Women and why they hate magic
cianuro
you)
Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a LOT
more effective on men than women.
Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over it I
have lost count. How do you deal with it?
What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but maybe
because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think for it
to effect them in the way it effects males.
I would love to hear any other opinions on this.
cianuro
anony muzz azzole
ohhhhh that's a dodgy topic to have started old son.
methinks you'd best get your hard hat on and hit the bunkers before
the fall out starts to rain on you.. lol
Azzole!
Mitch Leary
I've been married and divorced twice, and the second one happened over
my hobbies, magic being front and center. "It's either me or your
g**damn books.!!!" My damn fine library is stil here and growing, she
isn't.
Marriage is a paradox; you think you want it until you have it. When
you're young you associate marriage with happiness and completing your
life. I was never so miserable in my entire life. So one day, in
August 1991 something snapped in my melon. I woke up, sold the house,
sold both cars, cleaned out the bank account, quit my respectabe 50k
job, divorced my bitchy old lady, and have since lead the most
peacful, solitary, HAPPY, existence imaginable. Just me, my books,
and all those tricks.
I have that elusive answer you're looking for, it took me 10 years to
fully comprehend it. I've exmined the lives of other men with hobbies
and passions and have drawn the following conclusion:
Women see mens hobbies as _threats_. In her mind she should be your
sole source of happiness and passion. If you spend one dollar or
devote one minute to anything else that makes you happy other than
her, she loaths this other interest of yours. NOTHING causes more
internal rage inside her head than for you to smile and find happiness
and enjoyent in something else...in this case magic.
Print out the above paragraph and glue it inside your close-up case,
trunk, or wherever you keep your magic.
In a divorce the first two things she'll do is clean out your bank
account, and sell whatever it is that you _covet_. With some men it's
their sports car they loved so much. I have a friend whose wife sold
his Astin-Martin Sports Car for a hundred bucks...A HUNDRED BUCKS!!!
Magic will cause no end of strife if you're in a relationship. You'll
learn quickly that you have to hide everything you buy. You'll
develope ways to skim cash, hide bonuses, change covers on books, rig
false bottoms in briefcases and book bags, and constently find
yourself daydreaming of ways to get things into the house via trickery
and subterfuge. It's like dealing with the damn Nazis.
And one other thing that's of paramount importance: Who does she run
to when you two get into a fight? A girlfriend, a sister, her mother?
Whoever it is, know this: this person will be the one who convinces
her you're a jerk and that she should divorce you over this magic
crap. These two will develope strategies for manipulating you and in
the end causing your downfall. I conducted a major campaign of revnge
against my wifes friend over this, even hired a PI to get me all her
personal data (this was before the internet and you could do it
yourself). She will have unimaginable problems with the IRS till the
day she dies.
In closing I'm going to impart a strategy you may want to ponder and
employ to one extent or another. Place a clandestine listening device
and recorder on your phone, you can buy them from Radio Shack. In
privacy listen to the conversations she has with her friends. Don't
be surprised by what you hear. Your life with her may not be as black
and white as you had assumed. Tom Cruise up and divorced his
beautiful wife for no apparent reason. What really happened is that
he had his phone tapped and learned the gut-wrenching truth about his
marriage--she was getting ready to take him to the cleaners.
As the old saying goes: Your worst enemy is always a friend.
Sometimes it's closer than you think.
-Leary-
anony muzz azzole
wrote:
I have said this before, and I will say it again ....;
you know too much about too much for your own good , dude.
respect.
Azzole !
Ed Rhodes
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> I've been married and divorced twice, and the second one happened over
> my hobbies, magic being front and center. "It's either me or your
> g**damn books.!!!" My damn fine library is stil here and growing, she
> isn't.
>
> Marriage is a paradox; you think you want it until you have it. When
> you're young you associate marriage with happiness and completing your
> life. I was never so miserable in my entire life. So one day, in
> August 1991 something snapped in my melon. I woke up, sold the house,
> sold both cars, cleaned out the bank account, quit my respectabe 50k
> job, divorced my bitchy old lady, and have since lead the most
> peacful, solitary, HAPPY, existence imaginable. Just me, my books,
> and all those tricks.
>
> I have that elusive answer you're looking for, it took me 10 years to
> fully comprehend it. I've exmined the lives of other men with hobbies
> and passions and have drawn the following conclusion:
>
> Women see mens hobbies as _threats_. In her mind she should be your
> sole source of happiness and passion. If you spend one dollar or
> devote one minute to anything else that makes you happy other than
> her, she loaths this other interest of yours. NOTHING causes more
> internal rage inside her head than for you to smile and find happiness
> and enjoyent in something else...in this case magic.
And yet, it is my wife who pushes me to go to meetings and purchase magic
items. We've been married twenty-five+ years and we support each others
madnesses! (Her's are Disney, Pikachu and Broadway)
cianuro
Ed,
You are a very luck man. I hope you realise that.
cianuro
"Ed Rhodes" <edward....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Choronzon
"cianuro" <dda...@remove.your.pants.eircom.net> wrote in message
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logical and more creative? My wife sees through about 90% of TV magic and is
very good at coming up with methods of achieving stuff.
Just my 2 cents worth
Choronzon
Mitch Leary
25 years?!?! You should get some kind of award. I trade up every
five years at the latest. Maybe she wants to get you out of the house
for a reason...so she can play with her favorite toy you don't know
about?
It is possible to wear a woman down year after year. But they don't
usually stick around for the lifetime achievment award, not the girls
these days. Marriage means nothing to most woman anymore, they see it
as a glorified date, and if things don't work out they have nothing to
lose. You on the other hand, have everything to lose. Heres a
million dollar tip from the Leary Institute of Higher Learning:
Don't accumulate anything of value until about ten years into the
marriage after you find out if she's going to stick around or not.
And always, ALWAYS, sock away a little private bank account in case
she does leave and take everything. This way you can go rent an
apartment, maintain your car payment, and what-not, and not find
yourself in the local homeless shelter. There's nothing worse than
reading Goldstein's Violet Book of Mentalism by the light of a Zippo
lighter in a sleeping bag on Christmas Eve surrounded by stinkin bums.
-Leary-
Aaron Fagan
She would say "When ever youa re performing and I am there you treat me like
I dont exists!!" Maybe because shes seen it so many times and her false
interest in what I am doing is extremely noticable?
It really came down to her feeling that my cards are more important to me
then she ever was. This of course wasnt true at all, even though in a way it
was.
