhaps you ought to read the book for yourself and see what's been omitted.
Sorry if I got flecks of spittle on that self-righteous little halo of yours.
Whiny Josh
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SILKSRUS
>experimental crap, 99% of which is NOT going to work and which is going to
>end up in the trash.
Im not following this thread so am not sure what your beef is but I could not
help notice your Great attitude. Unfortunately as a manufacture that is what
we do. I don't mean just our company but everyone on the comercial end of this
business. We test, do trial and error, evaluate, compare, experiment, etc.
Some more dilligently than others but it's done. All this is done while
producing what has already been successfully built/created.
That said, let me add that anything worth having is worth working for. You may
discover some really great new improvement or process that could be your very
own secret. It could even put money back into your pocket!
POOF
Joe
Josh Mandel
If you're not following the thread, please don't deign to understand
my attitude. My attitude is developed from the snide response to a
perfectly reasonable, polite post I made regarding the complete lack
of information in "The Art of Invisible Thread" on coloring the
necessary putty.
There are areas in life in which I choose to experiment. There are
other areas in which I choose to allow somebody else to experiment for
me, for which, in return, I pay them. Such is the case when I buy a
magic book.
Certainly if I want to improve, or change, or find a new method, it's
up to me to experiment until I find something that satisfies me. I
understand that fully.
But in this case, we have an author who, either through deliberate
calculation or through oversight, gives us only PART of a method that
he claims to be revealing in full.
I frankly don't have the disposal income to go out and purchase fifty
different kinds of paints, inks, and dyes, in search of the ONE medium
that would (pardon the expression) do the trick here. Rather than
simply saying, "Try powdered paint" or "You'll need some magic
markers," I'm left clueless as to what the medium should be. I think
it's shitty of the author to force me to either buy HIS putty or
invest countless dollars and time to learn something which he claims,
but fails, to reveal in his book.
--Josh
SILKSRUS
Good point. Also I will endevor to seek some resolve for your problem. An
note your observation so as to not make the same type of error in our
published/printed material. Omission can be a real bummer.
POOF
Joe
Josh Mandel
If you can help, that'd be great.
Last night it occurred to me that another entire segment of *possible*
colorants had escaped my earlier message. Now I can think of these:
magic marker
dry ink marker
watercolor paint
oil paint
acrylic paint
tempera
spray paint
fountain pen ink
printer's ink
clothing dye
food coloring
greaspaint
liquid makeup
pancake makeup
Hmm...maybe I SHOULD go out, buy all these things, experiment, and
then write a book, "The Art of Coloring Putty." ;-)
--Josh
John LeBlanc
SILKSRUS wrote in message <19990311232917...@ng99.aol.com>...
>
>Im not following this thread so am not sure what your beef is but I could
not
>help notice your Great attitude.
Joe,
This would explain why I think your post missed the mark. (Frankly, I think
Josh restrained himself remarkably well.)
>That said, let me add that anything worth having is worth working for. You
may
>discover some really great new improvement or process that could be your
very
>own secret. It could even put money back into your pocket!
And this underscores it.
John LeBlanc
jwleblanc (at) earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jwleblanc
VapidBanal
You fucking moron, maybe you want Jon to hold your dick while you piss then tap
the head a couple of times when you're done.
You are one whiny son-of-a-bitch!
If only to shut your gaping hole, I'll tell you what to use, you cheap fuck.
Brown shoe polish.
Guess what asshole, I found that out because I experimented a little, you lazy
shit.
Use a little at a time till you get it right. Too much an you can't go
backwards, chisel-chest.
After you mix it into the putty, dick for brains, microwave it for 25 second at
a power of 80% Is that explicit enough for your weak mind to grasp.
Then when you're done, let it cool, fucknut.
If you put it in your ear right away, it'll burn.
Oh, clean the shit out of your ears first before you use it, that's why it
won't stick properly, you sorry, slack assed, wax eared, bastard.
After all that's done, get out of magic!!!!!!!!!
STOP DOING IT!!!!!!!!
>Subject: Putty for the "LeClair" Animator
>From: zutto...@aol.com (ZuttoRenAi)
>Date: 3/9/99 12:59 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990309125913...@ng114.aol.com>
>
>I"m having trouble fiding the exact type that the system uses..Can someone
>help
>me? I've fooled around with many, but they do not live up to the type that
>came
>with mine. Can someone help me?