What ever, she turned out to be a dirty *&$#*&% @*&$)%(%&# anyways!
-Aaron
Mitch Leary
25 years?!?! You should get some kind of award. I trade up every
The Bear
I've never found that women hate magic.
What many hate is their "significant other" being a show off.
Also, many of us (myself included) have gone through the stage where we
learned and performed to demonstrate that we were smarter than the
people around us. Now, that was never the *only* reason why we
performed, but let's admit it, at least some of us got into the art to
stroke our egos.
Finally, women want some commitment of time and attention, just as any
other serious, full-time friend would. When we spend all our time
talking, reading, and practicing magic, we are taking that time away
from them. Compulsive behavior, such as a *need* to attend our magic
club meetings, no matter what, tells our girlfriends and wives that they
are not the first priority. They take second place behind a deck of
cards, and some old books. That's hard on them, and therefore hard on
the relationship.
Will Tingle
<edward....@verizon.net> writes
>And yet, it is my wife who pushes me to go to meetings and purchase magic
>items. We've been married twenty-five+ years and we support each others
>madnesses! (Her's are Disney, Pikachu and Broadway)
Guilt alleviation; she's wasting the family money on crap, she feels
better about it if you do the same.
--
Will Tingle
--
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
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"I have always made sure that the instructions were quite incomprehensible."
-Mark Lewis; author of "the long and short of it"
EdwardK908
couples property and then collect a lifelong stipend either as alimony or child
support (child support by the way is paid to the woman who can spend it as she
pleases). Your upcoming divorce (and believe me if your hobbies are a problem
for her you will be getting a divorce. No ifs, ands, or buts), will include a
total dissapearance of all money and bank accounts will be empty, you will be
required to pay support and pay your wife's lawyer bills. valuable property and
personal treasures will be hidden, any guns will be "in a safe place" and you
will be served a restraining order for alleged violence. (The restraining order
will mean you cannot ever get your guns back or obtain any others).
You will be surprised at the complaints your wife will come up with. She can
get transcripts from the latest daytime TV talk shows and will charge you with
every form of violence, sexuall perversion and attrocity that she has seen on
television for the last twenty years.
All this crap is standard lawyer advise to women. The goal is to get money and
convince the woman that she deserves all of what you have and more. A judge
will hear five trailer trash women recite the same garbage and act outraged and
shocked every time, the judges peers, (other lawyers), will be granted return
court engagements which you will be required to pay for.
You will be portrayed as a violent "emotionally abusive" cheating, adulterer
pig. Yes...you my freind will be reported as acting mentally unstable..How many
decks of cards do you have hidden?..What are the balls and balloons for?..You
put what up your nose!!!..You think you can read minds!!!Handcuffs, needle
through your arm!
Ask yourself. What is my mother in law like? The wife's sisters? Her fat
ugly freind? The guy down the road that was so nice to help her with the,...?
Then take appropriate action. If you live a happy long life with the woman you
love good for you, you were lucky. But the odds are against this, no matter how
nice you are or what the little woman says.
Free from most of my materialistic possesions.
Ed
Charles "Stretch" Ledford
to comment on whether they enjoy performing for males or females more?
--
Charles "Stretch" Ledford
STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY
"North America and the Entire World"
http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com
Jkawashima
This topic has reared its head before, and likely will again. It's a chronic
issue in magic, like the issue of disclaimers in mentalism or the use of card
flourishes. I recall Mark Ghia once opined that the difference between men and
women in magic was related to the age at which we initially get interested in
magic. A much more detailed analysis was once posted by Jane G. Richmond, who
pointed out that modern magic's origins (and indeed perhaps its ancient
history) favored male magicians. John LeBlanc once referred to a conversation
between Max Maven and the late Gary Ouellet, where Max Maven reminded Gary that
magic is a "power thing," and, until relatively recently, women were not
encouraged to be part of the "power sphere."
I won't presume to correct these theories (I think they're right) or to expand
on them (I'm not qualified and I think it'd be boring). I do note that this
thread seems to address two issues: (1) the rarity of women magi and (2) the
hostility of wives/girlfriends to magic.
Regarding both issues, I can and will speak only from personal experience. I
personally got into magic because I thought it'd help me get dates. Really. I
was interested in it as a kid, and read every library book on the topic, but I
didn't pick up a deck of cards again until college. When I did, it was because
I'd seen a guy impressing women with two card tricks he'd do over and over (two
versions of cutting to aces, one after the other; first with the classic
criss-cross cut force and second using the three-under-and-three-across). I
thought, "If this guy could impress chicks with THOSE lame tricks, what could
*I* do with GOOD tricks?"
Long story short, I didn't get any dates with magic (I've posted on that issue,
too). But I stuck with it, because it was a way for me to define myself during
those re-formative years and, yes, because it was a way to show off. Jack
Ferro of Tannen's told me, when I got started, that he likened magic to a hobby
you go crazy over to keep from going crazy in general. He also told me a story
about how he'd wanted to see a neighborhood philatelist's famous collection,
only to learn it was in a deposit box. "What good is a hobby that no one could
see?" he'd ask.
So yes, I think magic attracts show-offs, and men in our society tend to want
to show off more than women. We may stick with magic for any number of
reasons, but without an initial attraction to the hobby, there can be no
pursuant obsession therewith.
As for the second issue, my own wife has frequently told me how much she hates
it when I perform at a party and pay no attention to her. And she isn't too
keen on my spending boocoo bux on gimmickry. But she understands that this is
my passion, and indulges me as long as there's quid pro quo. In other words, I
may do one or two tricks at a party, but I don't make myself the center of
attention, and I make sure to pay a lot of attention to her as well. This is
just consideration and good relationship management.
And to add to The Bear's post, I think part of the problem is that, when you
perform, you are not only ignoring your woman, you are showing off for other
women. While it probably won't land you any dates (speaking again from
personal experience), it is nonetheless seen by your mate as preening or,
worse, flirting, right in front of her. Open flirtation in front of your date
is so supremely inconsiderate that even the appearance of doing so can be
horribly insulting. Basically, if it looks like you're flirting, that's as bad
as flirting. And performing sponge balls looks like flirting (really, it's
tactile, intimate and gets exactly the kind of response she DOESN'T want to see
you get from other women).
Oh yes, the wife certainly doesn't get annoyed if I'm the center of attention
when she's not around, so I still occasionally take gigs doing walkaround and
table-hopping, just to keep the ego satisfied and to stay in practice. Tom
Mullica once said that all the best magicians, without exception, are the ones
who perform all the time.
I've also curbed my spending precipitously over the past few years, though it's
primarily because I've gotten so very interested in mentalism (a phase I go
through every five to six years) which requires very little by way of expensive
props and materials. It does require a great deal of thought, planning and
practice, which I suspect are the aspects of magic many of us enjoy the most.
By the way, a friend of mine was a non-practicing lawyer and full time
magician, whose wife, another lawyer, got together with him hoping he'd grow
out of magic and get back into law. Instead, he's still a magican, and she's
now opened a ballet academy (*her* passion). They're both happier for it.
So I guess what I've learned from all this is:
(1) we often get into magic to show off, although that's rarely a reason we
stick with it
(2) we stick with magic because we are compelled to do so, not because we
stubbornly believe it will someday get us laid
(3) women who insist we should quit magic for their sakes don't deserve
*anything* being done for their sakes (what'll it be next, after all?)
(4) women who tolerate our obsession should be appreciated, and we must
demonstrate our appreciation - it's simple courtesy
(5) women don't hate magic, they hate being ignored by their men
(6) if you're not a mentalist, you may still be able to cut down on spending
cash on magic by spending more time reading the books you have and playing with
the props you've bought and performing and thinking about magic - you may find,
as I have, that there really aren't all that many tricks you truly LOVE
performing, and that the few you DO love you'll perform all the time. Wasn't
it Al Goshman who distinguished an amateur (who performs different trick for
the same audience) from professionals (who perform the same tricks for
different audiences)? I'm no pro, but I sure to love to perform Psychokinetic
Touches, Spoon Bending, Sylvia's Rising Tarot Cards and Acidus Novus.
Magically yours,
Jim Kawashima
Jkawashima
to comment on whether they enjoy performing for males or females more? >>
To comment on Charles' question, I'll say this:
There are certain tricks I prefer to perform for men, and others for women.
Still others I perform mainly for kids.
For men, I'll perform money magic. While I'm mainly a mentalist, I still
perform the Perfect Pen routine (it's the perfect size for the Johnson Products
gimmick, by the way). I also perform the bill switch (my rationale is this: I
explain why U.S. money was changed, because bills used to look too much alike,
and it was too easy to make a $1 bill look like another kind of bill, say, 100
times more valuable. Now I can't leave it this way 'cause that'd be a federal
offense, but if you follow my folds exactly, you might, MIGHT find the C-note
hidden in the one. Just don't tell 'em who showed it to ya' - needless to say,
this requires an OLD version $100 bill).
Also, I've noticed that men react more strongly to my card tricks, perhaps
because so many of them are gambling-themed. In particular, I enjoy peforming
Sanvert's Royal Travellers (an invisible palm routine in which the four aces
become a royal flush) and Darwin Ortiz's 'The Cross" from _Cardshark_ (where a
supposed demonstration in shuffle control ends with a truly shocking
transposition).
For women, spoon bending and PK Time, effects that happen in their hands. Also
my handling of Sylvia's Rising Cards and the first part of my DieCipher
routine, because effects like those incorporate short cold readings, which I
also prefer to do for/on women.
For kids, I'll perform sponge rabbits (I use 3D rabbits now, but formerly
performed Daryl's routine with the EZ Magic Peter Rabbit set). Adults, I've
noticed, react more strongly to this effect when it's performed for their
kids.
I'll admit, grudglingly and with a little guilt, that overall I prefer
performing for the ladies ... a LITTLE. However, I continually remind myself
that my goal is to maximize the reaction I get from whoever my audience happens
to be.
Magically yours,
Jim Kawashima
Ed Rhodes
>
> Ed,
> You are a very luck man. I hope you realise that.
>
> cianuro
I do, thank you. It's kinda sad that yours was just about the only positive
reply.
Ed Rhodes
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> In message <GYeib.4222$fv4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, Ed Rhodes
> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
> >And yet, it is my wife who pushes me to go to meetings and purchase magic
> >items. We've been married twenty-five+ years and we support each others
> >madnesses! (Her's are Disney, Pikachu and Broadway)
>
> Guilt alleviation; she's wasting the family money on crap, she feels
> better about it if you do the same.
Very sad attitude!
Ed Rhodes
Nah, I'd know. The four kids can't keep a secret! And what happens when they
start trading [you] up for a "better model?"
>
> It is possible to wear a woman down year after year. But they don't
> usually stick around for the lifetime achievment award, not the girls
> these days. Marriage means nothing to most woman anymore, they see it
> as a glorified date, and if things don't work out they have nothing to
> lose. You on the other hand, have everything to lose. Heres a
> million dollar tip from the Leary Institute of Higher Learning:
>
> Don't accumulate anything of value until about ten years into the
> marriage after you find out if she's going to stick around or not.
Twenty-five years and I've still managed to avoid accumulating anything of
"value." We are in ourselves the most valuable things we have.
Ed Rhodes
news:20031013115635...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> The sad fact is that divorce laws favor the womans right to take away the
> couples property and then collect a lifelong stipend either as alimony or
child
> support (child support by the way is paid to the woman who can spend it as
she
> pleases).
Probably because divorce laws recognize that a man has a better ability to
come out of a divorce with an income than a woman who's spent the last
mumblty-mumble years trying to run a house.
>Your upcoming divorce (and believe me if your hobbies are a problem
> for her you will be getting a divorce. No ifs, ands, or buts), will
include a
> total dissapearance of all money and bank accounts will be empty, you will
be
> required to pay support and pay your wife's lawyer bills. valuable
property and
> personal treasures will be hidden, any guns will be "in a safe place" and
you
> will be served a restraining order for alleged violence. (The restraining
order
> will mean you cannot ever get your guns back or obtain any others).
I guess I should be happy my hobbies aren't bothering her nor hers me!
> Ask yourself. What is my mother in law like? The wife's sisters?
My mother in law is a sweet woman. My wife has no sisters.
> Then take appropriate action. If you live a happy long life with the woman
you
> love good for you, you were lucky. But the odds are against this, no
matter how
> nice you are or what the little woman says.
I think, going in with an attitude like this, you're never going to be
"lucky!"
cianuro
NO this was the response I was looking for!