>
>Anata Wa Baka Desu!
>
>
>
>It's one thing to say, "Everybody's skin tone is different; experiment until
you find what works."
>
>It's quite another to avoid even a mention of what sort of coloring MEDIUM
works. Magic Marker? Fountain pen ink? Printer's ink? Watercolor paint?
Oil-based paint? Spray paint? Acrylic paint? Clothing dye? Tempera? Food
coloring?
>
>I don't appreciate having to go out and drop bucks to buy a lot of
experimental crap, 99% of which is NOT going to work and which is going to
end up in the trash. LeClair is already charging us for the benefit of his
experience, and he could have simply told us where to BEGIN looking...just
give me the name of the medium and I can find my own damn skin tone. But
LeClair didn't even do THAT.
>
>I wasn't looking for "millidetails" or step-by-step. But a point in the right
general direction would've been nice. If the difference is lost on you,
perhaps you ought to read the book for yourself and see what's been omitted.
>
>Sorry if I got flecks of spittle on that self-righteous little halo of yours.
>Whiny Josh
>
>
>
mike
thanx
Chris Fetters wrote in message <7c4837$k...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>LeClair says he uses "Eberhard Faber Holdit" (Brand name) for the putty.
He
>says he uses permanent ink to dye it the proper color. No mention of what
>colors or amounts he uses.
>
>Fetterz
>
>
J&R Disbrow
VapidBanal wrote:
--
DISBROW - The Friendly Magician :) and JAY-ME The Clown
"Where Experience Counts -- and Entertainment Reigns"
http://members.aol.com/JTD0001/jrmagic.html
Josh Mandel
Thank you! Shoe polish? What an intriguing solution. I'll give it a
try.
I'll assume that the invective was a parody, and take it in that
spirit. I admit you had me going for awhile there 'til you started
using Jerky Boys material.
But just on the off chance that you were actually trying to get me to
flame you back, or to anger me, I'm sorry to disappoint you. The only
real complaint you (pretend to) have is that you think I'm whiny.
We've heard that one before. And the strings of curse words
are...well, I'm sure you chose the handle "vapidbanal" as a tip-off
that you were just speaking with a wink and a nod. Nobody would hide
behind a handle like that if they wanted to be taken seriously, right?
Yours respectfully,
Josh
MagkLights
quoted:
"I've colored the basic white putty with certain permanent inks in an attempt
to replicate Caucasian skin color . . . It is not a difficult task to create
flesh-colored putty of any skin tone using the right combination of inks. The
distinct measurements and specific colors of ink that I use to color my putty
are very personal to me. Please delight in experimenting on your own or when
the well runs dry, supplies are always available from me. The amount of putty
included with the LeClair Animator Equipment Wallet should last an average
working magician, realistically (using the recommended amoutns) in regular
performance, for over three years.
Okay, so what does he say? First, permanent inks. This eliminates most
question as of what type--common sense says you'd go with a bottle of permanent
ink from an art store--not gonna screw with markers, or any other non-permanent
dies. That much Jon says right there -- PERMANENT INK. Just add in a little
common sense and you can figure that you have to get just a bottle of ink, how
else are you going to mix it in with putty. Brand shouldn't really matter,
that only really has impact on color, which you have to decide for yourself
anyway.
What doesn't he say, than, that restricts you from finding the right color for
you? And if it's just that you don't want to buy it from him, come on, it
costs next to nothing, I think it's about $10-15 for putty and thread enough to
last at least 3 years.
And I make no claims of self-righteousness, I just said that if you're gonna be
lazy, keep it to yourself, don't bitch to us about it.
netpilot
Stone
netpilot wrote in message <36EB2399...@mc.net>...
Do you eat with that mouth. I would not consider you a magi if you use
that kind of language.
message?
Stone
Craig Patchett
>Both the language and the attitude here are completely out of line!!
Agreed. So why quote his entire message and subject us to it again?
:-)
Craig
cr...@patchett.com
VapidBanal
Got his dick caught inside a sex gadget
An inflatable doll
With thumb tip and all
Had to unstick his dick with a hachet
So our hero is dickless you see
He has to sit down when he pee's
But he practices sleights
In the mirror all night
And does childrens party's for free.