Jim, I think you have summed it up 100% for me and I agree with you fully.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this wonderful response.
cianuro
"Jkawashima" <jkawa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bizzaro
intrested for different reasons. It's just like music. Some people like rap,
some people like country. Some people like magic. Some don't. Most males toy
with magic at a young age. Therefore they have it in their memory, thus they
like it. Females don't have that drive. Some do, but it's more rare than it
should be. Usually the people who don't like magic is because of some
numbnut who can't do it right or being a sleeze leaving a bad impression on
them.
Everyone likes magic.. or they don't. If they don't ask yerself..is it yer
fault?
--
Bizzaro.
James Robinson
Fire Cat Studios
www.smappdooda.com
Will Tingle
>"Will Tingle" <Wi...@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:UZ$dVWBInmi$Ew...@willsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk...
>> In message <GYeib.4222$fv4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, Ed Rhodes
>> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
>> >And yet, it is my wife who pushes me to go to meetings and purchase magic
>> >items. We've been married twenty-five+ years and we support each others
>> >madnesses! (Her's are Disney, Pikachu and Broadway)
>>
>> Guilt alleviation; she's wasting the family money on crap, she feels
>> better about it if you do the same.
>
>Very sad attitude!
and only about 50% serious.
Goddammit I HATE Disney!!!
Ed Rhodes
Actually, I take that back. I think yours was the [only] positive reply!
Ed Rhodes
> In message <KbHib.6853$fv4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, Ed Rhodes
> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
> >"Will Tingle" <Wi...@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> >news:UZ$dVWBInmi$Ew...@willsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk...
> >> In message <GYeib.4222$fv4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, Ed Rhodes
> >> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
> >> >And yet, it is my wife who pushes me to go to meetings and purchase
magic
> >> >items. We've been married twenty-five+ years and we support each
others
> >> >madnesses! (Her's are Disney, Pikachu and Broadway)
> >>
> >> Guilt alleviation; she's wasting the family money on crap, she feels
> >> better about it if you do the same.
> >
> >Very sad attitude!
>
> and only about 50% serious.
>
> Goddammit I HATE Disney!!!
I don't think I hate any general group to that degree. Some Disney sucks,
some Disney is just mediocre and some is a lot of fun.
Ed Rhodes
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> Ok I don't know who you are performing for but I find that both are
> intrested for different reasons. It's just like music. Some people like
rap,
> some people like country. Some people like magic. Some don't. Most males
toy
> with magic at a young age. Therefore they have it in their memory, thus
they
> like it. Females don't have that drive. Some do, but it's more rare than
it
> should be. Usually the people who don't like magic is because of some
> numbnut who can't do it right or being a sleeze leaving a bad impression
on
> them.
I always thought women were cool towards magic because they weren't socially
trained to play with toys. Most toys for women (in fact, untill a few years
ago [all] toys for women) were actually training mechanisms toward housework
or personal glamour.
Will Tingle
<edward....@verizon.net> writes
>I always thought women were cool towards magic because they weren't socially
>trained to play with toys. Most toys for women (in fact, untill a few years
>ago [all] toys for women) were actually training mechanisms toward housework
>or personal glamour.
Maybe you should change that to "toys for girls" - "toys for women"
implies something _very_ different (to me anyway...)
J Goldman
Well, I was just going to lurk, but you made me feel so guilty.
My wife has been very supportive of most of my hobbies, including the
ones she's not interested in. I brew beer, I play in a band, and I do
magic. While none of those are things she cares about and they all
involve me hanging out with questionable people;-), she sees it as a
way for me to keep sane and nice to be around. In much the same
manner, I let her go to new age fairs, or hiking, etc.
I have a theory about this, called the Theory of Reasonable Expectations.
I've known a lot of guys who start dating someone and quit all of their
normal life out: no more drinking with the guys, no poker, etc - every
moment is with their new love. Then, once they get married (or at least
settled), they want to add some of that stuff back in. But now they've
set a reasonable expectation that they have no outside interests. Major
stress!
Jester
Troy
words of "wisdom" penned by Mitch Leary <mitchel...@yahoo.com> in message news:6d258eab.03101...@posting.google.com:
> 25 years?!?! You should get some kind of award.
My parents have been married almost 50 years.
--
Troy
Ed Rhodes
news:3f8c0dd3$1...@usenet01.boi.hp.com...
On a bizarre note, yesterday's Dr. Phil show had couples whose interests
were causing strife in the marriage. One played golf every Sunday and his
wife was of the impression that she was being neglected for the clubs.
Another man had cats and his wife felt he was spoiling them. (In fact, she
was allergic and wanted him to get rid of them.)
So it's not just magic, people. I guess some of us are "lucky!"
Ed Rhodes
> In message <7LSib.7926$fv4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>, Ed Rhodes
> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
> >I always thought women were cool towards magic because they weren't
socially
> >trained to play with toys. Most toys for women (in fact, untill a few
years
> >ago [all] toys for women) were actually training mechanisms toward
housework
> >or personal glamour.
>
> Maybe you should change that to "toys for girls" - "toys for women"
> implies something _very_ different (to me anyway...)
That's certainly a valid point. I remember watching toy commercials and
realizing that all the girls commercials had to do with housework or social
grooming. (The Six Million Dollar Man doll had a "Bionic Tune Up Center" -
The Bionic Woman doll had a "Bionic Beauty Salon")
I felt the ultimate was when Mattel discovered that girls were playing with
the He-Man line of toys so they decided to spin off a special line for girls
(She-Ra) all of a sudden everything was pink and the ad campaigns stressed
"brushing their long beautiful hair!"
Ivanovich
As a professinal magician with more than two decades of experience, I
think that I can say that WOMEN DON'T HATE MAGIC!
They hate MAGICIANS. ;-)
Ivanovich
mrgoat
> (I know that there are many female magicians out there, so this excludes
> you)
both of them?
>
> Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
> than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a LOT
> more effective on men than women.
I find ENTIRELY the opposite to be true. Maybe your presentation is
shit or you are ugly and offensive?
>
> Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
> significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over it I
> have lost count. How do you deal with it?
Mine all love magic.
>
> What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
> imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but maybe
> because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
> logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think for it
> to effect them in the way it effects males.
>
Hahaha. I see your problem. Women tend not to go for misogynists in this
day and age.
mrgoat
> Personally, I would much rather perform magic for wimmin. Anyone care
> to comment on whether they enjoy performing for males or females more?
I would ALWAYS pick a woman to do a trick on given a choice at a table.
ALWAYS
Not a second's hesitation
Electric Angel
than men. I enjoy their attention. Read what you want into that.
When I was in college, I supplemented my income by performing magic on Electric
Avenue, which was a strip of highly concentrated bars in Calgary. I was a busker
amidst all those guitar players. People would come out of bars, drunk as lords,
and ask to see some magic. The women actually tipped more than the men.
While I do enjoy performing for men, I find that some of them see me as a
threat. One occasion stands out particularly in my mind. I was hired to do
close-up magic at a nightclub. I approached one table where one man and about
five women were sitting. Apparently, the guy fancied himself a gangster or
something like that. While I performed my routine, he kept his eyes locked on
mine. There was nothing but pure hate in them. He wanted all his women to give
him 100 per cent of their attention and he wasn't about to tolerate anything
less.
I didn't want to make a scene so I finished the trick quickly and excused
myself. The guy didn't follow me, but he did give me "the finger" at least twice
that evening while I was performing for other tables.
cianuro wrote:
> (I know that there are many female magicians out there, so this excludes
> you)
>
> Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
> than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a LOT
> more effective on men than women.
>
> Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
> significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over it I
> have lost count. How do you deal with it?
>
> What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
> imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but maybe
> because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
> logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think for it
> to effect them in the way it effects males.
>
> I would love to hear any other opinions on this.
>
> cianuro
--
Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't
help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those
flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey
Mark Lewis
> I make no bones of the fact that I've always enjoyed performing for women more
> than men. I enjoy their attention. Read what you want into that.
>
> When I was in college, I supplemented my income by performing magic on Electric
> Avenue, which was a strip of highly concentrated bars in Calgary. I was a busker
> amidst all those guitar players. People would come out of bars, drunk as lords,
> and ask to see some magic. The women actually tipped more than the men.
>
> While I do enjoy performing for men, I find that some of them see me as a
> threat. One occasion stands out particularly in my mind. I was hired to do
> close-up magic at a nightclub. I approached one table where one man and about
> five women were sitting. Apparently, the guy fancied himself a gangster or
> something like that. While I performed my routine, he kept his eyes locked on
> mine. There was nothing but pure hate in them. He wanted all his women to give
> him 100 per cent of their attention and he wasn't about to tolerate anything
> less.
>
> I didn't want to make a scene so I finished the trick quickly and excused
> myself. The guy didn't follow me, but he did give me "the finger" at least twice
> that evening while I was performing for other tables.
>
>
matter.
Just trying to be helpful, that's all.
I see you come from Calgary. I bet this is Paul Alberstat.
If you aren't then can you tell us if he is any good? I saw him work
but couldn't judge him properly on account that the smell of all that
cologne distracted me somewhat.
Mark Lewis
> <edward....@verizon.net> writes
> >I always thought women were cool towards magic because they weren't socially
> >trained to play with toys. Most toys for women (in fact, untill a few years
> >ago [all] toys for women) were actually training mechanisms toward housework
> >or personal glamour.
>
> Maybe you should change that to "toys for girls" - "toys for women"
> implies something _very_ different (to me anyway...)
> --
> Will Tingle
> --
> Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
I think the reason that women don't like magic is that a goodly
portion of them have seen this idiot Tingle perform.
Electric Angel
Mark Lewis wrote:
> Electric Angel <electr...@sympatico.caNOSPAM> wrote in message news:<3F90A0B6...@sympatico.caNOSPAM>...
> > I make no bones of the fact that I've always enjoyed performing for women more
> > than men. I enjoy their attention. Read what you want into that.
> >
> > When I was in college, I supplemented my income by performing magic on Electric
> > Avenue, which was a strip of highly concentrated bars in Calgary. I was a busker
> > amidst all those guitar players. People would come out of bars, drunk as lords,
> > and ask to see some magic. The women actually tipped more than the men.
> >
> > While I do enjoy performing for men, I find that some of them see me as a
> > threat. One occasion stands out particularly in my mind. I was hired to do
> > close-up magic at a nightclub. I approached one table where one man and about
> > five women were sitting. Apparently, the guy fancied himself a gangster or
> > something like that. While I performed my routine, he kept his eyes locked on
> > mine. There was nothing but pure hate in them. He wanted all his women to give
> > him 100 per cent of their attention and he wasn't about to tolerate anything
> > less.
> >
> > I didn't want to make a scene so I finished the trick quickly and excused
> > myself. The guy didn't follow me, but he did give me "the finger" at least twice
> > that evening while I was performing for other tables.
> >
> >
> Perhaps you weren't any good? This may have had an influence on the
> matter.
> Just trying to be helpful, that's all.
It's very likely that I wasn't any good. At the time, I was a young and foolish magician who made two critical
mistakes:
1) I was arrogant and I adopted this arrogance into my performing persona. As such, I believed that my "miracles"
made me "better than non-magicians." It was not an art or a craft I could use to instill wonder.
2) I relied more on gimmicks (ie invisible deck) than sleights and developing my own routines.
I changed these habits over time. What caused me to change? Life experience, some essays be Rene Lavand, and a
lecture or two from Paul Albertstat.
>
> I see you come from Calgary. I bet this is Paul Alberstat.
> If you aren't then can you tell us if he is any good? I saw him work
> but couldn't judge him properly on account that the smell of all that
> cologne distracted me somewhat.
I don't know about the cologne, but I can certainly vouch for Paul Albertstat's talent. When I joined the Society of
Young Magicians at the tender age of 14, Paul was one of my teachers. He was there week after week teaching us stuff
and giving us suggestions on how to improve our performance.
I'm 30 now. I've been performing magic for half of my life. In that time, I've met hundreds of professional
magicians. Speaking in all honesty, I can tell you, Mark, that Paul is the best magician I've ever met. My respect
for him as a magician is so complete that I don't even like referring to myself as a magician when I compare myself
to him.
Whenever I show Paul an effect, he not only knows the exact version I did ("that's the Eugene Burger handling of "Out
of this world") he also knows at least six other variations. Plus, he'll always give me suggestions in a
non-threatening ego-killing manner. Why does he do this? It's because he cares about the craft and he wants to see
magicians excel. Over the years, Paul has saved me a lot of money by telling me not to buy stupid tricks (Oricalcum)
when I could easily learn the methods in the Tarbell Course in Magic. Whenever I have a magic related question, I
know I can count on Paul to give me an honest answer and sage advice.
Capiche?
Electric Angel
Mark Lewis wrote:
--
lensman1955
> than men. I enjoy their attention. Read what you want into that.
>
> When I was in college, I supplemented my income by performing magic on Electric
> Avenue, which was a strip of highly concentrated bars in Calgary. I was a busker
> amidst all those guitar players. People would come out of bars, drunk as lords,
> and ask to see some magic. The women actually tipped more than the men.
(Yay! I can post on Google again! Doesn't the Trojan Qhost SUCK!?)
I think the basic theme of this thread has been that women hate magic
when it's their "significant other" spending time with cards and coins
instead of with her or with things [she] wants done.
I'm reminded of a line from "A Chorus Line" where the director's
girlfriend comes back looking for a job after bombing out in
California. (Paraphrasing)
GIRL: You don't have to tell me. I know how important this is. You
have to live and breathe theatre 24 hours a day.
DIRECTOR: As long as I spend an equal 24 hours a day with you.
GIRL: Exactly!
DIRECTOR: And how am I supposed to do that?
GIRL: If I knew that, you'd be up here asking [me] for a job!
Mitch Leary
> (I know that there are many female magicians out there, so this excludes
> you)
>
> Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
> than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a LOT
> more effective on men than women.
>
> Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
> significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over it I
> have lost count. How do you deal with it?
>
> What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
> imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but maybe
> because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
> logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think for it
> to effect them in the way it effects males.
>
>
> I would love to hear any other opinions on this.
>
> cianuro
Illusions by their vary nature are misogynistic (women hating). They
slice, dice, mutilate, burn, distort, stretch, crush, stab, skewer,
decapitate, subdivide, and otherwise torture the hell out
of...females.
Says a lot about the majority of people who perform these
illusions...males.
-Leary-
Mark Lewis
> And by the way, do you prefer Morrisseys or Browser's Den?
>
>
It depends upon what mood the Browsers Den shopkeeper is in.
I hope Paul Pacific sees your question and posts his answer. I expect
it will be highly amusing.
Not that I wish to cause trouble, of course.
Mark Lewis
>
> I don't know about the cologne, but I can certainly vouch for Paul Albertstat's talent. When I joined the Society of
> Young Magicians at the tender age of 14, Paul was one of my teachers. He was there week after week teaching us stuff
> and giving us suggestions on how to improve our performance.
>
> I'm 30 now. I've been performing magic for half of my life. In that time, I've met hundreds of professional
> magicians. Speaking in all honesty, I can tell you, Mark, that Paul is the best magician I've ever met. My respect
> for him as a magician is so complete that I don't even like referring to myself as a magician when I compare myself
> to him.
>
> Whenever I show Paul an effect, he not only knows the exact version I did ("that's the Eugene Burger handling of "Out
> of this world") he also knows at least six other variations. Plus, he'll always give me suggestions in a
> non-threatening ego-killing manner. Why does he do this? It's because he cares about the craft and he wants to see
> magicians excel. Over the years, Paul has saved me a lot of money by telling me not to buy stupid tricks (Oricalcum)
> when I could easily learn the methods in the Tarbell Course in Magic. Whenever I have a magic related question, I
> know I can count on Paul to give me an honest answer and sage advice.
>
> Capiche?
I knew this was Alberstat.
Mark Lewis
> I think the basic theme of this thread has been that women hate magic
>
I have never understood this supposed conventional wisdom. I have
found that women react even BETTER than men do to magic.
Try out the sponge balls if you don't believe me.
Even card tricks.
They laugh easier, seem to have more fun and are generally a better
audience.
Regarding the "threat" to the male companion for some reason which I
can't possibly fathom I never have that problem.
However, I suppose I must concede that magicians that look like Greek
Gods or something out of an oil painting would conceivably have this
difficulty.
The solution appears to me to be perfectly obvious. Charm the man
first. Errr...well perhaps not too much. But you get the idea.
Generally speaking if you keep the woman happy on his behalf he will
be very happy with you.
I have had men bring their girl friends over to me asking me to show
them some magic. They are using me to impress the girl.
Of course I don't look like an oil painting.
Electric Angel
Mark Lewis wrote:
>
> I knew this was Alberstat.
'Fraid you're wrong there, Sparky. This is Warburton.
Will Tingle
Leary <mitchel...@yahoo.com> writes
>Illusions by their vary nature are misogynistic (women hating). They
>slice, dice, mutilate, burn, distort, stretch, crush, stab, skewer,
>decapitate, subdivide, and otherwise torture the hell out
>of...females.
It always amazes me how few people treat these acts with the reverence
they deserve, take the zig-zag illusion; a women is incinerated in a box
just big enough for her to stand in, then 2 blades are thrust through
her body, and her lower abdomen is removed - and SHE'S SMILING!!! WTF?
We desperately need more episodes of "The secret cabaret" - or even
repeats of the old ones - Simon Drake was someone who knew how to cut
someone in half...
--
Will Tingle
--
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
lensman1955
> >
> > I think the basic theme of this thread has been that women hate magic
> >
>
> I have never understood this supposed conventional wisdom. I have
> found that women react even BETTER than men do to magic.
> Try out the sponge balls if you don't believe me.
> Even card tricks.
> They laugh easier, seem to have more fun and are generally a better
> audience.
Granted. If you'd kept the [entire] sentence, you would have seen I
ment women hate competing for their significant other's attention when
said SO has magic for a profession or hobby.
Mark Lewis
> Mark Lewis wrote:
>
> >
> > I knew this was Alberstat.
>
> 'Fraid you're wrong there, Sparky. This is Warburton.
Exactly. Paul Warburton Alberstat.
You can't fool me.
The cologne is coming down through the computer.
What I want to know is who this Hugh D Liver person is. A good while
ago (maybe a year or so) he posted a review of the Alberstat show.
Perhaps if you do a google search of alt.magic you may find it. In
fact I may go and find it myself in a moment.
Who do you think he may be?
Electric Angel
Mark Lewis wrote:
--
Will Tingle
<electr...@sympatico.caNOSPAM> writes
>Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be
>skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/carey.htm
mrgoat
>In much the same
> manner, I let her go to new age fairs, or hiking, etc.
you *let* her?
how big of you
Electric Angel
Interesting site, though I'd hardly call John Denver a pop singer.
Will Tingle wrote:
--
Will Tingle is a very noble man. -- Electric Angel
Will Tingle
>Will Tingle wrote:
>
>> In message <3F94A2BF...@sympatico.caNOSPAM>, Electric Angel
>> <electr...@sympatico.caNOSPAM> writes
>> >Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the
>> >world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be
>> >skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff.
>> >-- Mariah Carey
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/quotes/carey.htm
>Hey, thanks for this.
NP - I loved the quote, and desperately wanted it to be true - so I went
and checked - alas it was not to be...
>I have changed my sig line to show my appreciation.
So I see - classy move ;-)
You'll forgive I hope, if I do not return the compliment - I enjoy my
pompous-ass baiting sig too much to loose it...[1]
>
>
>--
>Will Tingle is a very noble man. -- Electric Angel
>
>
[1] I'm sure Lewis will feel the need to respond: On the off chance he
happens to say something interesting[2] (unlikely I know) can someone
who hasn't kill-filed him yet[3] please re-post his words, that I may
scoff at them[4].
[2] As opposed to the usual "I am the great Mark Lewis, author of the
finest pamphlet ever written on the svengali - you MUST show them all to
be the same YOU MUST, I am the great Mark Lewis, people from Yorkshire
are stupid, as are Irish and Canadians, I am the great Mark Lewis, the
screaming witch is fat, I am the great Mark Lewis - psychic Reverend,
buy my pamphlet" garbage...
[3] That is to say, a newbie, or someone who hasn't figured out how
killfile works - I think they're the only 2 groups of people who EVER
see Lewis' words.
[4] Remember _IF_ he says something interesting.
anony muzz azzole
<anon...@anonymousazzole.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:21:15 +0100, "cianuro"
><dda...@remove.your.pants.eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>(I know that there are many female magicians out there, so this excludes
>>you)
>>
>>Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
>>than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a LOT
>>more effective on men than women.
>>
>>Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
>>significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over it I
>>have lost count. How do you deal with it?
>>
>>What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
>>imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but maybe
>>because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
>>logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think for it
>>to effect them in the way it effects males.
>>
>>
>>I would love to hear any other opinions on this.
>>
>>cianuro
>>
>>
>
>
>
>ohhhhh that's a dodgy topic to have started old son.
>
>methinks you'd best get your hard hat on and hit the bunkers before
>the fall out starts to rain on you.. lol
wow... was I right or what .. have you seen the replies to this
topic, never has there been so many postings by so many people on a
single topic since.... errmm .. ummmm .. since the days of the
balloon penis topic .. ..
Ever the Azzole !!
Ed Rhodes
news:151020031045517227%crea...@blacklagoon.org...
Especially the ones they woke up married to ;-)
Ed Rhodes
> Hey, thanks for this. I have changed my sig line to show my appreciation.
>
> Interesting site, though I'd hardly call John Denver a pop singer.
I love browsing through the Snopes page. What would you consider John Denver
if not a pop singer?
J Goldman
"mrgoat" <jh...@oiyu.oiu> wrote in message
news:1g353hi.wwjs7e15rt9e9N%jh...@oiyu.oiu...
Yeah, I'm a hell of a guy. I figure that keeping her chained up all the
time is just
a bit much: it might hinder my saintly self image.
Anyway, my point was that I let her do those things *without me*, just like
I
do a number of my hobbies without her.
Jester
Electric Angel
Ed Rhodes wrote:
I always considered him a country singer. Or a folk singer. When I think pop
music, I think Whitney Houston.
Mike
Will Tingle <Wi...@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>take the zig-zag illusion; a women is incinerated in a box
I don't recall anyone being burnt alive in the Zig Zag the Masked Magician
did ... :)
>We desperately need more episodes of "The secret cabaret" - or even
>repeats of the old ones - Simon Drake was someone who knew how to cut
>someone in half...
Why didn't Channel 4 take the opportunity to rerun some of these in their
Magic Month? I remember seeing those Secret Cabaret progs as a child, and
it was pretty freaky!
Come to think of it, wonder if Channel 5 would buy them up and show them ...
--
--------------------------------------+------------------------------------
Mike Brown: mjb[at]pootle.demon.co.uk | Music Project: www.mp3.com/poachers
http://www.pootle.demon.co.uk/ | << No Oil Painting >>
Troy
words of "wisdom" penned by Will Tingle <Wi...@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> in message news:IF9ayiAemal$Ew...@willsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk:
> [3] That is to say, a newbie, or someone who hasn't figured out how
> killfile works - I think they're the only 2 groups of people who EVER
> see Lewis' words.
Hey! I don't have anybody killfiled, and I'm neither a newbie nor someone
who hasn't figured out killfiles. Of course, my reason for doing so is
just because I don't believe in killfiles. The reason I don't believe in
killfiles is partially because it rarely works (due to quoted text), but
mostly because I'm just too lazy to drag the message to a filter and
it's easier to just mentally filter people.
--
Troy
Will Tingle
writes
>In article <xWnkWsIxc7k$Ew...@willsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk>,
>Will Tingle <Wi...@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>take the zig-zag illusion; a women is incinerated in a box
>
>I don't recall anyone being burnt alive in the Zig Zag the Masked Magician
>did ... :)
that would be because I meant to say "incarcerated", spelled it badly,
then hit "auto-correct" in a fleeting moment of stupidity...
>
>>We desperately need more episodes of "The secret cabaret" - or even
>>repeats of the old ones - Simon Drake was someone who knew how to cut
>>someone in half...
>
>Why didn't Channel 4 take the opportunity to rerun some of these in their
>Magic Month? I remember seeing those Secret Cabaret progs as a child, and
>it was pretty freaky!
>
>Come to think of it, wonder if Channel 5 would buy them up and show them ...
>
What little info there exists on TSC is available from the production
company here:
http://www.openmedia.co.uk/newpage12.htm
Who currently holds the TV rights I do not know, perhaps e-mail's should
go off to open-media, C4 and five...
cianuro
much and it has given me a lot to think about. Some of the opinions here are
very interesting and make a lot of sense. (Especially the whole "women dont
hate magic, they hate magicians") Thats my favourite.
So can anyone come up with a conclusion or will this thread run out of steam
only to be brought up in the future again by someone like me who does not
use google?
Thanks again.
cianuro
Mark Lewis
> I think you are Hugh D Liver and Mark Lewis, Albertstat. Come clean and quit pretending that other people are you.
>
> Mark Lewis wrote:
>
> > Electric Angel <electr...@sympatico.caNOSPAM> wrote in message news:<3F9386C7...@sympatico.caNOSPAM>...
> > > Mark Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I knew this was Alberstat.
> > >
> > > 'Fraid you're wrong there, Sparky. This is Warburton.
> >
> > Exactly. Paul Warburton Alberstat.
> > You can't fool me.
> > The cologne is coming down through the computer.
> >
> > What I want to know is who this Hugh D Liver person is. A good while
> > ago (maybe a year or so) he posted a review of the Alberstat show.
> > Perhaps if you do a google search of alt.magic you may find it. In
> > fact I may go and find it myself in a moment.
> >
> > Who do you think he may be?
Actually on this occasion I am entirely innocent. In fact I defended
Alberstat against Mr.D.Liver.
I only pretend to be other people on other groups that can kick me
out. Since I own alt.magic (I deposed that windbag from Australia, Ray
Haddad) nobody can kick me out so I always post in my real name here.
However, since the D.Liver days I have now got to know Paul a little
better and have found that he is easily agitated. This of course gives
me great delight and tempts me to stir him up.
Actually I have never seen him work. The cologne bit is from one of
his own press write ups.
I know a little bit about him though. He has an e-mail correspondant
that I cannot name who has neglected to tell Paul that he knows me.
Naturally I hear all the gossip.
Funnily enough by coincidence yesterday I met a rather famous magician
in the magic world who asked me if I knew anything about Alberstat. I
asked why and he said that he had heard bad reports about his act.
I have never seen it so I have no idea. I have a feeling that it is as
good as you say it is. He does seem to be knowledgable if a little
egotistical and excitable.
He should really learn humility. I have already offered to be a role
model in this regard. Sadly he has not taken me up on the offer.
I take all the bad reports about him with a pinch of salt. People in
the magic world do get jealous and have axes to grind. I also tend to
ignore good reports too. There are a lot of mutual admiration
societies prevalent in magic too.
I shall judge him when I really see him work.
If he is good then I can agitate Paul Pacific who gets irritated if he
hears that other mentalists are good. If he is not good I can irritate
Alberstat himself by commenting upon the matter.
I win either way.
Mop Krayz
> company here:
> http://www.openmedia.co.uk/newpage12.htm
> Who currently holds the TV rights I do not know, perhaps e-mail's should
> go off to open-media, C4 and five...
I emailed Open Media on con...@openmedia.co.uk to enquire wether
there might be any chances to release them on DVD. Who knows, if we
got Derren Brown and David Blaine on DVD....
Mark Lewis
By sheer coincidence I have been experiencing something for the last
few days which I think is relevant to this thread. I have been
performing at a trade show for the last few days in my usual brilliant
and wondrous manner.
However, this was a machinery show and there were virtually no women
attendees. I have done quite a few trade shows now and have not yet
come across this strange phenomena. It took me by surprise. I would
have fairly large crowds around and very rarely would a woman be in
the audience. Even then the woman would be an exhibitor, not an
attendee. Fully 70% of the shows were all men and the other 30% would
have had two women at most in the crowd. Actually only one woman in a
crowd of perhaps 35 was usual.
I discovered the difference in reaction was quite marked. I found it
much, much harder. Not as much laughter. Not as many gasps.
Perhaps it is a personal thing but I must say that I get much stronger
reactions if there are women present. Even the men seem to loosen up
when there are women in the crowd shrieking with laughter.
Even the supposed dictum that women do not like card tricks I have
found to be completely untrue.The actually exhibit stronger reactions.
Of course you have to do the right kind of trick but that should be a
common sense thing.
cianuro
magic, but when they have to live with it, its a different story. Probably
their short attention span or lack of imagination....
But that's a rewind on this thread.
;o)
cianuro
"Mark Lewis" <mar...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Ray [NOSPAM] Haddad
>Since I own alt.magic (I deposed that windbag from Australia, Ray
>Haddad) nobody can kick me out so I always post in my real name here.
Happily, no one has succeeded in deposing me. Even the horrendously prolific
Abraxas and Legion gave up and I remain standing tall.
Has anyone heard from Tilman lately? Or Pat Shanley? Or Burke? I didn't think
so. But, try as they may, I still post here.
Nice try though, Mark. Just remember one thing. You are only allowed to post
here because I allow it. Never forget that. It could signal your unhappy end.
Ray
Mark Lewis
Oh very well, you silly old windbag. I surrender. You can have
alt.magic back.
It is true that you cannot be defeated.
If you survived the battle of Trafalgar what chance have I got? And we
all know that you won the Boer war. As a matter of fact you are still
fighting it. Only this time it is spelt differently.
The names you have mentioned do seem to have disappeared. However, you
still haven't got rid of that goat fellow, Damien yet. As for Burke I
have indeed seen him on here recently. If he is the same Burke.
Of course Ray is an expert on Burkes since he sees one in the mirror
every day.
Still, when he is right he is right. He does indeed own alt.magic and
it was foolish of me to think I could deprive him of it.
EdwardK908
get a chuckle out of the portrayal of magicians.
Ed
Mark Lewis
I HAVE said soemthing interesting. This of course is a feat that
Tingle has never achieved in his entire short and unworthy life.
However my musings are far too important to be lost in this morass of
silly postings by silly people on an inconsequential subject. I have
used the word "inconsequential" as a code word. Tingle will not know
the meaning of it.He has not used his British education properly as
can be witnessed by his atrocious spelling.
He should know the meaning of inconsequential of course. Because he
is.
Nevertheless I have posted a separate thread devoted to him. No doubt
he will be informed by the other gormless wonders here.
It will be the nearest thing to fame that he will ever experience.
Jon
;)
"Mitch Leary" <mitchel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > (I know that there are many female magicians out there, so this excludes
> > you)
> >
> > Can anyone explain why women in general are FAR less interested in magic
> > than males are? I may be wrong here, but I have noticed that magic is a
LOT
> > more effective on men than women.
> >
> > Also, is anyone else close to being divorced/murdered/dumped by their
> > significant other because of magic? I have been in so many fights over
it I
> > have lost count. How do you deal with it?
> >
> > What is it about women that makes them hate magic so much? Lack of
> > imagination or wonder? Not trying to be sexist here in ANY way, but
maybe
> > because they do not think rationally anyway, the defiance of anything
> > logical or rational that magic causes is closer to the way they think
for it
> > to effect them in the way it effects males.
> >
> >
> > I would love to hear any other opinions on this.
> >
> > cianuro
>
> slice, dice, mutilate, burn, distort, stretch, crush, stab, skewer,
> decapitate, subdivide, and otherwise torture the hell out
> of...females.
>
> illusions...males.
>
>
> -Leary-